The Iraq Withdrawal Timetable – Update: Not The Kind Of Withdrawal The Dem’s Were Hoping For

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Iraq wants to set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq:

A deadline should be set for the withdrawal of U.S. and allied forces from Iraq, and the pullout could be done by 2011, an Iraqi government spokesman said Tuesday.

A deadline should be set for the withdrawal of U.S. and allied forces from Iraq, and the pullout could be done by 2011, an Iraqi government spokesman said Tuesday.

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But in Washington, State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos said U.S. negotiators are “looking at conditions, not calendars.”

“Two things we’ve made very clear from the beginning of the process — the first is that we’re going to deal as sovereign nations working towards an agreement that satisfies both of our needs, and secondly that we’re not going to be discussing individual parts of this negotiations during the negotiation process itself,” Gallegos said.

To which Harry Reid said:

“We have trained 700,000 Iraqi troops. We’ve spent almost a trillion dollars on Iraq. I agree with Malaki, I think we should have a timeline,” Reid said. “Let’s take off the training wheels and let Iraq handle their own affairs.”

Reid agreeing that a withdrawal from Iraq is a good thing? Get outta here…./sarcasm

Now back to reality. There is a huge difference between Democrats calling for withdrawal from Iraq during a period of time when Iraq was in shambles and a sovereign Iraq calling for withdrawal of American troops from their own country when their country is in the closest thing to a state of peace Iraq has seen in decades. Oh, there is still violence there, as there is in every American city, but their military has shown the world that they are becoming capable and ready to defend their own country on their own. Obviously they are not completely there yet as evidenced by Iraq calling for a withdrawal in 2 and half years…but they’re getting there. This 2 1/2 year timetable is proof positive that Maliki understands what a precipitous withdrawal could do to the country. Iran is licking its chops and while AQ is on the ropes, they are not completely defeated. Maliki saw what happened when the British pulled out of Basra too soon, its obvious he doesn’t want that to happen again.

Bush has said for years that our troops will stay until Iraq can stand on its own:

All our efforts are aimed at a clear goal: a free Iraq that can protect its people, support itself economically, and take charge of its own political affairs. No one wants to achieve this goal more than the Iraqis themselves. Those who say that the way to encourage further progress is to back off and force the Iraqis to fend for themselves are simply wrong. The Iraqis are a proud people who understand the enormity of the challenges they face and are anxious to meet them. But they know that they still need our help until they can stand by themselves. Our job in the period ahead is to stand with the Iraqi government as it makes tough choices and makes the transition to responsibility for its own security and its own destiny.

And in 2005:

some are calling for us to withdraw from Iraq on a fixed timetable, without regard to conditions on the ground. Recently, one Democratic leader came out in support of an artificial deadline for withdrawal, and said an immediate withdrawal of our troops would, “make the American people safer, our military stronger, and bring some stability to the region.” [ed. ex-Marine John Murtha] That’s the wrong policy for our government. Withdrawing on an artificial deadline would endanger the American people, would harm our military, and make the Middle East less stable. It would give the terrorists exactly what they want.

Now the conditions on the ground obviously calls for a reduction in troops, which is happening as we speak, and also calls for negotiating with a sovereign Iraq about the status of our troops.

But keep crowing Harry.

Ed Morrissey:

Democrats wanted timetables for withdrawal in order to surrender in Iraq, not after Iraqi security and stability had been achieved. Not even the Iraqis want the US out that quickly, nor on a 16-month schedule offered by Barack Obama. They want American troops to leave when they foresee their own army and internal security forces achieving the necessary strength to keep Iraq secure, internally and externally, and not before.

It’s the difference between discussing withdrawal timetables from Europe in 1944 and 1946.

When the final version of the security agreement is released you can bet that if there is a timetable, there will be conditions for that withdrawal. Specifically the conditions on the ground, as Bush has said all along.

UPDATE

Murdoc Online points out that this is not the type of withdrawal that the Democrats have been pulling for. Evidence of this can be seen in this article from the Army Times: (h/t Formerly Known As Skeptic)

The Iraqi proposal stipulates that, once Iraqi forces have resumed security responsibility in all 18 of Iraq’s provinces, U.S.-led forces would then withdraw from all cities in the country.

After that, the country’s security situation would be reviewed every six months, for three to five years, to decide when U.S.-led troops would pull out entirely, al-Adeeb said.

Once again, “conditions on the ground.”

More here.

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Yeah, perspective is always dependent upon what side of the fence rail you’re standing, and if that bloody “post turtle” is blocking your view…. LOL

If they can do it, it’s just fabulous by me. Always said the day the Iraq govt asks us to leave, let’s wish them luck, and go home.

But I did hear a couple of analysts talking on Jim Lehrer last night. One woman, for Iraq ambassador, suggested this was Maliki walking a fine line between nationalist pride and sovereignty pre-elections, and also a good negotiating tool for the SOFAs. The other guy took a more hard line, sans any political expediency, saying it was all about being disgruntled about SOFAs.

I suspect that “walking a fine line” between Iraq opinions and the need for US aid is more likely. I suspect that public “tut tut” are regularly done while silent assent plays in the background. We’ve watched Musharraf do the same for years in Pakistan.. not to mention how that may not play in your favor during election times. Maliki could well be running to sovereignty issues for votes.

Zimbabwe is proof that it just takes one bad leader or charismatic figure to reverse things. Nobody knows if things will reverse. Fear of a reversal shouldn’t be U.S. policy. That’s the same fear mothers that baby their 18+ year-old children have. The U.S. should be listening more to the Iraqi government and letting that government decide it’s fate.

Yesterday I saw an Obama campaign advisor say Sen O was for a timetable, but “conditions based” [as if that’s something new, or unique, and different from the Bush plan for the past 5yrs]

I laughed…then I frowned when I came to my senses and realized that Democrats will take his schpeel hook, line, and sinker. Sen Obama could give a Bush speech, claim it was his, and get rounding support for it…just because he’s got a D and isn’t GWB.

Of course, the MSM is also not reporting the full story. There is also this:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/07/ap_iraq_timetable_070708/

“The Iraqi proposal stipulates that, once Iraqi forces have resumed security responsibility in all 18 of Iraq’s provinces, U.S.-led forces would then withdraw from all cities in the country.
After that, the country’s security situation would be reviewed every six months, for three to five years, to decide when U.S.-led troops would pull out entirely, al-Adeeb said.”

H.T. Murdoc (http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/005770.html)

So, as Obi-Wan would say, “This is not the timeline you’re looking for.” The MSM is trying to point to this proposal and claim that the Iraqis want exactly what the democrats have been pushing for, but they have NO desire to force the US out of the country before they are good and ready.

There might be another element to this as well. Could Maliki be looking to cement in stone a U.S. committment to Iraq longer than Obama’s promise to get out of Iraq in 16 months?

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Yo, Yonason… did you mean to post this to the AWG thread? You may wish to cut/paste and add it there. It’s a bizarre, but strangely logical analysis that made me grin end to end

He took care of it!

MataHarley

Thanks. I was in the process of transferring it when I got your heads up. I could have said it much more succinctly, but I was in a rambling mood. Glad you got something out of it.

New items in the past few days that should be emphasized:

I.
Maliki no longer wants the massive and long-term bases presence of Bush (and McCain). He has walked away from its laid foundations in the document he signed called the Declaration of Principles in 2007 –that would have lead to a SOFA and SFA.

II.
Maliki is now calling for a ‘Memo. of Understanding’ that would not amount to a treaty of alliance or any permanent relationship. ‘Missing links’ (Badger) translates an Hayat piece and explains that:

Al Hayat cites a “prominent political source” who says the scheduled-withdrawal concept (via a “Memorandum of Understanding”) in fact has met with the approval of the American side, for two reasons: (1) They don’t like the risk of an abrupt change of policy under a putative Democratic administration, so this will be a smoothing mechanism; and (2) They aren’t keen on the idea of a battle between Bush and Congress in the final months of his administration.
http://arablinks.blogspot.com/2008/07/alhayat-prominent-political-source-told.html

III.
If this is true, Bush has backed away from the SOFA and accepted Maliki’s interim agreement. This is truly a significant change. The next president will be doing a SOFA.

IV.
What is Maliki getting out of the deal? He’s told Bush that Iraqi territory is not to be used for an attack against Iran by US forces, and there will be no US long-term presence. He appears to want to be sure that it was understood that this prohibition includes Iraqi facilities and air space.

V.
Timetables now are really irrelevant. Their discussion is now primarily political theater due to the coming Iraqi elections and they will be ‘groomed’ later in the SOFA.

VI.
It is now a fact that Sistani is now actively engaged in this process.