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Identity theft is a crime. A serious crime. Social Security theft is a crime. A serious crime.

Identity Theft

Identity (ID) theft is a crime where a thief steals your personal information, such as your full name or social security number, to commit fraud. The identity thief can use your information to fraudulently apply for credit, file taxes, or get medical services. These acts can damage your credit status, and cost you time and money to restore your good name. You may not know that you are the victim of ID theft until you experience a financial consequence (mystery bills, credit collections, denied loans) down the road from actions that the thief has taken with your stolen identity.

Stealing a social security number is a felony.

Guadalupe García de Rayos is a convicted felon. She is also an illegal alien. She was convicted of identity theft in 2008. She made use of a stolen social security number to gain employment in the US. Read how this was characterized by AZ Central:

Garcia de Rayos has a felony criminal impersonation conviction. The conviction stems from a 2008 work-site raid carried out by then-Maricopa County Joe Arpaio’s deputies. The raid revealed Garcia de Rayos, among other unauthorized workers, had used a Social Security number belonging to someone else to illegally gain employment at Golfland Sunsplash amusement park in Mesa.

See how it was necessary to include Joe Arpaio, reviled by the left for enforcing immigration law.  Garcia de Rayos was finally deported and the MSM absolutely lost its mind over an illegally alien convicted felon being deported.

Scott Pelley:

One of the president’s recent orders prioritizes the deportation of illegal immigrants who have committed crimes. Well, Carter Evans found a woman caught by this order who had been allowed to remain in Phoenix under president Obama’s immigration policy.

Lester Holt:

In Arizona, an undocumented woman at the center of an immigration uproar has now been deported after 21 years living in the U.S., she was arrested yesterday and shipped back to Mexico today. Now the family she leaves behind is voicing their outrage and pointing fingers at the president.

Go to the link to read the rest of the sob story.

Identity theft is costly. Along with credit card fraud, identity theft is estimated to cost US consumers $16 billion in 2016. And it’s not just the money.

It’s been nearly three years since Brian Bateman’s identity was stolen, and he still finds it painful to talk about.

“Just the thought of doing this interview had me stressed all weekend,” says Bateman, a 38-year-old teacher in Morristown, New Jersey. “I don’t mind talking about it, but it’s just a reminder that every time I think I’m finished dealing with this, something else happens.”

Bateman’s identity was stolen in 2011 as part of a large East Coast identity theft ring that has landed at least seven people in jail. The ringleaders used stolen identity attributes to open credit cards in the victims’ names, then changed the victims’ address information to reroute their mail and hide the evidence. Although Bateman had no money stolen, the crime’s effects have lingered. “I still get collections notices,” he says. “I get 1099 forms for jobs I never held.”

Bateman is proof that even when there are no lasting financial effects, identity theft is far from a victimless crime. The emotional toll can be significant: between the hassle of changing bank accounts and passwords to worries of repeat crimes and lack of trust, being a fraud victim can lead to both psychological and physical distress.

Donald Trump promised to deport illegal alien criminals. The LA Times frets that felons will be considered felons for the purposes of deportation screening.

What drives some of crazy is liberal inability to accept consequences of one’s actions. If you or I commit identity theft, we would be prosecuted and jailed. Do you think Scott Pelley or Lester Holt would be crying about you on national television being “ripped” from your family and life because you committed felony identity theft?

No.

Did either Pelley or Holt worry for the separation of Jessica Franklin or Jesse Ray Chitwood or John Townsend or Jeffrey Ihm from their families?

No.

Liberals are dismayed to see a return to respect for the law after an eight year hiatus. barack obama made crimes by illegal aliens laudable, releasing 68,000 illegal alien criminals to the streets in 2013. Obama’s ICE released 36,007 illegal alien criminals convicted of 88,000 crimes- and not low level crimes:

The records show that more than 16,000 were convicted of driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Over 9,000 had dangerous drug convictions, 1,075 were convicted of aggravated assault, 426 of sexual assault and 193 of homicide. Additionally, the records show that 1,160 of the freed illegal immigrants had stolen vehicle convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions and 303 flight escape convictions.

 

Right now democrats are clamoring to decriminalize identity theft by illegals.

This is ridiculous. It’s long been said “If you don’t want to do the time don’t do the crime.” Liberals are taking the problems created by their feckless policies and lax law enforcement and trying to make them ours. Then again, liberals have never been big on personal responsibility. Letting Garcia de Rayos stay sends the wrong message. It only incentivizes more illegal invasion and it incentivizes more identity theft.

It is not the fault of Americans that illegal aliens come across the border illegally.

It is not the fault of Americans that illegal aliens commit felonies.

It is not the fault of Americans that illegal aliens engage in actions that have consequences for them and their families. Garcia de Rayos’ children are upset:

“We don’t deserve to go through this,” her daughter, Jacqueline, told reporters. “No family deserves to go through this. It’s heartbreaking. No one should feel this much pain; no one should go through this much suffering.”

They may not deserve it, but that’s something one ought to consider before committing the crime, just as the rest of us US citizens must. Garcia de Rayos knew this was coming.

We are not responsible for this situation. Only one person is- Garcia de Rayos. I am sorry she chose to commit a felony. I am sorry that she wasn’t worried about the consequences her actions would visit upon her family.

She alone is responsible.

Here’s a little detail I have not seen in any other coverage of this event. In 2013:

Court documents obtained by ABC15 also show Garcia had previously been ordered to self-deport.

As for committing felony identity theft? She says she has no regrets.

Adiós!

 

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Why is it that the Kook-a-doodles defend law breakers? Why do they rush to the defense of all types of scumbags who break the law in many ways.

If the alt-left is of the belief that current statutory laws need not be enforced, ignoring the laws you pick and choose because of emotion is not how a representative republic functions.

Might I suggest you run for office and work to change those laws for which you disagree.

@Kevin Kirkpatrick: So, how do these benevolent people cross-check the SSN they have… “taken” (let’s not be so vulgar as to say they “stole” it)… to make sure it doesn’t already belong to someone else? As they say, ignorance of the law is no defense, ESPECIALLY when the ignorant person is here ILLEGALLY.

If someone drives a car without a license because they needed to go pick up some medicine and they were not aware of what a “YIELD” sign directs, causes an accident in which someone is killed, is this “no harm, no foul” because they were just driving illegally an recklessly out of ignorance?

Illegal immigrants should not be here; they are not tolerated anywhere else. Whatever harm and discomfort they cause is totally unnecessary and in acceptable.

I see where there were demonstrations in Mexico City, demanding “respect”. The ultimate disrespect of one nation to another is to send their needy citizens illegally across the border and DEMAND the citizens of that host country provide for the illegal immigrants.

Phuoc THAT.

This is how Americans feel about hispanics that love the country and not afraid to show it.

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Greg

:Maybe more would be getting done if Trump wasn’t wasting so much time on the golf course. What do you think?

2 rounds in 3 weeks. Obozo did that many on the afternoon of his inaug.

Trump should have devoted himself to golf, being so gifted at it and all.

This guy is so full of himself. Which is to say, he is full of…uh…beans.

He should definitely cut down on McDonald’s, KFC, and Wendy’s meals, before he begins to resemble another “Scotch” character well-known from Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me.

@Greg: So, you are resorting to cartoon responses? You really have the reasoning power of a very small child.

@Randy, #57:

The man now in the White House is a cartoon.

Good move, Vladimir. Novorossiya will be under Russian control by the end of the year. The Trump administration will make noises, but do nothing. It’s all there, already laid out on the chessboard. You’ll see.

Meanwhile, America will be distracted by Trump’s juggling act. Instead of balls, he juggles absurdities and the outrages of the week. If attention wanders toward the substantive, he’ll quickly say or do something to snap it back. That’s how this works.

@Greg: Except that, unlike Obama who over-sold everything and delivered nothing, Trump has been producing positive results.

This productivity, keeping campaign promises, honoring his commitments drives you liberals nuts, so used as you are to your figureheads simply pretending at leadership.

The Trump administration will make noises, but do nothing. It’s all there, already laid out on the chessboard. You’ll see.

Oh, NOW you want a war. Perhaps now that we have a leader that could actually win one without squandering a victory, as Obama did with Iraq, you are not so afraid of a conflict.

We shall see. Hopefully Obama stops stirring up trouble and violence long enough to observe what an actual leader does when he is leading.

@Greg: You have been wrong about everything Trump. Look at the Dow Jones, Look at the beginning of the wall, look at deporting illegals who commit felonies, look at the interface with important world leaders. You have not been able to predict 1 thing correctly. I think that is called losing. You are a loser.

@July 4th American: Hey have you seen this??

@Bill… Deplorable Me, #59:

Except that, unlike Obama who over-sold everything and delivered nothing, Trump has been producing positive results.

Obama didn’t deliver Novorossiya up to Vladimir Putin.

@Greg:

Obama didn’t deliver Novorossiya up to Vladimir Putin.

who did? So far as I can determine it has been a part of Russia since 1917, Putin wasn’t around back then. uh, was he?

@RedTeam, #63:

So far as I can determine it has been a part of Russia since 1917, Putin wasn’t around back then.

It most certainly is not part of Russia. “Novorossiya” is the name Vladamir Putin and ethnic Russian separatists living in the region—who constituted a minority of the population—have given to the south-eastern half of the Republic of Ukraine. Ethnic Russian separatists declared Novorossiya—or New Russia—to exist on May 22, 2014, and decided to start shooting at people who disagreed with them. As of the most recent census, in 2001, ethnic Russians comprised only 26.8 percent of the population; ethnic Ukrainians comprised 67.8 percent. There was an election held in 1991. The vast majority of residents wanted to be part of Ukraine.

Russia is about to take over and occupy half of a neighboring country. Russia isn’t “recovering” lost territory because Russia never owned or administered it to begin with, either before or after 1917. It wasn’t part of the Czar’s Russian Empire. It was controlled for a time by the Soviet Union, which dominated many Eastern European nations. That doesn’t mean Russia now has some right to expand its borders to match those of the former Soviet Union.

This is a hostile territorial take-over by Vladimir Putin, plain and simple. He worked to make this opportunity happen. This was part of his motive for election meddling.

@Greg:

Obama didn’t deliver Novorossiya up to Vladimir Putin.

If anyone “delivered” them to Putin, it was Obama. He was President for 8 years, Trump has been trying to clean up that mess for three weeks.

Obama delivered Crimea to Putin. He delivered Iraq and Libya to ISIS. He delivered nuclear capability and ballistic missile delivery to Iran. I guess you’re right; he DID deliver.

If only the “media” had been as aggressive in the last 8 years. But, that is a pipe dream, they agreed with the America hating POS. The”media” hates America too….

@July 4th American: Oh, they were aggressive. They aggressively covered Obama’s failures and corruption, which was a full time job (one of the few that came out of the Obama administration).

@Greg: Your educational failure should not be used to punish the rest of us.

Novorossiya (Russian: Новоро́ссия; IPA: [nəvɐˈrosʲɪjə] ( listen); Romanian: Noua Rusie), literally New Russia but sometimes called South Russia[citation needed], is a historical term of the Russian Empire denoting a region north of the Black Sea (presently part of Ukraine). It was formed as a new imperial province of Russia (Novorosiiskaia guberniia) in 1764 from military frontier regions along with parts of the southern Hetmanate in preparation for war with the Ottomans.[1] It was further expanded by the annexation of the Zaporozhian Sich in 1775. It at various times it encompassed the Moldavian region of Bessarabia, the modern Ukraine′s regions of the Black Sea littoral (Prychornomoria), Zaporizhia, Tavria, the Azov Sea littoral (Pryazovia), the Tatar region of Crimea, the Nogai steppe at the Kuban River, and the Circassian lands.
The region was part of the Russian Empire until its collapse following the Russian February Revolution in early March 1917, after which it became part of the short-lived Russian Republic. Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, there have been attempts to revive Novorossiya, the most significant of which has been the pro-Russian separatist movement to create a Novorossiyan confederation with the subsequent War in Donbass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya

Greg, you did pick up these 2 lines? right? ” The region was part of the Russian Empire until its collapse following the Russian February Revolution in early March 1917″..,”” It was formed as a new imperial province of Russia (Novorosiiskaia guberniia) in 1764 from military frontier regions along with parts of the southern Hetmanate in preparation for war with the Ottomans.”

@RedTeam, #68:

Suddenly Wikipedia is your resource of choice? Do you understand how Wikipedia works?

Novorossia was a real “historical” entity much like Sudetenland was a real “historical” entity. It’s newly-invented history, contrived for contemporary political purposes. The accuracy of the article is being challenged. Did you read the Wikipedia article’s Talk page? It has been pointed out in that discussion that no actual historical entity known as Novorossiya ever existed. It was nothing more than a conceptual entity during the days of the Russian Empire, which is now being embellished to give some credibility to the Putin government’s expansionist ambitions. There are no historical references supporting the story the Putin government and separatists are advancing because Novorossia isn’t part of real history.

“This article is about a concept, not an actual historical entity. An article about a historical entity with a similar name is located at Novorossiysk Governorate. In a sense, this article is an expansion of the article on a Governorate of the Russian Empire, which is completely irrelevant today. The corresponding region is definitely not referred to as “Novorossiya” by the either Ukrainian government or the people who currently live in that area. There was no region that officially carried the name “Novorossiya” in history, making the “historical area” merely a concept.”

Russia and the Menace of Unreality—How Vladimir Putin is revolutionizing information warfare

The article dates from September, 2014: From Russia and the Menace of Unreality:

At the NATO summit in Wales last week, General Philip Breedlove, the military alliance’s top commander, made a bold declaration. Russia, he said, is waging “the most amazing information warfare blitzkrieg we have ever seen in the history of information warfare.”

It was something of an underestimation. The new Russia doesn’t just deal in the petty disinformation, forgeries, lies, leaks, and cyber-sabotage usually associated with information warfare. It reinvents reality, creating mass hallucinations that then translate into political action. Take Novorossiya, the name Vladimir Putin has given to the huge wedge of southeastern Ukraine he might, or might not, consider annexing. The term is plucked from tsarist history, when it represented a different geographical space. Nobody who lives in that part of the world today ever thought of themselves as living in Novorossiya and bearing allegiance to it—at least until several months ago. Now, Novorossiya is being imagined into being: Russian media are showing maps of its ‘geography,’ while Kremlin-backed politicians are writing its ‘history’ into school textbooks. There’s a flag and even a news agency (in English and Russian). There are several Twitter feeds. It’s like something out of a Borges story—except for the very real casualties of the war conducted in its name.

Does this business about the reinvention of history and reality sound familiar? It should, to anyone who’s been paying close attention to our own right-wing media. An alternate reality is being made out of “alternate facts,” designed to further a political agenda that is not entirely compatible with real facts and actual historical reality. It just got a man elected president who never should have been, and he has embraced the matter of alternate facts and alternate reality with a passion.

@Greg: I find it rather humorous that you bash Wikipedia in one sentence

Suddenly Wikipedia is your resource of choice? Do you understand how Wikipedia works

and then in the very next paragraph, quote them as you source

Did you read the Wikipedia article’s Talk page? It has been pointed out in that discussion

I can quote at least 5 other sources that the name Novorossiya, both existed and referred to geographical areas in the general vicinity as now, many years ago and is certainly not a recent creation.
I fail to understand your objective of ‘making stuff up’.

I find it rather humorous that you bash Wikipedia in one sentence

I’m not bashing Wikipedia. It’s a very useful resource. Anyone using such an open source must understand how it works, however, and critically evaluate the information that is presented, because the world is full of people who put their own agendas ahead of truth. Wikipedia is not a primary source. It was never intended to be one.

I can quote at least 5 other sources that the name Novorossiya, both existed and referred to geographical areas in the general vicinity as now, many years ago and is certainly not a recent creation.

I can find sources that claim the planet is secretly ruled by alien reptilians that have bases inside the hollow Earth. All sources are not created equal. You won’t find any credible primary sources that delineate the history of Novorossiya, because there was no such nation or distinct governed territory.

Novorossiya never existed as an actual historical entity. It’s Vladimir Putin’s Sudetenland. Hail, Freedonia! Long live The Duchy of Grand Fenwick!

@Greg:

I’m not bashing Wikipedia. It’s a very useful resource. Anyone using such an open source must understand how it works, however, and critically evaluate the information that is presented,

Oh, now I get it. When Wikipedia supports you, it’s correct. If it does not support you, it’s because someone ‘doesn’t understand how it works’. Oh, so you’re saying it’s a liberal-progressive mechanism to support their BS and to disprove the other side’s point of view. Ok, got it. So you’re saying that since Missouri or Kansas is not now a part of Louisiana, that they never existed? Yes, actually that’s what you’re saying.

@Greg:

Novorossiya never existed as an actual historical entity. It’s Vladimir Putin’s Sudetenland.

So you’re saying that any reference to that named country, that I can find prior to the birth of Putin has to be fake or a forgery? What about if I gave you an article from an Atlas printed in 1937 which is accompanied by a map that shows a history of that area? Would you still claim it is a Putin invention? Answer that question prior to me reproducing the article. (yes I know the map won’t reproduce on FA, but the article certainly will)

I’m saying what I said. It’s not my problem if someone can’t process English sentences well enough to properly take their meaning. Some people clearly don’t want to do so.

@Greg:

Some people clearly don’t want to do so.

So that’s why you avoid answering questions.

I’m saying what I said.

So according to you, there was no part of the country of Russia that was named Novorossiya, prior to the birth of Putin. LOL, unbelievable…………

Correct. There was no historical entity called Novorossiya corresponding to the region defined by the borders drawn on Putin’s imaginary historical map, either inside or outside of Russia proper.

Novorossiya was nothing more than a historical concept. There was no such nation. There was no such administrative territory. It was a term, like “the Midwest,” or “the Southwest.”

These guys are really cranking out the bullshit. All those people telling you Novorossiya is a lie? Hey, they’re the liars! We’re putting together some new history books to prove it!

@Greg:

either inside or outside of Russia proper.

You’re read me telling RW he should apply for a tuition refund from the school he went to because he didn’t get the education he thought he was paying for, well, I’d recommend the same thing for you. And yes, I recognize that you’re trying to retain wiggle room by putting in ‘qualifying’ words as a bail out. Such as:

inside or outside of Russia proper

I’m pretty sure we’re not going to find a “Russia Proper” on any map.

no such nation

No one said there was a ‘nation’.

administrative territory

Oh, so now you’re saying it ‘might have existed’ on paper, but not ‘really’.

It was a term, like “the Midwest,” or “the Southwest.”

Oh, kinda like Missouri didn’t exist because it was part of Louisiana?

EXPOSING LIES ABOUT THE FORMER UKRAINE, NOVOROSSIYA, AND RUSSIA

Can’t expose a lie about Novorossiya if it never existed. What’s your point?

Do you need a link to a site with a form letter for demanding your tuition refund? It’s for most liberals that never got what they paid for.

@RedTeam, #78:

Inside or outside pretty much covers the full range of possible locations vis-à-vis Russia, doesn’t it? Unless maybe you can think of somewhere that is neither inside or outside of Russia’s borders.

The point is that Novorossyia didn’t historically exist. It’s an alternate history construct, created to justify Vladimir Putin’s hostile territorial expansions. That’s a fact. If you want to accept Russian propaganda and believe otherwise no one can stop you, but people who know better will still know better.

@Greg:

Inside or outside

inside or outside of Russia proper.

It was the “Russia proper” I was pointing out. While I’ve seen Russia on maps, I’ve never seen ‘Russia Proper’ on a map, so I’m going with there is no inside or outside of ‘Russia Proper’.

The point is that Novorossyia didn’t historically exist.

more weasel words, ‘didn’t ‘historically exist’ ” How is that different from ‘didn’t exist’. what does the ‘historically’ qualifier add to the conversation?

You need that link to that form?

@RedTeam, #80:

It was the “Russia proper” I was pointing out.

“Russia proper” simply distinguishes Russia from the the former Soviet Union, the borders of which included more than Russia itself. People often failed to make any distinction between the two.

more weasel words, ‘didn’t ‘historically exist’ ” How is that different from ‘didn’t exist’.

No actual nation, territory, or administrative entity known as Novorossyia exists in legitimate, recorded historical records.

Here we go. All the propaganda that’s fit to print, all in one convenient location! NATO accuses Russia of fake news, while hysterically warning of WWIII It even has the correct hyperbolic tone.

@Greg: So you’ve never heard that when the hole gets deep enough, you should stop digging? Well, I notice you didn’t challenge me when I offered to prove, in a 1937 Atlas, that the area/country of Novorossyia was listed in it. And Putin was born in 1952.

Labels shown on maps don’t imply that the geographical areas they refer to are a country, territory, or an administrative region. New Albion, or Nova Albio, was once a name on a map identifying a place that wasn’t actually governed by anybody. It wasn’t a country.

@Greg: yea, but when the map has the name plastered across the country and the year is prior to 1952, you can be damn sure that the country was known by that name prior to Putin being born.
Just what piece of land do you know of anywhere in the world that is not ‘governed’ by anyone? The standard as to the name of a country is not whether someone governs it or not, it’s what it is known as. The State or country of Louisiana was not ‘governed’ by Louisiana prior to 1803, it was governed by France, but it damn sure wasn’t ‘known’ as France.

So you’ve never heard that when the hole gets deep enough, you should stop digging?

Have you requested your tuition refund yet?

@Greg:

Does this business about the reinvention of history and reality sound familiar?

Yeah, it’s what our own liberal media has been doing since the Bush administration. You celebrate it.

@Greg: Greg disrespects Wikipedia after all of his years of quoting them! Aren’t liberals hilarious?

@Randy:

Greg disrespects Wikipedia after all of his years of quoting them!

Yes look at his comment 69 above where he ridicules them in the first sentence, then in the very next sentence, uses them as his authority. I pointed it out to him, but I’m not sure it registered. He sees no conflict.