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15 years ago
If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.
Philadelphia Steve
15 years ago
I reall all those pictures that were circulated by Loyal Bushies during the 2004 campaign: The one’s where the spot lights cast halos about George W. Bush’s head, as well as Pat Robertson’s declaration that God had spoken to him and predicted George W. Bush should be the next president.
Of course it’s always DIFFERENT when Republicans claim their candidate is divinely appointed, isn’t it?
For the record, I do not declare that God has selected any candidate as her choice for president of the United States. That is a matter for us, as US citizens, and our concsience to decide. I would never try to claim any diefication of my choice. Would you?
Fasternu426
15 years ago
You thing the Paulistinians are going to be dissapointed? Wait the Obaminations until they find out that if you nail Obama to a cross, three days later he’ll start to stink.
John Ryan
15 years ago
Well it is quite obvious that the 2 parties view their candidates for nomination differently: one may be a messiah, the other maybe Satan himself.
Well, at least Philly Steve admits that the Obamination is trying to wear the messianic mantle. You would think that someone who has invested a life time in hating right wing Christians for expressing themselves would be loathe to support a candidate who campaigns in churches, and openly cultivates a cult campaign persona.
I guess it’s no surprise to learn that Steve is a hypocrite.
Philadelphia Steve
15 years ago
Mike:
Re: “Well, at least Philly Steve admits that the Obamination is trying to wear the messianic mantle. ”
I have made no such “admission”. That is a claim that Conservatives are making right here. Compare that to how Conservatives attempted to deify George W. Bush in 2004:
Re: “You would think that someone who has invested a life time in hating right wing Christians ”
Can you document a single time where I have said I hated anyone, Christian or otherwise? Or are you lying about my statements again? Criticism is not hatred. Name calling, comparisons to Satan and accusations of Treason are signs of hatred. All of which Conservatives on this site have flung both at me and anyone who is a Democrat or Liberal quite frequently, without ever being accused of hatred themselves. But then Conservatives on this site never subject themselves to the standards they set for others (and, yes, I do know I am stereotyping here, but I challenge a Conservative here to cite one of their posts holding their hero, George W. Bush to the standards they set for others.)
Fasternu426.
Re: “You think the Palestinians are going to be disappointed?”
What does that have to do with anything being discussed on this thread? The topic was about claims by Conservatives that Barak Obama’s followers were “deifying” him, to which I responded with examples where Republicans portrayed George W. Bush in such a light in 2004, without even the slightest whimper of complaint by Conservatives anywhere.
The Palestinians did not come into this discussion at any point whatsoever.
Steve: The Obama Cultists are openly making the argument. This isn’t something that conservatives have dreamed up.
Oh, and did you really think you are fooling anyone by claiming you don’t hate right wing Christitans? If I had a dollar for everytime you have slimed right wing Christians I would be rich!
“I guess it’s no surprise to learn that Steve is a hypocrite.”
And from Philadelphia…must be something in the water.
Good thing I drink bottled water…
Philadelphia Steve
15 years ago
“You thing the Paulistinians are going to be dissapointed? ”
My bad. I apologize to Fasternu. No wonder the post did not appear to make sense. I mis read it.
Again, my apologies, I was wrong to criticize Fasternu.
Philadelphia Steve
15 years ago
Re: “Oh, and did you really think you are fooling anyone by claiming you don’t hate right wing Christitans? If I had a dollar for everytime you have slimed right wing Christians I would be rich!”
Why should I? You’re just going to deny that’s what you mean.
Much time has already been wasted documenting the number of times you have been in error and you simply ignore the facts and pretend it never happened.
“I used Dr. Dobson’s name specifically because of the power he has within the party and the sensitivity among some Republicans about the power of the Religious Right over them.”
“Conservatives are thus free to wallow in hate to their hearts’ content.”
” with Conservatives, if it works in the comic books or movies, then it must be true.”
“Conservatives here are screaming to “torture everyone”. “
“lies, told by Conservatives to Conservatives so as to justify the $ trillions and lives that are being wasted in Iraq because George W. Bush wanted to be “The War Presdient” for his 2004 re-election.”
“Geroge W.Bush is exactly the kind of President that Conservatives wanted: spending government money to stay in office, appointing and keeping incompetent hacks in office in order to reward loyalty. That is real Conservatism.”
“Conservatives always base their beliefs on what works in the movies or on TV. Because torture worked on “24″, it must be great. …You Conservatives would gleefully subject every one of them to torture, including children. And you are proud of it. I repeat: Conservatives are disgracing everything that America once stood for to the world. And they are justifying it based on Hollywood movies.”
“Conservatives now believe in torture. That is where they have brought our country.”
“The fact that Conservatives, in their zeal to deny any hint of accountability on the part of Geroge W. Bush, pretend the facts do not exist just means they live in the same bubble with George W. Bush.”
“My postulate is that the Republican leadership will never curtail their efforts to please this right-wing evangelical base”
“hollow religious babble that the right does indeed engage in”
“abject obeisance of the Republican party to its most right-wing religious leaders “
“Re: “No, Democrats haven’t said they “hate” “right wing Christians”, but their deep disdain has been very well articulated and demonstrated so sans a specific quote and playing games with this quote or that, Steve has chosen to ignore the idea of the question and attack the phrasing.”
No. Just document your claims. You still haven’t.”
Really? That’s just a few examples culled from a minority of your recent comments and it’s just the tip of an iceberg of bile and rhetorical poison.
But this has to be my favorite:
“can you point to a verifiable position on the part of the Democratic leadership declaring their hatred of Christians?”
How about Howard Dean, Chairman of the DNC: “I HATE Republicans and everything they stand for.”
Spitting on conservatives and the “religious right” every chance you get. But it’s not hate?
jainphx
15 years ago
Aah yeah I guess you proved it, but nothing to see here move along. Hey Steve are these your words or is your dog doing your talking. Be a man and admit you met your match, Mike is just too tough for you.
Aw shucks jainphx! Thanks! But, it’s not like it was difficult!
Fasternu 426
15 years ago
LonestarTimes has a story about the opening of the Obama Houston office. There’s a video from Fox 26 in Houston about the opening. In the video on the back wall is a flag. No, not the American flag that Osama refuses to wear on his lapel or place his hand over his heart to render honor to. It’s a Cuban flag. Imposed over the Cuban flag is none other than Che Gueverra. If there is one reason to NOT allow the dhimmicrats to get into office this is it. An out of the closet, communist that will sell us doen the river into dhimmitude. Hold your nose and vote for McStinky…. but don’t let these clowns get the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania ave…..
Re: “Spitting on conservatives and the “religious right” every chance you get. But it’s not hate?”
No. It is not hate. It is criticism.
However when one is a Conservative, with the thinest of thin skins in the political world, anything other than total adulation is reacted to with absolute horror and hatred. George W. Bush being the poster child for an infantile inability to accept even the tinist critical comments from anyone (particularly his parents). But then, that is why Conservatives love him so: He epitomizes everything they are, for all the world to see.
Ahh, I see. To Steve, he is attacking “evil” and pointing out the wrongs of “evil” as defined by the left is not hate, but “criticism”.
Steve cannot even stop the hate and attacks in the his very last sentence!!! “It is not hate, but…..”
‘But then, that is why Conservatives love him so: He epitomizes everything they are, for all the world to see.’
I guess Steve missed the conservative anger at immigration “reform”, McCain-Fiengold, Bush-Kennedy education bill, Prescription Drug Coverage, and President Bush advancing leftist causes in big government as a way of “compromising” with the Dems (which Steve now projects as conservatives wanting big government).
Steve, it is unfortunate that you cannot see yourself doing this. I can only wonder if it is severe delusions on your part, or misplaced anger at your family, or manic-depression (in your manic states, your personality changes. We all see it and some have remarked on it).
Conservatives have a lot thinker skin than you believe. If the leftists were attacked and held to the same legal and moral standards as conservatives, their reactions would enter violent states. Though the current DNC chairman, Dean, threatened in 2004 to use the FCC to silence those who criticized him if he became President. Talk about thin skinned.
Philadelphia Steve
15 years ago
Re: “Ahh, I see. To Steve, he is attacking “evil” and pointing out the wrongs of “evil” as defined by the left is not hate, but “criticism”. ”
Have I ever used the word “evil” regarding Conservatives?
Have I ever said I hated anyone (other than Chris Mathews, that is)?
Daily I see posts here fro Conservatives who are so filled with hatred they cannot use the proper names of their political opponents, instead resorting to the Grade-School tactic of mangling peoples names to further display their hatred of people such as Barak Obama or Hillary Clinton.
I have never failed to use George W. Bush’s full name, or his title, President Bush, (the same goes for Dr. James Dobson or the Rev. Pat Robertson) even while critical. Have even one of yor Conservatives shown similar maturity in your posts?
The fact that Conservatives disagreed with George W. Bush on some of his most egrigious blunders, does not stop them from still defending President Bush from accountability for the thousands of Americans and Iraqis who have died or been maimed as a result of the Bush Administration’s botched occupation of Iraq: One of the worst administrative/military blunders in American history. Conservative loyalty to the Republican Party must be maintained for issues that President Bush deems “really important”, as opposed to the “window dressing” issues such as matching government spending with tax revenue, securing American borders, and maintaining America’s image as a country that stands for something more than tortuing its prisoners. (It is easy to tell the difference because if George W. Bush really cares about something, he just does it anyway, as opposed to “giving in”. )
So, yes the Conservatives here are not as lockstep loyal as, say Rick Santorum. But your loyalty is still something that George W. Bush will count on, and receive, as he lays in his “legacy” for America.
And you still have the thinest of thin skins when confronted with even the mildest of criticisms.
Nice try Steve. Still an unfounded comment; lacking historical reference this is nothing more than your heavily biased opinion. “Bush Administration’s botched occupation of Iraq: One of the worst administrative/military blunders in American history. ”
Yes Steve… You’re very careful indeed. But the bile just seeps out of every nearly every sentence. It’s undeniable, unavoidable and cumulative.
You might share the few excerpts I provide above with your mental health professional and see what his or her reaction is. I could of course provide many MORE such examples.
But now, once again, we are getting off track. This isn’t about Philly Steve, as much as he would like it to be. This is about Democrat cult worship. And while Steve would rather talk about himself, I would not.
P.S. It was a typo in Chris’s comment #19 but I like it just the way it is: “Conservatives have a lot thinker skin.”
Oh Steve, you really are delusional and WRONG. I was in Iraq, lost friends in Iraq, was injured in Iraq, and volunteered to go back. I answered your unfounded bile criticisms of President Bush and the reasons for going into Iraq and linked to the “Why Iraq” post I did WHILE in Iraq, but you dismissed it since it pierces your thin skin and leftist “talking points”.
I used “evil” in quotes for a metaphoric reason. That reason soared over your head obviously, as do most things. You do have an anger issue and it has been pointed out several times, along with the obvious bi-polar issues in your postings.
But thank you for proving the point of the cult of Obama by projecting a “cult of Bush” onto conservatives.
Philadelphia Steve
15 years ago
Re: Nice try Steve. Still an unfounded comment; lacking historical reference this is nothing more than your heavily biased opinion.”
the “historical precedent” is the latest in White House supplied diversions. The blunders by the Bush Administration, as documented fully in “Fiasco” and “Enemy at the Gates” is, frankly, without precedent. George W. Bush has attained new heights of incompetence regarding the wastage of American lives and money on a botched occupation. The constant diversoins and counter attacks by Conservatives just goes to reinforce the degree to which they refuse to hold President Bush fully accountabe for the wastage he has visited upon our country.
Sorry I mis-spelled Barack’s name. Thank you for catching it.
Re: “Yes Steve… You’re very careful indeed. But the bile just seeps out of every nearly every sentence. It’s undeniable, unavoidable and cumulative.”
There is no bile. Just criticism, and facts. For bile, just look at any post by a Conservative on this site regarding Senator Hillary Clinton. Can a single Conservative here honestly say that those posts are not overflowiong with vitriol? Or, like Chris Mathews, is it “OK” to hate Mrs. Clinton, simply because of who she is? When you can put up a post, even a critical one, without your usual name-twisting and school-yard taunting, then speak of others’ “hatred” for positng items that are not the usual GOP adulatioins tht George W.Bush apparently regards as his just due.
Now, back to the original purpose of this thread (Apparently I am the only one who is excoriated for digressions). For those Conservatives who have posted items regarding their belief that Obama’s supporters have deified him, what is your take on the same level of deification attempts that were promulgated by Conservatives in 2004?
(links to sites describing them)
Again Steve, you trot out heavily biased sites, yet belittle others if the cite Fox News for a report!
I am sure if you take these heavily biased sites you use as, pun intended, the “Gosphel Truth”, you would think the mean old Christian Conservatives are coming to take over the world. Fortunatly, that is not the case. However, if you want to see a religion that IS trying to impose a governmental system on the world, look at Islam. But I digress.
Again, Poor “persecuted” Steve who thinks he is held to different standards. Actually, you are. If you were held to the same standards as others, you probably would have been banned.
Of course you did. it is always “diffferent” when a Conservative does it, isn’t it?
As I said, it went over your head. Others got it, but you did not and now you pull the “persecuted” and “others are held to different standards” crap again. Thank you again for proving the point.
Still just opinionated allegations from heavily biased sources instead of historical precedent. Sorry Steve. History proves you wrong. Trying to prove your opinion by pointing to opinion instead of history is a distraction and not a supportive fact.
“the “historical precedent” is the latest in White House supplied diversions. The blunders by the Bush Administration, as documented fully in “Fiasco” and “Enemy at the Gates” is, frankly, without precedent. George W. Bush has attained new heights of incompetence regarding the wastage of American lives and money on a botched occupation. The constant diversoins and counter attacks by Conservatives just goes to reinforce the degree to which they refuse to hold President Bush fully accountabe for the wastage he has visited upon our country.”
Whether you’re pointing to Fiasco or or a Michael Moore movie, without a historical example, you’re allegation is just the an example of the same distraction that you accuse of those you incorrectly and arbitrarily label as conservatives etc. Keep trying. Maybe if you read more than 2 or 3 books and some articles from Commondreams?
For those Conservatives who have posted items regarding their belief that Obama’s supporters have deified him, what is your take on the same level of deification attempts that were promulgated by Conservatives in 2004?
(links to sites describing them)
Or, as usual, do Conservatives get a FREE PASS when they do it?
Why is it so hard for you to state your case, without tacking on that predictable last sentence? Is it, like, your tagline or something? Can you not tell how foolish you sound, everytime you do this?
Daily I see posts here fro Conservatives who are so filled with hatred they cannot use the proper names of their political opponents, instead resorting to the Grade-School tactic of mangling peoples names to further display their hatred of people such as Barak Obama or Hillary Clinton.
I have never failed to use George W. Bush’s full name, or his title, President Bush,
Yes you have. “Bushie” is one of your favorite labels.
Have even one of yor Conservatives shown similar maturity in your posts?
Yes, I have. Yes, I have. YES I HAVE!
This is a blog, Steve. The tone we set is up to us. Sometimes, I type my post in language I deem would be appropriate for a serious journal-type publication. Other times, I like to have fun with names and inject juvenile humor. That, too, should be taken in the spirit that its dished out, in. Quit being so uptight all the time.
If I refer to “President Bush” in a post, I am usually consistent in also saying “Senator Kerry”, “Senator Kennedy”. There’s a certain tone I am setting in the post. But I also use “informal” language in some posts, saying “Bush” or “Pelosi”, etc.
And you still have the thinest of thin skins when confronted with even the mildest of criticisms.
No. Just with mindless prattling predictability. Anyone of us could do a character impersonation of you and what you’ll say next.
As for the “deification” of Bush. I support my president. But you’re blind if you don’t recognize the amount of criticism he gets from the right. Somehow defending him on points where we believe he is correct on, amounts to worship?
As for “the cult of Obama”, I guess you don’t see it? “Hope”….”Faith”….those are words that also describe the Obama movement, besides “change”. People are resting their votes based solely on faith, when he’s done nothing in his previous 2 years on the Senate, that speaks to his leadership ability, beyond talking a good game. He makes people “feel good”. That’s what comes out of the mouths of his supporters when asked what policy issues they like about him.
I have a friend who is a volunteer in his campaign. A while ago, I sent her the “Yes I Can” video link. She said she cried when she watched it, and ended her e-mail with “I believe!”.
I saw a photo of a woman the other day who had tears streaming down her cheeks as she watched Obama speak.
I’d say this is the reaction of those who behave as if they are witnessing the Rapture or are attending a religious revival.
I have a friend who is a volunteer in his campaign. A while ago, I sent her the “Yes I Can” video link. She said she cried when she watched it, and ended her e-mail with “I believe!”.
Hmmm… same friend who gave you the Valerie Plame lie fest?
Nope. Different one, Mike. I live in blue state California in the celebrity Hollywood part of the state. The number of conservatives I know here, I can count on one hand.
I was unable to find the best photo, describing this feeling of “religious rapture” some Obama supporters seem to experience when they hear him talk.
Here are a couple I did find:
A supporter of U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) cries as she listens to him at the Tulane University during a campaign event in New Orleans February 7, 2008.
REUTERS/Carlos Barria (UNITED STATES) US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN 2008 (USA)
An Obama supporter cries as she listens to the candidate’s speech during his campaign rally Friday, Feb. 8, at the Key Arena in Seattle. Both Obama and Clinton campaigned in Washington state as they prepared for contests there on Saturday.
Carlos Barria – Reuters
A supporter of U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) cries as she listens to his speech during a campaign rally at the Key Arena in Seattle, Washington February 8, 2008.
REUTERS/Carlos Barria (UNITED STATES) US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN 2008 (USA)
Wordsmith: You’ll be proud of me. I sat next to an Obama supporter at dinner last Saturday. I never met one before. I behaved myself but couldn’t help mentioning that an unknown Obama in the White House would be as dangerous as a delusional Jimmy Carter.
John Gibson makes that point often Mike. Think I will do a post with his audio today. He always asks these young smitten voters if they voted for Jimmy, they all say they were to young. Explains why they are falling for the “rapture” of Obama.
Completely agree with the author. It must be cult because I can’t see absolutely nothing worthy of presidency in this Obama man. All I see is a very good pastor/preacher, nothing more. I can listen to him for inspiration, but once he is out of the picture- I completely forget about him. I am totaly shocked to see mass people’s reaction to his messages.
chaos45i
15 years ago
There is a legitimate reason why people should not blindly vote for Barack Obama. I have been reporting all over the internet since before Obama decided to even run that it can be verified that IL. U.S. Senator Presidential Candidate Barack Obama , IL. U.S. Senator Dick Durbin co-chair Obama 2008 are being complicit in allowing the Illinois Department of Human Rights and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to treat me an American U.S. Hispanic citizen who reported incidents of race discrimination in the state of Illinois in an unequal, biased, & discriminatory manner by preventing me the same race discrimination charges non-Hispanics enjoy as a matter of record and then covering up their conduct. Despite there being ample time for each to respond, redress, and stop the above mentioned serious form of discrimination nothing ,to date, has been done to fairly & fully address, redress,and stop this still ongoing serious form of discrimination which has allowed Hormel Foods Corporation, UFCW, and Target Corporation to not be held accountable for race discrimination against me because I happen to be Hispanic. Inaction ,complicity, & deliberate silence on the part of (for instance but not limited to) Obama and Durbin are responsible for my American civil rights continuing to be violated in Illinois as it relates to this serious form of discrimination in their state of Illinois and for nothing being done to fully & fairly redress and stop this still ongoing form of discrimination against an American who happens to be a Hispanic in Illinois. Hispanics who Know are just showing they will not be willing victims of his “Good Judgement”. He has this still going on in Illinois as we speak but Barack Obama tells Hispanic/Latinos nothing about it! I repeat this is verifiable, ongoing and Barack Obama should address it but does not and you can guess why. Included is a link to just one example (If you happen to be a Hispanic in Illinois you have no race) this is on IDHR’s own website in the public domain.
Is it me– or are some of his posters similar to the old communist political posters?????? I feel like I have stepped back in time to a communist era. But then, looking at Obama’s socialist slant ( and Hillary’s) no big surprise there.
dems_lie: They don’t have the heavy “Workers” for world socialism that the old commie posters have, but it’s likely that some of that is part of the inspiration. After all, One of Obama’s offices had the Cuban Flag with the image of Che Guevera displayed in the reception area:
Mike, it is interesting to see this campaign as it goes. I honestly would have liked to see Mitt in the Office. However, as I watch what is going on- I am hoping for Obama to be the nominee. I feel that too many people will go with the no experience of either democratic candidate, however, more women will fall for the victim status that hillary has been working on over the years and many would vote a woman in ( as a woman, I have no problem with a female president- just not a hillary type). However, I think that Obama, ( and I hate to use the race card here) would have a harder time getting many to vote for a black man. I don’t think America is quite ready for a liberal black candidate. He falls in line with jesse jackson and al sharpton– only thing obama is missing is the “rev” title. Mc Cain- though not my first choice– is a better choice given that those that won’t vote for someone listed as the most liberal politician for 2007 and has a race issue will vote for Mc Cain. I hope that those voting in November start seeing the “socialist” theme of the Obama ( or for that matter Clinton) campaign. I would hate to see this country start having the issue of Western Europe.
I don’t know about that dems_lie. Thus far, no one has been able to touch Obama, either by using race tinged tactics or saying “Where’s the Beef.” Hillary has tried both and it’s like Obama is coated with Teflon. His supporters are not seeing him rationally and if Hillary can’t get them back down to earth, I don’t see what chance McCain has.
And you know that Obama would not be a Commander in Chief. More likely the Victim in Chief leading the cause of greivancemongers everywhere.
Robx: Given that Hollywood Stars are so used to having their own “cult of personalities” around them, the video you posted was very illuminating on how even they are being drawn into BHO’s empty, yet “charismatic” sway.
Honestly, the comparison to a “cult leader” status isn’t that far off. The many documented cases of people “fainting” in the audience, the tears of adoration that are shed by those we might call his “followers.” Most of those who seem to be most radically enchanted with him are young, or disconnected (which are the same people that cult leaders traditionally target). His legislative achievements are virtually nil, and in spite of his record of being amongst the most radically left-wing in his votes, he somehow still is managing to sell this bi-partisan image.
His speeches are full of high-flying rhetoric, and of course heavily peppered with invocations of “hope” and “change” and little substance. But to pursue ill-defined “change” simply out of a desire to escape the present is the “hope” of the mad.
Perhaps it is the sign of some greater malady within the Democratic Party that they would forsake a legitimate “defined” candidate like Hillary Clinton for the likes of BHO (or just the finger-print of Howard Dean on the party he now chairs).
But, this slavish devotion, this overlooking of anything that comes out of BHO’s mouth; no matter how outrageous, definitely smacks of a cult-like devotion. Of course, very little of offense get to the general public, because the MSM, equally enthralled, always has his back.
Sure, my criticisms of him might be “typical,” but that does not lessen their validity. BHO supporters are quick to break out the race card, and engage in a shrill knee-jerk defense of him; but their justifications ring hollow, and make thin ice to base a Presidential nomination on…
If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.
I reall all those pictures that were circulated by Loyal Bushies during the 2004 campaign: The one’s where the spot lights cast halos about George W. Bush’s head, as well as Pat Robertson’s declaration that God had spoken to him and predicted George W. Bush should be the next president.
Of course it’s always DIFFERENT when Republicans claim their candidate is divinely appointed, isn’t it?
For the record, I do not declare that God has selected any candidate as her choice for president of the United States. That is a matter for us, as US citizens, and our concsience to decide. I would never try to claim any diefication of my choice. Would you?
You thing the Paulistinians are going to be dissapointed? Wait the Obaminations until they find out that if you nail Obama to a cross, three days later he’ll start to stink.
Well it is quite obvious that the 2 parties view their candidates for nomination differently: one may be a messiah, the other maybe Satan himself.
Well, at least Philly Steve admits that the Obamination is trying to wear the messianic mantle. You would think that someone who has invested a life time in hating right wing Christians for expressing themselves would be loathe to support a candidate who campaigns in churches, and openly cultivates a cult campaign persona.
I guess it’s no surprise to learn that Steve is a hypocrite.
Mike:
Re: “Well, at least Philly Steve admits that the Obamination is trying to wear the messianic mantle. ”
I have made no such “admission”. That is a claim that Conservatives are making right here. Compare that to how Conservatives attempted to deify George W. Bush in 2004:
http://yooha.meepzorp.com/iraq-strategy/
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/themindofjamesdonahue/id580.html
http://www.theocracywatch.org/bush2.htm
Re: “You would think that someone who has invested a life time in hating right wing Christians ”
Can you document a single time where I have said I hated anyone, Christian or otherwise? Or are you lying about my statements again? Criticism is not hatred. Name calling, comparisons to Satan and accusations of Treason are signs of hatred. All of which Conservatives on this site have flung both at me and anyone who is a Democrat or Liberal quite frequently, without ever being accused of hatred themselves. But then Conservatives on this site never subject themselves to the standards they set for others (and, yes, I do know I am stereotyping here, but I challenge a Conservative here to cite one of their posts holding their hero, George W. Bush to the standards they set for others.)
Fasternu426.
Re: “You think the Palestinians are going to be disappointed?”
What does that have to do with anything being discussed on this thread? The topic was about claims by Conservatives that Barak Obama’s followers were “deifying” him, to which I responded with examples where Republicans portrayed George W. Bush in such a light in 2004, without even the slightest whimper of complaint by Conservatives anywhere.
The Palestinians did not come into this discussion at any point whatsoever.
Steve,
You bash people for using Newsmax and Fox (even though we use a very diverse set of sources) and then trot out this trash?? Amazing……
And Fasternu stated:
He/she did NOT state (from your post)
You use ‘copy/paste’ so often from your “unbiased” and “truthful” sources yet you typed in Faster’s quote in wrong.
Steve: The Obama Cultists are openly making the argument. This isn’t something that conservatives have dreamed up.
Oh, and did you really think you are fooling anyone by claiming you don’t hate right wing Christitans? If I had a dollar for everytime you have slimed right wing Christians I would be rich!
“I guess it’s no surprise to learn that Steve is a hypocrite.”
And from Philadelphia…must be something in the water.
Good thing I drink bottled water…
“You thing the Paulistinians are going to be dissapointed? ”
My bad. I apologize to Fasternu. No wonder the post did not appear to make sense. I mis read it.
Again, my apologies, I was wrong to criticize Fasternu.
Re: “Oh, and did you really think you are fooling anyone by claiming you don’t hate right wing Christitans? If I had a dollar for everytime you have slimed right wing Christians I would be rich!”
OK. Prove it.
Why should I? You’re just going to deny that’s what you mean.
Much time has already been wasted documenting the number of times you have been in error and you simply ignore the facts and pretend it never happened.
Just for fun here’s a few:
Really? That’s just a few examples culled from a minority of your recent comments and it’s just the tip of an iceberg of bile and rhetorical poison.
But this has to be my favorite:
How about Howard Dean, Chairman of the DNC: “I HATE Republicans and everything they stand for.”
Spitting on conservatives and the “religious right” every chance you get. But it’s not hate?
Aah yeah I guess you proved it, but nothing to see here move along. Hey Steve are these your words or is your dog doing your talking. Be a man and admit you met your match, Mike is just too tough for you.
Aw shucks jainphx! Thanks! But, it’s not like it was difficult!
LonestarTimes has a story about the opening of the Obama Houston office. There’s a video from Fox 26 in Houston about the opening. In the video on the back wall is a flag. No, not the American flag that Osama refuses to wear on his lapel or place his hand over his heart to render honor to. It’s a Cuban flag. Imposed over the Cuban flag is none other than Che Gueverra. If there is one reason to NOT allow the dhimmicrats to get into office this is it. An out of the closet, communist that will sell us doen the river into dhimmitude. Hold your nose and vote for McStinky…. but don’t let these clowns get the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania ave…..
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/11/obama-office-adores-psychotic-marxist-thug/#comments
Unbelieveable.
But here’s the photo:
Re: “Spitting on conservatives and the “religious right” every chance you get. But it’s not hate?”
No. It is not hate. It is criticism.
However when one is a Conservative, with the thinest of thin skins in the political world, anything other than total adulation is reacted to with absolute horror and hatred. George W. Bush being the poster child for an infantile inability to accept even the tinist critical comments from anyone (particularly his parents). But then, that is why Conservatives love him so: He epitomizes everything they are, for all the world to see.
Ahh, I see. To Steve, he is attacking “evil” and pointing out the wrongs of “evil” as defined by the left is not hate, but “criticism”.
Steve cannot even stop the hate and attacks in the his very last sentence!!! “It is not hate, but…..”
I guess Steve missed the conservative anger at immigration “reform”, McCain-Fiengold, Bush-Kennedy education bill, Prescription Drug Coverage, and President Bush advancing leftist causes in big government as a way of “compromising” with the Dems (which Steve now projects as conservatives wanting big government).
Steve, it is unfortunate that you cannot see yourself doing this. I can only wonder if it is severe delusions on your part, or misplaced anger at your family, or manic-depression (in your manic states, your personality changes. We all see it and some have remarked on it).
Conservatives have a lot thinker skin than you believe. If the leftists were attacked and held to the same legal and moral standards as conservatives, their reactions would enter violent states. Though the current DNC chairman, Dean, threatened in 2004 to use the FCC to silence those who criticized him if he became President. Talk about thin skinned.
Re: “Ahh, I see. To Steve, he is attacking “evil” and pointing out the wrongs of “evil” as defined by the left is not hate, but “criticism”. ”
Have I ever used the word “evil” regarding Conservatives?
Have I ever said I hated anyone (other than Chris Mathews, that is)?
Daily I see posts here fro Conservatives who are so filled with hatred they cannot use the proper names of their political opponents, instead resorting to the Grade-School tactic of mangling peoples names to further display their hatred of people such as Barak Obama or Hillary Clinton.
I have never failed to use George W. Bush’s full name, or his title, President Bush, (the same goes for Dr. James Dobson or the Rev. Pat Robertson) even while critical. Have even one of yor Conservatives shown similar maturity in your posts?
The fact that Conservatives disagreed with George W. Bush on some of his most egrigious blunders, does not stop them from still defending President Bush from accountability for the thousands of Americans and Iraqis who have died or been maimed as a result of the Bush Administration’s botched occupation of Iraq: One of the worst administrative/military blunders in American history. Conservative loyalty to the Republican Party must be maintained for issues that President Bush deems “really important”, as opposed to the “window dressing” issues such as matching government spending with tax revenue, securing American borders, and maintaining America’s image as a country that stands for something more than tortuing its prisoners. (It is easy to tell the difference because if George W. Bush really cares about something, he just does it anyway, as opposed to “giving in”. )
So, yes the Conservatives here are not as lockstep loyal as, say Rick Santorum. But your loyalty is still something that George W. Bush will count on, and receive, as he lays in his “legacy” for America.
And you still have the thinest of thin skins when confronted with even the mildest of criticisms.
Nice try Steve. Still an unfounded comment; lacking historical reference this is nothing more than your heavily biased opinion. “Bush Administration’s botched occupation of Iraq: One of the worst administrative/military blunders in American history. ”
btw, Barack has a ‘c’ in it
Yes Steve… You’re very careful indeed. But the bile just seeps out of every nearly every sentence. It’s undeniable, unavoidable and cumulative.
You might share the few excerpts I provide above with your mental health professional and see what his or her reaction is. I could of course provide many MORE such examples.
But now, once again, we are getting off track. This isn’t about Philly Steve, as much as he would like it to be. This is about Democrat cult worship. And while Steve would rather talk about himself, I would not.
P.S. It was a typo in Chris’s comment #19 but I like it just the way it is: “Conservatives have a lot thinker skin.”
Oh Steve, you really are delusional and WRONG. I was in Iraq, lost friends in Iraq, was injured in Iraq, and volunteered to go back. I answered your unfounded bile criticisms of President Bush and the reasons for going into Iraq and linked to the “Why Iraq” post I did WHILE in Iraq, but you dismissed it since it pierces your thin skin and leftist “talking points”.
I used “evil” in quotes for a metaphoric reason. That reason soared over your head obviously, as do most things. You do have an anger issue and it has been pointed out several times, along with the obvious bi-polar issues in your postings.
But thank you for proving the point of the cult of Obama by projecting a “cult of Bush” onto conservatives.
Re: Nice try Steve. Still an unfounded comment; lacking historical reference this is nothing more than your heavily biased opinion.”
the “historical precedent” is the latest in White House supplied diversions. The blunders by the Bush Administration, as documented fully in “Fiasco” and “Enemy at the Gates” is, frankly, without precedent. George W. Bush has attained new heights of incompetence regarding the wastage of American lives and money on a botched occupation. The constant diversoins and counter attacks by Conservatives just goes to reinforce the degree to which they refuse to hold President Bush fully accountabe for the wastage he has visited upon our country.
Sorry I mis-spelled Barack’s name. Thank you for catching it.
Re: “Yes Steve… You’re very careful indeed. But the bile just seeps out of every nearly every sentence. It’s undeniable, unavoidable and cumulative.”
There is no bile. Just criticism, and facts. For bile, just look at any post by a Conservative on this site regarding Senator Hillary Clinton. Can a single Conservative here honestly say that those posts are not overflowiong with vitriol? Or, like Chris Mathews, is it “OK” to hate Mrs. Clinton, simply because of who she is? When you can put up a post, even a critical one, without your usual name-twisting and school-yard taunting, then speak of others’ “hatred” for positng items that are not the usual GOP adulatioins tht George W.Bush apparently regards as his just due.
Now, back to the original purpose of this thread (Apparently I am the only one who is excoriated for digressions). For those Conservatives who have posted items regarding their belief that Obama’s supporters have deified him, what is your take on the same level of deification attempts that were promulgated by Conservatives in 2004?
(links to sites describing them)
http://yooha.meepzorp.com/iraq-strategy/
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/themindofjamesdonahue/id580.html
http://www.theocracywatch.org/bush2.htm
Or, as usual, do Conservatives get a FREE PASS when they do it?
Re: “I used “evil” in quotes for a metaphoric reason.”
Of course you did. it is always “diffferent” when a Conservative does it, isn’t it?
Again Steve, you trot out heavily biased sites, yet belittle others if the cite Fox News for a report!
I am sure if you take these heavily biased sites you use as, pun intended, the “Gosphel Truth”, you would think the mean old Christian Conservatives are coming to take over the world. Fortunatly, that is not the case. However, if you want to see a religion that IS trying to impose a governmental system on the world, look at Islam. But I digress.
Again, Poor “persecuted” Steve who thinks he is held to different standards. Actually, you are. If you were held to the same standards as others, you probably would have been banned.
As I said, it went over your head. Others got it, but you did not and now you pull the “persecuted” and “others are held to different standards” crap again. Thank you again for proving the point.
Still just opinionated allegations from heavily biased sources instead of historical precedent. Sorry Steve. History proves you wrong. Trying to prove your opinion by pointing to opinion instead of history is a distraction and not a supportive fact.
Whether you’re pointing to Fiasco or or a Michael Moore movie, without a historical example, you’re allegation is just the an example of the same distraction that you accuse of those you incorrectly and arbitrarily label as conservatives etc. Keep trying. Maybe if you read more than 2 or 3 books and some articles from Commondreams?
Why is it so hard for you to state your case, without tacking on that predictable last sentence? Is it, like, your tagline or something? Can you not tell how foolish you sound, everytime you do this?
Yes you have. “Bushie” is one of your favorite labels.
Yes, I have. Yes, I have. YES I HAVE!
This is a blog, Steve. The tone we set is up to us. Sometimes, I type my post in language I deem would be appropriate for a serious journal-type publication. Other times, I like to have fun with names and inject juvenile humor. That, too, should be taken in the spirit that its dished out, in. Quit being so uptight all the time.
If I refer to “President Bush” in a post, I am usually consistent in also saying “Senator Kerry”, “Senator Kennedy”. There’s a certain tone I am setting in the post. But I also use “informal” language in some posts, saying “Bush” or “Pelosi”, etc.
No. Just with mindless prattling predictability. Anyone of us could do a character impersonation of you and what you’ll say next.
As for the “deification” of Bush. I support my president. But you’re blind if you don’t recognize the amount of criticism he gets from the right. Somehow defending him on points where we believe he is correct on, amounts to worship?
As for “the cult of Obama”, I guess you don’t see it? “Hope”….”Faith”….those are words that also describe the Obama movement, besides “change”. People are resting their votes based solely on faith, when he’s done nothing in his previous 2 years on the Senate, that speaks to his leadership ability, beyond talking a good game. He makes people “feel good”. That’s what comes out of the mouths of his supporters when asked what policy issues they like about him.
I have a friend who is a volunteer in his campaign. A while ago, I sent her the “Yes I Can” video link. She said she cried when she watched it, and ended her e-mail with “I believe!”.
I saw a photo of a woman the other day who had tears streaming down her cheeks as she watched Obama speak.
I’d say this is the reaction of those who behave as if they are witnessing the Rapture or are attending a religious revival.
Hmmm… same friend who gave you the Valerie Plame lie fest?
Nope. Different one, Mike. I live in blue state California in the celebrity Hollywood part of the state. The number of conservatives I know here, I can count on one hand.
I was unable to find the best photo, describing this feeling of “religious rapture” some Obama supporters seem to experience when they hear him talk.
Here are a couple I did find:
A supporter of U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) cries as she listens to him at the Tulane University during a campaign event in New Orleans February 7, 2008.
REUTERS/Carlos Barria (UNITED STATES) US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN 2008 (USA)
An Obama supporter cries as she listens to the candidate’s speech during his campaign rally Friday, Feb. 8, at the Key Arena in Seattle. Both Obama and Clinton campaigned in Washington state as they prepared for contests there on Saturday.
Carlos Barria – Reuters
A supporter of U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) cries as she listens to his speech during a campaign rally at the Key Arena in Seattle, Washington February 8, 2008.
REUTERS/Carlos Barria (UNITED STATES) US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN 2008 (USA)
Ah the adoring Obamites!
Wordsmith: You’ll be proud of me. I sat next to an Obama supporter at dinner last Saturday. I never met one before. I behaved myself but couldn’t help mentioning that an unknown Obama in the White House would be as dangerous as a delusional Jimmy Carter.
John Gibson makes that point often Mike. Think I will do a post with his audio today. He always asks these young smitten voters if they voted for Jimmy, they all say they were to young. Explains why they are falling for the “rapture” of Obama.
Mike,
I’m always proud of you.
Completely agree with the author. It must be cult because I can’t see absolutely nothing worthy of presidency in this Obama man. All I see is a very good pastor/preacher, nothing more. I can listen to him for inspiration, but once he is out of the picture- I completely forget about him. I am totaly shocked to see mass people’s reaction to his messages.
There is a legitimate reason why people should not blindly vote for Barack Obama. I have been reporting all over the internet since before Obama decided to even run that it can be verified that IL. U.S. Senator Presidential Candidate Barack Obama , IL. U.S. Senator Dick Durbin co-chair Obama 2008 are being complicit in allowing the Illinois Department of Human Rights and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to treat me an American U.S. Hispanic citizen who reported incidents of race discrimination in the state of Illinois in an unequal, biased, & discriminatory manner by preventing me the same race discrimination charges non-Hispanics enjoy as a matter of record and then covering up their conduct. Despite there being ample time for each to respond, redress, and stop the above mentioned serious form of discrimination nothing ,to date, has been done to fairly & fully address, redress,and stop this still ongoing serious form of discrimination which has allowed Hormel Foods Corporation, UFCW, and Target Corporation to not be held accountable for race discrimination against me because I happen to be Hispanic. Inaction ,complicity, & deliberate silence on the part of (for instance but not limited to) Obama and Durbin are responsible for my American civil rights continuing to be violated in Illinois as it relates to this serious form of discrimination in their state of Illinois and for nothing being done to fully & fairly redress and stop this still ongoing form of discrimination against an American who happens to be a Hispanic in Illinois. Hispanics who Know are just showing they will not be willing victims of his “Good Judgement”. He has this still going on in Illinois as we speak but Barack Obama tells Hispanic/Latinos nothing about it! I repeat this is verifiable, ongoing and Barack Obama should address it but does not and you can guess why. Included is a link to just one example (If you happen to be a Hispanic in Illinois you have no race) this is on IDHR’s own website in the public domain.
http://www.state.il.us/dhr/Orders/2006/Oct_06/Zuniga,%20M.htm
Is it me– or are some of his posters similar to the old communist political posters?????? I feel like I have stepped back in time to a communist era. But then, looking at Obama’s socialist slant ( and Hillary’s) no big surprise there.
dems_lie: They don’t have the heavy “Workers” for world socialism that the old commie posters have, but it’s likely that some of that is part of the inspiration. After all, One of Obama’s offices had the Cuban Flag with the image of Che Guevera displayed in the reception area:
Mike, it is interesting to see this campaign as it goes. I honestly would have liked to see Mitt in the Office. However, as I watch what is going on- I am hoping for Obama to be the nominee. I feel that too many people will go with the no experience of either democratic candidate, however, more women will fall for the victim status that hillary has been working on over the years and many would vote a woman in ( as a woman, I have no problem with a female president- just not a hillary type). However, I think that Obama, ( and I hate to use the race card here) would have a harder time getting many to vote for a black man. I don’t think America is quite ready for a liberal black candidate. He falls in line with jesse jackson and al sharpton– only thing obama is missing is the “rev” title. Mc Cain- though not my first choice– is a better choice given that those that won’t vote for someone listed as the most liberal politician for 2007 and has a race issue will vote for Mc Cain. I hope that those voting in November start seeing the “socialist” theme of the Obama ( or for that matter Clinton) campaign. I would hate to see this country start having the issue of Western Europe.
I don’t know about that dems_lie. Thus far, no one has been able to touch Obama, either by using race tinged tactics or saying “Where’s the Beef.” Hillary has tried both and it’s like Obama is coated with Teflon. His supporters are not seeing him rationally and if Hillary can’t get them back down to earth, I don’t see what chance McCain has.
And you know that Obama would not be a Commander in Chief. More likely the Victim in Chief leading the cause of greivancemongers everywhere.
Here is my youtube video of the Obama Cult members from creepy to scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhjQJZEdg1I
Robx: Given that Hollywood Stars are so used to having their own “cult of personalities” around them, the video you posted was very illuminating on how even they are being drawn into BHO’s empty, yet “charismatic” sway.
Honestly, the comparison to a “cult leader” status isn’t that far off. The many documented cases of people “fainting” in the audience, the tears of adoration that are shed by those we might call his “followers.” Most of those who seem to be most radically enchanted with him are young, or disconnected (which are the same people that cult leaders traditionally target). His legislative achievements are virtually nil, and in spite of his record of being amongst the most radically left-wing in his votes, he somehow still is managing to sell this bi-partisan image.
His speeches are full of high-flying rhetoric, and of course heavily peppered with invocations of “hope” and “change” and little substance. But to pursue ill-defined “change” simply out of a desire to escape the present is the “hope” of the mad.
Perhaps it is the sign of some greater malady within the Democratic Party that they would forsake a legitimate “defined” candidate like Hillary Clinton for the likes of BHO (or just the finger-print of Howard Dean on the party he now chairs).
But, this slavish devotion, this overlooking of anything that comes out of BHO’s mouth; no matter how outrageous, definitely smacks of a cult-like devotion. Of course, very little of offense get to the general public, because the MSM, equally enthralled, always has his back.
Sure, my criticisms of him might be “typical,” but that does not lessen their validity. BHO supporters are quick to break out the race card, and engage in a shrill knee-jerk defense of him; but their justifications ring hollow, and make thin ice to base a Presidential nomination on…