A Story Too Perfect

I guess she is hoping that DePalma will pick this up to be a sequel to Redacted. Cuban to distribute. Perhaps entered into Sundance where Redford will fawn over it?

Sarandon’s too old, but perhaps Portman will play the lead?

Jones told ABCNews.com that an examination by Army doctors showed she had been raped “both vaginally and anally,” but that the rape kit disappeared after it was handed over to KBR security officers.

If the shipping container was not suspect, this really is. ANY positive rape result would go up SEVERAL chains of command instantly! KBR does not have “security officers” like some bad Hollywierd film and US Army CID would be all over this, as would NCIS, DOS Security, and EVERY other US Federal enforcement agency. KBR also would not be allowed to take the kit. These are marked and inventoried items. IF there was a breakdown in well documented accountability, “heads rolling” would be an understatement!!

Though I am sure in the fantasy land the left lives in, Hollywood movies are reality…..

24 hours without food or water

in 130 Deg temps and IN a shipping container?!? And she lived????

Add to this her own publicity seeking and already selling rights to a movie??!!??

Something is truly foul with this.

“all of us conservatives”?

“a loyal Republican”?

The story could be true, for what it matters. But you write like a true troll.

tjproudamerican,

“Can’t you read” you say? You DID READ, did you not, where Curt stated that IF this were true, THEN we would come down on her attackers. HOWEVER, just like the crap Newsweek pulled with the “Koran Flushing” and TNR pulled with their Hemmingway wannabe private, this story stinks to high heaven. Add to this the serious miscarrage of justice that was the Duke “rape” case and this alone leads us to wonder about ulterior motives.

IF an Army Doctor, several nurses, and other Soldiers violated the evidence handling of the rape kit, then they WILL go to Ft Leavenworth for the “Long PCS Tour”. THAT is the level of seriousness in the charges: Massive cover-ups with people who, if caught, will go to MILITARY PRISON. We see what happens to Marines when a made up case (Haditha) hits the fan, even AFTER many are cleared and it is found the slayings were a set-up by terrorists. Just think of what would happen IF Soldiers in Iba Sina violated not only UCMJ evidence handling regulations, but Federal laws.

She states the DOS went in to “rescue her” which means Blackwater went in to rescue her. Wonder what the left will think of that?

This COULD all be true, but there are too many strange things going on and too much of a false accusation history against anything and anyone fighting the terrorists.

We will see as the story progresses. Right now, with the history of the media and publicity seeking of the alleged victim, I have doubts.

In the end, the REAL victims may be women who are raped but no one believe them due to the many instances of false accusations for political reasons. And THAT is the tragic part.

If if if if if if

and in the meantime:she is a liar. And then you say the real victims are women who have been raped? What about a woman who waits two years, follows all the channels, is a patriot who went to the Middle East to serve her country? Let’s all doubt her, cast aspersions on her, denounce her, twist the facts to show her seeking publicity when anyone in their right minbd would know that you do not wait two years to seek publicity and that no woman I have ever met who was raped was not already ashamed.

Your attitude is: First let the horses out of the stable, and then if they are lost we will lock the door.

Why? Because we conservatives are good and even if one of our own makes an allegation we need to circle the wagons and let the person who suffered rot on their own.

To say, “You are a liar in the service to the enemies of America” is exactly what the Saudi Courts did. Wake up/

I am telling you, this issue better not become a “Conservatives love Gang Rape and cover-ups story.” You can say, let us wait to see what happened, but that is NOT what you are doing. You say: she stinks, the story stinks, who could possibly ever be raped.

It is shameful except we live in a time when there is no shame.

The Duke accuser never showed her face. This woman is brave, and as I say, I am positive she is a Republican. Do you really think democrat women went to Iraq looking to sue innocent men? Do you really think anyone would spend two years plodding through the federal beaurocracy while her father suffered knowing about her humiliation just to get her kicks and an easy pay day?

Wake up and try to remember what it feels like to be a human.

I know as a father of a daughter I am ashamed of these posts.

And as the brother of a woman who was really raped in college multiple times while I was deployed to Germany with the Army, let me say that the timing of all of this STINKS. It stinks along with EVERYTHING ELSE the left is doing. And the Duke rape victims went public long ago, or did you miss the media circus?

MAYBE if you read a little you will see that I laid out the multiple felonious breaking of UCMJ AND Federal Law by Doctors at Iba Sina ALONE would land most of the hospital command in jail for DECADES!!!! That fact alone leads me to wonder what the Hell is going on with the story. The accusations of this woman means multiple Article 32 Hearings would have been going on the MOMENT she contacted the Congressman!! Military justice moves fast and IF the Army Hospital did not follow evidence procedures then see the first sentence of this paragraph.

The DOS would also have instigated its own investigations since it conducted the rescue. Where are these findings? Maybe they will come out in the hearing.

I went to Rep Poe’s website and searched the site for “KBR” and “rape” and came up empty. It seems such an incident would be prominent on the congressman’s site, but it is not. It may be because most of his site is under construction also.

HOW DARE YOU accuse me and conservatives in general of loving “gang rape”. WE LOVE DUE process. There seems little here. I am trying to point out patterns of MSN and leftist activities in such cases where the left immediately affixes guilt to KBR, the US Military, and President Bush without trial, just as they did to defendants in the Duke case, the Haditha Case, the TNR stories, Newsweek’s koran stories… DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN?

How many times can they cry wolf and we still fall for the 1st story? Until more comes out in the discovery phase, all we can do is wait.

These allegations may be true and IF they are, then heads will roll for KBR and in the US Army. DOS may or may not, but that is politics.

Lastly, there are leftists in Iraq working at the DOS and other agencies. Most put patriotism above partisanship, but I met one who gleefully gloated that he was there to ensure we fail.

Good night, and PLEASE do some better reading before making these ignorant, trollish conservatism bashing remarks.

Save you pathetic, moronic insults. Your ignorance is only overshadowed by your arrogance and lack of ability to comprehend basic reading.

Let the courts do their job.

We will find out in the end.

If KBR employees did do this, then they should pay.

End of story.

Is Red State a Troll site? They have an excellent post supporting this woman.

And I notice you don’t let facts get in the way of your accusing the victim. Due Process does not mean attacking the victim.

You shout insults because you are impotent. To think that you learned nothing from other women’s suffering is pathetic.

“Heads will roll” is an empty threat when the Sharia Law lovers like yourself wage a war against the victim.

Prediction: every person who perpetrated this crime will get away with it because of people like the women haters here.

The more we find out about who she is and her real life and motives, the more hateful and small you who attack her seem.

What is the difference between Sharia Justice and your attacks? You are not honest enough to admit that you have tried and convicted this woman no matter what the evidence shows.

Curt/Chris – I’m a little confused about what is a “shipping container” as noted here:

Jamie Leigh Jones, now 22, says that after she was raped by multiple men at a KBR camp in the Green Zone, the company put her under guard in a shipping container with a bed and warned her that if she left Iraq for medical treatment, she’d be out of a job.

When I think of a “shipping container”, I think of something that is basically just like the back of a 16-wheeler truck. But from some of the comments over at The Jawa Report, some people seem to be saying that she made a phone call from the shipping container to her father to tell him about the rape and being locked in the shipping container and then he called the Congressman who then made the call to have someone get her released from the shipping container.

Am I missing something? Was there a phone in this shipping container for her to call her father? And if so, why would they allow her to call her father if they were trying to cover all this up?

I am guessing that there are a bunch of facts that are incorrect in this story and we need to give this time to allow all the facts to come out. But just reading this and then the last part where she sold this story to make a screenplay (!?!), my BS meter is pretty high. UNLESS, of course, the mass media is playing fast and loose with the facts in order to drum this up into a bigger story than it really is. Just as they did with Abu Ghraib. With Abu Ghraib, the Army was already handling that situation months prior to CBS even finding out about it. CBS acted like they had some kind of scoop, when, in fact, the newspapers had reported it months prior without any fanfare whatsoever. Until of course, CBS decided to splash the photos all over the world to demonize our military.

Someone at The Jawa Report said that, after reading her journal, he believes the story could be true, but that the mass media is just reporting many facts that are not true. That the simple story seems to be she was raped, there was some beauracracy holding up the prosecution of it and then some of the paperwork got lost between Iraq and D.C. But all the conspiracy stuff is probably not true at all.

Again, we have to wait for all the facts to come out. Until then, I can believe the rape may have happened, but I am still pretty shocked she would be so willing to sell this story as a screenplay. I have known two women who have been raped and they didn’t even want to talk about it, because it caused them to relive that nightmare. I can’t undersand how anyone would want their tragedy put into a screenplay for everyone to witness. Just so much in this story that does not make sense. Which is good reason for someone not to report on it at all before all the facts were known. Good ole mass media though. Can’t let that stand in the way of a juicy military rape story. Sheesh

Since reading comprehension seems beyond you: For the umpteeth time: ALL parties have to be assumed innocent. The ONLY ones passing guilt are YOU. When the case is finalized, THEN we will see what happened. I AM NOT assigning guilt or innocence to ANYONE but the media who I distrust beyond measure. It is because of them and partisan hacks on the left that my first instinct is to figure out why this comes out now.

I LIVED in the IZ this past year. As many rumors as there were in that place among civilians, I never heard this accusation. That does not mean it did not happen as Soldiers like me in outlying IZ Fobs and Civilians do not mix often.

And do not go pushing this bogus “Sharia law” and “woman hater” crap. I have been fighting Islamofascism and violence against women’s longer than you know. I have seen what Sharia law is and pledged my life to keep it from the US.

So, any more ignorance you wish to throw my way or will you actually start READING all I wrote?

What I have been saying is that past history and actions by the media make me HIGHLY distrustful of news stories. IF what she accuses KBR of doing is found to be true, then there WILL be repercussions. If she is telling the truth and KBR is found guilty, then they should get the maximum penalty. I am also VERY concerned that Military law was violated by the hospital. If so, then ART 32 hearings must start now. If the 32 comes up with enough evidence to move to full hearings, then the Hospital Staff at Iba Sina has A LOT to answer for.

I am not sure HOW MUCH MORE SIMPLY I CAN SAY THAT! Bullet points went right over your head. Will single syllable words help?

-Let the courts do their job.
-We will know in the end.
-Till then, we must not say KBR is guilty out of spite.
-Past lies by news makes me worry that story is false.
-Bad for girl as past lies by news makes it hard to know if tale is true.
-Hope truth comes out in the end.
-If they did it, then they should go to jail for life.
-If not, then she should not make dime from movie.

Okay, was that simple enough? I only said the same thing 5 times tonight.

Michael,

It is difficult to say what kind of container it was as the media reports are typically poorly written.

A standard 20-40ft container exists in great numbers all over, however, in the summer heat (as Marc and I noted above), this container would kill most people without a constant resupply of water. The sheer fact the DOS/Blackwater recovered her in such a condition would mean Iba Sina would have to notify a lot of people about the conditions of her captivity.

She could have been confined to a converted container with A/C, which would allow her to live in more comfortable conditions too, but the story is vague again.

The phone allegedly came from a guard who was sympathetic to her. It was a cell phone (cell service has been working in Iraq for a while). Cells work inside living containers, which are aluminum, but I never tried one in a steel shipping container.

It would really be nice if the media, which cannot usually tell the difference between an Abrams Tank and a Bradley IFV, would get such an important story correct the first time.

Chris – Thanks, I read a little bit more and realized that she was supposedly given the cell phone from a sympathetic guard.

But, I also read more and found that my previous timeline post was off, but this doesn’t make sense either:

November 9, 2005– I was seen by the workman’s comp surgeon and he wrote a report and informed Halliburton/ KBR that I needed a reconstructive surgery due to the assault/ rape that occurred in Iraq . At this point, I started to receive compensation; however workman’s comp did not pay for me to have the surgery until 7/7/2006.

February, 2007– I spoke with the state department and was told that my case had still not been presented to the AUSA for prosecution

March, 1, 2007- I contacted the state department and asked when my case would be presented to the AUSA- I was told my investigator was on vacation.

March 16,2007- I was told that my case was sent via FedEx to the AUSA in Florida . I was told that the AUSA was out but would review my case the week of 3/26

April, 25, 2005– I called and asked the state department what the status of my case was or who I could call that would know. I let them know that I was quite concerned since I hadn’t heard back from anyone in over a month.

April 26, 2005- The state department told me there s no update. “It is with the AUSA and I will call today but it is my experience that this is the time we want to be patient as their decision is the final one.”

April 30, 2007– I was required to submit to a nine and a half hour psychological evaluation in order to keep my workman’s compensation.

I am guessing that the April 2005s are just typos and she meant 2007, but my next question is what happened between NOV 2005 and FEB 2007 where there is a large gap. Did she wait over a year to contact the State Dept about her rape case? That seems unlikely?

“I beats me how this could have been covered up as the DOS would have given up information like this in oversight reports and Dem operatives in the DOS would leak it out during the 06 elections.”

Wow, excellent point. I didn’t even think about that, but that’s exactly what the Dems would have done to dump on the war effort.

And I also agree with you on the arrogance of the attackers. Just like most military blogs ripped the deformed woman story by Beauchamp as being ridiculous, because the soldier supposedly making fun of her was ridiculously arrogant and would have gotten beaten by his fellow soldiers for being such an ass. I know many guys in the military and they are all protective of fellow female soldiers like sisters, so I just can’t figure out how this would have gotten covered up this badly.

So much stinks about this. What got me though was the last part about her selling the rights to the story. Now I don’t know all rape victims, but the two I have known would never have wanted to have their pain relived in a movie. I just don’t get all this.

Hopefully more facts will come out about this soon, because this could get ugly if the Left takes it and runs with it.

Fascinating looking at the trackbacks from the leftist websites and the crap they are posting. Fascinating and sickening to see their lies and twists.

Memo to leftists: READ READ READ what has been said!!!! Your inability to THINK logically and understand why we are suspicious of the timing while stating we “support gang rape” is beyond STUPID! Your efforts to project your stupidity on us are arrogant and idiotic.

You disgust me. You have disgusted me every time you jump on these “bash those trying to defend your sorry asses” bandwagon. At no time did we EVER say this could not have happened. We DID state that the courts must do their jobs, but the movie deal and timing aspects (coming after the NIE was debunked) make us wonder a lot.

Also, do not go on with the Sharia crap. The left ABANDONED women’s rights after 9-11 when you found you might actually have to fight islamofascists to preserve them. Your islamofascist allies from the Muslim Student Association (member of ANSWER), CAIR, college professors, photos from your “anti-war” protests, the left’s insane reaction to Islamofascism Awareness Week, the left’s collusion with islamofascist groups and socialist dictators, and the funding your groups receive from organizations which promote militant Islam and Sharia all lead us to wonder many things.

There is a few Arabic words your islamofascist “allies” did not teach you, but you practice. One is “Taqqiyah”, or deliberate deception. This is what you are pushing on you readers as I read the trackbacks. The fact you already had “talking points” and came prepared with insults also makes me wonder.

The second word is “Dhimmi” or a non-islamic who submits their freedom to the Ummah and is allowed to live as something above a slave. It sums up the left well. Where is the left on the creeping Sharia in the US? Where are they on the rapidly advancing Sharia in Europe? Where were you on all the women who Clinton allegedly raped and covered up? The answer is you are SILENT at best, complicit dhimmis at worst.

So, in closing, READ and COMPREHEND why we are wondering about the validity of the case. The fact it IS an actual case now should help ferret out the truth. I do not know the truth and am suspending judgment on ALL parties as it pertains to the case (I think I have now said that several times) . However, past experience with these sensationalist cases proved too many are made up. There are animals out there and if they ARE guilty, then they need to be punished.

Was that simple enough for you?

This woman is brave, and as I say, I am positive she is a Republican. Do you really think democrat women went to Iraq looking to sue innocent men?

I’m sure I’m reading this wrong, but are you saying you are sure she is a republican because she went to Iraq to sue innocent men?

tjproudamerican,

As I said above, reading comprehension is not your strong point at all and the only one with delusions is YOU. Even small words went over your head, but believe what you will and go have fun in your delusions that we are hate mongers.

End of Story.

see Red State’s coverage for an actual sympathetic conservative take on this event and not the pretend sympathetic take here.

I’m sorry, I meant to comment on this. What???? Why on earth would anyone want a “take” on this event? It either happened or it didn’t.

Sue,

The trolls live in a fantasy and have slight trouble with reading as I stated above (again and again and again). Our supposed “concerned”, “sympathetic” troll has already judged the defendents guilty and wants blood. Just looking at the trackbacks to the leftist sites shows they do not care about courts, that there is a history of false stories coming out, or anything else. In their view, guilt is automatic so long as it is KBR who is charged and damn anyone who wonders about the whys and hows of this. We are just “evil” “gang rape lovers” and “women haters” for wondering how the Hell this happened and why it comes out at this time. Since I lived in the same area a year and a half later and led female Soldiers, I am damned concerned on how it happened. However, “thinking” with emotions will not bring justice. Asking questions is not a sin. Distrusting the media and the motives of the left is prudent considering how many fake stories came out of Iraq when I was there.

Now they are trying to say I am a not an “actual sympathetic conservative” which is pure BS and digusting to everything I hold dear.

Pure garbage and lies, but what else can I expect from them?

ChrisG,

Yeah. Don’t ask questions. Just accept blindly what you are spoonfed. Oh wait. I think I’m describing a democrat.

In case you are forgeting, TJproudamerican. People here are giving Jaime Jones the benefit of the doubt as stated in both the post and the replies to your comments. I personally feel awful about cases like these. However, no side has been proven guilty yet. Also TJproudamerican, your rebuts against why Curt and Chris G feel this story is fishy are ridiculous.

The points that Curt brought up didn’t defame anybody’s character and last time I checked, you may make comments freely without doing harm to another person’s reputation. Just a friendly reminder, in this country we believe in keeping people who are accused of a crime innocent until proven guilty. I suggest you do the same and quit “Accusing” Curt of wrong doing that he didn’t do. Just like how he is holding Jaime Jones innocent until proven not.

tjproudamerican,

No, I am not subtle. I am also NOT here to defend KBR. I have had my own dealings with them and am happy not to be in charge of the contracts the government has with them.

I ALSO DID NOT SAY THE WOMAN WAS A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! You ASSUME I “believe” this even though I did NOT EVER say she lied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that not subtle enough? Do you get the point?

However, I am continually amazed at your lack of ability to comprehend. I refered to the trackbacks. I used KBR, who is the primary defendent in the case, to wonder if you would automatically assume guilt on them the next time they were attacked. I am sorry if you were unable to understand this. How about I just use the word “defendant”? Is that easier?

You did not say “KBR”, though you brought up “Sharia law” and that I supported it which is disgusting. I have not seen anyone call for three or more male witnesses to testify for her or call for her to be stoned.

Are there issues with the courts on this case? Absolutly! I have conducted sexual misconduct investigations and by law they are maximum priority in the US Military at least. I literally gave my company command to my XO and investigated a case in another company. I got 2 weeks to come forth with findings by the regulations. In actuality, I only had less than 10 days. The investigation of this case became my sole job for the period. I am not sure what the DOS standards are for their prosecuter, but I doubt “taking a vacation” plays into them. However, seeing the DOS “work” in Iraq, I am not surprised. Disgusted, but not surprised.

However, as I continually stated (even using short, bullet points), past history goes against her as too many of these cases are found to be lies with many being politically driven. I also brought up that Iba Sina Hospital could be criminally liable (with nothing to gain from a cover up) if they did not report/track this case properly. The DOS could also be held liable for improper proceedures and subject to an agency wide investigation.

Why were US Service Members who attacked civilians so openly prosecuted, yet this never even showed up until now? Is Military Justice that much more efficient than the DOS? Maybe the case will vett this out and the DOS will be investigated until it is fully reformed…. Probably not, but time will tell.

This sentence says it all:

I do not think it is even possible that she is lying because it is humiliating to make your family suffer through news reports of how you were anally and vaginally penetrated by a group of attackers.

There ya have it. They are guilty as charged because its just not possible she is lying…..

How naive. I mean really, the naiveness is startling.

I have a feeling you said the same thing about Crystal Mangum.

Cernig Said; “Nice way to support the troops and their families there, guys…”

-Looking at the logic behind this statement, I’d guess that you don’t support the troops and their families. After all, both Curt and Chris G. have done military service in their lives. With Chris still being in the service. At the same time, you are treating Curt and Chris with the same vile that you falsely accuse them of treatimg Mrs. Jones with.

However, I am not going to jump to conclusions. Maybe you do support the military. I don’t know, and I don’t really care. I just know that if I were to come back from service in Iraq and hear a lot of the “Slug-Slime” that the people who are really far left are spewing out then I would feel that they don’t support me and my brothers and sisters in arms. Every bit as much as the people they claim don’t support me.

In the end, it won’t matter. After I grauate college with a Bachelors in Kinesiology then I will pass Basic Underwater Demolition/Seal Academy and I will become a Navy Seal Team Corpsman as well as; a Rifle Man and a Charlie Eighteen Engineer. So I won’t care who supports me, I will have the only support I will need for the rest f my life. That is the support from other members of the Armed Forces who I will serve with. I am done with this thread.

Best Regards,
Seal Patriot

P.S.- I hope they catch the people who did this to her, no matter who it is or if she is falsely accusing anybody. She still deserves justice.

Heh. I love it when the right eats there own.

The reading comprehension impaired trolls continue their stupidity..

New to the list of fools today are:

Joe Wilson
Jeannie
Pi314