This is what really should bother you about the Russian hacking scandal (Post bumped from January)

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obama’s intelligence heads offered up a report on the Russian hacking scandal. The report, which experts called “underwhelming”,  revealed little new information or it did, depending on which side of the aisle you sit. There is no question that this entire story is being ginned up by democrats solely for political purposes.

What did we get out of this report?

  • The Russians had an axe to grind with hillary clinton for her having meddled in their elections:

Their rocky relationships goes back to her tenure as secretary of state and as senator. At one point she accused his party of rigging an election, and Putin accused her of inciting protests against his government. Even Clinton herself has attributed a grudge toward her as the motivation for the Russian hacks.

Meddle she did:

As Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov looked on, Clinton told the group the United States had “serious concern about the conduct of the elections,” and called for a “full investigation” of all reports of fraud and intimidation.”

“The Russian people, like people everywhere, deserve the right to have their voices heard and their votes counted,” Clinton said. “And that means they deserve free, fair, transparent elections and leaders who are accountable to them.”

further:

“When authorities fail to prosecute those who attack people for exercising their rights or exposing abuses, they subvert justice and undermine the people’s confidence in their governments,” Clinton said. “As the Duma elections in Russia clearly demonstrate, elections that are neither free nor fair have the same effect,” Clinton said.

And you know what they say about payback:

“Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime . . . and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him,” the report said.

“Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency.”

This didn’t stop the NY Times from misrepresenting the report to make Trump look bad:

 

No, it was aimed at discrediting her.

The Russians were engaged in actions at least as far back as 2015- before Trump was the GOP candidate.

“They did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort,” Clapper said under questioning from Chairman John McCain (R.-Ariz.)

  • There’s no evidence any propaganda changed anyone’s minds

I know no one who knows anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone whose vote was changed because of whatever information is supposed to have come from the Russians.  Moreover:

Clapper further implicitly conceded that whatever the Russians might have done in making Democratic National Committee emails available to the public, the outcome of the U.S. presidential election nonetheless reflected “the choices” of American voters.

Even the hacks at Politifact agree:

Based on the evidence, it seems highly unlikely that actions by the Russian government contributed in any decisive way to Trump’s win over Clinton.

Let us not forget that the emails became available because John Podesta handed over the password to his account. He got hooked in a phishing trip. Additionally, let us note that none of the Podesta emails were forged. They accurately depicted the chicanery and dishonesty of the clinton campaign.

So the Russian efforts were about undermining hillary, but that really isn’t  what should be bothering you. What should be bothering you is why obama allowed it to happen and allow it to go on he did.

In 2014 the Russian hacked the White House computers which were down for “weeks.” It was met by silence from the administraition:

Why the coy silence? Because it was October 2014, weeks before the midterm elections, and the story reflected poorly on the Obama administration, which didn’t even discover the intrusion itself. It turned out that American officials were alerted to the Russian hack of the White House and State Department by an unidentified ally (I’m guessing Israel).

The obama administration has known about Russian hacking since at least 2015.

WASHINGTON — When Special Agent Adrian Hawkins of the Federal Bureau of Investigation called the Democratic National Committee in September 2015 to pass along some troubling news about its computer network, he was transferred, naturally, to the help desk.

His message was brief, if alarming. At least one computer system belonging to the D.N.C. had been compromised by hackers federal investigators had named “the Dukes,” a cyberespionage team linked to the Russian government.

The F.B.I. knew it well: The bureau had spent the last few years trying to kick the Dukes out of the unclassified email systems of the White House, the State Department and even the Joint Chiefs of Staff, one of the government’s best-protected networks.

The DNC did not take it seriously:

Yared Tamene, the tech-support contractor at the D.N.C. who fielded the call, was no expert in cyberattacks. His first moves were to check Google for “the Dukes” and conduct a cursory search of the D.N.C. computer system logs to look for hints of such a cyberintrusion. By his own account, he did not look too hard even after Special Agent Hawkins called back repeatedly over the next several weeks — in part because he wasn’t certain the caller was a real F.B.I. agent and not an impostor.

Here’s the bottom line to all of this-despite knowing obama did NOTHING

Mr. Obama was briefed regularly on all this, but he made a decision that many in the White House now regret: He did not name Russians publicly, or issue sanctions. There was always a reason: fear of escalating a cyberwar, and concern that the United States needed Russia’s cooperation in negotiations over Syria.

“We’d have all these circular meetings,” one senior State Department official said, “in which everyone agreed you had to push back at the Russians and push back hard. But it didn’t happen.”

So the Russians escalated again — breaking into systems not just for espionage, but to publish or broadcast what they found, known as “doxing” in the cyberworld.

It is amusing that democrats routinely berate Trump as being Putin’s pal when it is obama who has been Putin’s b*tch for the last eight years. Never mind that obama has interfered in elections both in the UK and in Israel. In 2012 obama promised to be more “flexible” for “Vlad” and since then he has taken it up the wazoo for Putin.

obama didn’t react to any of Russia’s actions- whether it was the Ukraine, Crimea, buzzing ships and aircraft, or hacking US assets. Now he musters a half-assed response after an election he fully expected to go for clinton and only because she lost and he needs badly to save face. Had she won, this would not even be a story the media would care about. obama has done nothing but project weakness around the world and has emboldened these actions against us.

THAT is what should be irritating you.

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So you’ll have to forgive some of us if we don’t share your outrage about this now. Some of us were outraged long ago and you should have been too.

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@Greg:

You don’t know that the names of operatives were on Clinton’s servers any more than you know whether or not Donald Trump wears polka dotted silk bloomers under his suit pants.

Hillary had agent’s names on her email
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/02/hillary-clinton-exchanged-cia-officers-names-private-server/

My contention is that there was absolutely no such material on her server; that the only classified information consisted of material that was already public or that was retroactively classified upward to avoid exposure resulting from the investigation itself ; that if any such items had been there, at least some would have been leaked to unquestionably prove the case against her and prevent her election.

Hmmm… but what if who hacked her was EXPECTING her to get elected and could use the information to blackmail her? Or, use it to defeat our foreign policy agenda? It appears you think the Republicans were hacking her. Well, I guess they could have been one of the 5 the FBI was 99% certain hacked into her server, but probably not. Probably just someone interested in seeing Americans killed.

Of course, your contention is absolutely, 100% wrong. If you remember what Comey said, she had loads of it on her server, didn’t turn all her emails over when asked to and lied to Congress about it.

Again, you only seem to know what your media handlers want you to know. Who says the Russians hacked Hillary? 5 DIFFERENT OUTSIDE ENTITIES. Last I checked, there was only one Russia.

@PhillipMarlowe: And when would that be?

@Bill… Deplorable Me, #50:

Hillary had agent’s names on her email

Because Breitbart told you so? This is typical right-wing bullshit.

The article title is “EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton Posted Names of Hidden Intelligence Officials On Her Email.” Breitbart loves a good meme, but there’s absolutely nothing in the article that follows demonstrating the claim to be accurate:

Numerous names cited in Clinton’s emails have been redacted in State Department email releases with the classification code “B3 CIA PERS/ORG,” a highly specialized classification that means the information, if released, would violate the Central Intelligence Act of 1949.

OK. And then we have:

The CIA justifies “(b)(3)” redactions with this description: “(b)(3) Applies to the Director’s statutory obligations to protect from disclosure intelligence sources and methods, as well as the organization, functions, names, official titles, salaries, or numbers of personnel employed by the Agency, in accord with the National Security Act of 1947 and the CIA Act of 1949, respectively.”

It does not logically follow that what was redacted was the name of any CIA agent. It could be anything that someone decided fell under that rather broad category.

Donald Trump, on Twitter, 7 hours ago:

“Before I, or anyone, saw the classified and/or highly confidential hacking intelligence report, it was leaked out to @NBCNews. So serious!”

Nope. An unclassified version of the report was made publicly available. What Trump got was a briefing including the classified material that appeared in the classified version of the report. There’s some overlap between the two—that being the unclassified material and conclusions.

If Trump can’t keep track of which is which, he’s headed for serious trouble. Maybe he needs to get a yellow highlighter.

@Greg:

It does not logically follow that what was redacted was the name of any CIA agent. It could be anything that someone decided fell under that rather broad category.

It doesn’t?!?

as well as the organization, functions, names, official titles, salaries

It just wouldn’t be logical, huh?

@Greg:

That’s totally illogical. Think about it for a moment:

Why would the intelligence community seriously compromise itself in order to toady up to a President who will be leaving office in only 11 days, while needlessly alienating the person they’ll all be working for during the next 4 years?

Oh….and how did you get the information that Trump is going to retain these people? All I’ve heard is that he is going to set up his on Security people. You think Trump would retain someone that betrayed the person he was working for? Even if it’s only for the last month? What would that say about their credibility? Wouldn’t ‘supporting the president’ trump supporting the new guy?
The best information I have heard is that the -ahem- ‘hacking’ was all just an inside job by disgruntled Bernie supporters that had decided they had been betrayed as much as they could stand and took the information and passed it to Wikileaks. No Russkies involved.

@Bill… Deplorable Me, #53:

It doesn’t?!?

Correct. It doesn’t. There are no facts presented from which the claim made in the title of the article logically follows.

Bears are sometimes kept in cages; it doesn’t follow that any darkened cage you find implies the presence of a bear. Other things are also kept in cages. Category (b)(3) redactions can be made to conceal information other than the identities of intelligence operatives.

Trump’s tweets are totally off the wall. Many of his rambling comments during his November 23 NYT interview—presented complete and unabridged in this full transcript—verge on incoherence. The man is in way over his head. He is, in fact, the dog that caught the bus. Either the republican Congress will take him out via impeachment, or they’ll all go down with him.

@Greg:

It’s the government that has kept the worst and most aggressive alligators fenced in.

This is the basic difference between the left and right. The left believes that the true evil is in private businesses, while the right believes it is government that is intrinsically evil.

Both have valid points, but in the end, history has shown that ruling government holds the ultimate power over people’s lives, and government has been responsible for murdering billions of people throughout history, including its own citizens.

Some businesses have ruined lives, and can influence governments, but the core of corruption backed by power has always been in the ruling class. Leftists have fantasies about a “perfect” ruler, a benevolent dictator. This does not and has never existed in history. Leftists are and have always been delusional.

@Greg:

The man is in way over his head. He is, in fact, the dog that caught the bus. Either the republican Congress will take him out via impeachment, or they’ll all go down with him.

Again, leftists are totally clueless. The reality they wish for is never close to the reality they live in. Trump had no chance to win the election per leftist logic, remember? Not only did he win, he maintained Republican dominace in the House and Senate. There are more Republican state governors and legislatures now than at any time since 1928. Your side was totally destroyed. It will be further decimated in 2020. Americans are sick and tired of your failed corrupt ideology. Now, you are about to be confused and befuddled again as Trump becomes one of the greatest presidents in history. Take it to the bank.

Of course, your weak leftist brain will never be able to accept it, no matter what. Just keep listening to MSNBC and reading the NYT, and you will feel better.

@Greg: So you contend that what is redacted is not necessarily a name. Well, that’s possible, but it is also possible (even likely) that it IS a name. But, I understand that when you are clinging to the thin premise that, no matter what facts are presented, Hillary is somehow not a lying, incompetent criminal, you have to explore every possibility, no matter how weak and silly.

What is happening is almost to bizarre to believe. The MSM,
the Dems, and the #never trump crew are trying to execute
a Coup d’ Etat They are trying to overturn an election and take out a President. The are not fussy about tactics and the truth is not
respected. The irony is that the #nevertrump crew would be tossed off of the sled if they succeed.

The narrative is beginning to fail but they will beat this dead horse for the ratings.

Fake news is catching up with them as well.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/06/26/cnn-resign-russia-scaramucci-239975

More food for thought.

The Russia Worm Is Starting To Turn On Trump Conspiracy-Mongers

The lemmings will follow this one over the cliff and their left wing media will play them for ratings gold.
In the end, they’ve got nothing.

@Mully: CNN then: “More people get their news from CNN than any other news source.”

CNN now: “More people get their fake news from CNN than any other fake news source.”

Terminate their press credentials immediately and make them register as a PAC for the DNC.

@another vet: “More peoole get bullshitted by CNN than by any other source”

@Greg: Just because you do not understand the tweets, doesn’t mean they are incoherent. There is plenty you do not understand as is evidenced by your posts here!