Posted by Curt on 24 January, 2006 at 7:03 pm. 4 comments already!


While at work I was blissfully unaware of the storm Joel Stein from my own Socialist paper, the LA Times, has created. Pop up the newsreader and whoa. At first my reaction was pure anger, but I have now come to realize that I’m glad one of these lefties has finally admitted it.

I DON’T SUPPORT our troops. This is a particularly difficult opinion to have, especially if you are the kind of person who likes to put bumper stickers on his car. Supporting the troops is a position that even Calvin is unwilling to urinate on.

I’m sure I’d like the troops. They seem gutsy, young and up for anything. If you’re wandering into a recruiter’s office and signing up for eight years of unknown danger, I want to hang with you in Vegas.

And I’ve got no problem with other people ? the ones who were for the Iraq war ? supporting the troops. If you think invading Iraq was a good idea, then by all means, support away. Load up on those patriotic magnets and bracelets and other trinkets the Chinese are making money off of.

But I’m not for the war. And being against the war and saying you support the troops is one of the wussiest positions the pacifists have ever taken ? and they’re wussy by definition. It’s as if the one lesson they took away from Vietnam wasn’t to avoid foreign conflicts with no pressing national interest but to remember to throw a parade afterward.

He then goes on to tell us that shocker of all shocks, he doesn’t support the war, so why should he support those who fight for the war, blah blah and more blah. But the part that still gets me angry is this:

I’m not advocating that we spit on returning veterans like they did after the Vietnam War, but we shouldn’t be celebrating people for doing something we don’t think was a good idea. All I’m asking is that we give our returning soldiers what they need: hospitals, pensions, mental health and a safe, immediate return. But, please, no parades.

Seriously, the traffic is insufferable.

Yes, why should we celebrate those who have volunteered to lay down their lives to protect this country at a moments notice?

I believe these soldiers deserve the biggest parade imaginable for the work they have done, for the sacrifices they have endured, and to honor those who have fallen freeing a nation from a brutal dictator and sowing the seeds of Democracy in a region that sorely needs it.

But that’s just me.

I am grateful tho that at least someone on the left finally admits their true feelings. We know they ALL feel this way, and like Stein is alluding to, they are just too scared to admit it.

In one part of his diatribe he opines that Kosovo was worth it because we ended ethnic genocide. Of course his blind hatred for Bush allows him to disregard news that mass graves have been uncovered in Iraq totalling 300,000 dead, at last count. Would that count as genocide to him? Does he know the amount of dead found in mass graves in Kosovo?


Nah, no ethnic cleansing in Iraq….sigh

We all know you guys on the left are nothing but scared little America hating pieces of turds, but at least one of you has the balls to admit this is what they are.

Hugh Hewitt interviewed this lefty and had some interesting thoughts afterwards:

As I suspected, Mr. Stein really doesn’t know anyone on active duty, hasn’t been to any bases or any of the service academies, hasn’t met with wounded or returning troops, and generally admits to being blissfully ignorant of the military. He could not recount a single book he has read about the military, and doesn’t even know how big it is. He thinks the soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines who have died in the GWOT have died in vain. He does not feel grateful for their service.

You can read the transcript here.

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What other’s had to say:

Mark from Mexico

Does this mean he celebrates every time one of our young men and women is shot to death or blown to bits? Or does the death of an American soldier fill him with disquiet? Or maybe a flag-draped coffin just gives him a bit of indigestion. But, perhaps not, since he holds our soldiers ultimately to blame.


What is wrong with honoring the job our troops have done in Iraq? They went there to defeat a truly evil ruler prone to feeding political dissidents into plastic shredders and ordering rapes as a solution to voters who cast their ballots the wrong way, and defeat him they did. Since that defeat our troops have been engaged in rebuilding roads, sewer systems, schools and hospitals. They have also given Iraqi citizens the opportunity to elect representatives to write a constitution, design a government and then elect people to serve in that government all while protecting these same citizens from monsters who would use terror attacks to prevent democracy from flourishing in the middle easts.

In From The Cold

You may recall that Bill Clinton told us that military action was necessary in the Balkans because the Serbs had killed “tens of thousands” in Kosovo. His administration even offered satellite photos of alleged mass graves. Of course, that intelligence wasn’t flawed, was it? And no one could accuse Clinton of lying to get us into a war against a country that posed absolutely no threat to our national security. Does Stein have a double standard?

Gina Cobb

But he’s clear about this: He doesn’t support the troops who pulled dictator Saddam Hussein from his miserable hole. If Mr. Stein had his way, Iraqis would not be voting and running their own democracy now. They’d still be cowering from a dictator and his henchmen. Saddam Hussein would be doing whatever he pleased to develop his nuclear, chemical and biological programs. He’d still be running training camps for terrorists. He’d still be funding homicide bombers in Israel at $25,000 for each homicide attack.


I get mad realizing that I have matured to the point were I wouldn’t actually punch this clown if I met him. I don’t know what satisfaction I would gain, but I can guarantee he’s has never had his ass chewed by anyone near my ability. I made a Ranger cry, this clown will likely offer me the MoveOn battle plans.

Protein Wisdom

Stein?s showy pacificism?which has been well-documented elsewhere?is the height of contempt, by those who presume to enjoy the benefits of the social contract?for their fellow citizens. So while Stein is boisterously ?honest? in his opening salvo??I DON?T SUPPORT THE TROOPS??what he is not telling you is that he doesn?t support those of you who do support the troops (be it a sincere support, or trailer park jingoism fueled by Budweiser pony-keg patriotism), nor those of you who, like him, don?t support the troops. Because in fact, the position Stein takes, when he says that supporting the troops ?is one of the wussiest positions the pacifists have ever taken,? is that his own sense of preening moral rectitude is only ethical position to assume in a democracy whose elected leaders have chosen, in the national interest, to fight for the security of the nation, be it at home or abroad.

Sparks From The Anvil

Pacifism creates violence and wars as much as anything else ever has. The pacifists like to hold up images of babies killed from U.S. bombs. Where were they when Saddam for the past few decades caused the deaths of many times more in innocent men, women, and children lives? And if they had their way, how many more decades of the cruelty, the torture, and the murders would they have put up with? And after Saddam’s reign…another generation of it, under his sons’ rule? And there is no question that Saddam’s regime sought possession of those weapons we failed to find. In a nuclear age, we cannot afford to wait until the threat becomes imminent. By then, it is too late to act.

The Unalienable Right

First, we must applaud Mr. Stein for at least being honest. Sure, his viewpoint is morally confused drivel, but at least he doesn?t hide his real view, like so many on the left do these days: ?This is an illegal, immoral, unjust, fascist, Hitler-esque, neo-con war to enrich Bush?s oil buddies – but I support the troops!? It?s that formulation that?s truly insulting.


Out of the mouths of babes – buckets of ignorance fall out. What have those “fighting tools of Amerian Imperialism” done? Even if I start after World War II : They freed South Korea. Boy, lots of oil there. In 1956, we told England and France to get out of the Suez. We went to Vietnam, and should have stayed and kept the South free. But we didn’t and millions died because of our lack of backbone. We built the UN and started the idea of international law. We can’t help it if 35% of the UN nations are dictators and have warped its intended meaning. We insisted that England transform her colonies to free states. We invaded Panama and kicked out a dictator – now the place is a democracy. We freed Kuwait from a brutal dictator. We invaded Afghanistan, and gave them a democracy. We invaded Iraq, and gave them a democracy. We invaded Grenada, and gave them a democracy. We invaded Bosnia and Kosovo, stopped genocide and gave them democracies when the Europeans stood shivering behind their doors saying “Do something”. We have kicked out dictatorship after dictatorship. To Stein, that is “imperialism”. As Victor Davis Hanson says “if that is Imperialism, it’s an awfully strange Imperialism”.


Come on, we’ve all been suspicious of all the “support the troops, oppose the war” types. Deep down many of us have suspected that really they hate the troops — enforcers of American imperialism — as much as they hate the war. At least Joel Stein finally admits it in no less a forum than the Los Angeles Times.

Other’s Blogging:

I believe these soldiers deserve the biggest parade imaginable for the work they have done, for the sacrifices they have endured, and to honor those who have fallen freeing a nation from a brutal dictator and sowing the seeds of Democracy in a region that sorely needs it.

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