First came the catcalls from the left stating that Bush was torturing al-Qaeda without the knowledge of Congress. Then most recently there were the catcalls from the left that it was Bush who wanted those CIA tapes destroyed.
Recently we found out that the White House actually told the CIA that it was a bad idea to destroy them, and now we learn that Pelosi and friends knew full well about the interrogation techniques employed by the CIA:
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA’s overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.
“The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough,” said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.~~~
Yet long before “waterboarding” entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.
With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan).
Individual lawmakers’ recollections of the early briefings varied dramatically, but officials present during the meetings described the reaction as mostly quiet acquiescence, if not outright support. “Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing,” said Goss, who chaired the House intelligence committee from 1997 to 2004 and then served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006. “And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement.
This is what time does to people. They forget.
In 2002 we were months removed from 9/11. al-Qaeda had killed thousands of our citizens and we were rightly concerned of any other plots being hatched by these madmen. Democrats and Republicans alike. They knew the threat and understood that it took a bit more then asking “pretty please” to get information from madmen.
Years later, with 9/11 a distant memory to some people, the Democrats don’t care anymore. It’s back to believing that another attack is impossible and questions like “how could Bush allow such brutal interrogation methods?” are being thrown around.
It’s sad really. These techniques will no longer be used because of these idiotic partisan attacks, and information we dearly need against further attacks will be lost.
And we’re back to September 10th, 2001.
rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Sun Dec-09-07 10:27 AM
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10. But the real question here is, is the Democratic Party willing to challenge Pelosi
in the primaries with the possibility of replacing her? I say no. I say even if we decided she was the worst person in the world, she’d get the backing of the Democratic Party in her next primary.
Is there any Democratic movement in her district or state to challenge her??
Now they want Pelosi’s head on a stake and are throwing roses at Harman, when a year ago they were all clapping that Nancy replaced Harman because she was a warmongering Bush lover.
And with all the evidence that many politicians knew about the CIA tapes Joe Biden is fanning the BDS:
Biden calls for special counsel to investigate destruction of interrogation tapes: “I think this is one case where it really does call for a special counsel. I think this leads right into the White House.”