Democrat Rep says Antifa are “peaceful protestors” Want to see how “peaceful” they are?

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Deb Haaland (D-lusional) really said this:

Democratic New Mexico Rep. Deb Haaland described Antifa as “peaceful protesters” Saturday, the same day members of the violent group clashed with the right-wing Proud Boys in Portland.

Haaland offered the inaccurate description on CNN after President Donald Trump tweeted “Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an “ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.’”

“This is on par with what the president does. He sides with the white supremacists, the white nationalists, with the domestic terrorists in our country, just as — you know, he has incited violence against people of color,” Haaland said.

Antifa is largely if not completely made up of immature white liberals

“Portland is a progressive city. They want to ensure that they keep their city moving forward. It’s not surprising that Trump would side away from the folks who are the peaceful protesters working to safe guard their city from domestic terrorism. Just not surprised at all that the president sides with the white nationalists. That’s been his mode of operation since before he was elected president,” the congresswoman continued.

Let’s have a look at those “peaceful protesters.”

The pathetic @portlandpolice  ran away from the scene

No one was safe from their violence and intimidation- not even young children.

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1162825543613476864

Watch as Antifa attacks buses of Proud Boys leaving the scene

Antifa even brought in concrete slabs to break up and use as thrown projectiles

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1163258439784529920

Antifa would be properly described as domestic terrorists. They decide- as did the Nazi and an the fascists in WWII Italy-  who needs to be harmed, equal protection under the law be damned.

They are cowards.

Neither the Proud Boys nor Antifa merits any respect, but the Proud Boys don’t hide behind masks.

Maybe Deb Haaland should wear one.

 

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65 Responses to “Democrat Rep says Antifa are “peaceful protestors” Want to see how “peaceful” they are?”

  1. 1

    Deplorable Me

    Haaland PROVES the Democrats appreciate ANTIFA employing political violence. Like the Nazis, they are the dumbest, most ignorant thugs that will do anything on command as long as they are provided protection. It would not be happening if the liberal media covered it fairly because the politicians using them could not get away with employing violent thugs to silence their opposition.

    MORE Nazi similarities.

  2. 2

    Spurwing Plover

    Haaland is a a total idiot to claim Antifa are a peaceful group what dose this member of the Stupid Jackass Party think about the NRA or of the Tea Party This example or Liberal Democrat Stupidity needs to take off her CNN Glasses

  3. 3

    Rodney Stanton

    55 years ago, the gangster Mario Savio, and his “Goons at the Gate” would beat the shit out of any America lover with their F U C K placards. Their violent attacks were described the the Press as “peaceful protests”. the MSM has hated America for at least 70 years. So they lie!

  4. 4

    Ronald J Ward

    ANTIFA should be disavowed for their violence. Period.

    The rise of white supremacy, the Proud Boys, KKK, Neo-Nazis, white nationalist, well, that’s different. And anyone that says otherwise is surely a racist.

  5. 5

    Deplorable Me

    @Ronald J Ward: As bad as those groups’ views are (well, Proud Boys are mostly about free speech, which the left hates), they haven’t been violent since the KKK mostly disappeared (back when they were Democrats and Democrats were them). However, ANTIFA IS violent; violence is their purpose. They can’t even protest by themselves without turning violent.

    So, once again, you are completely and totally wrong and exposed supporting a racist and violent fascist group. Keep it consistent, AJ.

  6. 6

    Ronald J Ward

    @Deplorable Me:

    I expected my obsessive troll to be the first (if not the only) to respond.

    I didn’t expect a defense of the Proud boys. But I never took you for the sharpest knife in the drawer.

    To be clear, the Proud Boys promotes political violence and has a history of statements, actions, and criminal convictions to confirm that.

    Hack sites such as this only see the vile in organizations such as ANTIFA because it’s politically advantageous and ignore gut wrenching neo-nazis and violent Proud Boys and white supremacist because of the same reason. Only blatant idiots like you give away the game.

  7. 8

    Nathan Blue

    @Ronald J Ward:

    ANTIFA should be disavowed for their violence. Period.

    The rise of white supremacy, the Proud Boys, KKK, Neo-Nazis, white nationalist, well, that’s different. And anyone that says otherwise is surely a racist.

    No it’s not. In fact, Antifa made the proud boys.

    So-called “white supremacy” isn’t a thing in America, but only a boogeyman produced by the Left to justify their own violence. The bulk of political harassment and violence in America is whole caused by, and owned by, you, your party, and the Left in general.

    Any “increase” in white nationalism is solely due to the actions of the left.

    But yes…you and your party use the word “racist” the way nazis used “Juden”.

    You should run around with chalk and write “racist” on anyone you think doesn’t comply with your Leftist indoctrination, so everyone else knows they are second-class citizens.

    You’re a fascist.

  8. 9

    Richard Wheeler

    @Nathan Blue:White supremacists/nationalists most certainly do exist—now your claim they exist because white Christians feel they are being replaced by minorities holds merit– they are.
    The claim is true but it doesn’t make it right and violence between races is not the solution—America is evolving to where we white Christians will be a minority. This is simply a fact that we must deal with—-peacefully.. No place for Antifa OR Proud Boys.

  9. 11

    kitt

    @Richard Wheeler: White supremacists/nationalists, never mix up nationalists with supremacists
    Only the liberal media is so Anti-American as to do this.
    A Nationalist thinks Americas interests should come first.
    The ignorant media added “White” to Nationalist to sling its filthy lying propaganda when Trump described himself as a Nationalist once
    Dont let them suck you into their vortex of hate and ignorance, limo liberals are the worst type of humans, their whole world revolves around creating division from behind the gates of their “communities” or luxury apts overlooking the little people.
    No one says the supremacists type dont exist, how many do you know personally? I’ll bet it is as many as I know, zero. If you lisen to propaganda TV why there are millions and millions that is fear mongering BS and they know it is
    [email protected]Deplorable Me:

    When do the Proud Boys initiate violence?

    Good question.

  10. 12

    Deplorable Me

    @kitt:

    The ignorant media added “White” to Nationalist to sling its filthy lying propaganda when Trump described himself as a Nationalist once

    They do it to subliminally link it with National Socialism, which was nationalistic and racist. This is to continue the trend for the Democrats to try and distance themselves from National Socialism, which they have been emulating, complete with fascist thugs to beat down opposing voices.

    Now, if you are an ignorant dumbass, this might work and you might think, “Hmmm… those guys that are carrying the US flag, objecting to illegal immigration and supporting strong national defense are Nazis.” However, this is just what ignorant dumbasses believe, not people with knowledge.

    No doubt my question will elicit a response that I must support Proud Boys instead of an answer to the question, but I don’t really care what they think. There are many despicable groups who march and rub their beliefs in people’s faces, but rarely do they provoke violence. Only ANTIFA is doing that, and they can be violent even if there is no one opposing them. But, liberals cannot bring themselves to denounce it or the left’s acceptance of it.

  11. 13

    Richard Wheeler

    You folks ramble on without an ounce of common sense
    The Proud Boy clowns promote violence–marched in the unite the right rally in Charlottsville organized by white supremacist Jason Kessler
    Arrested and pled guilty to riot and attempted assault in Wash DC
    THEY ARE BAD ACTORS
    BTW I’ve condemned ANTIFA—-you two should do the same with these proud boy thugs,

    DEP—I’ll support Tulsi 100% long as she’s in—Will vote for a paper bag over Trump

  12. 14

    kitt

    @Richard Wheeler:

    pled guilty to riot and attempted assault

    Attempted? WTF is attempted assault? How many Antifa were convicted for their actual violence? The Proud Boys have never picked a fight, they as every American have a right for peaceful assembly and freedom of speech, they are not thugs, Antifa are the animals that use small explosives, expandable bats, rocks, bottles and cause damage to businesses.
    Do you back the constitution Marine? Or should we take away the right of peaceful assembly away from everyone you and , limo libs and Antifa dont agree with?

  13. 17

    Deplorable Me

    @Richard Wheeler:

    BTW I’ve condemned ANTIFA—-you two should do the same with these proud boy thugs,

    I don’t like their views, but they aren’t violent. ANTIFA is violent. It’s not enough to condemn them; those who support them, like AOC, Omar, Rashid, Pelosi, Schumer… DEMOCRATS need to be condemned. If you say you condemn ANTIFA but continue to support those who actually have the power to put ANTIFA out of the violence business but won’t…. well, you don’t don’t actually condemn ANTIFA.

    Many CBP and ICE are ex-military. ANTIFA have on numerous occasions tried to kill them. Democrats will not condemn ANTIFA, but they do vilify CBP and ICE. THESE are they people YOU support. How do you support the people that encourage attacking your fellow veterans?

  14. 18

    retire05

    @Richard Wheeler:

    White supremacists/nationalists most certainly do exist—

    Absolutely, with the most infamous of them being the KKK, the organization started, and supported, by your Party.
    There are also black supremacists (Black Lives Matter, the New Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan’s group) and Hispanic supremacists (LULAC, La Raza, the Aztlan movement) but those on your side of the aisle never mention them.

    The left is so fixated on making every white Trump supporter a “white supremacist” that now the Washington Compost is saying that all of us who are anti-abortion and pro-life are also “white supremacists.”

    “In the United States since the 1970s, the antiabortion movement has taken on a life of its own, obscuring this [alleged history as a tool for White Supremacy] until its sudden reappearance in the national spotlight. But the connection between immigration and reproduction was never lost on the movement’s white nationalist fringe — nor should it be lost on supporters of reproductive rights.”

    Hello, Margaret Sanger, who was a Democrat and spoke to the women’s auxiliary of the KKK? There is a reason that Planned Parenthood slaughter houses are in minority neighborhoods. So who is really facilitating the killing of minority babies, Wheeler?

    Will vote for a paper bag over Trump

    You proved that you would vote for an [empty] paper bag when you voted for Clinton (twice) and Obama (twice).

  15. 19

    Richard Wheeler

    @Deplorable Me: I don’t support all Dems–re-military—-Major Gabbard has spent 2 weeks in August on active duty—Trump never spent a day

    Kitt This all male 99% white vigilante group led by Gavin McInnis who says “I want violence–I want punching in the face” says women have a “victim mentality”
    How bout this–no masturbating—piece of work this clown. he the kind of guy and org. you gonna support?

    05—always back to “killing minority babies.” How bout taking care of poor live kids. Are you all in there?

  16. 20

    retire05

    @Richard Wheeler:

    05—always back to “killing minority babies.”

    Take a look at the abortion stats and compare them to population stats, if you dare (but knowing you’re a hypocrite, I know you won’t). You are never critical of your Party. The largest PP slaughter house in the U.S. is in Sheila Jackson Lee’s district. Wanna guess what the demographics in that district are?

    How bout taking care of poor live kids. Are you all in there?

    Yep. How about you? What organizations that help “poor live kids” do you volunteer for or support with your money? Or are you still in your “I don’t answer questions” mode?

  17. 21

    kitt

    @Richard Wheeler:

    Kitt This all male 99% white vigilante group led by Gavin McInnis who says “I want violence–I want punching in the face” says women have a “victim mentality”
    How bout this–no masturbating—piece of work this clown. he the kind of guy and org. you gonna support?

    How many women have the muscle to handle mobs bare handed? I find many women have a victim mentality, I have very few female pals cause I tell them they alone are responsible for themselves.
    There are biblical passages against “spilling seed” if this is their belief I wont bash them, I dont have to agree with them to not bash those that defend themselves and others from the fascists that come masked and armed to harm a peaceful legally permitted gathering.
    Vigilante definition is – a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice. Would there be any violence if Antifa allowed others their freedoms?
    Now Marine do you stand for the Constitution, or is it to extreme right wing for you?
    Are you using the term Vigilante correctly in your mind?

  18. 22

    Nan G

    @Richard Wheeler: Jason Kessler????
    Do you really think we’ve ALL forgotten who he was?

    I was able to force Richard Spencer who leads the Daily Stormer site, to admit that Jason Kessler was UNVETTED by his Unite the Right organization before Charlottesville.
    As events unfolded it turned out Jason Kessler was anything but one of them.
    He was a Leftist plant who had previously helped organize the ultra-Left Occupy Wall Street’s 1st demonstrations.
    Prosecutors looking at his actions in Charlottesville found him coordinating buses of Antifa demonstrators so they clashed for certain with “his” white groups.
    He also moderated a forum telling the white groups that mowing down people with their cars was not a crime in Charlottesville.
    When a woman who knew his background tried to expose him for his past association with Obama and the Occupy movement on that forum, he banned her.

    https://altrightexposedblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/15/jason-kessler-admits-to-being-a-leftist-provocateur/

  19. 23

    kitt

    @Nan G: Brennan Gilmore had numerous meetings and telephonic exchanges with Mayor Michael Signer and a former Obama supporter, and Occupy Wall Street activist, named Jason Kessler—but with Kessler now being described as “a relative newcomer to the white nationalist scene”, and who was the leader of the pro-fascist forces planning to demonstrate in Charlottesville on 12 August.
    Brennan Gilmore has interesting former DC admin connections. CIA, DNC and State Dept

  20. 24

    Deplorable Me

    @Richard Wheeler:

    I don’t support all Dems–re-military—-Major Gabbard has spent 2 weeks in August on active duty—Trump never spent a day

    Gabbard doesn’t denounce ANTIFA or renounce political violence. So, she supports it. You support her. You support ANTIFA and political violence.

    Support for political violence is not some political view; it is a tactic. It’s not something you can claim, “Well, I agree with most things, but disagree with that.” Political violence is a crime and, for Democrats, a means to an end. It is like supporting Clinton because he had a good policy, so that excused sexual assault. It doesn’t make any sense. You support or denounce violence.

    Here is ANTIFA trying to STAB one of your fellow Marines in Portland. THIS is what the Democrat party dances around denouncing.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/watch-antifa-terrorist-attempts-to-stab-marine-veteran-during-last-weekends-portland-rampage/

    Unlike the claims that Trump is a racist, a white supremacist, a misogynist or a Russian agent, this shit is REAL. I don’t have to claim to support Trump despite him doing all those other things, because he doesn’t do them. You CANNOT make that same claim about supporting ANY of these Democrat candidates because not a one of them will denounce political violence. Disgusting, despicable and degenerate.

    05—always back to “killing minority babies.” How bout taking care of poor live kids. Are you all in there?

    Sanctuary cities don’t take care of kids very well, do they? When will Democrats get around to denouncing illegal immigrants raping young girls and doing something about it?

  21. 25

    another vet

    In Post WWII Germany, Germans were asked how they could have looked the other way during the Holocaust. A common response was, “what about all the poor German people who were starving.” See any similarities between that and this statement?

    always back to “killing minority babies.” How bout taking care of poor live kids. Are you all in there?

    And then people wonder how something like the Holocaust could of happened and whether or not it could happen again.

    We also have quotes like this:

    “Most people don’t see the moral equivalency between the NAZI’s violence and and that of Antifa.”

    Antifa makes it no secret that they are communists and their violence gets a pass. And then people wonder if something like what happened in the USSR could happen again. Just remember that after Lenin and FDR’s buddy “Uncle Joe” got done killing millions of Russians and ethnic minorities they claimed to support in their quest for power, history repeated itself in places like China, Cuba, Cambodia, and Vietnam. While the NAZI’s were squashed and never came back, it’s kissing cousin Communism lingered on to kill far more people. Dems don’t like to admit it because they (The current Party not that of Truman and JFK. HUGE difference.) have embraced the same root philosophy as them (Marxism). Communist ideology has killed far more people than all the other ideologies combined including Nazism (which had Marxist roots as well), Fascism, and all religions.

  22. 26

    Deplorable Me

    @another vet: A current problem and one which has a direct impact on gun crimes and mass shootings is the disregard for human life in society today. This emanates from the left where the belief that intimidating, beating or even killing someone for their words or thoughts is acceptable. Likewise, killing babies that would pose an inconvenience is acceptable. From this, killing people because they have offended or merely to attract attention is acceptable. This is how the left can accept what ANTIFA does.

  23. 27

    Richard Wheeler

    @another vet: to suggest that a woman choosing to terminate her pregnancy is equivalent to human beings being killed in gas chambers by other human beings—-ridiculous.
    The violence begins with Trump calling for violence against verbal opponents at his rallies. This guy sets a terrible example–he takes bully pulpit literally.
    He has zero leadership skills—a classic bully most Americans are ASHAMED to have as our President

  24. 29

    another vet

    @Richard Wheeler:

    to suggest that a woman choosing to terminate her pregnancy is equivalent to human beings being killed in gas chambers by other human beings—-ridiculous

    How many appendages, nervous systems, hearts etc. does a human possess? A number is all that is required.

    The violence begins with Trump calling for violence against verbal opponents at his rallies.

    It should be very easy then to post numerous videos of his supporters attacking people like Antifa does. Post ’em. Put up or shut up as they say. BTW, Obama’s calls for violence have been posted here numerous times. Yet you were silent on those. Why?

  25. 30

    another vet

    @Deplorable Me:

    A current problem and one which has a direct impact on gun crimes and mass shootings is the disregard for human life in society today.

    The exact point that I was making in my previous comment that obviously flew over RW’s head.

  26. 31

    kitt

    Scrolling up I see the Brave Marine cant say he backs the Constitution.
    He can go to Nam and fight for freedom of foreigners but not even reply on the internet he would want to see all Americans be able to exercise their lawful rights.
    Disgusting, pathetic, cowardly.

  27. 32

    Richard Wheeler

    @kitt: You are the pathetic coward Kitt—accusing me from behind a desk—gutless
    My 13 month combat service in V.N as a United States Marine Corps Officer speaks for itself in defense of our Constitution—you and your ilk like can’t remember which foot it wasTrump —pure bluster.
    Semper Fi Tulsi 2020

  28. 33

    kitt

    @Richard Wheeler: Seriously pathetic, 50 years ago pal. You did not respond at all to, are you for the constitution, til you were called on it. Now you cant even give the unborn babies the equality of those that were not killed before birth.
    Then like a 6 year old..I know you are , but what am I ? lol
    You have no idea what ilk I am ..none, nada zip.
    Today I spent my time on a backhoe, then picked up a skid steer for tomorrow.

  29. 34

    retire05

    @Richard Wheeler:

    to suggest that a woman choosing to terminate her pregnancy is equivalent to human beings being killed in gas chambers by other human beings—-ridiculous.

    Hitler, who was a BIG fan of Margaret Sanger, would have loved being able to have the “weeds” (as Sanger referred to blacks and Hispanics) willfully walking into a facility to have some doctor kill their unborn child. Instead, Hitler had to force abortions on those he deemed (like Sanger) were not worthy of life.

    You would be jumping up and down if we encouraged people to take their dogs/cats to a vet to make sure their puppies and kittens were forcibly ripped from the wombs, piece by piece.

  30. 35

    Deplorable Me

    @another vet:

    The exact point that I was making in my previous comment that obviously flew over RW’s head.

    Tossing away human lives has become so commonplace with liberals that they don’t even realize they are doing it anymore.

  31. 36

    retire05

    @Richard Wheeler:

    My 13 month combat service in V.N as a United States Marine Corps Officer speaks for itself in defense of our Constitution—

    Well then, Benedict Arnold’s military service as an officer spoke well for itself, until it didn’t and he turned coat.
    Seems you just can’t handle criticism, especially from a female.

    you and your ilk like can’t remember which foot it wasTrump —

    It’s not about Trump, Bubba……………………..it’s about you becoming a Manchurian candidate.

  32. 37

    Richard Wheeler

    @kitt: Hell you don’t even capitalize The Constitution—a hint at how little you respect it. You are all talk—-I invited 05 to visit and speak face to face–she declined. I make you the same offer—I’m easy to find

  33. 38

    kitt

    @Richard Wheeler: I have no desire to go to meet you, none, if I want to hear your opinion I can resubscribe to cable television, and pollute my brain with the propaganda lies spewed.
    I much prefer helping to put in a french drain for mom, then back to camp to clear the mess from the storm and make it park-like again. I have apx 10 to 15 full cord of oak to stack for seasoning, and oak lumber and veneer logs to lay out for a buyer in October.
    Then there is a golf cart to repair,(I hope its a bad fuel line or its sweeties problem) the 500 hour maintenance on the bobcat, staining a wire spool left by the power co-op, (should make a good picnic table)repair of some outdoor furniture, and mouse-proofing the new travel trailer.
    You know a womans’ work is never done. So I really cant be bothered.

  34. 39

    Richard Wheeler

    @kitt: Sounds like fun
    Just suggest that if you wanna call a U.S. Marine a coward—best done face to face or you own the coward’s mantel.

    05 Manchurian Candidate one great movie–original with Harvey and Sinatra much preferred.

    Anyone see Tulsi on Tucker tonight? Our first female POTUS.

  35. 40

    Randy

    @retire05: Rich can not seem to understand that by running down our President he is supporting the communist in China, Cuba, and others around the World. He supports Iran, and other terrorists around the World. Rich believes that his 13 months of service paid up his dues to his country for life. The rest of us who live the oath we took know we must continue to pay our dues to maintain our country.

  36. 41

    kitt

    @Richard Wheeler: You really need to learn history Our first female POTUS, Edith Wilson. Nancy Reagan came close second.
    The DNC screwed Tulsi, no debate spot 4 her.
    Yes it was fun the first time we cleaned up the camp property, this time we have better tools, running water and electricity installed.

  37. 42

    retire05

    @Randy:

    Rich believes that his 13 months of service paid up his dues to his country for life. The rest of us who live the oath we took know we must continue to pay our dues to maintain our country.

    Last Friday I spent the evening with someone who placed his feet on the yellow marks 20 years ago that day (as a former Marine, RW should know what that means). He has deployed to Iraq twice, Afghanistan three times. RW brags about 13 months in combat. My friend, who speaks Arabic and Farsi, has a total of over SEVEN YEARS in combat. But unlike RW, he is not a braggart. Since he was in jeans, no one sitting at our table knew he is a Marine except his sister and me. But I can tell you, that in spite of what RW says, he says his fellow Marines like Trump and will vote for him again. (RW claims none of the vets he knows likes Trump but alas, RW is in Loonafornia)

    It’s quite obvious that once RW pulled off that shirt with the American flag patch on it, he was done. Now he is full blown leftist. Maybe it’s something in the water in Loonafornia, or maybe he was a leftist when he went in. And he thinks that by challenging Kitt and I to meet with him in Loonafornia, he ups his game. He doesn’t. Remember, he is so insecure he sent his DD214 to one of the moderators of this website. He rags on anyone who has not worn the uniform, yet he voted for Clinton (draft dodger) twice and Obama (Socialist) twice and for Bernie Sanders (Communist) in the last California presidential primary. That says all that needs to be said about RW.

    Thank you for your service. And thank you for knowing the oath you took does not have an expiration date.

  38. 43

    Deplorable Me

    @kitt:

    The DNC screwed Tulsi, no debate spot 4 her.

    She’s a racist, remember? According to liberal rules, she criticized a “woman of color”. NO candidacy for YOU!

    Lying about detention centers and CBP personnel is OK with liberals, but criticizing a lying whore is verboten if that lying whore happens to be black.

  39. 45

    Deplorable Me

    @kitt: Well, look at the intellect of the left. They don’t know anything that has not been driven into their heads by propaganda mills. The idiot Rob Reiner wants to indict Trump over O’Donnell’s fast accusations EVEN AFTER Larry the Liar had to disavow the lie under penalty of legal action. Liberals still cling to the Russian collusion, obstruction, emoluments, etc, etc, etc. They still want Hillary. They want socialism. I don’t trust them left up to their own reason either.

    Let the DNC keep screwing them. They always choose the worst candidate, anyway.

  40. 46

    another vet

    @Richard Wheeler:

    I invited 05 to visit and speak face to face–she declined. I make you the same offer—I’m easy to find

    I was going to pass on re-posting on the thread because it started getting real personal until you made this comment. Last year I brought up the fact that you challenged Retire to meet face to face. I brought up specific details about how Larry was the first to make the challenge and then you chimed in with your own challenge. I pointed out how you posted your address and how Skook told you that it was a bad idea. You said you never made the challenge and said it was absurd to suggest that you would challenge “an old woman like Retire”.

    A real nasty, nasty habit you have there. Especially when you run around accusing others of lying. And this class, concludes today’s lesson in projection, hypocrisy, and elitist privilege.

  41. 47

    retire05

    @another vet:

    Last year I brought up the fact that you challenged Retire to meet face to face.

    As he did again inviting me to travel to Loonafornia for the occasion. Now, why would anyone bear the expense of traveling to a poop ridden state full of leftists just to meet up with another leftist? Does he think his company is so worthwhile that I would take him up on the offer? And he has said, numerous times, if you are going to call him, a former Marine, a coward, I should do it to his face. For what purpose? Is he going to go all AntiFa on someone, even a woman, who calls him a coward by hitting them in the head with a bike lock? Or maybe a simple right hook? Remember, he brags about what great shape he is in because he pays his gym dues. Assuming he was standing on the roof during the fall of Saigon, and he was 21 at the time, he is, at the least, in his late 60’s but rags on those who are in the same age bracket.

    To America’s benefit, he is not representative of the Marines, current and former, that I know.

  42. 48

    another vet

    @retire05:

    Assuming he was standing on the roof during the fall of Saigon, and he was 21 at the time, he is, at the least, in his late 60’s but rags on those who are in the same age bracket.

    He is older than that and was there pre-Tet. I have no reason to doubt his service over there unlike a certain lefty who has given two different takes on what he did over there. I will rip on him for a number of faults such as lying, being a hypocrite, thumbing his nose at the Constitution etc.. but will not call him a coward.

    he is not representative of the Marines, current and former, that I know.</blockquote

    BHO had a 26% approval rating with members of the USMC when he left office so his views are clearly not in line with the overwhelming majority of Marines.

    why would anyone bear the expense of traveling to a poop ridden state full of leftists

    There was time when I would have liked to visit that state to take in the sights. Now I have no desire to go to Northern Venezuela. The sad part is that a state I loved, Arizona, is being ruined by left wing transplants from there. Perhaps they need a wall!

  43. 49

    retire05

    @another vet:

    He is older than that and was there pre-Tet.

    That would make him mid 70’s.

    Unfortunately, those who exhibited honor and bravery during Nam, not all remained honorable and brave. I have never understood why anyone would associate themselves with the very Party that encouraged protests against our returning soldiers and literally lost the war they were fighting, and dying, to win.

  44. 50

    Deplorable Me

    @retire05: Many Vietnam vets developed a hatred for our government (reasonably so) because of the treatment they got for fulfilling their duties. They felt betrayed by being involved in a war that could have been won but wasn’t and was totally mismanaged.

    Only when the Democrats (those actually responsible for the war, the mishandling and the abuse of returning soldiers) began hating the government as well did some of these veterans align themselves with the very people responsible for most of their pain and loss.

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    another vet

    @retire05:

    have never understood why anyone would associate themselves with the very Party that encouraged protests against our returning soldiers and literally lost the war they were fighting, and dying, to win.

    That is why I vowed never to vote for another dem after returning from my first tour in Iraq. They voted to send us there when it was popular and then turned on our mission, and thus us, for political gain. Backstabbing lowlifes. They are the America sucks party.

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    another vet

    @Deplorable Me: As evidenced by what happened in Iraq. Obama squandered our hard earned gains. The military was able to get them back. They attributed it to the fact that PT let the military do their jobs. There was no more getting clearance from the WH to conduct an operation. The commanders on the ground made the decisions. Leaving the warfighting to those who were trained to do it and not some politician who knows nothing about fighting wars. What a novel idea.

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    Deplorable Me

    @another vet: If Obama had been 1/10 the LEADER Trump is, he could have wiped ISIS out in its infancy. He was too gutless to confront his blunders and lies and was willing to see hundreds of thousands killed and millions displaced by his stupid policies. But, at least he got credit for pulling our troops out of Iraq.

    How can anyone that served in the military possibly honor this America-hating moron?

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    retire05

    @another vet:

    Obama squandered our hard earned gains. The military was able to get them back. They attributed it to the fact that PT let the military do their jobs.

    Under Obama, the ROEs were absurd. It is a wonder that more American military were not slaughtered in Iraq, and Afghanistan, under Obama’s ROEs than were. That, it itself, is a testimony to how great our fighting men and women are. Glad you made it home, Soldier.

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    Richard Wheeler

    Thirteen posts in 9 hours—Glad I give you people something to do.
    I never said NONE of the VETS I know voted for Trump–OF COURSE many did and many didn’t

    Kitt–Are you saying a wife becomes POTUS when her husband is ill? Never heard that one.

    I’ll be 75 Saturday .I was in country during the Tet Offensive 2/68. ALL are invited to my home anytime you are in Southern Cal

    AV—I have no ill will towards any at FA–TRULY A WASTE OF ENERGY—I choose to enjoy life, help my fellow Marines, advocate for the voiceless animals and the environment—and be a devoted loving husband–what else REALLY natters.—my 2 Huskies reminded me of their importance—-saw a great tee -“Be the person your dogs think you are.”

    Semper Fi Keep fighting Tulsi

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    kitt

    @Richard Wheeler: I have a serious question what is on the democrat platform that makes you willing to vote for one?
    I cant help you find out WTF the 2020 platform is, just people making fun of it and saying every Democrat running will tax the lint out of the bottom of our pockets, then blame Republicans when all their ideas fail miserably. (nothing new under the sun)

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    Rich Wheeler

    @another vet: Our beautiful Goldens Charles aka Charlie Brown and Diana crossed the Rainbow Bridge in December and March.
    Akira is an Alaskan and Baloo a Siberian—wonderful animals who carry the loving souls of our beloved Goldens.
    Thanks A.V.

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    an ol exaJARHEAD

    @Deplorable Me:

    close; but no cigar.

    I was a Reagan Dem. I volunteered to fight JFK’s war in ’63. As his friend from Ford told us ~20 years ago JFK never wanted to win. He wanted to distract us from the bad economy. Bobby Mac was close to JFK for decades. If anyone knew what was going on and why it was the Ford man Sec. Def. Bobby!

    I figured out what, Bobby would 30 years later admit, while in Nam acquiring a nice array of scars. Our “leaders” did not want to win

    I voted For Barry! I voted for Ronny many times!

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