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Clinton got what she needed, (with a 55% to 45% ten point advantage), to continue her stance that she can win the “big” states necessary to win the electoral college votes in November. Clinton’s problem, (and Obama’s), is neither candidate appears to have the ability to convince the super-delegates to put an end to the race. As it stands right now, if either candidate gets the boot by the super-D’s there will be just enough disenfranchisement in the general election to put John McCain in the White House.
While all this is transpiring, the New York Times and the LA Times continue their own process of vetting McCain smear stories to see which ones will be worth re-publishing during the general election. So far, throwing mud on a military veteran that has far better national security and foreign policy credentials than the other two “cut ‘n run” defeatist just doesn’t seem to stick. Even the fragile economic concerns can not be shouldered completely by the Republican Administration when the Democratic Party will have been in control of the House and the Senate for almost two years by November. Pelosi and Reid have wasted too much time with over eight hundred over-sight hearings and surrender/retreat legislation to prove they can do the job they were elected to do, which was to solve the nations domestic ills. Instead, their partisan politics has destroyed much of their party’s credibility. So much for the “new direction” promises the democrats made to the electorate that brought them into power. And now they have this “perfect storm” to deal with.
Raincoats and Popcorn required.
doug
15 years ago
“Instead, their partisan politics has destroyed much of their party’s credibility.”
Oh really? Despite the Dems. intra-party hammer-hitting general election polls finds Dems and Repubs generally tied! Yes, tied; tied all the while as McCain reclines during his nominee honey-moon.
When Obama’s energetic youth is unleashed against McCain he’ll be a torrent. The difference between them won’t only be expressed in terms of breaking from Bush, but in Obama’s attempt to articulate a passion for a wider and deeper grass-roots political activism in all levels of government.
Obama’s rhetorical skills have the potential to sweep McCain into a corner and dust him up as a political dinosaur: while the race may be understood as party vs. party, it will be viewed as vitality vs. lethargy.
Credibility won’t be the defining issue for Dems; it will be the defining issue for Repubs.
Are you serious. Obama’s gonna articulate what his “Change” is or that he “Hopes” people will not see his flaws. Obama will be easily defeated by McCain. If he cannot even beat the Wicked Witch from Arkansas, how in the world can he beat McCain. Hillary has the biggest negative rating of them all. He should have wrapped this up a couple months ago, but can get past the finish line. And we haven’t even heard a peep from the MSM about his shenanigans in Chicago wth Rezko. Just a little bit here and there. But Gov Blogojavich is sinking fast in this trial and so will Obama.
Obama atorrent of platitudes and his “Hope and Change” will not beat McCain.
I forgot about Obama’s whining that the MSM actually asked him a question and didn’t bow down to him in the last debate. How will he handle a real debate that is not against another Socialist. Or how ishe going to handle the questions the MSM will ask him in the General Election campaign. he hasa terrible case of foot in mouth disease that cost him Pennsylvania and his good RevWrng doesn’yt help. Wright will be a albatross around his neck, along with Ayers and the other leftwing nuts in Chicago.
And another thing I am not voting for Bush in this election either
doug in colorado
15 years ago
The Dems “new direction” was always going to be “Socialism/Anti-Capitalism at Home, and Defeatism/Kumbayah Singing Abroad”, which is certainly new and different…haven’t seen anything like that since…oh, the Carter years…and the Clinton Years…
Don’t you just long for the days of double digit inflation, double digit unemployment, double digit mortgage rates and triple-digit numbers of hostages held in our embassy?
doug
15 years ago
As I mentioned above, the tracking poll of Gallup’s that groups Obama and Clinton vs. John McCain has not changed over the past month. All the intra-party warfare has not helped McCain, not even by a point!
He was at 45% a month ago and he’s still at 45% today. Talk about a ‘day’ at the beach! When is this man going to go to work?
Wow a poll this lng before the election is going to tell us who is going to win. Right. And the exit polls are always right. Didn’t you read that people from both factions of the Identity Policicd Party are never going to vopt for the other candidate. they are imploding in front of our eyes. And it is all in the way the Defeatocrats work. All it was was a bunch of left wing factions that were held together when a White Male was the candidate, but now the factions are at war with each other and their groups are going top split off the main Democrat Party. It was inevitable with the Identity Politics they were using. It doesn’t matter what they say or what their politics is, it is are they Black or are they Female. And that is the only thing that matters to these factions. So whoever is their nominee part of the Party is gong to be upset and not vote.
Doug: What you call “Obama’s rhetorical skills” are slowly being seen as somewhat hollow. He reads his script well, but doesn’t always think too fast on his feet in a debate.
McCain will have ample opportunity to run rings around him.
The bloom is definitely off the Obama rose and pretty soon the shriveled petals will start to drop.
Saw a post somewhere in the cyber world from some body…. ah, so much reading, so little memory retention for my cyber travels. But I digress
Said poster brought up a startling astue point. The Clintons will not want to see the young whippersnapper getting in the WH, blowing her chances for a 2012 second chance. The dynamic duo will find it in their best interests to see that McCain wins. So I would expect them to be very busy behind the scenes.
Have to say… said poster (wish I could remember *who* to credit) might be on to something there.
I’ve heard similar thoughts expressed on talk radio Mata. I don’t know if I would go as far as to suggest Hillary would do that. But it is clear that she is convinced that Obama cannot win and should not be nominated.
Machiavelli
15 years ago
In the DNC the inmates are truly running the asylum these days!
Hillary Clinton represents the traditional Democratic candidate; big on unions, bigger government, pushing for universal health care, the normal bag of tricks. But, she’s par for the course in the post-Kennedy Democratic Party. While she hardly is a member of Middle America, she at least respects its citizens.
By contrast BHO is part of the Howard Dean, George Soros, Move-on, Code Pink FAR LEFT wing part of the party. He’s the next best thing to having a Marxist / Leninist running for President, not to mention from “Dreams of my Father” we can discern that he’s got some pretty racist ideology floating around in his head. Middle America? According to him they’re a bunch of “bitter” people that cling to guns and religion.
Ironically enough, most of the Democratic primaries that he won are states that Republicans are pretty much guaranteed to win come November. Polls are showing that more Clinton voters are likely to vote for McCain come November in BHO is the nominee, whereas the numbers vice-versa are much smaller. Yes, that’s right, the DNC can count its centrist faction out if BHO is their nominee. But, then again, maybe they’re too far gone to worry about that…
Machiavelli speaks truth to power. The only people less happy about the outlook for the convention than Howard Dean and comrades has got to be Denver law enforcement. 50% of the Democrats at the convention are gonna be ticked. Of the 50%, it only takes a few (19 on 911 for example) to be infuriated enough to get violent. 19/a few hundred thousand is enough to make things scary. The DNC coalition is dying.
Two things come to mind
1) isn’t it interesting that the RNC nominee is so far from the extreme that the right wing base isn’t happy, but that he’s equally likely to attract or at least compete for the election-deciding centrists/independents/RINO/DINO votes….
2) If the Democrats lose this election, then people have every right to ask, “what do they freakin’ need to win?!”
dat’s why I’ll buy Machiaville a a “shot” in any forum. Too bad the guy’s not closer for me to do it in person! LOL BTW, Mr. Machiavelli. I suspect the DNC and sheeple are leaning towards the “Howard Dean” reincarnation because they failed so miserably by not doing it in the last go around. I’m sure they feel they have little to lose. Or perhaps they are listening too closely to Moveon.org.
BTA, Mike’s A… while doing work, I’m monitoring “Lob ball Chris” Matthews’s in the BG. Okay, I’m a gluten for purnishment. But, I do like to hear what all sides are thinking.
And go no… there’s a segment advertised (haven’t heard it yet) as “are Hillary and McCain working hand in hand against Obama?”
Timely. But I confess. Not my original thoughts, but definitely stolen thoughts worth pondering. I see the logic. She believes Obama can’t win. There’s no sense in taking slot #2 under Obama since he’s young enough to be the 2012 candidate. That will forever put her out of the #1 slot. Not her style. And Teflon Bill would be livid.
Then again, should she work quietly in the BG against Obama to help him lose against McCain, she has a shot in 2012? Assuming McCain will muck it up and it will go to a DNC candidate. So it makes sense.
Let’s see… do I have enough Stoli and bloody mary mix to make it thru the eve??? Yo Machiavelli! Where are you when I need you!
Machiavelli
15 years ago
Good evening ladies and gentlemen, sorry I was busy having people imply I was a racist for calling out the real racists in other threads. Thanks for the praise Scott and MataHarley; just saying what I think, and backing it up logically (when I can resist the urge to be sarcastic).
I was just going back to look through a book I read at the beginning of the year (even in our age of instant news and online blogs, old fashioned paper has a definite appeal to it). It’s a piece called “The Second Civil War” by Ronald Brownstein, and if 423 pages doesn’t sound like too much of a time commitment; he does a relatively even-handed job of sizing up the current state of politics in Washington in particular, and America in general.
I was looking for a quote that spawned my “inmates running the asylum” crack about the DNC. Now, Howard Dean was the radical left’s choice back in 2004; but even after he got knocked out by a more “traditional” Democratic candidate in the primary round, the radicals didn’t give up their bid to get their “shadow party” going inside the DNC. They baked up $300 million through the likes of George Soros, and MoveOn; leading Eli Pariser (MoveOn big-wig) to say about the DNC: “Now it’s our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we’re going to take it back.”
Barack Obama is the manifestation of the change the last four years have seen in the DNC. The most impressive trick though is that whereas the “Dean Scream” popped up right after Iowa in 2004, they managed to hide BHO’s true colors until the Jeremiah Wright story broke in March; much to the MSM’s chagrin. This meant that the cover story of BHO the candidate of “hope” and “change” was able to get the post Super Tuesday wins that put him ahead of Hillary Clinton.
As for me, without being overly precise; I spent the first eight years of my life in Nebraska (Go Big Red!), then moved out to Central / Southern California (I was educated here, and I still came out conservative), with a five year stint in Japan mixed in there.
P.S. – I went over to check out the latest on the Stop-Obama website (strangely enough they’ve been having trouble with their site being hacked). One of their writers has been talking about a pro-Obama group called “Recreate ’68” that is apparently planning to disrupt not only the RNC Convention, but the DNC Convention too in the name of getting BHO nominated. Who knows, maybe Hillary really is thinking that old Turkish proverb “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” regarding BHO. Even if she and McCain do work in tandem for now, it’s purely an alliance of convenience; but, I’ll take that until the summer convention season is over.
Missy
15 years ago
Mata Harley, you’re on the right track. McCain has already personally put out doubts of a second term. I bet Hillary already has plans in the works for that shot at 2012. I will also bet she won’t win that one either.
get the popcorn out, it is going to be a fun few months
Josh has a different take on Clinton’s general election viability:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/190870.php
Additionally, Clinton didn’t “win big in Texas”:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/31/obama-wins-overall-delegate-race-in-texas/
It’s a Perfect Storm………..
Clinton got what she needed, (with a 55% to 45% ten point advantage), to continue her stance that she can win the “big” states necessary to win the electoral college votes in November. Clinton’s problem, (and Obama’s), is neither candidate appears to have the ability to convince the super-delegates to put an end to the race. As it stands right now, if either candidate gets the boot by the super-D’s there will be just enough disenfranchisement in the general election to put John McCain in the White House.
While all this is transpiring, the New York Times and the LA Times continue their own process of vetting McCain smear stories to see which ones will be worth re-publishing during the general election. So far, throwing mud on a military veteran that has far better national security and foreign policy credentials than the other two “cut ‘n run” defeatist just doesn’t seem to stick. Even the fragile economic concerns can not be shouldered completely by the Republican Administration when the Democratic Party will have been in control of the House and the Senate for almost two years by November. Pelosi and Reid have wasted too much time with over eight hundred over-sight hearings and surrender/retreat legislation to prove they can do the job they were elected to do, which was to solve the nations domestic ills. Instead, their partisan politics has destroyed much of their party’s credibility. So much for the “new direction” promises the democrats made to the electorate that brought them into power. And now they have this “perfect storm” to deal with.
Raincoats and Popcorn required.
“Instead, their partisan politics has destroyed much of their party’s credibility.”
Oh really? Despite the Dems. intra-party hammer-hitting general election polls finds Dems and Repubs generally tied! Yes, tied; tied all the while as McCain reclines during his nominee honey-moon.
So, thoughtful minds have to wonder how he’ll abide once Obama steals his margarita leaving him on the beach as he breezes thru 3-4 states a day for weeks while tying him to the most unpopular president in modern history:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106741/Bushs-69-Job-Disapproval-Rating-Highest-Gallup-History.aspx
When Obama’s energetic youth is unleashed against McCain he’ll be a torrent. The difference between them won’t only be expressed in terms of breaking from Bush, but in Obama’s attempt to articulate a passion for a wider and deeper grass-roots political activism in all levels of government.
Obama’s rhetorical skills have the potential to sweep McCain into a corner and dust him up as a political dinosaur: while the race may be understood as party vs. party, it will be viewed as vitality vs. lethargy.
Credibility won’t be the defining issue for Dems; it will be the defining issue for Repubs.
Are you serious. Obama’s gonna articulate what his “Change” is or that he “Hopes” people will not see his flaws. Obama will be easily defeated by McCain. If he cannot even beat the Wicked Witch from Arkansas, how in the world can he beat McCain. Hillary has the biggest negative rating of them all. He should have wrapped this up a couple months ago, but can get past the finish line. And we haven’t even heard a peep from the MSM about his shenanigans in Chicago wth Rezko. Just a little bit here and there. But Gov Blogojavich is sinking fast in this trial and so will Obama.
Obama atorrent of platitudes and his “Hope and Change” will not beat McCain.
I forgot about Obama’s whining that the MSM actually asked him a question and didn’t bow down to him in the last debate. How will he handle a real debate that is not against another Socialist. Or how ishe going to handle the questions the MSM will ask him in the General Election campaign. he hasa terrible case of foot in mouth disease that cost him Pennsylvania and his good RevWrng doesn’yt help. Wright will be a albatross around his neck, along with Ayers and the other leftwing nuts in Chicago.
And another thing I am not voting for Bush in this election either
The Dems “new direction” was always going to be “Socialism/Anti-Capitalism at Home, and Defeatism/Kumbayah Singing Abroad”, which is certainly new and different…haven’t seen anything like that since…oh, the Carter years…and the Clinton Years…
Don’t you just long for the days of double digit inflation, double digit unemployment, double digit mortgage rates and triple-digit numbers of hostages held in our embassy?
As I mentioned above, the tracking poll of Gallup’s that groups Obama and Clinton vs. John McCain has not changed over the past month. All the intra-party warfare has not helped McCain, not even by a point!
He was at 45% a month ago and he’s still at 45% today. Talk about a ‘day’ at the beach! When is this man going to go to work?
Is 45% his ceiling of support?
Wow a poll this lng before the election is going to tell us who is going to win. Right. And the exit polls are always right. Didn’t you read that people from both factions of the Identity Policicd Party are never going to vopt for the other candidate. they are imploding in front of our eyes. And it is all in the way the Defeatocrats work. All it was was a bunch of left wing factions that were held together when a White Male was the candidate, but now the factions are at war with each other and their groups are going top split off the main Democrat Party. It was inevitable with the Identity Politics they were using. It doesn’t matter what they say or what their politics is, it is are they Black or are they Female. And that is the only thing that matters to these factions. So whoever is their nominee part of the Party is gong to be upset and not vote.
Doug: What you call “Obama’s rhetorical skills” are slowly being seen as somewhat hollow. He reads his script well, but doesn’t always think too fast on his feet in a debate.
McCain will have ample opportunity to run rings around him.
The bloom is definitely off the Obama rose and pretty soon the shriveled petals will start to drop.
Saw a post somewhere in the cyber world from some body…. ah, so much reading, so little memory retention for my cyber travels. But I digress
Said poster brought up a startling astue point. The Clintons will not want to see the young whippersnapper getting in the WH, blowing her chances for a 2012 second chance. The dynamic duo will find it in their best interests to see that McCain wins. So I would expect them to be very busy behind the scenes.
Have to say… said poster (wish I could remember *who* to credit) might be on to something there.
I’ve heard similar thoughts expressed on talk radio Mata. I don’t know if I would go as far as to suggest Hillary would do that. But it is clear that she is convinced that Obama cannot win and should not be nominated.
In the DNC the inmates are truly running the asylum these days!
Hillary Clinton represents the traditional Democratic candidate; big on unions, bigger government, pushing for universal health care, the normal bag of tricks. But, she’s par for the course in the post-Kennedy Democratic Party. While she hardly is a member of Middle America, she at least respects its citizens.
By contrast BHO is part of the Howard Dean, George Soros, Move-on, Code Pink FAR LEFT wing part of the party. He’s the next best thing to having a Marxist / Leninist running for President, not to mention from “Dreams of my Father” we can discern that he’s got some pretty racist ideology floating around in his head. Middle America? According to him they’re a bunch of “bitter” people that cling to guns and religion.
Ironically enough, most of the Democratic primaries that he won are states that Republicans are pretty much guaranteed to win come November. Polls are showing that more Clinton voters are likely to vote for McCain come November in BHO is the nominee, whereas the numbers vice-versa are much smaller. Yes, that’s right, the DNC can count its centrist faction out if BHO is their nominee. But, then again, maybe they’re too far gone to worry about that…
Machiavelli speaks truth to power. The only people less happy about the outlook for the convention than Howard Dean and comrades has got to be Denver law enforcement. 50% of the Democrats at the convention are gonna be ticked. Of the 50%, it only takes a few (19 on 911 for example) to be infuriated enough to get violent. 19/a few hundred thousand is enough to make things scary. The DNC coalition is dying.
Two things come to mind
1) isn’t it interesting that the RNC nominee is so far from the extreme that the right wing base isn’t happy, but that he’s equally likely to attract or at least compete for the election-deciding centrists/independents/RINO/DINO votes….
2) If the Democrats lose this election, then people have every right to ask, “what do they freakin’ need to win?!”
dat’s why I’ll buy Machiaville a a “shot” in any forum. Too bad the guy’s not closer for me to do it in person! LOL BTW, Mr. Machiavelli. I suspect the DNC and sheeple are leaning towards the “Howard Dean” reincarnation because they failed so miserably by not doing it in the last go around. I’m sure they feel they have little to lose. Or perhaps they are listening too closely to Moveon.org.
BTA, Mike’s A… while doing work, I’m monitoring “Lob ball Chris” Matthews’s in the BG. Okay, I’m a gluten for purnishment. But, I do like to hear what all sides are thinking.
And go no… there’s a segment advertised (haven’t heard it yet) as “are Hillary and McCain working hand in hand against Obama?”
Timely. But I confess. Not my original thoughts, but definitely stolen thoughts worth pondering. I see the logic. She believes Obama can’t win. There’s no sense in taking slot #2 under Obama since he’s young enough to be the 2012 candidate. That will forever put her out of the #1 slot. Not her style. And Teflon Bill would be livid.
Then again, should she work quietly in the BG against Obama to help him lose against McCain, she has a shot in 2012? Assuming McCain will muck it up and it will go to a DNC candidate. So it makes sense.
Let’s see… do I have enough Stoli and bloody mary mix to make it thru the eve??? Yo Machiavelli! Where are you when I need you!
Good evening ladies and gentlemen, sorry I was busy having people imply I was a racist for calling out the real racists in other threads. Thanks for the praise Scott and MataHarley; just saying what I think, and backing it up logically (when I can resist the urge to be sarcastic).
I was just going back to look through a book I read at the beginning of the year (even in our age of instant news and online blogs, old fashioned paper has a definite appeal to it). It’s a piece called “The Second Civil War” by Ronald Brownstein, and if 423 pages doesn’t sound like too much of a time commitment; he does a relatively even-handed job of sizing up the current state of politics in Washington in particular, and America in general.
I was looking for a quote that spawned my “inmates running the asylum” crack about the DNC. Now, Howard Dean was the radical left’s choice back in 2004; but even after he got knocked out by a more “traditional” Democratic candidate in the primary round, the radicals didn’t give up their bid to get their “shadow party” going inside the DNC. They baked up $300 million through the likes of George Soros, and MoveOn; leading Eli Pariser (MoveOn big-wig) to say about the DNC: “Now it’s our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we’re going to take it back.”
Barack Obama is the manifestation of the change the last four years have seen in the DNC. The most impressive trick though is that whereas the “Dean Scream” popped up right after Iowa in 2004, they managed to hide BHO’s true colors until the Jeremiah Wright story broke in March; much to the MSM’s chagrin. This meant that the cover story of BHO the candidate of “hope” and “change” was able to get the post Super Tuesday wins that put him ahead of Hillary Clinton.
As for me, without being overly precise; I spent the first eight years of my life in Nebraska (Go Big Red!), then moved out to Central / Southern California (I was educated here, and I still came out conservative), with a five year stint in Japan mixed in there.
P.S. – I went over to check out the latest on the Stop-Obama website (strangely enough they’ve been having trouble with their site being hacked). One of their writers has been talking about a pro-Obama group called “Recreate ’68” that is apparently planning to disrupt not only the RNC Convention, but the DNC Convention too in the name of getting BHO nominated. Who knows, maybe Hillary really is thinking that old Turkish proverb “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” regarding BHO. Even if she and McCain do work in tandem for now, it’s purely an alliance of convenience; but, I’ll take that until the summer convention season is over.
Mata Harley, you’re on the right track. McCain has already personally put out doubts of a second term. I bet Hillary already has plans in the works for that shot at 2012. I will also bet she won’t win that one either.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/03/addressing_age_issue_mccain_says_he_may_seek_only_one_term/