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David
16 years ago
The wheels were never on to bring with.
David
16 years ago
Sorry … “were never on to begin with.”
scrapiron
16 years ago
The wheels are falling off all over the place. The republicans finally told the dhimmi’s in no uncertain terms that an attack on America due to reduction/banning of the spooks ability to track terrorists (Crazy democrat rants of the past four years to kill all NSA, CIA, FBI programs to protect the American people) would all fall on them. Funny how fast they can revive the NSA/FISA program when they see the American people coming with everything from a hammer to a machine gun, and the fact that this country is on the verge of civil war (with them as the first targets) woke some of them up. The democrats were, and are, close to getting what they have been asking for since baby Al lost an election in 2000. It won’t be pretty.
“Democrats may have overplayed their defeat and surrender hand and may be left with no more cards to play in 2008.”
The Democrats own defeat. They’re hoping for it, they’re praying for it, and everyone knows this. It’s this dilemma that they’re in over Iraq that’s the real “quagmire.”
They’ve hitched their wagons to the radical anti-war crowd; they’ve cast their lot with the nutroots. As the surge progresses, the Democrats will become even more irrelevant, having accomplished exactly nothing for their rabid anti-war crowd, and only succeeding in angering and alienating the more sensible people who, disgruntled as we are at the past mistakes the Bush Administration has made in Iraq, know that the stakes are too high to forgo giving the new counterinsurgency strategy a chance to work.
Nothing will convince the vehemently anti-war critics, but as the O’Hanlon and Pollack piece, as well as Keith Elliso’s remarks indicate, the rhetoric of the rather larger group of skeptics and agnostics is beginning to change from “lost hope” to “begrudging acceptance.”
Truer words have not been spoken Angevin….The Democrats own defeat now. Mike, beautifully put:
Democrats may have overplayed their defeat and surrender hand and may be left with no more cards to play in 2008. Or will we witness the comedic farce of Democrats who voted for the war, then vehemently opposed it all of a sudden claiming they supported it all along?
Any attempt by them to tell us that “hey, it was all a big misunderstanding, we really never wanted to leave until the job was done” will be met with huge laughter.
Curt: As laughable as the transparent flip flop would be, you can bank on it that they will try.
Something along the lines of John Kerry’s 2004 campaign theme that Democrats somehow wanted to do it “better.”
Never mind that their blind opposition has stifled the political progress key to Victory and emboldened the enemy making the entire thing last longer and be more costly in lives and treasure.
P.S. Wordsmith: If we do err, I’d rather it be for the cause of victory, not defeat. Thanks for the link to Thomas Sowell. That’s a gem of a column.
My favorite after your quote is:
Senator Reid feared that the surge would turn out not to be a failure — and the Democrats had bet everything, including their chances in the 2008 elections, on an American defeat in Iraq.
Senator Reid had to pre-empt defeat before General Petraeus could report progress. The Majority Leader’s failure to get the Senate to do that suggests that not enough others were convinced that declaring failure now was the right political strategy.
An optimist might even hope that some of the Senators thought it was wrong for the country.
Some Senators thought defeat was “wrong for the country?” Imagine that.
I’ve been saying for some time now that the one and only driving principle behind Democrats is the acquisition and holding of political power. They will toss over every other value, even the most cherished planks of the liberal platform to achieve it.
Any attempt by them to tell us that “hey, it was all a big misunderstanding, we really never wanted to leave until the job was done” will be met with huge laughter.
They own it, lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
Curt, I had to laugh at your “smoking barrels”. The smoke is not going to clear fast enough—–prepare to reload. Our current crop of defeatist are attempting to frame that anything General Petraeus reports in September will be politically motivated. While nothing could be further from the truth, the “Andrew Sullivans” of the world are still out there cheerleading for a U.S. defeat and attacking Petraeus, despite his accomplishments.
Expect the next suicide bomber to get extensive front-page coverage and the slightest setback to produce another “round” of “Bush’s War still failing” headlines.
People are finally realizing that the filtered propaganda spewed by the MSM (via Jamil Hussein mentality) are losing what little credibility they carried in that “bucket full of holes”
Just a quick check of the usual suspects shows you are right about the defeatists and the Petraeus September Report.
I saw one leftie site which suggested that no general working under the current Commander in Chief could be trusted, therefore an “Independent” report is needed. I suppose these nuts want a Special Counsel appointed for Iraq now too.
But I don’t think that is going to fly. Look at the statements of both House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.)and Burns, the NYTimes guy in Baghdad.
Serious individuals in the Democrat Party, and there are some, not many, but some, realize that their tactics can backfire.
So by all means, keep plenty of ammunition handy. Stock up now.
Scott Malensek
16 years ago
I’ll put my money on Dems claiming that whatever Gen P suggests as the next move…they declare that the idea was theirs years ago. Might even be true since they’ve suggested everything from nuking Baghdad (Scott Ritter’s 2002 book), to sending more troops (Oct 06), to withdrawing all combat troops and leaving 50-100,000 troops in place with no combat troops to protect them (BRILLIANT PLAN-it’s in the new Simpsons movie, no?). You watch, they’ll claim that the next move towards success is one of theirs, and they’ll say W blew it off to get more money for Haliburton etc. yada yada yada
ChrisG
16 years ago
Scott,
Do not forget that every prominent Democrat who now opposes everything we are doing and states “Bush Lied” all said the exact same things President Bush stated in justifications for Iraq.
“I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. … Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons.”
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002 http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/
cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=H7777&dbname=2002_record
*Note, Pelosi and every other leftist seems to forget that they had Presidential level access to all the same intelligence and evidence Presidents Clinton and Bush had. Speaking of President Clinton:
“In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now — a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.
If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program.”
“People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons.”
If the left would stop being “sheeple” for just a few minutes, they would see that calling President Bush a “liar and a criminal” means that their own idols and leaders in the socialist Democratic party are even more guilty as they perpetrated a “lie” through two administrations.
The wheels were never on to bring with.
Sorry … “were never on to begin with.”
The wheels are falling off all over the place. The republicans finally told the dhimmi’s in no uncertain terms that an attack on America due to reduction/banning of the spooks ability to track terrorists (Crazy democrat rants of the past four years to kill all NSA, CIA, FBI programs to protect the American people) would all fall on them. Funny how fast they can revive the NSA/FISA program when they see the American people coming with everything from a hammer to a machine gun, and the fact that this country is on the verge of civil war (with them as the first targets) woke some of them up. The democrats were, and are, close to getting what they have been asking for since baby Al lost an election in 2000. It won’t be pretty.
“Democrats may have overplayed their defeat and surrender hand and may be left with no more cards to play in 2008.”
The Democrats own defeat. They’re hoping for it, they’re praying for it, and everyone knows this. It’s this dilemma that they’re in over Iraq that’s the real “quagmire.”
They’ve hitched their wagons to the radical anti-war crowd; they’ve cast their lot with the nutroots. As the surge progresses, the Democrats will become even more irrelevant, having accomplished exactly nothing for their rabid anti-war crowd, and only succeeding in angering and alienating the more sensible people who, disgruntled as we are at the past mistakes the Bush Administration has made in Iraq, know that the stakes are too high to forgo giving the new counterinsurgency strategy a chance to work.
Nothing will convince the vehemently anti-war critics, but as the O’Hanlon and Pollack piece, as well as Keith Elliso’s remarks indicate, the rhetoric of the rather larger group of skeptics and agnostics is beginning to change from “lost hope” to “begrudging acceptance.”
The wheels are indeed coming off.
I like this opening statement in Thomas Sowell’s latest:
Truer words have not been spoken Angevin….The Democrats own defeat now. Mike, beautifully put:
Any attempt by them to tell us that “hey, it was all a big misunderstanding, we really never wanted to leave until the job was done” will be met with huge laughter.
They own it, lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
Curt: As laughable as the transparent flip flop would be, you can bank on it that they will try.
Something along the lines of John Kerry’s 2004 campaign theme that Democrats somehow wanted to do it “better.”
Never mind that their blind opposition has stifled the political progress key to Victory and emboldened the enemy making the entire thing last longer and be more costly in lives and treasure.
P.S. Wordsmith: If we do err, I’d rather it be for the cause of victory, not defeat. Thanks for the link to Thomas Sowell. That’s a gem of a column.
My favorite after your quote is:
Some Senators thought defeat was “wrong for the country?” Imagine that.
I’ve been saying for some time now that the one and only driving principle behind Democrats is the acquisition and holding of political power. They will toss over every other value, even the most cherished planks of the liberal platform to achieve it.
Curt, I had to laugh at your “smoking barrels”. The smoke is not going to clear fast enough—–prepare to reload. Our current crop of defeatist are attempting to frame that anything General Petraeus reports in September will be politically motivated. While nothing could be further from the truth, the “Andrew Sullivans” of the world are still out there cheerleading for a U.S. defeat and attacking Petraeus, despite his accomplishments.
Expect the next suicide bomber to get extensive front-page coverage and the slightest setback to produce another “round” of “Bush’s War still failing” headlines.
People are finally realizing that the filtered propaganda spewed by the MSM (via Jamil Hussein mentality) are losing what little credibility they carried in that “bucket full of holes”
Which is why I love the term —– RELOAD!
Rovin: Absolutely. RELOAD!
Just a quick check of the usual suspects shows you are right about the defeatists and the Petraeus September Report.
I saw one leftie site which suggested that no general working under the current Commander in Chief could be trusted, therefore an “Independent” report is needed. I suppose these nuts want a Special Counsel appointed for Iraq now too.
But I don’t think that is going to fly. Look at the statements of both House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.)and Burns, the NYTimes guy in Baghdad.
Serious individuals in the Democrat Party, and there are some, not many, but some, realize that their tactics can backfire.
So by all means, keep plenty of ammunition handy. Stock up now.
I’ll put my money on Dems claiming that whatever Gen P suggests as the next move…they declare that the idea was theirs years ago. Might even be true since they’ve suggested everything from nuking Baghdad (Scott Ritter’s 2002 book), to sending more troops (Oct 06), to withdrawing all combat troops and leaving 50-100,000 troops in place with no combat troops to protect them (BRILLIANT PLAN-it’s in the new Simpsons movie, no?). You watch, they’ll claim that the next move towards success is one of theirs, and they’ll say W blew it off to get more money for Haliburton etc. yada yada yada
Scott,
Do not forget that every prominent Democrat who now opposes everything we are doing and states “Bush Lied” all said the exact same things President Bush stated in justifications for Iraq.
http://www.freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html
Note the date on the very first quote (I forget when President Bush made a similar quote but I think Hillary beat him to it):
“Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price.”
Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
September 13, 2001
http://www.wavsource.com/news/20010911a.htm
“I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. … Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons.”
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/
cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=H7777&dbname=2002_record
*Note, Pelosi and every other leftist seems to forget that they had Presidential level access to all the same intelligence and evidence Presidents Clinton and Bush had. Speaking of President Clinton:
“In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now — a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.
If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program.”
President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/
And:
“People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons.”
Former President Clinton
During an interview on CNN’s “Larry King Live”
July 22, 2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/23/clinton.iraq.sotu/
If the left would stop being “sheeple” for just a few minutes, they would see that calling President Bush a “liar and a criminal” means that their own idols and leaders in the socialist Democratic party are even more guilty as they perpetrated a “lie” through two administrations.