Jay Cost:
The Trump campaign and the leadership of the Republican National Committee are working hard to pressure delegates to vote for Trump. The race is over, they say. The voters have rendered their judgment. Delegates do not have the right to nullify this verdict. Now is the time to rally around Trump and unify the party.
Trump and the RNC leadership are wrong. The delegates should feel free to vote their consciences, and the rules and history of the Republican National Convention support their right to do so. In a separate entry, I will focus on the rules and the history of the convention, while here I will examine the moral responsibilities of convention delegates.
The claims of the Trump boosters ultimately boil down to: Because this is a democracy, the people have spoken, and delegates are morally obliged to follow their instructions, regardless of what their consciences claim. This thinking is faulty. In truth, the people have not really spoken, and, even if they had, this is not actually a democracy. Let’s take each point in turn.
First, Trump did not win a majority of the vote. He claimed slightly less than 45 percent of the primary vote, which is less than any presumptive nominee in the modern era. People can have a legitimate debate about the moral demands attending a majority vote—but Trump scored a plurality victory, and an unimpressive one at that.
The truth is that there is not much of a moral sanction for a plurality victory. The winner of such a contest cannot be said to represent the people. If anything, the people as a whole rendered no verdict on the question presented to them. Granted, this first-past-the-post approach to elections is common in our country, but its use is not universal. First-past-the-post is employed not because it is moral, but merely because it is convenient. Declaring that a plurality winner is the victor does not require a costly second round of voting, and it typically favors the two major parties (which happen to write the election laws!).
There are other ways to organize the vote, and they are just as legitimate. Importantly, the constitutional system to elect the president is not first-past-the-post. A candidate must win an outright majority of electors, otherwise the House of Representatives makes the final determination.
What Trump really won is a majority of pledged delegates, so he is not asserting moral sanction but alegal sanction—and a specious one at that. Trump and the RNC are ultimately not relying upon the principle of majority rule, but the fact that the RNC laws call for a first-past-the-post system. But in fact, they do not. That will be the subject of my next essay.
Second, it is true that in a democracy, the people rule—but our system is not a democracy. It is a representative republic. Of course, the people play an important role in our system—as the Declaration of Independence argues, all political power flows ultimately from the people. But the Founding Fathers rejected the notion of vox populi, vox dei. The people were prone to make mistakes and could often form self-interested factions that were dangerous to the welfare of the whole community.
Our system of government employs a vast array of checks and balances to channel the demands of the people into public policy that works for the benefit of all. Crucially, the first line of constitutional defense is the principle of representation. As James Madison writes in Federalist 10, one advantage of a representative republic over direct democracy is that representation may
refine and enlarge the public views, by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens, whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country, and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations.
This is an important point. The duty of a representative is not simply to reflect public opinion, but to find a way to “refine and enlarge” it, by aggregating the often selfish and ill-informed views of the people into a final judgment that serves their true interests. Trump supporters will denounce this as “elitism,” but they are arguing against the Constitution they claim to revere. This is a bedrock principle of our republic.
Edmund Burke expands on this idea in the Address to the Electors of Bristol, where he rejects the notion that voters may instruct him on how to vote in Parliament:
@Greg:This is too good:
Is that sentence in English?
@Redteam:
I have a third choice; not to take either one of them.
44%, a plurality not a majority, is not now, and has never, been a guarantee of the nomination. What is different now? Had you gone back and read my post #33 you would have known that.
OK, so you don’t know who Paul Manafort is? Are you too damn lazy to look him up? 2016 is nothing more than a repeat of 2012. And the biggest loser is the grass roots.
I have given you great information on not only what happened in the Rules Committee, but what is happening at the convention itself. I have talked about it. LOOK IT UP. Guess you missed it. Not my problem. You’ve just turned into a hateful Trump supporter lobbing insults at others when they don’t agree with you. And the more you T-rump supporters continue to insult those of us who know what a disaster he will be, like the T-rump supporters did today at the convention, the more votes T-rump is going to lose.
Congratulations, you’re helping Hillary get elected.
@Redteam, #51:
It was a sentence until the word “know” was inadvertently omitted. Try this instead:
Trump makes his big entrance. A shadow without details. Entirely appropriate. A Freddy Mercury tune, as the entry theme for a GOP candidate? Not so much.
Freddy Mercury would be indignant. Queen’s guitarist, Brian May, actually requested that it not be used, after it was used without permission previously. They ignored him. Probably the fact that it’s a LGBT anthem was totally lost on the audience.
@Redteam: You’re the guy who keeps talking about your closet full of assless chaps RT. You seem obsessed with the subject. Do you remember when Kitt called you on it?
Would think you and your fellow Trumpists would know Freddy Mercury.
You are truly clueless. You don’t know who Trump’s campaign manager is..
Don’t know who Dr. Paul is.
Know nothing about Ivanka’s Rabbi declining to attend.
You let 05 make you look like the fool that you are. You oughta just stop digging RT.
Now we see Melania plagiarized Michelle’s 08 speech—picked a good role model
Hilarious. A republican audience, unknowingly cheering and applauding the 2008 words of Michelle Obama:
Melania Trump, at the Republican National Convention, July 18, 2016:
They picked up on this very quickly in the UK: Melania Trump speech appears to plagiarize Michelle Obama’s 2008 Democratic convention address
I’m scratching my head in wonder. First they regale an unsuspecting arch-conservative crowd with a rousing LGBT anthem. (A very good tune, BTW.) Then they work them up with the words of Michelle Obama, delivered by a Slovenian angel. (Or super-model, which is even better. And she did a very good job of delivering it, in my humble opinion. She’s an impressive lady.) Is it possible the conspiracy theories that Trump is a Democratic Party operative are actually true? Or are Trump and his crew simply the most clueless campaign organization ever assembled on Planet Earth? Inquiring minds want to know.
@Greg:
Wrong Greg. We’re talking about the National Conventions. The bound Delegates are sent there for one reason and one reason only, and that is to vote at the convention for whom they promised their constituents they would vote for.
@retire05:
No, but that of course is not what I said. What I said is that the Political Party in that state does have the power to ban a person from ever being a delegate. Who do you think it is that selects the delegates? It’s not the State, it is at the parties state convention where the delegates are chosen The party leadership can absolutely deny allowing someone to be chosen a delegate.
Both losses were establishment Republicans whom were responsible for their losses. Trump is not establishment. And it is the RNC leadership who is coalescing behind Trump because that is who the voter’s gave the most votes to. The RNC leadership represents all GOP voters. and not just the delegates. More of the4 GOP voted for Trump (14 Million) than for ANY of the other candidates. If you only understood that, you might possibly fathom why they don’t want a small number of arrogant jackasses like you to walk into the convention and work to scuttle the entire party because you’re petty, whiny-bitches who can’t bear losing to Trump.
No? It seems clear to most of us that Trump fairly won a good number of the states and enough BOUND delegates to win the first vote. Who else has enough delegates to win nomination and thus is in line to be nominated? Give us a name.
Bull crap. What it was, was a bunch of whiny-ass bitches who don’t want to follow the rules, trying to force yet another vote on something that has already been voted on numerous times this week and last, and which they lost each time. Those whiners can kiss my buttocks. If they don’t want to be bound by the rules, and vote the way they promised their constituents that they would, then they can walk the F’ out and good riddance.
No one to be fired after Melania Trump speech plagiarism episode
I’m sure that will work. Ignoring or denying reality has become standard operating procedure. And why should anyone be fired? This is only the Republican National Convention. It’s not something where truth is relevant and there are consequences for poor performance, as in a reality TV show. If truth and facts were relevant, Trump’s whole dynastic exercise would be one dead duck:
FACT CHECK: The First Night Of The Republican National Convention
@Ditto:
How so?
Who do YOU think selects the delegates?
Chosen? How so?
Which party leadership? National? State? County? On what grounds?
Doesn’t matter what is clear to YOU. What is clear are the rules, which you obviously are ignorant of. A person can be nominated on the floor if they met certain criteria. Stop showing your stupidity.
That’s exactly how I feel about what happened yesterday when the RNC violated its own rules. Thanks for getting with the program.
Again, I ask, how many times have you been a delegate to either a state or national convention? I noticed you just ignored that question.
@retire05:
State Party leadership of course.
Says someone who wants to change the rules, and only accepts those rules that are convenient to their personal agenda, (of disenfranchising a delegate’s constituents). At one brief point during the chaos on the floor yesterday, the #NeverTrumps/#FreeTheDelegates movement(s) may have had enough support for a vote, then just as suddenly they didn’t. The RNC did technically follow the rules and are not required to immediately respond to shouted demands during moments of chaos. And to be clear, it is your desperate and petulant minority “screw how our constituents wanted us to vote” integrity-challenged delegates, that are demanding that the convention rules be changed, so that your cohorts don’t have to follow the current convention rules. Your “screw our constituents” movement has already been given numerous votes on this issue, that failed.
And, we noticed that you have ignored many pertinent questions posed by Redteam, Nanny and myself. Why should we respect your demands to answer all your questions, when you see fit to ignore ours? You keep demanding a floor vote for a different nominee but you wont even name whom you would nominate. Considering that the #NeverTrumps/#FreeTheDelegates movement(s) are mostly made up of disgruntled establishment GOPe wonks and overly zealous Cruz supporters, I think it highly unlikely that these ethically-challenged ‘sour-grapes’ delegates would agree on the same nominee. The only consensus they seem to have is that they both ‘don’t want Trump’ and that they are equally willing to renege on their promises (made to follow their state Republican party convention rules,) to vote as their GOP constituents directed them.
Frankly I find the whole “Vote My Conscious” argument uncompelling, when that self-same conscious has no problem betraying the promises made to their State Party and it’s constituents.
@Ditto:
Meanwhile, on the convention floor, whips for the Trump campaign are telling delegates that are bound to other candidates that they are free to vote for Trump on the first vote.
Well, so much for Trumpsters wanting to follow the rules.
‘Never Trump Is Officially Dead and Buried’: How Ken Cuccinelli, Mike Lee Sold Out Grassroots for Convention Floor Spectacle
The
Trumptrain wreck has left the station.@Ditto:
Really? Someone makes a claim to Trumpart but is not willing to put their name on it and you swallow it as gospel?
Trump Wins Nomination! Retire05 weeps, as she only now realizes that her petulant, ethically-challenged “Screw what the voters want” movement has failed to fracture the party.
Republicans can now focus on the General Election.
@Ditto:
If you had been following what happened, Reince allowed delegates to jump the fence. How do you explain that, Ditto, when you have been harping how the delegates were “bound” and could not vote differently?
Alaska just got hosed (votes announced wrong and allowed to stand) and Utah’s 40 votes were announced wrong (they voted all 40 for Cruz but it was announced all 40 went to Trump.)
Guess you only like the rules when they are rigged to support your guy.
Yes, I’m sad. Sad for our nation that Republicans would nominate a man who is nothing more than a poseur.
@Richard Wheeler:54
Why would I care who Trump’s campaign manager is? He means nothing to me.
I know that I don’t have a Dr named Paul and no other Dr means anything to me. I didn’t know and don’t care if Ivanka has a rabbi or not. Why would I? I’m not a celebrity admirer.
You must really regret having posted that photo of you in the gay parade with your rainbow flag. Once you posted it and it received comments, you’ve been denying it. In the future,you should think twice before publishing photos that will come back to haunt you.
First, I don’t know any ‘Trumpists’, but you sure seem to be obsessed by them. Must be a secret admirer. Why would I know or care who Freddy Mercury is? He means nothing to me. You must be a star gazer, infatuated by all these people that you are naming and I couldn’t give a damn one way or the other.
@Greg:
And do dimocrats know that Obozo is a word? And the price of a pound of Ak sh*t in China is what? That’s about how important your question is.
Obozo is not a word. Neither is dimocrat. I’m also highly doubtful about Ak sh*t, although I don’t speak Chinese, so I suppose it might mean something.
trumpery –
noun 1. attractive articles of little value or use.
adjective 1. showy but worthless. “trumpery jewelry”
@retire05:
That wasn’t given as an option. All it tells me is you run from making decisions.
What is it with you and Wheeler and Greg pulling names out of a hat and thinking it’s significant that someone doesn’t know who they are. Would you feel better if I gave you a list of names and asked if you know who they are? You don’t need to tell me who Manafort is, he’s no one to me, probably about the same as Eli Stringer is to you.
I didn’t miss it, it didn’t mean anything to me and I didn’t give a damn. You seem to have missed the part where I have consistently said from Day one that I’m not a Trump supporter. You and RW seem to be two peas in a pod about accusing people of being a Trump supporter, even when you’ve been told repeatedly that’s not true. It chapped your ass that I didn’t support Cruz because he’s not a natural born citizen. Well, I damn sure didn’t support Obama for that reason, amongst others and I will never support anyone that is not constitutionally eligible. Just because you happened to like him, you are perfectly willing to ignore that fact, but I’m not. There are too many people that are eligible for me to support someone that isn’t. I may ‘lob insults’ occasionally, but can never surpass you in that regard.
I know that people vote for a delegate to represent them in the nominating process and that they intend for that person to vote the way they said they would if elected. But then just because 5% of the people got disappointed they want to run around all butt hurt and politic for Hillary and try to subvert the electoral process to get what they want instead of what most of the voters voted for.
I may be ‘helping’ Hillary get elected, but at least I have not said I was going to vote for her as you have.
HA! “Kimberlin Brown – soap opera actress.” It was apparently a bit of a challenge to fill up all the speaking slots at the RNC. Maybe we’ll see more of the Duck Dynasty crew before we’re done.
@Greg:
Geez, where have you been? Both of those are politically correct words. Dimocrat as in ‘dim bulb’. Obozo means a clown acting as president.
Oh, you’re listing alternative meanings of Obozo.
yep, definitely alternative meanings of Obozo.
Don’t know who Kimberly Brown is, but at least she seems to be drawing your attention enough to watch the convention. I haven’t seen a single scene or heard one word from the convention. But at least it has your attention.
@Redteam:
Choosing NOT to vote for either one of them IS a decision. Really, RT, you’ve gone off the rails.
You are a damn liar. I have NEVER said I was going to vote for Hillary. And if you think I have, you are free to prove it.
@retire05:
Oh so I won’t play your little game so I’m off the rails? Chuckle.
See, all butt hurt because Cruz is not eligible. That’s is NOT my fault. It’s his mother’s fault that she married a Cuban and had a child in Canada. She should have known that not having a citizen father would mean he could never run for president unless the Constitution is amended.. Tell her next time to stick to Americans.
@Redteam:
Then don’t pretend to be political astute if you don’t know who Manafort is.
Which Eli Stringer?
@retire05:
Where did I claim to be politically astute?
See what I mean?
@Redteam:
Has nothing to do with being “butt hurt.” It has everything to do with your mouth writing a check your a$$ can’t cash so, again, I repeat,
You are a damn liar. I have NEVER said I was going to vote for Hillary. And if you think I have, you are free to prove it.
Prove it, RT, or slink away like the slime you have become.
@retire05:
I wasn’t. I was preoccupied with other matters and missed the voting process, I just happened to check and heard that Trump won the nomination. I don’t know if it’s true that delegates “jumped the fence” and given your ethically-challenged bent, Redteam and Nanny will certainly understand why I will not take your play-by-play as gospel. As I recall Colorado didn’t have a primary or a caucus, so their delegates were not in anyway “bound” to a specific candidate. I suppose they changed their mind about Cruz, (I don’t blame them, I did too). I have no idea about what happened with the Alaska contingent. Maybe like Colorado, Alaska doesn’t bind their delegates. I’ll check into reports I trust. (You have already proven to me that you have no ethical grounding where delegates and elections are concerned, so you have left me with no choice but to ignore your commentary.)
As with Redteam, I had “no guy” in this race. It was down to four candidates before it even got to my state. As I did not especially favor any of the four (although I certainly would never have voted for Kasich or Rubio), I stayed home. Having said that, once it was clear that the Republican base overwhelmingly had voted for Trump (14 Million votes) and he received enough delegates to win nomination (with no one else even close,) it was clear to me that Trump was the people’s choice, fair and square.
What got my attention was when people like you decided to try to conspire with delegates to renege, and not vote as they had promised. I was brought up to believe that when you give your word of honor and promise your fellow constituents that you will do something, you keep that promise. The whole reason why Trump came from out of nowhere to take the lead is because the Republican base has learned that you can not trust corruptible establishment-globalist politicians, and here you and this pack of curmudgeons decide to use voter betrayal by delegates, as a means to stop that reform. That’s the kind of contemptible, cheating behavior that will make me stand-up for those whom the weasels are trying to cheat.
Your rhetoric calling Trump a “poser” means nothing to me, simply because we know that for the last 2-3 decades nearly all national office politicians have been posers. I do however think that Trump seriously does love this nation, and that he wants to return this nation to prosperity, Against all odds, the anti-establishment, and anti-globalist Republican base revolt has succeeded in getting their man nominated. Now we can get to the serious job of reforming that cesspool we call Washington D.C.
@Ditto:
I see. So while you were “preoccupied” you think you know more than those of us who were involved. Does your ego know no bounds? I have been a delegate to more precinct, county, state and national conventions, and sat on/in more committees than I care to remember, and you think you know more than me? What a joke you are, Ditto.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/
Learn something, Ditto. Inform yourself.
Your problem with me is NOT that I am ethically-challenged, it’s that I am not willing to forfeit my ethics for a carnival barker.
Nope, the reason Trump came out from nowhere is two fold: a) he played on the anger of the American people just as any other potentate does and b) we have become a nation of people who care more about Dancing With The Stars than our nation. It’s people like you, uninformed dupes, that put Trump over the top.
That one statement shows you have no clue what happened at the RNC convention the last two days.
@retire05: Have you been diagnosed yet?
@retire05:
But you are willing to for a foreigner.
Without knowing all of the ‘details’ of what has gone on at the convention. If you know beforehand that after the primary contests throughout the country, one candidate had amassed far more than the number of committed delegates to get the nomination for president and then you heard that, sure enough, the process worked and the committed delegates voted as they were committed to do and the candidate with more than enough actually ended up with the nomination, then you might reach the conclusion that it was a legitimate process. If, however, one person went into the convention with the nomination locked up and someone else ended up with the nomination, you might think that something politically corrupt had happened. Well, most people would think that, apparently there are some that think that ‘it was only politics as usual’ and that it was a ‘good thing’. And then wonder why people get sick of politics because of all the crooks. And then think that everyone that did not accept ‘politics as usual’ as a ‘good thing’ was not politically astute. Well, we all need a good laugh occasionally .
@Redteam:
Still waiting on you to prove that claim, RT, but instead, all weget is a bunch of blathering and birther cr@p from you.
@retire05:
you shouldn’t hold your breath, it might be fruitless. Birther crap? see, that’s what I said, it doesn’t matter to you that he is a foreigner. It does to me. I prefer an American be president.
@retire05:
Yeah, well some of us have things come up in life that may interfere with keeping our eyes glued to the frigging TV. I suppose I could have just stayed were I was and put off having to deal with changing out the wife’s dead car battery in 109-degree weather. I don’t think however that she would have been very pleased with that.
No. My problem with you is definitely that you are ethically-challenged. You see, my position on making “bound” delegates keep to their promise, would have been the same, regardless of which of the 17 candidates would have ended up in Trump’s place. Sure, I would have hated it if Kasich had managed to pull off what Trump did. But I would have simply accepted the Republican Base’s decision. YOU, the #NevrTrups and the #FreeTheDelegates however, specifically plotted to betray the Republican Base and give the nomination to someone else simply because you don’t like Trump And you untrustworthy, arrogant jackasses didn’t even have a particular person in mind to replace Trump with. (If I’m wrong and you did have a candidate in mind, then tell us just who it was that you were going to nominate!!!)
Are lame insults and ad hominem attacks all you are capable of? I’ve already told you that I did not vote for Trump. I didn’t vote for any of the four remaining candidates, because I couldn’t decide between them. None of them were whom I wanted to vote for. As I didn’t vote for Trump, how could I have possibly put him over the top? Maybe you need to lie down. This whole thing has you talking out of your head.
Trump never worked for a carnival. Did someone tell you he worked as a carnival broker? Where do you get these lies?
That one statement shows that I have been paying attention to this entire Republican primary season. If you hadn’t been so obsessed with your anti-Trump torpedoing of the convention and party at your #NeverTrump #FreeTheDelegates meetings, you might have realized why so many of the Republican base voted for and still support Trump. If you want to live in establishment denial land that’s fine. I prefer life in the real world. I do hope you find help for your Trump Derangement Syndrome.
@Ditto:
Seems it is you that has the problem if you equate being politically involved with “keeping our eyes glued to the frigging TV.”
You’re right. I don’t. He’s just as big a charlatan as Obama.
No, but maybe you’re right. Maybe he’s only the carnival broker.
The Trump supporters support Trump for many reasons, rational thinking not being one of them. He panders to their fears and their anger. He says the things they want to hear, not what is reality. What happens when they learn that he can do one of two things; not keep his campaign promises because so much of what he promised to do doesn’t fall under the authority of the Administration or rule by Executive Order fiat just like Obama?
You just don’t get it, do you? Trump, and his team, just became the epitome of the “establishment” that you so love to hate in Cleveland this week. Deal with it. Trump IS the establishment, and always has been.
I do hope you get some mental health counseling for all that anger you seem to love to exhibit.
@retire05:
Let me see if I understand, you prefer candidates that say what you DON’T want to hear? You want a candidate that does not care what your fears and anger are about?
Just what is a ‘”Trump supporter”? I have never given Trump a dime. I have never given a speech for him. I have never voted for him. Would I qualify as a ‘Trump Supporter” with those credentials? Just because he is the Republican candidate and he’s legally qualified and he’s not Hillary, he will get my vote.
So? what person elected president in the last 20 years has kept his campaign promises? Who expected them to?
I don’t believe you would vote for any candidate that only said what you DID NOT want to hear.
@Redteam:
How about one that tells the truth? Oh, I know, what an original concept.
@retire05:
For example? Who did you support that ‘told the truth’?
@retire05:
I think they are far more rational than you are. You think that it doesn’t matter what voters want, because you think you know what is best for them. That’s classic narcissism. Why do you think that you know what’s best for everyone else?
You think that it is OK to try to get rid of those darn rules so that delegates don’t have to vote the way they promised. That describes a certain sociopathy about you.
Nope. I don’t see that at all. What I see is that Trump has taken over the Republican Party, just as the Reagan campaign did, (You clearly hate that,) and a handful of establishment leaders are trying desperately to stay relevant. What I saw was establishment wonks and Cruz supporters trying to hijack the vote. Since you supported that very betrayal movement, you are most likely either an establishment supporter or a Cruz stooge. The fact that you have continually refused to say who you supported instead of your arch-enemy Trump, while you keep wanting to make inflammatory and baseless attacks at Trump supporters tells me that you are a very vindictive and hateful person.
Angry? I’m not angry. Why do you think I’m angry? Perhaps it is you who is angry, and you want to think that I must be too. Interesting…
@Redteam:
Yes. Please, go ahead Retire. Who was this mystery candidate that you were holding out for?
@Ditto:
I wasn’t “holding out” for any one. As a matter of fact, in the beginning, I was leaning toward Trump. That was until he started saying stupid stuff and name calling of other candidates. On top of that, he never (and still doesn’t) give specifics. And I really want a president that can talk above a 3rd grade level.
Another thing that turned me off is the Trump supporters much like the Ron Paul supporters turned me off. And they really showed their tail feathers at the convention tonight when Heidy Cruz had to have a special security detail to escort her out of the convention center after Trump supporters started harassing her. Class acts Trump supporters are not.
The convention is almost over. Trump is the GOP candidate. You and Redteam have proven you have no clue as to how conventions work, and I, frankly, am tired of trying to educate you. You got the candidate you wanted. I hope for your sake, and the sake of the nation, you are not disappointed. But I think you will be.
@retire05:
So you admit you are a failure as an educator. How conventions work. Primary elections vote for delegates for the convention to go and vote for the candidate that got the most votes. Then the convention starts and a lot of people make speeches, then they have a vote and each delegate votes for the person they were sent to vote for. If one person gets one more than 50% of the delegate votes, that candidate is the nominee. That’s what happened. How did I misunderstand or ‘not know’ how conventions worked. What was different than that. I know you would have liked to see the delegates betray the voters, but most people are more honorable than that, but not all are about honor and dignity and betray their voters. Not this time. Now where did I go wrong? Seems as if I understood that was going to happen and it did. You, however seemed to believe ‘something else’ was going to happen. So tell us again. Who has a clue?
@retire05:
I suppose Redteam and I are ignorant in the various crooked ways that can be used to disrupt and steal nominations. Of course I guess that is because we aren’t lacking in personal integrity, and aren’t ethically-challenged like you political insider types.
While you’re at the doctor’s, You might want to have them give you an eye exam. Your eyes just can’t seem to make out where Redteam and I have both told you on numerous occasions that we were not Trump supporters. I didn’t vote in the primary. (Oops I forgot about your bad eyes. let me try that again.)
I WAS NOT A TRUMP SUPPORTER
I COULDN’T DECIDE ON A CANDIDATE I PREFERRED
THAT MEANS: I DIDN’T VOTE IN THE PRIMARY
WHICH MEANS: I DIDN’T VOTE FOR TRUMP
Hopefully with your terrible eyesight, you could read it this time.
@Redteam:
Nope. You’re a failure as a student.
And your Cliff Notes on how a convention functions, and what its functions is, is laughable.
Then you abdicated your right to hold those of us who did in disdain.
@retire05:
Oh, I read it as you were no longer trying. As in ‘giving up”
Yet you were not able to tell me what I said that was not correct. Are you saying that delegates should NOT do what they are elected and sent there for? Are you saying that if you were voted in as a delegate to go and vote for Cruz, that you could be persuaded to betray that commitment? It’s a good thing you aren’t in the military in a war and are sent by the general for help. You might come back with more of the enemy. Most Americans are raised that if you commit to do something, that they honor that commitment. I guess some aren’t. Sounds as if politicians fit that description:” there is no honor amongst the thieves”. Whose vote can be illegally stolen today? Sounds as if you may be qualified to publish a “Crooked Politics for Dummies”. Not something I would be in the market for.
@retire05:
“stupid stuff” oh, like let’s build a wall and keep illegal aliens out until they are fully vetted? That’s sounds very intelligent. Calling names, Lying Ted, yep that’s him. Crooked Hillary, yep that’s her. When you use an accurate label to preface a name, it’s not ‘calling names’. I’ve given another point, you’ve made repeatedly, some thought. About how many times you have been a delegate. I’ve decided that’s something I wasn’t qualified to do. Betray the voters, play politics,, back stab, support the crooks. Nope, that’s not something I could do. I need to leave those games to the qualified.