Robert Tracinski:
Feminist journalist Jill Filipovic recently made a hilariously un-self-aware comment on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/JillFilipovic/status/721025476676972544
I wonder: was she around when Barack Obama was running in 2008? (Yes, she was.) Nothing about Bernie’s messiah complex should be remotely new to you if you followed the Obama phenomenon.
The Left still clings to this old view of themselves as bold free-thinkers who “question authority,” when they have long since set themselves up as the authorities everyone else is supposed to bow to.
By coincidence, I came across this at about the same time as a video of Bill Nye, thesupposed “science guy,” taking a break from asking big and important questions like “What if the Earth were a cube instead of a ball?” and declaring that maybe global warming skeptics should be thrown in jail.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/xlk4Lt__Sn0[/youtube]
He does it through a series of rhetorical questions: “Was it appropriate to jail the guys from Enron? Was it appropriate to jail people from the cigarette industry who insisted that this addictive product was not addictive, and so on.”
Enron was a case of provable fraud, in which executives lied about specific facts about the operation of their own company—not about complex scientific conclusions. As for tobacco executives, none of them did go to jail (much to the consternation of anti-tobacco fanatics), and for good reason. To ban one side of a political debate from making its case is to condemn them in advance, denying them an opportunity to speak in their own defense.
Courts as Tools of Political Coercion
But Nye isn’t just speculating about putting people in jail. He is referring to a specific attempt to use the model of those old tobacco lawsuits to prosecute any company that has ever funded research or advocacy skeptical of claims about global warming. This campaign was started last year and has taken its newest steps recently with a meeting of state attorneys general who vowed to launch “investigations into whether fossil fuel companies misled investors and the public on the impact of climate change.”
The attorney general of the U.S. Virgin Islands—whom you would think would have enough to deal with at home straightening out a notoriously dysfunctional office—hassubpoenaed a leading free-market think tank, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, demanding all of its internal communications from 1997 through 2007. Why? Because CEI once committed the presumed crime of accepting money from a major oil company.
This is what you call a “fishing expedition.” The prosecutors are not demanding any specific evidence of criminal activity, because they have no specific grounds to suspect it. They’re just demanding everything, in the hope that once they fish through it, they will find something they can cast as incriminating, or at least embarrassing. It’s a well-known form of legal harassment.
To those who object that this will create a “chilling effect” on scientific debate over global warming, which is the obvious goal of the investigation, Nye says that’s just fine. “That there is a chilling effect on scientists who are in extreme doubt about climate change, I think that is good.”
Goodbye, Free Speech
As bad as that is, Nye’s justification for it is worse. “As a taxpayer and voter, the introduction of this extreme doubt about climate change is affecting my quality of life as a public citizen. So I can see where people are very concerned about this, and they’re pursuing criminal investigations.” I could make the case that Nye’s continued existence “affects my quality of life.” Should I get the government to do something about that?
Curt you seem to forget that there is a big difference between “free thought” and profiting from lies
In the USA profiting from lies is criminal fraud
The fossil fuel companies are lieing to their investors and customers about climate change, that is fraud
They also directly pay others such as the Heartland Institute to lie for them
The Heartland Insttute also lied about the dangers of smoking tobacco and how “Joe Camel was Innocent”
They used Joe Camel to make kids addicts. I say that was criminal fraud
The climate change is it warming or cooling this week? They claim its settled science, if that is so why cant they predict the weather accurate for a week, why do they still fund these guys. Its settled maybe I can get a grant on studying what atoms make up water.
Using Bill Nye lol he doent have a degree in meteorology not even a science degree.
So knowledgeable he links el Nino as he cause of global warming.
http://twitchy.com/2016/04/20/bill-nye-accidentally-links-global-warming-to.
Its all a fraud to gain more power and control over people, no temp change for 18 years, none of the climate models worked, and yoohoo ,Gore, its past dooms day, there is still ice for the Polar bears.
http://www.historicalclimatology.com/blog/is-arctic-sea-ice-recovering
The president so concerned about carbon output this sh*t is regular behavior for the first family: ttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/13/obama-first-lady-flew-s
Al Gore should be knicknamed big foot for his carbon use.
http://calculator.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspx?tab=3
you can figure out all these jet setting carbon sucking control freaks pollute for each flight on a personal jet to a climate conference.
All to figure out how to make it too expensive for grandma on her fixed income heat and light her home.
Kitt
We have had 2 record breaking hot years in a row
The US Navy believes in AGW
Minimum Arctic ice extent is way below the average since 1970
68% if all Americans believe I climate changing because of man
How is advocating putting solar panels of roofs and decentralizing power generation giving the government more control?
Believe what you wish as for short term forecasting you would have to be an idiot not to know that immediate predictions are more difficult than longer term ones
Micro vs macro
@John:Climate changes it always has, using massive amts of land for ugly solar arrays is stupid, food production and the plants sucking up the dreaded co2 is a better use. Pay back for panels even subsidized is way to long for them to be attractive to consumers.
Micro or macro they have been wrong on both accounts.
The warmest years with data manipulation, dont show what the government wants get your grant pulled http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/T
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/09/almost-all-us-temperature-d
It is much easier to fool someone than to convince someone they have been fooled.
I dont want the planet crapped up for the grandkids, but I do want to see them have a future with jobs, a comfortable lifestyle.
Carbon credits a great idea for multi multi millionaires who will sell them to poor folk ,small businesses and they live as carbon piggies.
No control… what happened to regular safe light bulbs now we have florescent that contain mercury. The government is not a wise steward. Why not shove all the money they are wasting on “settled ” science into engineering affordable lower carbon or carbon lowering things. Rather than regulating and taxing try assisting.
The rooftops of the USA woukd provide all the needed area to power the USA
Solar costs are always dropping
Even the Saudiscare heavily investing in solar and backing away from fossil
fuels
Coal is a Victorian era fuel
You are living in the past
Renewable energy not fossil fuel is the future
@John:
You are delusional.
How would all the rooftops having solar panels provide electricity at night, or when it rains, or when there is significant cloud cover? The technology to store solar energy to sufficiently maintain steady electrical power does not exist. You AGW types sneer at all current technologies that can generate consistent electrical power, like coal, oil and nuclear, while portraying solar and wind power generation as a panacea in the same manner that a 5 year old believes wearing a towel as a cape will make him become Superman.
If solar and wind systems were so wonderful, why are they incapable of functuoning without MASSIVE government funding? Remember Solyndra? That is just one of the moneypits wasted on the alternative energy boondoggle.
When the “experts” like Mann are proven to be manipulating and falsifying data to portray the false narrative of AGW; when the outrageous predictions of gloom made by the likes of Ehrlich and Gore are shown always to be laughably wrong, – hell, when the cultists have to change the name of their scam from “global warming” to “climate change” because the actual measured temps and size of artic ice sheets are not following their GIGO computer models- and now the left is calling for thoughtcrime charges against those of us who don’t believe their parhetic Chicken Little scam, only a foolish, ignorant coward would ever believe the lies of the AGW cultists.
I believe renewables are the future, the technology isnt there yet, how big an array will you need to fire up the home welder or compressor? Its an ungodly amount of batteries, the inverter 2500 watt capability minimum, then if I start up the washer and the compressor for the fridge kicks in. We are not in the Victorian era , we have modern appliances that all require watts, and solar is a trickle charge. Lith ion batteries are unstable they like to overheat and fires start, so old lead acid batteries with a lifespan of maximum 10 years. See all the issues that the government could spend its grant money into instead of weathermen.
Basically what the government is doing (assuming climate change is real) is monitoring the freight train heading at us.
The biggest problem is how the hell are Bernie and Hillary going to tax the sun to give the entitled all the freebies??
Kitty and Pete
Obviously they could not directly supply at night
However
The surplus power they generated during the daytime could be stored in many different ways
Some of them might include flywheels batteries and water pumped back into reservoirs for later release, all connected into the grid
Delusional ? No just better informed than you.
Pete you do realize that your views on solar seem to be fixated by your hatred of all things “leftist”
Bernie and Hillary are not forcing other countries to invest much more heavily in clean energy than the USA
Bernie and Hillary did not force the Saudi Oil Ministrr to publicly say ” the end of the Age of Oil is now on the horizon. ThecStone Age did not end because people ran out of stones, and the Age of Oil will not end because we ran out of oil”
A better technology is coming Pete, that is the dollars and sense reason the Saudis are pumping as fast as they can sell it regardless of price.
Pete batteries are constantly improving, are you aware of that ?
” trickle charge” obviously your knowledge about present and future capabilities is rather limited
The cost of solar is going only in one direction.
The Arctic ice is down by 1/3
The nay sayers like yourself first said the climate wasn’t changing it wasn’t getting warmer but they had to stop that didn’t they
And no you aren’t in danger of punishment by the thought police, other than being laughed at like a flat Earther However companies that profit from lies, well that is different isn’t it?
That is criminal fraud. You aren’t allowed to do that in this country, can’t make untruthful claims in order to sell your product
And yes decentralized personal solar power will be difficult for the government to control or tax, which I think will be great. Don’t you? The percentage of people holding conservative views about climate change is continuing to decline, they are mostly old people who don’t really want to understand that their world has changed, that they are being left behind by advancing technology and understanding
You can see the anger underneath, just look at the insults they use
Of course batteries are 90% recycle able but you are forgetting that solar also is tied into the grid
@John:
I suggest you run right out and invest in some of these companies asap. Put your money where you mouth is. Of course you may have to act fast as they keep going belly up.
You clearly have zero clues as to how the infrastructure works in this country. Wind and solar are at best intermittent sources of power. Industries cannot work well with that kind of power. Plus one is AC one is DC which means you need rectification or inversion which of course has a byproduct called HEAT. Then you need air conditioning to deal with the heat which of course is powered by unicorn farts in your world.
Grow up and learn instead of spewing fed left wing drivel. You need a new religion this one isn’t working.
Recall in 2008 AL Gore said the ice from both north and south poles would be gone in 5 years. He was wrong. He’s still wrong.
Mully Gore did not say that you are misquoting him at best or outright lieing
He did say “according to a USNavy study Arctic Sea ice could be gone as early as 2014-2016”
Ahhh news flash !!! My own limited solar doesn’t require an air conditioner to cool it
Please also Mr Science guy tell us the power loss in conversion from ac to DC
Do you consider that to be significant ?
Mully the switch to renewable energy is well on the way it can’t be stopped
The cost of wind is already comparable to coal solar will be less than coal shortly
Coal companies are going bankrupt, renewables are receiving massive private and bank financing
Seen anyone willing to invest in a coal plant with a service life if 30-50 years ?
Technology will continue to improve all of the many ways that renewable energy can be stored
The future must feel so frightening for you, why else would you think that we should continue to live as we did in the past?
When the Saudis invest billions in solar even you should begin to question the future of energy production
Lol Did Bernie make THEM do it ?????
Climate change belief is about 25% higher in people with college degrees
Another factor is age , again about 25% higher in 18-34 than in over 65
Solar must have a 2 or 3 year payback to be viable in the market place, there are the pioneers that have invested thousands on a 20 year payback, batteries not included. Wind power you must hate birds the turbines dont discriminate between an endangered and other birds. I would invest with a 5 to 7 year payback, and the government is making grid electricity more and more expensive.
Coal companies going belly up because they are shutting down the electric plants without replacing them, further straining the grid.
Cheap available energy is what drives an economy. Not printing money to prop up the house of cards that Obama admin has created. I am home during the day more and more boomers will also be home all using our modern appliances, some gas some electric. My sweeties tools draw watts like crazy, but he needs to run them as we fix up the foreclosure we just invested in. The old electric water heater will be replaced with NG on demand.
Kids and those with degrees being behind solar and wind is no surprise, they are initiated into the religion at an early age, they dont have a clue how much electricity and gas they use.
There is no hate here for the solar and small wind turbines, the technology has not been fully developed yet for us energy users.
Kitt yes the early pioneers from 20 years ago will have a long payback time. Of course since 20 years ago the cost was 8 dollars per watt for a panel. Now in 2016 the cost is now less than .50 dollars. The price is continuing to fall maybe to 30 cents per watt
Payback on any investment that promises a 100% return in 2-3 years ? well that certainly seems unlikely doesn’t it? Batteries are NOT required if the system is tied into the grid are they? Why add them into the cost. Solar provided power when we most need it, in the daytime when you and boomers are at home and using it, not while you are asleep. Isn’t it nice the way solar meshes with peak use power?
Wind power and birds? Yes the 1st generation turbines did kill too many birds, but that was 1970s. Now we are using 3rd and fourth generation turbines that spin much slower. That is why The Audubon Society STRONGLY endorses wind power
https://www.audubon.org/content/audubons-position-wind-power
The Audubon Society does not hate birds
The price of electricity is going up?? SHOCKING ! I mean, don’t prices usually go DOWN?
Wait let’s take a look at the residential historical pricing of electricity here in the USA. They are going down
Adjusted for inflation electricity now costs 10% less than under Reagan
http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/showtext.cfm?t=ptb0810
Kitt very very few solar electric installations are stand alone off grid users. Most are connected onto the grid further reducing stress on the grid. That is why in many locals your local electric provider will encourage you to install solar.
If you told me your electric power provider I would be happy to see what programs are available for you and the payback time. Of course that payback time will decrease in the future as the solar per watt costs fall.
Coal fired electric plants ? No large financial institution would consider investing billions in such an obsolete technology, especially one designed for a service life of 30-50 years.
Kitt, really, in the USA how many coal fired plants do you expect to see in operation in the year 2065?
The next time you get any “facts” like on bird killing do yourself a favor and go and check primary sources, don’t believe everything that you are told about things like “bird killing” or solar payback times that are decades out of date.
When the Saudis who have more accessible oil than anybody start heavily investing in solar, you MUST realize that there has been a big change. They are not doing this because Bernie and the hippies told them to do that, they invested 25 billion because they see profit in it in a land where oil is cheap
@John:
Spouting leftist talking points does not make you “better informed” no matter how many times you tell yourself that. The garbage and inaccuracies you are spewing make your self-determined superiority rather amusing.
My loathing of all things leftist is well justified, based on analysis of the repeated failed outcomes of leftist ideology, and the destruction and totalitarianism such drivel brings. The level of deceit inherent in leftist leaders, coupled with the sheer magnitude of reality-denial required to accept leftist dogma is shocking.
The Saudis pumped oil for the purpose of throttling the life out of the US fracking industry, not because they are worried about solar and wind putting them out of business.
If the solution to storage of solar and wind generated electricity for use when their is insufficient wind or sunlight is so simple, John, then why hasn’t anyone come up with it yet? You beclown yourself with such adolescent “sandcastles-in-the-sky” blatherings.
Simply because more college graduates have been brainwashed into believing falsified data by AGW scammers doesn’t make them right, John. Scientific truth is not ruled by what percentage of people believe it. Hiding behind the “all the cool smart people believe it” shield is just another indication of the lack of critical thinking skills.
Satellite imagery of arctic ice shows record INCREASES in the amount of ice since the beginning of satellite measurements, not the 1/3rd decrease you claim.
The foundational argument of the AGW cultists is that human burning of fossil fuels is increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, and is THE cause of alleged global warming. Yet…since the beginning of the current 19 year cooling phase (which led the disingenuous AGW doomsayers to change their propaganda term to “climate change”) the concentration of armospheric CO2 has been continually increasing. So, Mr. Better Informed, if temps are NOT increasing despite the continued increase in CO2 levels, doesn’t the actual evidence disprove the very central tenet of the AGW scam? Of course the government (meaning ‘taxpayer’) money train to AGW propagandists would dry up if they started actually reporting what the data really shows.
Again, the modern leftist AGW cultists are nothing but the next iteration of malthusian doomsayer gadflys that spout pseudoscientific nonsense to support their con game. They are screaming, “Ignore the man behind the curtain!” – because they don’t want the actual science to be discussed.
@John:
There was a video, long since removed, of Gore making the very claims I mentioned. Try to keep up. You may find remnants of it if you look hard enough outside of your left wing safe space.
You totally miss the point of my solar/wind power conversion point. Your little solar powered trailer ain’t gonna scale up. Again you have no idea of the power needs/infrastructure requirements of a nation this size. Speaking commercially once again having to convert DC to AC or vice versa depending on the power source and demand need creates heat that must be dealt with. Commercially your power scenario is very expensive and not feasible. Go look at Spain or Ireland trying to go green and the costs associated with it. The jobs it cost and the higher rates for power that hurt the poor the most. As a lib you should care more about the poor.
Show that video!
I think that the one you are referring to is a segment that is in
an Inconvenient Truth
In that he refers/mentions a US Navy study that said that the Arctic Ocean could (not would) be ice free in the summer as early as 2014-2016
But you are claiming that he said something different aren’t you?
You are saying that he (not the US Navy) would be ice free in both the Arctic and the Antarctic.
Please find that video a smart guy like yourself should be able to if it exists
@John:
You certainly are a lazy one. As I said the original one is long since taken down. However here is another view listen closely.
https://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2013/12/14/yet-another-final-countdown-expires/
@Pete: @Mully: You have successfully showed to everyone here at FA how the leaders of the left have duped the ignorant and the drones of the left into believing everything the left says. To them, facts mean nothing. It is only the ideology that matters. If the left says this is two years in a row of the warmist, then it is so because the ignorant can not believe anything else. They are unable to think for themselves. If they could, they would be asking “where were those temperatures taken?” or “at least, “how did we determine the World temperatures?” The “experts” quoted by the left can not even show how they made the calculations! The ignorant on the left do not even understand that the reluctance of the “scientists” to show their tax payer paid for calculations to others who are real scientists is suspicious. Only the ignorant true believers follow blindly.
you should know that “long since removed” doesn’t happen on the internet. Everything is cached If that video DID exist of him saying what you claim, wouldn’t someone somewhere have saved it and posted it on YouTube ?
as for Ireland and solar http://www.thejournal.ie/solar-energy-ireland-2-2709329-Apr2016/
Also if you get a chance could you give me the power loss figure on the dc/ac conversion including from air conditioning and again do you consider that loss to be significant? Would you guess that is greater than transmission power costs?
Can’t scale up ? The Saudis announced 25 billion in investment in solar and a future total of 109 billion by 2040
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-20/saudi-arabia-delays-109-billion-solar-plant-by-8-years
Saudi Arabia’s effort has helped spur discussion about renewable energy across the Persian Gulf region, with oil producers seeking alternatives to fossil fuels. Abu Dhabi is already operating one 100-megawatt solar plant, and Dubai last week awarded a contract for a 200-megawatt facility. These are countries that are awash in oil and THEY are making huge investments. Did Bernie force them to do it ?
Now about that Gore video that has gone missing taken down by the lefties? Google caches everything. You can’t disappear things from the net. Produce the video or stop misquoting the one that does exist
@Randy: Not only that, but did you ever notice how far back they go with their “data”? Apparently they were taught in school that the Earth is a couple of thousand years old, if that.
@Randy: Most recent poll
http://www.gallup.com/poll/190010/concern-global-warming-eight-year-high.aspx?g_source=CATEGORY_CLIMATE_CHANGE&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles
Most Americans almost 2 out of 3 recognize that the climate is changing and it is caused by man
I guess you must consider 2/3 of Americans now to be “leftists” And the US Navy has been “leftist” for over 10 years (pre Obama)
from the American Institute of Physics this gives an historical timeline of man’s knowledge about climate change
https://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
The first leader of a major country to warn about global warming was Margaret Thatcher who was a conservative and no where near a leftists in 1988
Did Bernie and the hippies make her say that? What country that you admire denies that climate change is a danger?
@another vet: Now you can see the lefties posting here with their false statistics. Notice the references? They will hang on to their ideology until they freeze to death!
Here in planet Earth we are expecting a 3peat on high temp year
I guess on planet BIZZARO that must mean record cold?
@john: I was in St.Louis when straight line winds took out the electricity for 2 weeks in some areas, without battery storage system what good would it do a person?
According to the current literature somewhere between 140,000 and 328,000 birds die each year from collisions with wind turbines. That’s not all, explains the blog Natural Reactions:as per the Smithsonian site.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-many-birds-do-wind-turbines-really-kill-180948154/?no-ist
The Saudis live in a desert very little of Saudi Arabia is farmland or wooded.
I and many others live in Northern climates I could reduce my bills at best. To feed back into the grid it requires specialized equipment costing close to 10 thousand, I would only consider this type of system, cause the bolt on panels are UGLY UGLY http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/im-getting-my-roof-redone-and-heard-about-solar-shingles/
If the system cost 20 grand all in with tax credits its 27 years to pay pack. This system lifespan is 25 years. so I will invest it in fixing up a foreclosure take 2 years doing it and make 20 or 30 grand, and live there without a mortgage. Add that to the 20 grand it is 42000 dollars. Make that from the electric company.
@kitt: Lefties do not care what the cost is as long as someone else is paying!
Kitt
The number of bird deaths caused by wind turbines is actually quite low best estimates are between 0.01% of all unnatural bird deaths and most of those are caused by the 1st generation type which we stopped using 30 years ago and are now ending their useful service life
Now about solar costs what price are you paying for your panels ? The price now is .50 per watt and expected to hit 30 cents within 2 years
Most solar in most places have a payback in about 7 years
In NY that seems to be the average according to ConEd data
And of course by leading from a company like solar city there is often zero down
Kitt in my dtate Con Ed is encouraging people to go solar all of the big power companies know there best business practice over the long term is not in power production but in transmission through the grid
In 3 of the 5 most populous states the average savings usually run about 1000$ per month
What state do you live in? I can show you what savings your power company might expect you to save?
Kitt when doing your numbers were you assuming that your electric bill was never going to increase for the next 60 years ?? Lol
If so that was a bold assumption
If your 89$ per month bill could be covered by a 10000$ system mounted away from the house would you be interested then ?
@Randy: lol
People on the right want no government and no taxes they are all proto anarchists
@John: I live in Wisconsn I have 2 electric companies OEC ans WE energies. Yes I dd lazy math with my usage and the bill never rising, the solar shingles are not available in this area. How do you fix ugly.
You cant run power tools all day on a home solar system.
No matter which ways I does multiply and guzinta I cant see saving 1000s when I dont even pay 100s. I do like solar, and sweetie wants it, he promises to hide it (wont tell him if its his he could put it in the front yard, anything sweetie wants)
Perhaps on the retirement home when he has time to tinker. He likes the solar shingle idea, but stuck in the solar stone age with the hot water heat. I want on demand.
Being a percentage or a statistic doesnt help the birdies you are some kind of meanie not to care for the tweeters. I took the number from a good site, the site you gave didn’t give numbers or people wouldnt donate anymore with them being so callous.
Birdie haters pffft.
No common 110v power tool used more than 1500watts
If your power usage exceeds that of your solar cell output and you are connected into the grid you will not have any problem
Not all houses are suitable for solar. The vast majority are
Esthetics also matter, I woukd not want to see the an icon like the U S Capital Building covered in panels
If your own roof was for any reason not suitable the cost toner recto a tree(mast) to mount them on does not grossly impact the price@kitt:
Kitt Audubon strongly recommends wind power I rely on them for accurate info I think they know more than me (or you)
When I did a quick google on WE programs for solar one of the things that I saw was that there are so many people switching to solar in that state that it is having a real impact on WE revenues
Too many people there are saving too much money ! Since the solar costs are dropping rapidly WE may have to decrease the amount they pay from home generated power
You should crunch those numbers again they seem out of date fora system that only requires such a low amount of power $80 each month
Remember your system doesn’t need to supply the maximum needed at any one instant only the monthly average because it is already tied to the WE grid
Bill Nye is an engineer with a physics background, but that does not make him a scientist. Nye lacks a scientific education in Earth sciences, and has written no peer reviewed papers on the science of climatology. In fact he admits it and reminded his TV viewers that he is a mechanical engineer and not really a scientist:
“I’m not going in [to the debate with Ken Ham] really as a scientist as such. I want to remind everybody that I’m a mechanical engineer. I’ll admit I took a lot of physics. Oh man, did I take physics, but with that said, I’m going in as a reasonable man.”
Here’s what left-wing climate activists at Salon magazine had to say: “Bill Nye is not actually a climate scientist. He is a former mechanical engineer turned television entertainer, and now professional edu-tainer.”
SNAP!
(Ditto drops the mic)
This is in reference to his debate with Jen Ham ?
Ken Ham who believes that the Earth is only 7000 years old and the Grand Canyon was the result of The Geat Flood??
Ditto every major scientific organization of every major country believes that our planet is warming because of AGW
These are the same organizations that disputed Ken Ham’s claims about the age of the Earth
Stop looking for Noah’s magical Ark
Did someone pass gas? Oh I see, it was only John who doesn’t back-up any of the lies he regurgitates/exudes.
@Ditto: John still believes that consensus trumps real science! He lives in the middle ages!
60 year veteran meteorologist John Coleman continued, saying Nye spouts junk science.
Weather Channel founder calls Bill Nye ‘a pretend scientist in a bow tie’
Well of course a meteorologist is not a climatologist
John Coleman was always as much of an entertainer as Coleman was
The American Meterilogist Society is on record as believing in AGW climate change
Coleman wasn’t given that honor for any scientific work he did he was given that honor for being able to get the financing to putbyouvarms together T a 24 hour cable weather Chanel
Can anyone name any scientific association in any country that denies global warming ?
@John: There are a few scientists that deny warming. these scientists believe it by natural causes not man-made.
Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences
Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University
William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University
Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo
there are more
They are not weathermen they are more into planetary sciences, and most likely not getting government grants to give socialist progressives weak grounds to redistribute wealth for natural cycles and causes.
Of course there are a few who don’t believe in human caused climate change
There are also a few scientists that believe the Earth is only 7000 years old
But 97% believe 3% don’t believe
Please remember the first warning of climate change came from conservative Margaret Thatcher
Scientists all over the world from every country have the same beliefs
Does Bernie control all of them ?
Obama will be a lame duck in less than 200 days how will more governmental control benefit him ?
How will solar panels on your roof give the government more control?
How will decentralized electric power give them more control
@John: When they alter data it puts the entire “science” behind the issue in serious doubt.
Hey if I showed you the scientific proof that the earth cooled in minutes, which doesnt prove when but way different than consensus of a slow cooling would you deny that proof?
@John:
97% of “Scientists” do not agree. Your 97% number is an arbitrary one created from by Obama, lying as usual.
When A Third Becomes 97 Percent: A Con That Changed the Western World
‘97% Of Climate Scientists Agree’ Is 100% Wrong
The Myth of the Climate Change ‘97%’
What is the origin of the false belief—constantly repeated—that almost all scientists agree about global warming?
It get’s worse for John, Obama and Kerry’s magic number of 97% claim.
Only 41 authors? That’s not a consensus.
So sorry our trollish little John, but yet again you are merely spreading lies including this one:
I don’t know where you getting your information (since you rarely cite), but I expect it is from the same sources as Obama and Kerry. (i.e. they pulled it out of their asses.)
Hey, these guys didn’t go to jail, and their decades-long profit motivated disinformation campaign contributed directly to millions of early deaths. Why should climate change deniers-for-pay be treated any more harshly?
Bill Nye, by the way, is a popular public figure who promotes science and science education. He’s an educator and an entertainer, not an authority figure. He’s a television celebrity. Television celebrities should not be automatically considered worthy of unquestioning trust and respect—with the possible exception of Donald Trump, of course.
Solar activity is to blame? Well we do know that the Sun’s irradiance (as opposed to “activity” is now slightly lower than it was in 1960 but temps keep climbing Any other ideas why that might be happening? Perhaps also you might check up on the differences between irradiance and “activity” If you don’t know the difference you could have been easily misinformed from an organization such as the Heartland Institute http://skepticalscience.com//pics/TvsTSI.png
As for being “little” John thanks looks like my diet is working hope I can get back under 200 I am pretty close now.
Thank you for mentioning Heartland Institute. Heartland institute also shilled for Big Tobacco. In fact they had a whole campaign based on “Joe Camel is Innocent ” They contrived and were able to produce “scientists” that claimed that smoking did NOT cause cancer. they also claimed that anything that did seem to indicate that smoking caused cancer was based on “junk science” and that there was no “consensus” Sound familiar?
Scores of scientists disagree? well 10s of thousands DO believe. I am going to go with the 10s of thousands.
here is a list of 200 WORLDWIDE scientific organizations that believe in climate change being AGW Know of any major organizations that deny ?
(Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action)
Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
Ditto do you think that 2016 will be THE hottest year on record since accurate temps have been recorded?
Do you think that we will have the lowest ice extent?
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Russia believes that the sea ice in the Arctic is rapidly decreasing and is attempting to claim the Arctic. Should we ignore that because “climate change is a hoax”?