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		<title>Yes, The Iraq War and the 911 Attacks ARE Related</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[History-like hindsight-is supposed to be 20:20, but the deliberate partisan, political divide regarding the invasion of Iraq makes that hard.  

It&#8217;s not a new phenomenon.  Long ago it was said that the true story of a war can&#8217;t be told until the last of its veterans has passed away, and only a few [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History-like hindsight-is supposed to be 20:20, but the deliberate partisan, political divide regarding the invasion of Iraq makes that hard.  </p>
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<p>It&#8217;s not a new phenomenon.  Long ago it was said that the true story of a war can&#8217;t be told until the last of its veterans has passed away, and only a few months ago did the last World War One veteran go to his great reward.  For decades after the Civil War (and some would argue even today) the debate raged on, and the healing of Southern Reconstruction didn&#8217;t really start culturally until the unity of the Spanish-American War turned foes into brothers-in-arms.  </p>
<p>Conspiracy theories-often fueled by politics-still rage over the 911 attacks, the invasion of Iraq, whether or not Roosevelt deliberately allowed the Pearl Harbor attack to happen, whether or not the U.S. Navy knew the U.S.S. Maine had a boiler explosion and wasn&#8217;t sunk by a mine.  People still think that the Lusitania was set on a suicide mission to get the United States into World War One.  These myths will always remain, and it&#8217;s good that they do because they spark investigation and a search for understanding of these world changing events.  The relationship between the 911 attacks and the invasion of Iraq is interesting in that both have a long list of conspiracy theories attacked to each, and yet the abstract, more indirect relationship between the two events is dismissed out of hand.  To that end, even if one believes the relationship between Iraq War and 911 attacks is a conspiracy theory, it&#8217;s worthwhile to examine if for no other reason than harvesting a better understanding. <span id="more-27452"></span></p>
<p>Opponents of President Bush and of the invasion of Iraq often claim, &#8220;Iraq did not attack the United States on Sept 11, 2001,&#8221; but Germany, Italy, and the rest of the Axis didn&#8217;t attack Pearl Harbor either and yet the U.S. went to war with them as well as the Japanese.  Why?  Because those Axis powers had an alliance, an agreement to help the Japanese.  It was a paper only agreement (history shows us that there were no battles with uber-racist NAZI S.S. troops fighting alongside Japanese troops), but it was an agreement none-the-less.  Additionally, the Axis nations declared war on the United States after the Pearl Harbor attacks.  Similarly, we know from <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHspzNEkX7U">Clinton Administration claims</a>, from captured documents, from pre-war and post-war intelligence that Saddam&#8217;s intelligence agencies had relationships with various groups in the Al Queda terrorist network of groups.  We know from the <a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/11/98110602_nlt.html">1998 Clinton Administration indictment of Osama Bin Laden</a> that the two had reached an agreement to get WMD into the hands of the Al Queda network of terrorist groups.  </p>
<blockquote><p>the indictment states that Al Qaeda reached an agreement<br />
with Iraq not to work against the regime of Saddam Hussein and that<br />
they would work cooperatively with Iraq, particularly in weapons<br />
development.</p></blockquote>
<p>We also know from 1990-2003 Saddam&#8217;s government considered itself at war with the United States and from 1992-today Osama Bin Laden&#8217;s Al Queda network of terrorist groups has been at war with the United States.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Why did Osama Bin Laden and Al Queda go to war with the United States in 1992?  According to the 911 Commission&#8217;s final report, the reason that the Al Queda network went to war with the United States, and ultimately the reason for the September 11, 2001 attacks was 4 different things (pg48-49)</p>
<blockquote><p>He [Osama Bin Laden] inveighed against the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam’s holiest sites.<br />
He spoke of the suffering of the Iraqi people as a result of sanctions imposed after the Gulf War, and<br />
he protested U.S. support of Israel.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why were American forces in Saudi Arabia from 1992-2001?  They were there for one reason: to enforce no-fly-zones over Iraq which were there to protect Iraqis from Saddam.  If the United States had removed Saddam in 1991, then the U.S. forces wouldn&#8217;t have been needed in Saudi Arabia, and Osama Bin Laden&#8217;s first casus belli wouldn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Why was Osama concerned about the suffering of the Iraqi people?  He was concerned-like many around the globe-because the U.S. led sanctions were starving tens of millions of people as a failed means of influencing Saddam.  Again, had the United States removed Saddam in 1991, Osama Bin Laden&#8217;s second casus belli against the United States-his second reason for the 911 attacks-wouldn&#8217;t have existed.  </p>
<p>Why was Osama Bin Laden so concerned about the United States support for Israel in the 1992-2001 period when Al Queda went to war with the United States?  What was unique about that period in America&#8217;s support for Israel?  In much of the Arab World (and in anti-Semitic circles around the world as well), America&#8217;s continued pressure on Saddam Hussein&#8217;s regime was viewed as an American shield for Israel; as the United States protecting Israel from Saddam and other aggressive Arab regimes.</p>
<p>The historical lesson and inescapable fact is that if the United States had chosen to remove Saddam from power in 1991, OR if the United States had simply walked away from Iraq in 1991 and washed their hands of Saddam&#8217;s regime without trying to compel compliance with United Nations resolutions, then Saddam&#8217;s regime would have remained in power, BUT the reasons for Osama Bin Laden and the Al Queda terrorist networks&#8217; war on the United States simply would not exist; i.e. the reasons for the Sept 11, 2001 attacks wouldn&#8217;t have existed.</p>
<p>Would Osama Bin Laden and his network still have found other reasons to wage war on the United States?  One cannot tell for certain, but it does seem that their nature and their destiny has been to fight superpowers, and with the United States as the sole superpower in the 1990&#8217;s, it seems more than likely other excuses for casus belli would have been claimed.</p>
<p>Would Saddam Hussein have still been a threat to the United States if he had been left in power in 1991, and if the United States didn&#8217;t pursue compliance with U.N. Resolutions?  Absolutely.  In 1992 U.N. inspectors found that Saddam&#8217;s regime had actually built a nuclear bomb, but lacked enriched uranium for it.  From 1992-1995 U.N. inspectors found vast amounts of WMD.  Saddam had invaded or attacked every single one of his neighbors during his reign, he&#8217;d used WMD in the past, had ordered them used against U.S. troops in the 1991 Gulf War (Iraq Survey Group Report, transcript of recording, vol II).  Few reasonable leaders would argue that Saddam was not a threat, and no one would argue that a Saddam Hussein who still had ballistic missiles, WMD, and more in 1992 was not a regional or even global threat.  Determined that he was a threat, Saddam either had to be removed in 1991 by the United States, in the 1991-2003 period by internal forces (multiple attempts at which all failed with increasing futlity), or by the United States in 2003.</p>
<p>The abstract, and more indirect relationship between the 911 attacks and the invasion of Iraq is simple: the war with Al Queda and their attacks on the United States (including the 911 attacks) were blowback, <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/iraq_and_911not_the_same_battl_1.html">consequences, fragmentary effects of the 1991 invasion of Kuwait and Iraq.</a></p>
<p>The DIRECT relationship between the 911 attacks and Saddam&#8217;s regime is far more debated.  To be clear, the hijackers were no more Iraqi than the pilots who bombed Pearl Harbor were German and Italian.  However, the question of direct Iraqi ties to the 911 attacks go back to that very day when-as the attacks were happening-Iraq shot down an unarmed Predator drone over Iraq that was searching for WMD etc.  On that day, after getting sparse, scattered, and chaotic information about the attacks-while they were happening, and while getting 2-3x as many false reports and rumors of attacks, members of the Bush Administration were not at all culpable or irresponsible for asking if Saddam&#8217;s regime was behind the attacks.  </p>
<p>In fact, at the time it had become a common cultural expectation.  During the 1990&#8217;s the Clinton Administration repeatedly claimed that Saddam&#8217;s regime and the Al Queda network worked together.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7n3ivH3pCQ">Mass media reports of the time carried this theme fully and without question.</a>  It was even showing up in movies where characters would claim anything-even meteor showers on New York City were the result of Saddam (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L70wJavN3vI">Armaggeddon</a> ffwd to 1:40).</p>
<p>Unfortunately, on Sept 11, 2001 there was no way to tell if the attacks were directly or just indirectly related to the on-going American war against Saddam (a war that was so poorly reported that most Americans even today fail to realize it even happened, but conversely was so burned into the minds of the Arab Street at the time that it still conjures up bitter memories in the region).  </p>
<p>The question of direct Iraqi involvement in the 911 attacks was investigated first by the Bush Administration, and they found no evidence to make a conclusion.  Subsequent investigations by the CIA, FBI, the House and Senate intelligence committees, the entire intelligence community, the 911 Commission and more all ran into the same problem: there was no evidence.  For political partisans opposed to President Bush and/or the invasion of Iraq that was enough to support their argument that the invasion was somehow not necessary.   The conclusion they promoted-that there was &#8220;no evidence&#8221; of a direct involvement was but 1/3 of the truth.  Another 1/3 was the reason that there was &#8220;no evidence&#8217; was because almost none had been collected or analyzed, and the reason for that (almost always ignored by political opponents of the Iraq invasion) was that from December 1998-December 2002 the United States had not a single spy inside Iraq.  For four years there was no evidence collected, and thus there was &#8220;no evidence.&#8221;  </p>
<blockquote><p>Most alarmingly, after 1998 and the exit of the U.N. inspectors, the CIA had no human intelligence sources inside Iraq who were collecting against the WMD target.<br />
- Senator Pat Roberts 070904 SIC Release of WMD investigation report<br />
Press Conference transcript</p></blockquote>
<p>The last 1/3 is the most obvious, and the most deliberately ignored for political purposes: every single investigation that looked at the question of direct regime ties to the 911 attacks and/or the Al Queda network of terrorist groups <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/04/18/saddams-ties-to-al-quedadebunk/">ALWAYS </a>pointed out that because so little evidence had been collected, the issue was to remain open-not closed or concluded.</p>
<p>After the invasion, innumerable direct ties between the Al Queda network of terrorist groups and Saddam&#8217;s regime have been <a href="http://regimeofterror.com/archives/preinvasion/">uncovered</a>.  These ties are shown in captured and authenticated documents, in the <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/07/11/fmr-interrogator-reveals-saddams-regime-did-have-close-ties-to-al-queda/">interrogation </a>of former regime leaders, and in the <a href="http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2009/07/former_civilian_senior_intelli_1/">capture </a>of Al Queda operatives.  In fact, the relationship between the regime and the network was far far more involved than any relationship between Germany and Japan or Mussolini and Tojo.</p>
<p>Yet it remains a political issue more than a historical one today.  six years after the second invasion of Iraq, eight years after the 911 attacks, 17 years after Osama and the Al Queda network declared war on the United States, and 18 years after the United States and Saddam&#8217;s regime went to war over Kuwait.</p>
<p>Perhaps, now that President Bush is gone, and there is no more need to use the invasion of Iraq as a draw issue for his opposition&#8230;perhaps now people can be mentally brave enough to recognize the undeniable blowback/more-indirect relationship between <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ignored-War-Sam-Pender/dp/1589396642/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1252675355&#038;sr=1-2">the Ignored War on Saddam&#8217;s regime (1991-2001)</a> and the 911 attacks.  There certainly is no more reason to deny this fact, and there&#8217;s no more reason to avoid a conclusive investigation into the depth of regime ties to the Al Queda network of terrorist groups.</p>
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		<title>Welcome Home Capt. Scott Speicher</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The remains of Navy Captain Scott Speicher, a pilot who has been missing since being shot down during the 1991 Gulf War, have been positively identified. The Pentagon has released a statement:
The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP) has positively identified remains recovered in Iraq as those of Captain Michael Scott Speicher. Captain Speicher was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/welcome-home-capt-scott-speicher.html">The remains of Navy Captain Scott Speicher, a pilot who has been missing since being shot down during the 1991 Gulf War, have been positively identified</a>. The Pentagon has released a statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP) has positively identified remains recovered in Iraq as those of Captain Michael Scott Speicher. Captain Speicher was shot down flying a combat mission in an F/A-18 Hornet over west-central Iraq on January 17th, 1991 during Operation Desert Storm.</p>
<p>&#8220;Our thoughts and prayers are with Captain Speicher&#8217;s family for the ultimate sacrifice he made for his country,&#8221; said Ray Mabus, Secretary of the Navy. &#8220;I am also extremely grateful to all those who have worked so tirelessly over the last 18 years to bring Captain Speicher home.&#8221;</p>
<p>“Our Navy will never give up looking for a shipmate, regardless of how long or how difficult that search may be,” said Admiral Gary Roughead, Chief of Naval Operations. “We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to Captain Speicher and his family for the sacrifice they have made for our nation and the example of strength they have set for all of us.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The statement goes on to recount the details of how Capt. Speicher&#8217;s remains were found, and the likelihood that he died on impact. I am so glad that the remains have been identified, and the mystery solved. <span id="more-25718"></span></p>
<p>Much like the disappearance of Etan Patz, the Speicher case has been weighing on my mind. While every missing person and serviceman is important, some cases take on a special meaning in our consciousness. I&#8217;m glad that Capt. Speicher&#8217;s family has the certainty of knowing what happened, and of burying him in the U.S.A</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Tony Blair to testify at latest Iraq Inquiry (UK)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[LONDON (Reuters) &#8211; Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair will be asked to testify to a panel investigating the Iraq war, the head of the inquiry said Thursday.
Former civil servant John Chilcot said the inquiry, set up by Prime Minister Gordon Brown, would look at British involvement in the war, covering the period from the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>LONDON (Reuters) &#8211; Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair will be asked to testify to a panel investigating the Iraq war, the head of the inquiry said Thursday.</p>
<p>Former civil servant John Chilcot said the inquiry, set up by Prime Minister Gordon Brown, would look at British involvement in the war, covering the period from the summer of 2001 to the end of July this year.</p>
<p>&#8220;The people we invite to give evidence will be those we judge &#8230; are best placed to supply the information we need to conduct our task thoroughly,&#8221; the inquiry chairman told a news conference.</p>
<p>&#8220;That will, of course, include the <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUSTRE56T24920090730">former prime minister and other senior figures involved in decision taking</a>,&#8221; he added.</p>
<p>Blair&#8217;s decision to send 45,000 troops to join the U.S.-led invasion to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein six years ago provoked massive anti-war protests in London and the resignations of ministers.</p></blockquote>
<p>No Truth Commissions here in the US (though if Obama&#8217;s poll numbers take another hit, and Healthcare fails&#8230;it&#8217;s a good bet there&#8217;ll be more dancing &#038; calling for one from the distraction driven Dems.<br />
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<p>Call me Tony.  I&#8217;m happy to help w the timeline &#038; pics<br />
 <img src='http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Fmr Interrogator Reveals Saddam&#8217;s Regime DID Have Close Ties to Al Queda</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/07/11/fmr-interrogator-reveals-saddams-regime-did-have-close-ties-to-al-queda/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one of those articles that I really REALLY hope people will read before just commenting on the headline or the quoted sections.  In fact, I think it&#8217;s one of the best articles I&#8217;ve seen on this subject in half a decade.  Yes, it&#8217;s long, detailed, and forces many readers to question [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of those articles that I really REALLY hope people will read before just commenting on the headline or the quoted sections.  In fact, I think it&#8217;s one of the best articles I&#8217;ve seen on this subject in half a decade.  Yes, it&#8217;s long, detailed, and forces many readers to question their previously held beliefs about regime ties to the Al Queda terrorist network, but it&#8217;s not the typical anti-Bush/anti-war piece or a woohoo-Bush-was-right piece either.   It is EXACTLY why: members of the 911 Commission, Sen Intel Com, as well as others (and why every investigation into the subject of regime ties) have <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/04/18/saddams-ties-to-al-quedadebunk/">called for MORE investigation</a> (while specifically saying the matter should not be closed).  Mark&#8217;s done <a href="http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2009/07/former_civilian_senior_intelli_1/">a fantastic piece of work here</a>, and it deserves reading.<br />
-Scott</p>
<blockquote><p>During a series of email and telephone exchanges Matthew Degn relayed to <a href="http://www.regimeofterror.com" title="http://www.regimeofterror.com" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">www.regimeofterror.com&#8230;</a> his vast array of experiences working with intelligence issues relating to the current and former situation in Iraq. Among his responsibilities during his years in Iraq Degn worked as a civilian interrogator attached to the U.S. Army in Iraq before working as a Senior Policy/Intelligence Adviser to Deputy General Kamal and other top intelligence officials with the Iraq&#8217;s Ministry of Interior. Degn, currently working on a book about his experiences in Iraq (personal website here), continues to argue against those that feel there was no link between terrorism and Saddam Hussein&#8217;s regime based on his involvement with hundreds of interrogations in Iraq and his involvement with many of the Iraqi Intelligence officials with the Ministry of Interior. Degn says that much of the public perception about Saddam Hussein&#8217;s regime and terrorism are incorrect.</p>
<p>Degn is currently the Director of the Intelligence Studies Program and a professor at American Military University currently a professor at American Military University whose testimony about events in Iraq has been cited by NPR, ABC News, the Washington Post and elsewhere.</p>
<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size:180%;">~~~</span></div>
<p>Another reason for conflicting reports that Degn pointed out is both the chain of command in the U.S. government&#8217;s many agencies and compartmentalization of information (&#8221;need to know&#8221;). Degn said he saw firsthand how these two factors led to vital wartime information being &#8220;watered down&#8221; before it mades its way to official reports and investigations.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Today I Remember Sgt. Eddie Jeffers</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Propaganda is described in many ways, but one of those has got to be the kneejerk reliance and subsequent marketing of half quotes as whole truths.  A half quote is a half truth, and this poor excuse for honest, factually accurate information is no doubt why newspapers are failing, and why their writers are fleeing to the Obama Administration for PR employment as spinmeisters. Take for example this <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/national-security/story/68643.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&#038;qwxq=2849316">article</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Dick Cheney&#8217;s defense Thursday of the Bush administration&#8217;s policies for interrogating suspected terrorists contained omissions, exaggerations and misstatements. </p>
<p>In his address to the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative policy organization in Washington, Cheney said that the techniques the Bush administration approved, including waterboarding — simulated drowning that&#8217;s considered a form of torture — forced nakedness and sleep deprivation, were &#8220;legal&#8221; and produced information that &#8220;prevented the violent death of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE President Bush’s Sept 6, 2006 address on this topic listed specific examples of this.  Also, recently declassified CIA documents show that Congress was briefed on the “actionable intelligence” that the EIT program yielded.  A partial list of thwarted attacks is available <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/05/14/partial-list-of-thwarted-al-queda-attacks/">here</a>.]<br />
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<blockquote><p>He quoted the Director of National Intelligence, Adm. Dennis Blair, as saying that the information gave U.S. officials a &#8220;deeper understanding of the al Qaida organization that was attacking this country.&#8221; </p>
<p>In a statement April 21, however, Blair said the information &#8220;was valuable in some instances&#8221; but that &#8220;there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means. …”</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE:  The Admiral doesn’t make clear if by “other means” he means other enhanced interrogation techniques or something more extreme.  However, the CIA documents that President Obama declassified for political purposes clearly show that the use of EITs was only done AFTER traditional interrogation methods had been used, AFTER multiple levels of higher authority had approved their use, and a clear requirement for using the EITs instead of traditional interrogation methods had to be demonstrated before they were authorized.]</p>
<blockquote><p>“…The bottom line is that these techniques hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: The admiral and writers miss the point that it’s not JUST the secret techniques that damaged American image abroad-as the revelation of most secret programs would do, but that the illegal exposure of the EIT program by the economically struggling New York Times  (whether for financial or political reasons) is what caused the damage.  Had the program remained as secret as other offensive covert CIA programs…there would have likely been no damage at all.  In fact, the program didn’t include any sort of public relations staff or plan at all.]</p>
<blockquote><p>A top-secret 2004 CIA inspector general&#8217;s investigation found no conclusive proof that information gained from aggressive interrogations helped thwart any &#8220;specific imminent attacks,&#8221; according to one of four top-secret Bush-era memos that the Justice Department released last month.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: the CIA’s Inspector General investigation only looked at CIA involvement regarding the EIT program.  It did not look at how intelligence gained from EITs was used by American leaders and the 16 other intelligence agencies.  However, people who did have that knowledge-like 4 CIA Directors, Vice President Cheney, President Bush, and more-have all said that the intelligence gathered by the CIA <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/05/13/torture-worked/">led to attacks being thwarted</a>.]</p>
<blockquote><p>FBI Director Robert Mueller told Vanity Fair magazine in December that he didn&#8217;t think that the techniques disrupted any attacks.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE:  Vanity Fair?  Gosh, I wonder what he “revealed” to Rolling Stone, GQ, and TEEN Magazine?!  Is this the same FBI Director Mueller who told a concerned President Bush in August 2001 that the FBI had the situation in control, was conducting 70+ investigations, had the 20th hijacker in custody w the entire 911 plot on his laptop (also in Mueller's custody), and still the 911 attacks occurred?  One wonders if the 911 plot could have been thwarted had EIT's been used on Zacarias Moussoui, or even if they'd have had the political courage to open his laptop despite the ominous presence of the ACLU's shadow protecting the right to privacy on that laptop?]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/speeches/09.06.06.html">LINK TO BUSH&#8217;S SEPT 6.2006 SPEECH DETAILING HOW IT PREVENTED ATTACKS</a></p>
<blockquote><p>_ Cheney said that President Barack Obama&#8217;s decision to release the four top-secret Bush administration memos on the interrogation techniques was &#8220;flatly contrary&#8221; to U.S. national security, and would help al Qaida train terrorists in how to resist U.S. interrogations.</p>
<p>However, Blair, who oversees all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, said in his statement that he recommended the release of the memos, &#8220;strongly supported&#8221; Obama&#8217;s decision to prohibit using the controversial methods and that &#8220;we do not need these techniques to keep America safe.&#8221;</p>
<p>_ Cheney said that the Bush administration &#8220;moved decisively against the terrorists in their hideouts and their sanctuaries, and committed to using every asset to take down their networks.&#8221;</p>
<p>The former vice president didn&#8217;t point out that Osama bin Laden and his chief lieutenant, Ayman al Zawahri, remain at large nearly eight years after 9-11 and that the Bush administration began diverting U.S. forces, intelligence assets, time and money to planning an invasion of Iraq before it finished the war in Afghanistan against al Qaida and the Taliban.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: Let the leftist talking points begin!  VP Cheney is correct that the US devastated Al Queda in 2001 and 2002 as well as later covertly.  Writers of this article, however, can’t seem to pick up a calendar and realize that Al Queda largely escaped Afghanistan in December 2001, and was almost completely driven from the country in the first 3 months of 2002.  When there were just remnants of Al Queda in Afghanistan, the US handed over most of the responsibility for the war there to our NATO allies, and left mopping up forces in country with the belief that relying on allies was a good idea.  Then there was a 4-5 month period in 2002 when the US began to update its military strategies for Iraq, and in September 2002 (6 months after the final major battle with Al Queda in Afghanistan), the US began its military/political/diplomatic runup to war in Iraq.   Partisan political opponents of the Iraq invasion called this September 2002-March 2003, 6-month period the “Rush to war,” but sometimes that term also encompasses the additional, previous 6-months during which Al Queda fled to Pakistan and the war in Afghanistan dwindled to a mopping-up operation.  Only ONE U.S. military unit was shifted from Afghanistan to the invasion of Iraq (the 5th Special Operations Unit), and that unit specialized in using indigenous forces to overthrow a country covertly and with the support of air power rather than full out invasion.  No other units were diverted from fighting Al Queda in Afghanistan (which had already fled Afghanistan) to the invasion of Iraq.   These are chronological, historical facts that the writers of the article are either ignorant of realizing or chose to deliberately ignore for purposes of misleading.  Short version: someone needs a calendar]</p>
<blockquote><p>There are now 49,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan fighting to contain the bloodiest surge in Taliban violence since the 2001 U.S.-led intervention, and Islamic extremists also have launched their most concerted attack yet on neighboring, nuclear-armed Pakistan.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: Eight years after driving Al Queda from Afghanistan, they are still not back in anywhere near the same size in forces, and remain in Pakistan-not Afghanistan.  Sending troops to fight Al Queda in a country that they are not largely in…is a mistake, and while the writers use correct facts about a Taliban offensive and the numbers of US forces in Afghanistan eight years after driving out Al Queda, these facts are distractions from the reality that the fight against Al Queda in Afghanistan never resurged to post April 2002 levels.  The fight against Al Queda’s allies, the Taliban has resurged, and relying on America’s allies has proven to be folly at best which is why the offensive has happened, and why US forces have been sent back in en masse.] </p>
<blockquote><p>_ Cheney denied that there was any connection between the Bush administration&#8217;s interrogation policies and the abuse of detainee at Iraq&#8217;s Abu Ghraib prison, which he blamed on &#8220;a few sadistic guards . . . in violation of American law, military regulations and simple decency.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, a bipartisan Senate Armed Services Committee report in December traced the abuses at Abu Ghraib to the approval of the techniques by senior Bush administration officials, including former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.</p>
<p>“The abuse of detainees in U.S. custody cannot simply be attributed to the actions of &#8216;a few bad apples&#8217; acting on their own,&#8221; said the report issued by Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and John McCain, R-Ariz. &#8220;The fact is that senior officials in the United States government solicited information on how to use aggressive techniques, redefined the law to create the appearance of their legality and authorized their use against detainees.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: Notice how the writers take Cheney’s core point-that Abu Ghraib and Gitmo are not connected-and distract from it by focusing on three words used to describe Abu Ghraib.  The point remains unchallenged: the EIT program at Gitmo which is the subject of much debate and discussion these days is not an episode in history identical to the criminal abuses at Abu Ghraib.]</p>
<blockquote><p>_ Cheney said that &#8220;only detainees of the highest intelligence value&#8221; were subjected to the harsh interrogation techniques, and he cited Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, the alleged mastermind of the 9-11 attacks.</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t mention Abu Zubaydah, the first senior al Qaida operative to be captured after 9-11. Former FBI special agent Ali Soufan told a Senate subcommittee last week that his interrogation of Zubaydah using traditional methods elicited crucial information, including Mohammed&#8217;s alleged role in 9-11.</p>
<p>The decision to use the harsh interrogation methods &#8220;was one of the worst and most harmful decisions made in our efforts against al Qaida,&#8221; Soufan said. Former State Department official Philip Zelikow, who in 2005 was then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice&#8217;s point man in an internal fight to overhaul the Bush administration&#8217;s detention policies, joined Soufan in his criticism.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: The writers are completely incorrect in their claim, and in their poor writing, that Cheney somehow said only 1 person was subjected to waterboarding.  He specifically said there were three.  He just didn’t give their names, hair color, weight, or grandmothers’ maiden names all of which would have been as relevant as their names to his point: that only 3 people were waterboarded.]</p>
<blockquote><p>_ Cheney said that &#8220;the key to any strategy is accurate intelligence,&#8221; but the Bush administration ignored warnings from experts in the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the State Department, the Department of Energy and other agencies, and used false or exaggerated intelligence supplied by Iraqi exile groups and others to help make its case for the 2003 invasion.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: One of the problems with writing under the influence of emotion and a lack of historical hindsight is that what pops up on the screen can sometimes be an oxymoron rather than a clear point.  Here the writers are trying to say that Cheney claimed “accurate intelligence” is important, but that he somehow didn’t rely on “accurate intelligence” for the 2003 war.  Does this mean that having “accurate intelligence” is not important?  Are they trying to say that Cheney is correct, and having “accurate intelligence” IS important?  If the first, then they’re ignoring the fact that 6yrs after the invasion of Iraq Cheney thinks it is important, and he is correct.  If they’re trying to make the second point (that “accurate intelligence” is not important, then they’re effectively saying that the intelligence used for the invasion of Iraq was enough.  Either way, they present an oxymoronic argument that ignores the two greatest lessons of both the 911 attacks and the invasion of Iraq: 1) America’s intelligence services were woefully inadequate from 1998-2007…at least, and 2) Of course having “accurate intelligence” is important, but it’s been almost a decade since American intelligence services were brought back up to speed and strength after the peace dividend cuts of 1998, and historical flashpoints and the actions of America’s enemies do not wait for “accurate intelligence”; they strike when its weakest.  “Accurate intelligence” is important, but NEVER accurate enough, and rarely in sufficient qualities.]</p>
<blockquote><p>Cheney made no mention of al Qaida operative Ali Mohamed al Fakheri, who&#8217;s known as Ibn Sheikh al Libi, whom the Bush administration secretly turned over to Egypt for interrogation in January 2002. While allegedly being tortured by Egyptian authorities, Libi provided false information about Iraq&#8217;s links with al Qaida, which the Bush administration used despite doubts expressed by the DIA.</p>
<p>A state-run Libyan newspaper said Libi committed suicide recently in a Libyan jail.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: al Libi was alive in US custody, and <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/05/21/obamas-plan-to-close-gitmowas-bushs-plan-3yr-ago/">the Bush/Obama policy</a> of handing over unsavory characters to their home countries didn't work out too well for him.]</p>
<blockquote><p>_ Cheney accused Obama of &#8220;the selective release&#8221; of documents on Bush administration detainee policies, charging that Obama withheld records that Cheney claimed prove that information gained from the harsh interrogation methods prevented terrorist attacks.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve formally asked that (the information) be declassified so the American people can see the intelligence we obtained,&#8221; Cheney said. &#8220;Last week, that request was formally rejected.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, the decision to withhold the documents was announced by the CIA, which said that it was obliged to do so by a 2003 executive order issued by former President George W. Bush prohibiting the release of materials that are the subject of lawsuits.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: President Obama had no problem releasing politically suggestive documents regarding the EIT program despite the fact that they too are subject of the exact same lawsuits as the documents VP Cheney, as well as both Democrats and Republicans, want to see released.  The same executive order cited by the writers allows President Obama to release the Cheney documents, but the writers chose not to let the readers believe there’s duplicity on the part of the Obama Administration, themselves, or that politics are being played with national security.]</p>
<blockquote><p>_ Cheney said that only &#8220;ruthless enemies of this country&#8221; were detained by U.S. operatives overseas and taken to secret U.S. prisons.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: This is completely not true, and anyone who actually watched Vice President Cheney and/or read the text of his speech knows it.  The writers know it, and that’s why the word “ONLY” is not included in the quote.  It’s not there because he didn’t say “ONLY.”  That false claim is put forth by the writers-writers who follow up their false quote by arguing against their own false quote that it wasn’t “only ruthless enemies of this country.”  What the writers do not dispute (conveniently) is that “ruthless enemies of this country” were held at Gitmo exactly as Vice President described.]</p>
<blockquote><p>A 2008 McClatchy investigation, however, found that the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees captured in 2001 and 2002 in Afghanistan and Pakistan were innocent citizens or low-level fighters of little intelligence value who were turned over to American officials for money or because of personal or political rivalries.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: This has nothing to do with what Vice President Cheney said.  He never said there were no innocent detainees, and the writers acknowledge that by not putting the word “ONLY” in the quote from VP Cheney.]</p>
<blockquote><p>In addition, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Oct. 5, 2005, that the Bush administration had admitted to her that it had mistakenly abducted a German citizen, Khaled Masri, from Macedonia in January 2004.</p>
<p>Masri reportedly was flown to a secret prison in Afghanistan, where he allegedly was abused while being interrogated. He was released in May 2004 and dumped on a remote road in Albania.</p>
<p>In January 2007, the German government issued arrest warrants for 13 alleged CIA operatives on charges of kidnapping Masri.</p>
<p>[NOTE: This has nothing to do with what Vice President Cheney said.  He never said there were no innocent detainees, and the writers acknowledge that by not putting the word “ONLY” in the quote from VP Cheney.]</p>
<p>_ Cheney slammed Obama&#8217;s decision to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp and criticized his effort to persuade other countries to accept some of the detainees.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: This is incorrect.  The Vice President opposed the ignorant choice to close Gitmo <strong>before having a plan</strong> to close it.]</p>
<blockquote><p>The effort to shut down the facility, however, began during Bush&#8217;s second term, promoted by Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.</p>
<p>&#8220;One of the things that would help a lot is, in the discussions that we have with the states of which they (detainees) are nationals, if we could get some of those countries to take them back,&#8221; Rice said in a Dec. 12, 2007, interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. &#8220;So we need help in closing Guantanamo.&#8221;</p>
<p>_ Cheney said that, in assessing the security environment after 9-11, the Bush team had to take into account &#8220;dictators like Saddam Hussein with known ties to Mideast terrorists.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: This claim that Saddam Hussein had known ties to Mideast terrorists was never disputed by any Director of the CIA, by President Clinton, by President Bush Sr., or by the FBI.  In fact, part of the 1998 Department of Justice indictment of Osama Bin Laden specifically cites his ties to the Saddam Hussein regime.]</p>
<blockquote><p>Cheney didn&#8217;t explicitly repeat the contention he made repeatedly in office: that Saddam cooperated with al Qaida, a linkage that U.S. intelligence officials and numerous official inquiries have rebutted repeatedly.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE:  This is completely false.  No intelligence leader, no intelligence publication, and no independent commission has ever said that the issue of regime ties to the Al Queda network and its affiliates (using the Obama nomenclature) has ever been fully investigated, or concluded.  In fact, quite the opposite is true: <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/04/18/saddams-ties-to-al-quedadebunk/">all bi-partisan and/or independent investigations have called for more investigation into the matter as initial intelligence was almost non-existent and post-invasion intelligence shows a trend of demonstrating more and more ties rather than fewer</a>.]</p>
<blockquote><p>The late Iraqi dictator&#8217;s association with terrorists vacillated and was mostly aimed at quashing opponents and critics at home and abroad.</p>
<p>The last State Department report on international terrorism to be released before 9-11 said that Saddam&#8217;s regime &#8220;has not attempted an anti-Western terrorist attack since its failed plot to assassinate former President (George H.W.) Bush in 1993 in Kuwait.&#8221;</p>
<p>[NOTE: The writers here are actually suggesting that the State Department’s intelligence assessment (or any intelligence assessment before 911) was accurate?  After the 911 attacks, the House and Senate Intelligence Committees formed a bi-partisan investigation into how and why the attacks succeeded.  Among the shocking revelations was the fact that from 1998-9/11/01 there was an average of 4-40 people in the entire 16 American intelligence agencies watching the entire Al Queda network.  Later, a Senate Intelligence Committee, bi-partisan investigation pointed out in 2004 that between 12/98 and 12/03 (FIVE YEARS!) there was not a single human intelligence asset inside all of Iraq.  Yet, these same writers who danced with the idea of how important “accurate intelligence” is earlier in their article want to rely on a report that formed a conclusion about a 2 entities where one had not a single human intelligence asset, and the other had a whopping four people watching the entire network.  Their focus on the need for “accurate intelligence” is clearly subjective to whatever point they’re trying to make rather than consistent.] </p>
<p>A Pentagon study released last year, based on a review of <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-zimmerman-telegram-and-the-captured-saddam-documents/">600,000 Iraqi documents captured after the U.S.-led invasion</a>, concluded that while Saddam supported militant Palestinian groups — the late terrorist Abu Nidal found refuge in Baghdad, at least until Saddam had him killed — the Iraqi security services had no &#8220;<a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/10/democrats-admit-saddams-regime-harbored-al-queda/">direct operational link</a>&#8221; with <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/23/saddams-files-they-show-terror-plots-but-raise-new-questions-about-some-media-claims/">al Qaida</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>[NOTE: This is not true.  If it were, the writers would have included the entire quote.  In almost every case, those who believe that the threat of Saddam’s regime working with Al Queda was non-existent are basing those beliefs on at least one of three things:</p>
<p>1)      Hope.  The thought of a rogue regime with <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/category/war-on-terror/wmd/">WMD </a>is a nightmare that many cannot imagine.</p>
<p>2)      Denial.  Whether it was the 1998 Clinton impeachment, the 2000 election, the 911 attacks, or the invasion of Iraq, partisan divide has become engrained in many Americans over the last 11 yrs.  For those who follow the news, politics, and history it is particularly acute.  As such, skepticism reigns.  If someone tends to doubt Democrats, then anything said by a Democratic leader is automatically so doubtful for many people that it is assumed to be either a lie or at least not true.  The same is conversely true for people who have followed those dividing events closely and view anything said by a Republican as intrinsically false, misleading, a lie, or a cover-up of some sorts.</p>
<p>3)      Half truths come from half quotes.  As we’ve seen throughout this oped article, relying on partial quotes is extremely irresponsible sometimes.  It’s mostly irresponsible when a person deliberately ignores an important caveat.  If there is a sign that says, “No Turn On Red During Weekday Hours 5-7pm,” and the driver ignores the second part…then they’re likely to cause an accident or get fined.  When a quote says, “There is no evidence of a tie between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein…” it’s important to read the rest of the quote and not dismiss it because it fits one’s political agenda or conflicts with a mental fear.   </p>
<p>If the FULL QUOTE/FULL TRUTH is, “There is no evidence of a tie between <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/05/02/iraq-prime-minister-says-there-is-now-proof-of-ties-between-saddams-regime-and-al-queda-network-in-2003/">Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein</a> because we had no one watching either Iraq or Al Queda for 4yrs, and <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/04/29/al-qaeda-figurehead-working-in-league-with-holdover-saddamists/">more intelligence needs to be collected</a> before a conclusion can be reached.” Then ignoring the second half of the quote, ignoring the whole truth in favor of a false, half truth is wrong.  </p>
<p>The only thing more wrong is marketing that half truth as though it were fact.  Take for example the very last part of this article-the part about the investigation into the 600,000 captured documents from Saddam’s regime.  Did the <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/04/24/jonathon-landay-and-mcclatchy-newspapers-still-ignorant-about-saddams-ties-to-al-queda/">writers </a>mention that only about 1/5 of those documents had been examined?  Did they mention that the very same report cited multiple, confirmed, documented, operational ties between Saddam’s regime and Al Queda network groups/affiliates?  No.  Why would they leave that out and present a false impression that the issue had been <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/13/cia-agents-confirm-al-queda-was-in-iraq-in-before-invasion/">fully investigated</a>, <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/31/al-queda-in-iraq-groups-being-defeated-by-international-heroes/">fully concluded</a>, and is <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/2002-memo-continues-to-show-saddams-regime-tied-to-al-queda/">closed</a>?]</p>
<p>More on ties between Saddam&#8217;s regime and (as Pres. Obama likes to say&#8230;.) &#8220;<a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/category/war-on-terror/iraqal-qaeda-connection/page/1/">the Al Queda terrorist network and its affiliates</a>.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Iraq Prime Minister Says There Is Now Proof of Ties Between Saddam&#8217;s Regime and Al Queda Network In 2003</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe now that President Obama&#8217;s in charge of the war in Iraq, and there&#8217;s no need to lie, distort, or half quote truths to oppose the war (can&#8217;t oppose it if it&#8217;s run by a Democrat)&#8230;maybe now people will realize:
1) the matter was never closed by any investigation
2) there&#8217;s hundreds of times more information demonstrating [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe now that President Obama&#8217;s in charge of the war in Iraq, and there&#8217;s no need to lie, distort, or half quote truths to oppose the war (can&#8217;t oppose it if it&#8217;s run by a Democrat)&#8230;maybe now people will realize:<br />
1) the matter was never closed by any investigation<br />
2) there&#8217;s hundreds of times more information demonstrating ties than there is dismissing them</p>
<blockquote><p>BAGHDAD — The government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki said Al Qaida worked closely with former operatives in Saddam Hussein regime.   </p>
<p>Officials said leading members of the Al Qaida network have coordinated operations with Saddam aides since 2003. They said Al Qaida and Saddam forces attacked Shi&#8217;ites in an effort to spark a civil war in Iraq.</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/me_terror0344_04_30.asp">They agreed that Al Qaida would carry out the suicide attacks, while the Baathists [Saddam's ruling party] would do the remote-control bombs,</a>&#8221; Al Maliki said.</p>
<p>The Al Qaida-Saddam link, asserted by then-U.S. President George Bush in 2002, came in wake of the reported capture of a leading Al Qaida commander in Iraq.</p></blockquote>
<p>At the very least, it&#8217;s 100% clear (hindsight is 20-20) that yes, Saddam&#8217;s regime and the Al Queda network did have operational ties in 2003, and that means the invasion of Iraq<br />
<strong>HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE WAR ON TERROR.</strong><br />
<em>ht regimeofterror<br />
Mark Eichenlaub</em></p>
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		<title>al Qaeda figurehead working in league with holdover Saddamists</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The war in Iraq is no longer a good political football for Democrats (they opposed it in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and in 2009 got power/responsibility so they support it now).  Apparently that makes it ok for even the New York Times to admit that YES, Saddam&#8217;s regime (albeit in exile) [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The war in Iraq is no longer a good political football for Democrats (they opposed it in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and in 2009 got power/responsibility so they support it now).  Apparently that makes it ok for even the New York Times to admit that YES, Saddam&#8217;s regime (albeit in exile) is working directly, cooperationally, operationally with Al Queda groups-groups that even Democrats admit were in Iraq before the invasion.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In an interview with the British Broadcasting Corporation on Monday, Mr. Maliki said all of the recent attacks had resulted from coordination between Qaeda militants and elements of Mr. Hussein’s Baathists. </p>
<p>“<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/world/middleeast/29iraq.html">They agreed that Al Qaeda would carry out the suicide attacks, while the Baathists would do the remote-control bombs</a>,” he said.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, other Iraqi PMs have said this as well.  They&#8217;ve even claimed to have documents and captured regime members who trained Al Queda musclemen to take the planes on 911, BUT that was all moot and bs before.  Now that a D is in the White House, and Democrats have complete, unchecked, unstoppable power&#8230;now it&#8217;s PC to admit the obvious; to admit what soldiers, Marines, and spooks have been telling us for years.</p>
<p>ht Mark Eichenlaub</p>
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		<title>The Political Hypocrisy of The Decade Award Goes to [drum roll]</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BAGHDAD (AP) &#8211; U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton assured Iraqis on Saturday that the Obama administration would not abandon their country even as it presses ahead with plans to withdraw American troops amid a recent surge in violence.
&#8230;
&#8220;Let me assure you and repeat what President Obama said, we are committed to Iraq, we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BAGHDAD (AP) &#8211; U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton assured Iraqis on Saturday that the Obama administration would not abandon their country even as it presses ahead with plans to withdraw American troops amid a recent surge in violence.<br />
&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Let me assure you and repeat what President Obama said, <a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090425/D97PGBV80.html">we are committed to Iraq, we want to see a stable, sovereign, self-reliant Iraq</a>,&#8221; she told a nervous but receptive crowd at a town hall meeting at the U.S. Embassy in the capital.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are very committed, but the nature of our commitment may look somewhat different because we are going to be withdrawing our combat troops over the next couple of years,&#8221; Clinton said.</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-20587"></span><br />
THE OBAMA ADMINSTRATION AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!!!!</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;There is nothing more important than to have a united Iraq,&#8221; Clinton replied. &#8220;The more united Iraq is, the more you will trust your security services. The security services have to earn your trust but the people have to demand it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We will be working closely with the Iraqi government and the Iraqi security forces as we withdraw our combat troops, but we need to be sure that all of you are supporting a strong, nonsectarian security force and we will work to try and help make that happen,&#8221; she said.</p></blockquote>
<p>They opposed this war in<br />
2002<br />
2003<br />
2004<br />
2005<br />
2006<br />
2007<br />
2008<br />
and in 2009 took power, and now they pledge to never abandon Iraqis</p>
<p>um, I&#8217;m missing the consistency</p>
<p>Really, this would be like Dick Cheney going on Meet the Press and demanding an immediate, unconditional &#8220;redeployment&#8221; out of Iraq.</p>
<p>Outrage from the left that followed the Democrats for years in opposition to the war in Iraq?<br />
ZERO</p>
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		<title>Jonathan Landay and McClatchy Newspapers Still Ignorant About Saddam&#8217;s Ties To Al Queda</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier this week an article by Jonathan Landay was published by the failing McClatchy Newspapers.  The article asserted that innumerable people had been tortured with the intent and purpose of proving a tie between Saddam Hussein&#8217;s regime and the Al Queda network of terrorist groups.  The article asserted that there never were any [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier this week an article by <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/151">Jonathan Landay</a> was published by the failing McClatchy Newspapers.  The article asserted that innumerable people had been tortured with the intent and purpose of proving a tie between Saddam Hussein&#8217;s regime and the Al Queda network of terrorist groups.  The article asserted that there never were any ties between the two, and that the torturing of captured Al Queda terrorists was done largely to create a fictional narrative that would support the case for invading Iraq (let&#8217;s ignore that the alleged &#8220;torture&#8221; happened AFTER the invasion of Iraq-just as was done in the article).  </p>
<p>I attempted to contact Jonathan Landay to nicely and politely inform him that the issue of regime ties had never been closed.  He responded nicely, pointed me in the direction of a few reports, then categorically declared that no ties existed and that the intelligence community had known this all along, but the Bush Administration &#8220;cherry-picked&#8221; intelligence to make its case for war.</p>
<p>After that initial email, Jonathon refused to respond to further attempts at educating him.  SO, here we go&#8230;<br />
<span id="more-20452"></span></p>
<ul>
<li>Khalid Sheik Mohammed (mastermind of the 911 attacks) was captured in 2003 on the eve of the invasion of Iraq (literally 19 days before the invasion, and half a year since the military, diplomatic, and rhetorical run-up to invasion began).   We now know from the &#8220;torture&#8221; documents released by President Obama that &#8220;coercive interrogation&#8221;/&#8221;torture&#8221; was NOT the first method or the of choice.  It&#8217;s not like someone captured Khalid Sheik Mohammed and then cried out, &#8220;WOO HOO!  Get out the pliers so we can start pullin&#8217; fingernails!!!  Yeeee hawwwww!!&#8221;   We also know that it was only used after traditional interrogation means had failed, AND after multiple leaders had agreed to it from higher in the chain of command.  However, it&#8217;s impossible and incorrect to say that KSM was tortured to force him to create a false story that could be used to justify the invasion of Iraq&#8230;.when he was captured just days before the invasion.  Still, propagandists made that false and misleading claim (&#8217;cause they can&#8217;t look at a calender?).</li>
<p></p>
<li>The claim that raw intelligence was cherry-picked and then used to make the case for war/to mislead elected officials is completely false and debunked by a simple calender.  The cherry-picking claim stems from the idea that Doug Feith&#8217;s Office of Special Plans picked out raw intel reports, arranged them in a condemning manner, then used that to trick elected officials into thinking there was a certain relationship between the regime and Al Queda, BUT (here&#8217;s the problem) Feith&#8217;s group gave it&#8217;s last presentation to the Bush Admin on Monday, Sept 16, 2002 (4 days after Pres. Bush began his rhetoric-run-up to war with his address to the UN).  48hours later-one Wednesday, Sept 18, 2002, the CIA met with the Administration and with elected officials (including the Democrat-controlled Senate Intelligence Committee).  Any ambiguities, concerns, misleading, etc done by Feith&#8217;s group would have been cleared up and resolved and made irrelevant 48hrs after the Feith presentation.  Jonathon would know this because the dates are presented in the report that he directed me to read.</li>
<p></p>
<li>The issue of ties between Saddam&#8217;s regime and the Al Queda network of terrorist groups was never fully investigated, resolved, or closed as is often deliberately and falsely claimed.  Entire bookstore shelves are filled with volumes of books that have been written on the subject of regime ties to Al Queda (including some by me), and there&#8217;s some <a href="http://regimeofterror.com/">great websites</a> out there listing individuals in the regime and in Al Queda groups who were actually caught working together, but let&#8217;s step aside from those for the moment and see what the US government has &#8220;concluded&#8221; about regime ties&#8230;</li>
</ul>
<p>I have read the various reports from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (Sen Intel Com) regarding the issue of regime ties to Al Queda.  From what I could gather, there were several pre-invasion reports from the CIA regarding the issue of regime ties:</p>
<ul>
<li>The Sept 21, 2001 PDB (I&#8217;ve never seen a Sept 12, 2001 PDB regarding regime ties)President’s Daily Brief (PDB)<br />
-Sept, 21, 2001<br />
-Just 10 days after the 911 attacks this summary assessment clearly suffered from lack of intelligence gathering and analysis since at the time it still wasn’t 100% clear that Al Queda was behind the 911 attacks.</li>
<p></p>
<li>NESA Report on Iraq’s Ties to Terrorism (terrorism in general/not specific to Al Queda).  This was basically a preliminary draft of the CIA’s “Iraqi Support for Terrorism 2002” and “Iraqi Support for Terrorism 2003” reports<br />
-October 2001<br />
-Formed no conclusions (per Sen Intel Com rpt on pre-war intel regarding Iraq)<br />
-cited a lack of evidence and a lack of investigations into the matter as no formal investigation and analysis had ever been conducted (per Sen Intel Com rpt on pre-war intel regarding Iraq)</li>
<p></p>
<li>&#8220;Iraq and al-Qa&#8217;ida: Interpreting a Murky Relationship&#8221;<br />
-6/12/02<br />
-Formed no conclusions (per Sen Intel Com rpt on pre-war intel regarding Iraq)<br />
-specifically cited a lack of evidence gathered (per Sen Intel Com rpt on pre-war intel regarding Iraq)</li>
<p></p>
<li>“Iraqi Support for Terrorism 2002”<br />
-9/18/02<br />
-Formed no conclusions (per Sen Intel Com rpt on pre-war intel regarding Iraq)<br />
-specifically cited a lack of evidence gathered (per Sen Intel Com rpt on pre-war intel regarding Iraq)</li>
<p></p>
<li>Letter from DCI Tenet, head of the CIA, to Sen. Bob Graham, head of the Senate Intelligence Committee<br />
-10/7/02<br />
-Formed no conclusions, simply reiterated closed door testimony from CIA officials to the Senate Intelligence Committee that the more time passes, the more likely it is that Saddam would make WMD and use Al Queda to covertly and deniably attack the United States<br />
-Lists several examples of Saddam’s support for terrorism, Al Queda, and its proxy terror affiliates.</li>
<p></p>
<li>“Report of the Joint Inquiry Into the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001-By the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence  and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence”<br />
-December 2002<br />
-Reiterated the comments from the 9/21/01 PDB and the 10/7/02 Tenet Letter<br />
-Added more reports of possible Iraqi involvement in the 911 attacks, but added caveats that the reports hadn&#8217;t been fully investigated by Dec 2002<br />
-cited a lack of evidence gathered as a problem that prevented forming any conclusions  (per Sen Intel Com rpt on pre-war intel regarding Iraq)</li>
<p></p>
<li>“Iraqi Support for Terrorism 2003”<br />
-January 2003<br />
-This was basically a rehash of the 2002 version with a little new info since the CIA finally got a spy back into Iraq just a few weeks prior to its release (per Sen Intel Com rpt on pre-war intel regarding Iraq)<br />
-Formed no conclusions (per Sen Intel Com rpt on pre-war intel regarding Iraq)<br />
-specifically cited a lack of evidence gathered (per Sen Intel Com rpt on pre-war intel regarding Iraq)</li>
<p></p>
<li>“Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Investigation Into Pre-War Intelligence on Iraq (Phase I report)”<br />
-July 7, 2004<br />
-confirmed the various reports of ties between Saddam’s regime and Al Queda as presented in other reports (including confirmation of most of the comments made by Feith and his office), and repeatedly stated that the Bush Administration’s claims were “reasonable” as well as often accurate reflections of the intelligence reporting at the time.<br />
-<strong>“Due to the limited amount and questionable quality of reporting on the leadership intentions of Saddam Hussein and Usama bin Ladin, the CIA was unable to make conclusive assessments in Iraqi Support for Terrorism regarding Iraq&#8217;s relationship with al-Qaida. The CIA stated in the Scope Note: ‘Our knowledge of Iraq&#8217;s ties to terrorism is evolving DELETED. . . . ‘”</strong><br />
-at the rollout of the report, several of the senators-including Sen. Rockefeller (D), addressed the press and made it clear that the issue of regime ties to Al Queda was not looked at:<br />
<strong>&#8220;&#8230;the committee concluded there was a failure by intelligence community managers to adequately encourage analysts to challenge their assumptions, to fully consider alternative arguments, to accurately characterize intelligence reporting and to counsel analysts who had lost their objectivity.&#8221;</strong></li>
<p></p>
<li>Senator Pat Roberts 070904 SIC Release of WMD investigation report Press Conference transcript<br />
<strong>-&#8221;Most alarmingly, after 1998 and the exit of the U.N. inspectors, the CIA had no human intelligence sources inside Iraq who were collecting against the WMD target.&#8221;</strong><br />
<strong>-&#8221;But with respect to Saddam Hussein&#8217;s regime and his link to terrorists, the committee did find that the CIA judgments were reasonable, based on the available intelligence. The agency was also more careful to inform policy-makers about uncertainties with their analysis.&#8221;</strong><br />
<strong>-&#8221;Finally, the committee found no evidence that the intelligence community&#8217;s mischaracterization or exaggeration of intelligence on Iraq&#8217;s weapons of mass destruction capabilities was the result of politics or pressure.&#8221;</strong><br />
<strong>-&#8221;Our human intelligence collection, as Pat Roberts has pointed out, was inadequate. Not only did we not have people on the ground after 1998 when the inspectors left, but we relied when they had left too much on the fragmentary reporting from years before, from the early &#8217;90s, from the post-Iran/Iraq War situation and were never able to pin anything down.&#8221;</strong></li>
<p></p>
<li>“911 Commission Final Report”<br />
-July 22, 2004<br />
-Formed no conclusions regarding regime ties to Al Queda<br />
-members later specifically cited a lack of evidence gathered and asked that the question of regime ties to Al Queda be examined further-not dismissed or otherwise closed.<br />
-John Lehman (a 911 Commissioner) said, <strong>&#8220;There may well be&#8211;and probably will be&#8211;additional intelligence coming in from interrogations and from analysis of captured records and so forth which will fill out the intelligence picture. This is not phrased as&#8211;nor meant to be&#8211;the definitive word on Iraqi Intelligence activities.&#8221;</strong><br />
-<strong>&#8220;This is a very significant set of facts,&#8221; former 9/11 commissioner, Mr. Kerry said yesterday. &#8220;I personally and strongly believe you don&#8217;t have to prove that Iraq was collaborating against Osama bin Laden on the September 11 attacks to prove he was an enemy and that he would collaborate with people who would do our country harm. This presents facts should not be used to tie Saddam to attacks on September 11. It does tie him into a circle that meant to damage the United States.&#8221;</strong> (I believe he even went on Jon Stewart&#8217;s, The Daily Show, and reiterated that the issue of regime ties was never fully investigated, analyzed, or concluded, and he said that he thought it needed to be re-opened.<br />
-Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton also said: there was a lack of intelligence gathered which led to problems, that the matter was never concluded (or even started), and that it should be re-examined.</li>
<p></p>
<li>“Iraqi Perspective Project Report” (DoD)<br />
-March 2006<br />
-Confirmed many of the previously reported ties between the regime and Al Queda<br />
-Found many more examples of ties and further demonstrated that there was in fact a relationship between the two, that it was dangerous, and that it was growing faster than expected<br />
-Cited a lack of intelligence gathered before the war, and an even larger, more deliberate, and more unexplained refusal to investigate the relationship after the invasion given the wealth of captured intelligence and detained regime members. </li>
<p></p>
<li>“REPORT OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ON POSTWAR FINDINGS ABOUT IRAQ’S WMD PROGRAMS AND LINKS TO TERRORISM AND HOW THEY COMPARE WITH PREWAR ASSESSMENTS (Phase II report)”<br />
-September 9, 2006<br />
-Cited the post-war refusal of any and all intelligence agencies to investigate the depth and threat of the relationship between Saddam’s regime and Al Queda<br />
-Used the refusal of intelligence agencies to investigate pre-war intelligence and the causes for the lack thereof, the Senate Intelligence Committee openly, freely, and admittedly took it upon itself to act as an intelligence agency and form an intelligence assessment on its own.<br />
-<strong>(U) The CIA has not published a “fully researched, coordinated and approved position” on the postwar reporting on the former regime’s links to al-Qa’ida, but has published such a paper on the postwar reporting on Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi and the former Iraqi regime. The CIA told the Committee that regarding Iraq’s links to terrorism, “the research the Counterterrorist Center has done on this issue has called into question some of the reports of contacts and training . . . revealed other contacts of which we were unaware, and shed new light on some contacts that appeared in prewar reporting. On balance, this research suggests that the prewar judgment remains valid.“l54 (Recall that previous investigations had determined that pre-war judgments as presented by the Bush Administration were “accurate” and “reasonable.”)</strong></li>
<p>
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<p>There are some consistencies in all these investigations and their reports:</p>
<p>They all refuse to form a conclusion<br />
They all say there was a relationship, but the depth of it is debated inside the intelligence community<br />
They all say the matter should be looked into rather than dismissed, closed, or perpetuated as a resolved point of discussion.</p>
<p>People can also point to 1990&#8217;s, pre-Bush Administration, open-source, mass media reports from: Newsweek, TIME, US News, NYT, LAT, ABC, and CBS; all of which claimed in 1998 and 1999 that there was a relationship between the two.  Still, I bow to the reports and the bi-partisan claims from at least <strong>(4) 911 Commission members and both the chair and vice-chair of the Senate Intel Committee</strong> all of whom I&#8217;ve cited above as saying there was a lack of evidence gathering, a lack of analysis, and that the matter was never closed.</p>
<p>There are also MILLIONS of captured and authenticated documents, videos, tapes etc. brought back from Afghanistan and Iraq, and in these documents-many made public, some even listed by the FBI-individual terror groups that are in the Al Queda network of terrorist groups and were taking orders and working with Iraqi Intelligence  (lest we forget &#8220;Al Queda&#8221; translates as &#8220;the Base&#8221; or the start of jihad, and is really a network of groups rather than a single club type entity).  </p>
<p>Oh&#8230;.there were definitely ties between Saddam Hussein&#8217;s regime and the Al Queda terrorist network, but the question was about closeness.  Were they just entities with a common mission, were they occasional allies, were they close allies like Roosevelt and Stalin, were there operational ties, cooperational ties, did Saddam want Osama to have his baby, did they share wives, were they snuggle-buggle-huggy lovers, or did they use each other.  That ties existed was claimed and proven from 1996 onward, but the depth and detail of those ties was never fully investigated or concluded despite high-ranking calls from Democrats and Republicans to look into it.  </p>
<p>Still some people-even after being informed-prefer to maintain the idea that the war in Iraq has nothing to do with Al Queda.  It&#8217;s an ironic claim for if it were true, then their <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66622.html">ire </a>would be equally directed towards the Obama Administration&#8217;s war there: one aimed at-Barack Obama&#8217;s words-fighting Al Queda.</p>
<p>I invite anyone and everyone to send Jonathan ( <a class="autohyperlink" href="mailto:jlanday@mcclatchydc.com" title="mailto:jlanday@mcclatchydc.com">jlanday@mcclatchydc.com&#8230;</a> ) and McClatchy newspapers a link to this post which categorically proves they were wrong in their assertions that there were never any ties between Saddam&#8217;s regime and the Al Queda terrorist network.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s support President Obama&#8217;s war in Iraq-and his fight against Al Queda there-by halting the lie that the war has nothing to do with Al Queda.</p>
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		<title>Obama &#8216;voracious&#8217; in studying national security issues</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WOW!  Great idea: spend your entire life posturing to run for President, then spend your Senate career being a professional Presidential candidate instead of a senator, and when you finally get the job&#8230;
THEN READ UP ON IT
Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m thrilled that Senator Obama is finally getting national security briefings, reading up on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!  Great idea: spend your entire life posturing to run for President, then spend your Senate career being a professional Presidential candidate instead of a senator, and when you finally get the job&#8230;</p>
<p><em>THEN </em><strong>READ UP ON IT</strong></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m thrilled that Senator Obama is finally getting national security briefings, reading up on the dangers in the world by reading 4yr old books about 20yr old subjects.  I&#8217;m really thrilled.  I&#8217;d of course prefer he read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8&#038;search-type=ss&#038;index=books&#038;field-author=Sam%20Pender">MY BOOKS</a>, but maybe he&#8217;ll get around to it.  More than anything, I really would have loved-I MEAN LOVED(!!!!) to have been a fly on the wall at the first NatSec briefing of his cabinet appointees.  Oh MAN that had to be a conundrum!</p>
<p>&#8220;We have to leave Iraq 18 months from now per the campaign pledge, but the DoD says they can&#8217;t do it logistically.  Hillary Clinton at State says it&#8217;d &#8217;cause chaos and force a third invasion of Iraq (OUCH, tough sell to the DNC base!).  Intel guys are saying that 1) AQ was in Iraq before the invasion, 2) AQ chose to make Iraq the central front in the gwot (not Bush), 3) AQ is being decimated by Bush&#8217;s Surge so leaving now let&#8217;s AQ revive in an oil-rich/money rich country.  They also tell me that Iran&#8217;s gonna be making 40+nukes a month starting in January, India is moving troops to border w Pakistan &#038; both sides are on their bi-annual brink-of-nuclear-war escapade.  Oh, and despite the speech in Germany&#8230;ain&#8217;t nobody in the world gonna stop the anarchy in Africa or SE Asia.&#8221;</p>
<p>WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE!</p>
<p>Suggestion: Appoint Dennis Kucinich to form a Dept of Peace and abolish the DoD.  Yeah, that&#8217;s the ticket!</p>
<p>Poor Obama.  He honestly had no clue &#038; actually believed the leftist rhetoric.  He followed Kos and Huffpo instead of the Milblogs and Flopping Aces.  If he HAD been reading FA, then he wouldn&#8217;t need to be such a &#8220;<a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/16/america/policy.php">voracious</a>&#8221; reader of dated books.  I&#8217;m only shocked he&#8217;s not skipping to the Cliff&#8217;s Notes.</p>
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		<title>10 Years Ago Today: Missile Strike On Iraq [Reader Post]</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Four and a half years prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom a major air strike was launched against Iraq. 
President Bill Clinton on December 16, 1998: 
Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Four and a half years prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom a major air strike was launched against Iraq. </p>
<p>President Bill Clinton on December 16, 1998: </p>
<blockquote><p>Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people. <strong>And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.</strong> Because we&#8217;re acting today, it is less likely that we will face these dangers in the future.</p></blockquote>
<p>The air strikes lasted more than three days. While the Pentagon did not say how many cruise missiles were used, they did admit that more <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9507E6DA163CF93AA25751C1A96E958260&#038;scp=1&#038;sq=clinton+iraq+290&#038;st=nyt">cruise missiles</a> were used in the first two days of this campaign than the 290 that were fired at Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War. <span id="more-13762"></span></p>
<p>This attack marked the third time President Clinton launched air strikes against the country of Iraq. The first attack was launched in response to the 1993 assassination attempt on George H.W. Bush. The second strike came in 1996 to make Saddam &#8220;pay a price&#8221; for unleashing his army against the northern Kurds. This time, however, it was about <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html">weapons of mass destruction</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>As the UNSCOM reports concludes, and again I quote, &#8220;Iraq&#8217;s conduct ensured that no progress was able to be made in the fields of disarmament. </p>
<p>&#8220;In light of this experience, and in the absence of full cooperation by Iraq, it must regrettably be recorded again that the commission is not able to conduct the work mandated to it by the Security Council with respect to Iraq&#8217;s prohibited weapons program.&#8221; </p>
<p>In short, the inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq, their work would be a sham.</p>
<p>Saddam&#8217;s deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors. </p>
<p>This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. The international community gave Saddam one last chance to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors. Saddam has failed to seize the chance. </p>
<p>And so we had to act and act now. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>Obama Campaign Promise #1 Broken: Will NO LONGER End The War in Iraq</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[supporters who keyed on the language of ending the war might be forgiven if they thought that would mean bringing home all of the troops.
For years now Senator Obama has promised to bring home all the American combat troops from Iraq in 16 months, and to end the war in Iraq.  Now that he&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>supporters who keyed on the language of ending the war might be forgiven if they thought that would mean bringing home all of the troops.</p></blockquote>
<p>For years now Senator Obama has promised to bring home all the American combat troops from Iraq in 16 months, and to end the war in Iraq.  Now that he&#8217;s been elected&#8230;well, he didn&#8217;t really mean &#8220;END&#8221;  And he didn&#8217;t really mean bring home all the &#8220;combat troops&#8221; as much as just rename them as training, support, security, etc.  Tens of thousands of American troops will remain in Iraq for years-at least until 2011, and perhaps indefinitely as there is no longer the promised Democratic TIMELINE FOR WITHDRAWAL from Iraq.</p>
<p>I think this is important, and so do the hundreds of millions of people around the world who opposed Pres Bush&#8217;s effort to train the Iraqi security forces, to secure Iraq, to fight Al Queda in Iraq, to leave Iraq only when it&#8217;s secure enough to prevent the need for a 3rd invasion, and who demanded a TIMELINE FOR WITHDRAWAL from President Bush.  Those hundreds of millions of people around the world saw HOPE and CHANGE in the face of Pres-elect Obama.  Instead, Americans are literally getting the Bush plan for Iraq run by Pres-elect Obama.  </p>
<p>Does this matter?  Nope.  The left is as silent as Muslim community after a jihadi bombing.  They don&#8217;t care.  One would do well to wonder, however, if the silence &#038; support for the Bush policy under Pres Obama is yet more evidence that opposition to the war in Iraq was more about opposing Pres Bush than it was about patriotic dissent against a war?  2 Men put out the same policy w the same excuses, but one is opposed, and the other fully supported.  There can be no other conclusion than the opposition is against the man not the issue.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/us/politics/04military.html">link</a><br />
ht <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/04/nyt-oh-by-the-way-forget-about-that-whole-withdrawal-from-iraq-thing/">hot air</a></p>
<p>Methinks CODEPINK will be protesting the Inauguration [NOT!]</p>
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		<title>Victory in Iraq Day?!?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
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Demonstrators hang an effigy of U.S. President George W. Bush during a rally at the al-Firdous square in Baghdad November 21, 2008.
REUTERS/Thaier al-Sudani
Yesterday, many conservative bloggers joined in to dare to declare November 22nd, Victory in Iraq Day.  Based on the above photo, I&#8217;d say declaration of victory is premature&#8230;

You see&#8230;..burning effigies of &#8220;selected [...]]]></description>
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<FONT SIZE=1><center>Demonstrators hang an effigy of U.S. President George W. Bush during a rally at the al-Firdous square in Baghdad November 21, 2008.<br />
REUTERS/Thaier al-Sudani</center></FONT></p>
<p>Yesterday, many conservative bloggers joined in to dare to declare November 22nd, <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/22/victory-in-iraq-day/">Victory in Iraq Day</a>.  Based on the above photo, I&#8217;d say declaration of victory is premature&#8230;</p>
<p><span id="more-12922"></span></p>
<p>You see&#8230;..burning effigies of &#8220;<a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/05/26/how-al-gore-almost-stole-an-election/">selected not elected</a>&#8221; President Bush is soooo yesterday; and soooo lame and unimaginative&#8230;.mmmkay?  Yes, freedom and democracy are flourishing in Iraq; but until Iraq&#8217;s own moonbats can come up with colorful protests like this against the imperialistic, fascist dictatorial evil Bush regime:</p>
<p><center><a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/30.jpg"><img src="http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/30.jpg" alt="" title="30" width="500" height="375" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-12924" /></a></center></p>
<p><center><a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/00protest.jpg"><img src="http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/00protest.jpg" alt="" title="00protest" width="274" height="612" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-12925" /></a></center></p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.and get away with it, unmolested by the government&#8230;.</p>
<p>Then, now, we&#8217;re talking freedom and democracy, baby!</p>
<p>Looks like the <a href="http://article.wn.com/view/2008/11/22/Thousands_protest_in_Iraq_against_US_troops_pact/">protesters are Shiite hardline followers of Moqtada al-Sadr</a>.  So no real surprises.  They aren&#8217;t happy with SOFA; but the <a href="http://article.wn.com/view/2008/11/22/Iraq_fears_early_troop_pullout/">defense minister warns of the dangers</a> of a premature U.S. pullout and <a href="http://article.wn.com/view/2008/11/20/Iraqi_PM_says_US_pact_will_restore_sovereignty/">the prime minister says</a> it&#8217;s the best <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/16/iraqi-cabinet-approves-security-agreement-keeping-our-troops-in-iraq-until-2011/">roadmap</a> toward restoring Iraqi sovereignty.  </p>
<p>Sounds just like here.  Thousands protest creating noise, while millions of &#8220;normal folk&#8221; go about their daily business, going to work, going about their daily activities.</p>
<p>Before you know it, they&#8217;ll be voting on their own <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/17/california-proposition-8-fallout-reader-post/">Prop 8</a>, with activists rampaging through the streets, not taking &#8220;yes&#8221; for an answer.</p>
<p><a href="http://iraqi-translator.blogspot.com/2008_11_01_archive.html#6409815602831136844">This Iraqi interpreter</a> has even quit wearing his mask.</p>
<p>Actually, I think our time is nearing when it is time to withdraw most of our forces out of Iraq.   Iraq should succeed or fail based upon its own merits of self-rule and self-determination. No more apron-strings. And if it fails, if things head south of success, it should not be an indictment of the original decision to remove Saddam. The decision to stay; the decision to surge. The decision to withdraw.  And I stand by the justifications put forth <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/opinion/16Sun1.html?pagewanted=print">for ending Saddam&#8217;s reign</a>, to this day. In fact, even more so today than I did back when.</p>
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		<title>CIA Agents Confirm: Al Queda WAS In Iraq in Before Invasion</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eclipsed by the election campaignining, this story slipped under the radar.  Much has been said about the invasion of Iraq.  Often there are claims that there were no weapons of mass destruction and no ties to Al Queda.  In fact, most of the WMD claims that were made before the invasion turned [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eclipsed by the election campaignining, this story slipped under the radar.  Much has been said about the invasion of Iraq.  Often there are claims that there were no weapons of mass destruction and no ties to Al Queda.  In fact, most of the WMD claims that were made before the invasion turned out to be true.  Iraq was not clean and innocent in regards to WMD, and the <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/04/18/saddams-ties-to-al-quedadebunk/">ties to Al Queda were wrongly dismissed.</a><br />
One of those ties regard Saddam&#8217;s involvement with Al Queda groups like Ansar al Islam which no one disputes was present and active in the northern section of Saddam&#8217;s Iraq.  Opponents of the war dismiss that tie by saying that if they weren&#8217;t in the part of Iraq that Saddam controlled, then they weren&#8217;t under his control.  That&#8217;s a nice piece of rhetoric, and it&#8217;s good spin, but it&#8217;s ignorant of the fact that Ansar was the ONLY means of influence Saddam had in the North (that, and the threat of invading the north).  He used Ansar as his proxy guerrilla force to attack his Kurdish enemies and impose his will in the North.</p>
<p>The point remains, Ansar and other Al Queda groups were inside Iraq in 2002, and the CIA knew it.  They knew it because they sent extremely brave people there-into Iraq, and those people monitored the Al Queda until the Pentagon blew the opportunity to destroy the camps.</p>
<blockquote><p>Charles &#8220;Sam&#8221; Faddis, who led a CIA team into northern Iraq following the 9/11 attacks, says the Pentagon&#8217;s &#8220;endless planning and delays&#8221; foiled a chance to wipe out a band of al Qaeda leaders who were fleeing American bombs in Afghanistan.<br />
<span id="more-12516"></span><br />
Faddis says the delays, beginning in 2002, also facilitated the escape of some &#8220;key&#8221; al Qaeda figures, including terrorist scientists who were working on chemical and biological weapons.</p>
<p>&#8220;Some died, some are still on the run,&#8221; Faddis said in a telephone interview Tuesday, following his appearance on NPR&#8217;s Diane Rehm Show to promote a new book, Operation Hotel California: The Clandestine War Inside Iraq. </p>
<p>&#8220;The site was physically destroyed &#8230; but certainly the research wasn&#8217;t destroyed.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/spytalk/2008/10/cia-agent-says-pentagon-botche.html">link</a></p>
<p>To argue that the Pentagon &#8220;botched&#8221; this is to argue that there was something substantial to be botched.  Admitting the US missed an opportunity to attack Al Queda in Iraq before 2002 is admitting that there was enough of an Al Queda presence in Iraq before the invasion to warrant military action.</p>
<p>Today, Ansar al Islam&#8217;s remnants and other Al Queda groups are lumped into the term AQI for Al Queda in Iraq groups as if they are all the same.  Like all Al Queda groups, they are affiliated-not the same.  They have great differences, but bear common themes, objectives, tactics, and alliance.</p>
<p>Why is this important today?  America is looking at two more years of war in Iraq under President Obama.  To accomplish anything, Americans must support efforts to succeed.  It&#8217;s time to put away the anti-war, political opposition rhetoric, finally recognize facts such as this one, and support not only the troops, but the hard work, the good work that they are doing.</p>
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