Liberals believe your civil rights end when they don’t like you

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it. The media has lost its collective mind. Mass insanity reigns.CBS This Morning opened with their senior journalist Steven Colbert and followed up with legendary reporter Jimmy Kimmel, all in ridiculing Donald Trump.  The media has a full court press on for Trump and is utterly ignoring ethics, principle and the Constitution.

Let’s look at Trump’s initial reaction to Charlottesville, for which he was widely derided:

“But we’re closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Va.. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. It’s been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.

“I just got off the phone with the governor of Virginia, Terry Mcauliffe, and we agree that the hate and the division must stop, and must stop right now. We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation and true — really, I say this so strongly, true affection for each other.”

I am not seeing much wrong with it. But that wasn’t enough. Trump did not express the pure hate the left demanded. So they’ve decided to rain hatred down on him.

CBS News (again) ran an analysis. It determined that the two sides were not “equal.” Trump never said they were.

ABC News posts:

Trump blames counter-protesters for Charlottesville violence, hundreds protest in Loop

It’s a lie. An outright lie.

CNN, home of fake news, ran article citing the most shocking things coming from Trump’s conference.

2. On whether the attack that killed Heather Heyer in Charlottesville was ‘terrorism’

Ever see CNN get this bent when obama wouldn’t call killing 4 Marines and a sailor terrorism?

5. On how he viewed the weekend violence and who was responsible

Both sides bear responsibility. Who forced the counter protesters to get in the faces of the supremacists? Trump?

7. Echoing the right-wing argument against removing Confederate monuments

Trump asked- where does it stop? It is a fair question.

9. On who was to blame for the violence

Both sides bear responsibility. That is not in question. All these were found “shocking” by CNN without even attempting to include facts because it would interfere with the narrative. For a smattering of perspectives, you can read this article.

The Charlottesville police chief proved himself to be a fool  when defended his actions- or rather, his lack of action.

The most disturbing thing I’ve run into over the last couple of days is the willingness of the left to suspend the civil rights of those they find repugnant. I’ve been called a racist and a supporter of the Neo-Nazis- all the things you’d expect from the left- all because the one thing I support is the Constitution.

I am a Constitutionalist. I am principled. I was trying to debate this with liberals today. This is how it went down today:

Me: Do you agree that this violence could have been avoided if the two sides were kept separate?

Them: You’re a racist.

Me: Unite the Right had been given permission to hold a rally in Emancipation Park. The counter protesters did not.

Them: You’re a racist.

Them: Funny John, even in that photo seems one side is the clear aggressor and armed, the other just looking to keep from getting beaten.

Me:  If they’re looking to keep from being beaten, WTF are they there getting in the faces of the supremacists?

Them: John… I usually don’t ask people this straight out…. but are you a racist?

Me: No. I am a Constitutionalist. I am highly principled.

Them: Yes, the Nazis sure do think different than I do. I was just curious why you seem to be defending them as much as you are. Freedom of Speech is one thing, but this sickening racist bullshit with words of killing people, and yes, actually killing someone, is not my idea of something that should be protected under the constitution. Not here in America. Not in these “United States.”

Me:  I am not defending them. This is one colossally stupid ass canard. I am defending their rights under the Constitution- and yours as well.

Them: Holy cripes. Can you separate peaceful protests vs. those inciting riots? Talk about sad…

Me: One side had the legal right for a rally, the other did not. One side swooped in looking for confrontation with people they knew were also looking for a fight. That’s pretty stupid

Me again: Blocking the street to confront and taunt the supremacists was particularly unintelligent.

Me again:  I can’t get answer from anyone here on this. Let me try with you. Do you think it would have been a good idea to keep the two sides apart?

Them: Wow, John I’m done. You can play at the I’m just a constitutionalist thing but you aren’t kidding me. You’re true motives are obvious and pathetic. You’re equating the racists with people protesting hate. Sorry that doesn’t fly. If this is what you truly believe I’m sorry but it does tell me you have struggles with racism.

Me:  I would stand up for your rights under the Constitution as vociferously as anyone else’s. If that’s being a racist, then I am guilty.

Them: John there is no absolute right to free speech. Speech like what we saw Saturday by the racists was intended to incite violence. That’s not protected. So you can get off your pretend constitutional high horse and address the real issues. Do you side with Duke and Trump? Don’t seem to want to answer that one.

Me:  I side with the Constitution. You might want to consider it. BTW, hate speech is protected by the Constitution.

That’s how it went. No sensible debate- only the decerebrate rejoinder – you’re a racist. Because you don’t agree with them.

And Good God, the idiot Republicans- Ryan, Rubio and McCain- all looking to hide under Mother’s politically correct apron and avoid the facts. an the fact is- both sides were looking for a fight and they got one.

They all wanted to pin the blame- on Trump. All I wanted was to try to prevent the injuries and loss of life. It all was preventable. It was all really simple. Keep them apart- and Heather Heyer would be alive today. But that makes me a racist among the execrable liberals.

And then there was this:

Me: Wouldn’t it have been better to marginalize it and not give it all the attention it got?

Them: Nope. Letting it fester unchecked isn’t a good idea. This needs to be confronted and denounced.

Me: So M*** feels Heather Heyer dying is a good thing. That’s really f**ked up.

The argument about this has been bastardized beyond recognition. The left and the pussies in the GOP are turning this into a moral equivalency “who is more righteous” contest- but it’s not. It’s a matter of principle and law. Both sides share in the culpability for the violence. One group being more repugnant than the other (and they most certainly are) does not change the facts. Nor does it erode anyone’s Constitutional rights. And you simply cannot have a sensible discussion with a liberal.

Thing is, when you are willing to abridge the rights of those with whom you disagree or find repugnant, you are no better than them. Liberals are no better than the Neo-Nazi white supremacists they so deeply revile. Liberals are a**holes.

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Why are the democrats and their sycophants trying to destroy all the Democratic statues. These are not Republican statues. The Republicans left the Whig Party to oppose slavery.. The Democrats (along with the Whigs) fought a civil war against Republicans to secure slavery. They lost. Why are they trying to erase that history?

Liberals are nothing more then a bunch of socialists leftists who want america to surrender its soventry to the New World Order why else do they support the Useless Nations and all those treaties and have Independence Hall asa World Herratage Site when the founding fathers would want nothting to do with any partnership with the worlds tyrants and despots

Now, the discovery of a craigslist ad posted last Monday, almost a full week before the Charlottesville protests, is raising new questions over whether paid protesters were sourced by a Los Angeles based “public relations firm specializing in innovative events” to serve as agitators in counterprotests.

poison planet:
Now, the discovery of a craigslist ad posted last Monday, almost a full week before the Charlottesville protests, is raising new questions over whether paid protesters were sourced by a Los Angeles based “public relations firm specializing in innovative events” to serve as agitators in counterprotests.

The ad was posted by a company called “Crowds on Demand” and offered $25 per hour to “actors and photographers” to participate in events in the “Charlotte, NC area.” While the ad didn’t explicitly define a role to be filled by its crowd of “actors and photographers” it did ask applicants to comment on whether they were “ok with participating in peaceful protests.” Here is the text from the ad:

Actors and Photographers Wanted in Charlotte
Crowds on Demand, a Los Angeles-based Public Relations firm specializing in innovative events, is looking for enthusiastic actors and photographers in the Charlotte, NC area to participate in our events. Our events include everything from rallies to protests to corporate PR stunts to celebrity scenes. The biggest qualification is enthusiasm, a “can-do” spirit. Pay will vary by event but typically is $25+ per hour plus reimbursements for gas/parking/Uber/public transit.

For more information about us, please visit http://www.crowdsondemand.com

If you’re interested in working with us, please reply to this posting with the following info:

Full Name
Prior relevant experience (as an actor/performer, photographer, brand ambassador, political activist, etc)
When are you usually available for work?
Resume (optional)
If you’re a photographer, what equipment do you use?
Are you ok with participating in peaceful protests (optional)?

I wonder, where is the criticism of the ACLU, who defended the supremacists when the city tried to move their rally out of town? Did they defend their rights or are they racists who promoted white supremacy and Nazism?

And I’m curious, what DOES AJ look like in person? Surely that is who you were conversing with.

If given a logical argument that they are unable to refute, they fall back to name calling its like trying to debate a 6th grader.
Anyone that isnt lockstep with their feelings must be labeled and put in a box to be abused.

@Eve. Of Destruction:

Why are the democrats and their sycophants trying to destroy all the Democratic statues. These are not Republican statues. The Republicans left the Whig Party to oppose slavery.. The Democrats (along with the Whigs) fought a civil war against Republicans to secure slavery. They lost. Why are they trying to erase that history?

It isn’t clear who you consider to be Democratic and/or Republican but most go by things such as if they lean left or right or maybe have a liberal or conservative ideology or perhaps by a mindset of socialism, capitalism, federalism, etc. Those are defining characteristics and both parties have evolved over the years. For instance, it was Republican President Nixon and the predominantly conservative Burger Court that gave us Roe v Wade. My how those winds have changed. And one might ask-where are those Lincoln Conservatives? The answer would be that they are today’s Democrats.

As I pointed out the other day, these statues you speak of are not Democratic statues. I understand how you might misplace history and think perhaps these statues were erected right after the Civil War to honor of those generals but that isn’t the case. Most confederate statues were erected long after the war and on most cases at precise times of racial conflict such as the 1920 Jim Crow law escalation and fight to disenfranchise black voters. We saw many more erected during the 50s and 60s at the precise timing of desegregation laws taking place and the rise of the Martin Luther King movement..

So no, they weren’t erected by Democrats to honor the war heroes but rather erected by Republicans in order to intimidate and provoke fear. Simply put, they were a tool used by those opposing Democratic policies to fight those changes.

Regardless, who exactly are the ones seen today as protectors of these , as you say, Democratic statues? They are those opposing Democrats. Who are the ones spinning and defending the KKK, neo-nazis, white supremacist, ect? It’s those that oppose Democrats. Who are the ones cheering and thanking Trump for his rather coddling to David Dukes et al? Again, those who oppose Democrats. And finally, exactly who are these KKKs, anti-Semtic, white supremacists, neo-nazis, and even sympathizers for them we’re seeing in the streets today? Once again, it is those that seem to oppose Democrats.

@Ajay42302: Your ignorant view of democrat party history and that the KKK was the strong arm of the party is not a shock. Look at the 1924 democrat convention and Black Wallstreet just 2 examples of the history your educators kept from you.
Best you go look and learn your history not just imagine it as you wish.
http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan

The current year is 2017. The KKK and like-minded idiots changed their party affiliation en masse over 60 years ago. I understand they’re also wearing wrinkle resistant, non-iron sheets these days, which is a great time saver for their women folk.

Democrat, by the way, is a noun, not an adjective. This is basic elementary school grammar—as is the capitalization of proper nouns and adjectives. It’s The Democratic Party. I don’t know why republicans insist on wearing their faulty grasp of the English language as if it were a Trump hat.

They haven’t “lost their mind,” DrJ., they’re acting in concert.
The facts of the collusion are creeping out on alternative-to-media.
Like today at American Thinker:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/08/something_stinks_about_charlottesville.html
One meaty quote:

It is no secret that radical elements in the Democrat left have been routinely utilizing violence when it suits their purposes. We also know via secret tapings by Project Veritas that the Democratic Party has a semi-official director of dirty ops, Dick Creamer, who hires, trains, and emplaces professional disruptors to encounter, engage, and infiltrate conservative demonstrations to foment violence, assuring that the demonstrations then become the targets of negative media attention – naturally, against the conservative side. Creamer was caught on videotape boasting about his nefarious capabilities when he thought he was in friendly company.

So here we now have another blown supposedly conservative demonstration, where violence erupts and people are killed, and guess who just happens to be a ringleader of the various ultra-right to Alt-Right organizations ranging from KKK and neo-Nazis to the kind of patriotic folks who might go to a Flag Day celebration! Um, that would be our vaporous political will o’ the wisp, Jason Kessler, whose Occupy activities may well have put him in operational cahoots with high-level Democrat operatives.

Someone just reminded me about a different Dem operative in the Dirty Tricks wing of the DNC:
Scott Foval
said, “We pay mentally unstable people to do s#!t”.
So who drove into the crowd in C’Ville?
James Alex Fields, Jr., a paranoid schizophrenic who took medication daily to control hallucinations.

I wonder if he was put up to it.

@Greg:

The KKK and like-minded idiots changed their party affiliation en masse over 60 years ago.

It was over 70 years ago they became a uniparty, there is no dem or rep its just Politician.
Its delusional to think they care about you. Democrat is an insult, but so is Republican.
Antifa, KKK and the rest are all ass clowns.

now it is time to take down black memorials, rename black streets, remove black holidays, close schools named after alleged black heroes, burn books referencing any form of black history. where does the social and media hypocrisy end?

So let’s recap all of this starting with the “Trump is a racist” charge. Trump has opposed and fought racism and anti-Semitism for 30 years. That’s been reported on by the very same MSM who are now accusing him of being racist. Apparently these “reporters” don’t check their own “news” archives before making asinine claims. Orrin Hatch and Sheriff Clarke both came out and said they know Trump personally and he is no racist. It’s ironic that after all this time not a single person who knows Trump personally has called him a racist or provided any proof. Nor is there anything in writing (as was the case with Obama) where he expressed racist views.

https://www.infowars.com/timeline-30-years-of-trump-rejecting-racism-as-reported-by-msm/

Trump’s statement on the racists:

“Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans… Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.”

Any fifth grader can understand what he said. It’s far more blunt and to the point than anything Obama ever said yet today one dem is introducing Articles of Impeachment and another wants him assassinated.

What really set the dems, MSM, and the Republican cowards off was when he told the truth about what happened because it criticized Antifa, the brown shirts of the left. Over 90% of Antifa’s violence has been directed against non-white supremacist groups. Ben Carson’s home was vandalized yesterday with anti-Trump graffiti. There have been no calls to remove statues or change names of anything related to Woodrow Wilson, FDR, or LBJ- all racists. This is all about ideology to these thugs. Anti-racism is an excuse for their violence.

Look at what Antifa achieved:

Antifa achieved a PR victory this weekend by winning over the hearts and minds of the dems, MSM, and cowardly Republicans. A Hillary spokesperson compared them to the heroes who stormed Normandy. They are now one as the connection between them is out in the open. This will embolden Antifa because they are heroes to these groups.

Look at what Trump’s statement has done:

It united Antifa, the dems, the MSM, and the cowardly Republicans. Unlike the white supremacists who will fade into the woodwork like they always do after they show the world what a bunch of idiots they are, an emboldened Antifa will continue or increase the number and scope of their attacks. The overwhelming majority of those attacks will be directed against everyday hard working Americans whom they deem to be “racists” and “fascists” simply because they have different views just as they are now. Eventually everyday Americans will become even more sick of them and the MSM will no longer be able to cover for their violence like they have been. The dems, MSM, and cowardly Republicans are now joined at the hip with them meaning they’ll share the blame for whatever Antifa does.

Trump knew exactly what he was doing when he called out Antifa.