“I can do what I want because I’m a 5′ 1″, 105 lb libtard regressive”; and the issue of political bigotry

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A few days ago, a friend of mine posted the following to her Facebook wall:

OMG… I am at work and in comes a guy wearing a Hilary deplorable T-shirt. He is actually a customer that I know and have had friendly conversation with. Wow you just never know and now I feel a little sick inside

That attracted a lot of comments from those who share her lament:

I know the feeling, Kelly. It is somehow shocking to learn that people you thought were sane and woke actually are….deplorable.

Sorry, Kelly. The reality is that so many people are secretly bigoted. It’s hard to take that in. Especially hard to watch them flaunting it.

I chimed in 11 hours ago. Scroll above. I am so done with these polite, “normal” people with secret bigotry in their hearts who know feel they can publicly align themselves with the freak show that is Trumplandia and we’ll just think that’s OK even though we’re the targets (women, African-Americans, Muslims, Asians, LBGTS, Jews, disabled).

I have plenty of Republican friends. I have worked with and for Republicans. Your friend wordsmith’s post makes me sad because he cannot see that, in this instance particularly, supporting Trump does in fact mean supporting hatred, bigotry, misogny and overt, criminal acts in furtherance of such feelings, opinions, stances. So yes, frankly, this election is about fundamental, moral choices. You either stand for hatred, oppression, violence toward and exclusion of just about everyone who is not white, straight or male, or you do not. There is no equivalence as between Clinton and Trump. So, yes, in this election cycle, I have and will continue to distance myself from people who support Trump and what he stands for because he is morally and ethically repugnant, not to mention dangerous. I will do so also because their support for Trump means that I – as an African American and as a woman – do not matter to them. It is that simple.

I questioned my friend’s perspective and she replied that it’s changed the nature of how she will interact with the customer in the future. I replied:

Why not? If it upsets you to know he is not voting for Hillary this election, and since he wore that T-shirt he must not mind talking politics, why not ask him what his reasons are for voting Trump? Who knows? Maybe his candidate of choice was Bernie Sanders or Gary Johnson. It’s not just Trump supporters who have a bone to pick with Hillary.

Most of my FB page “likes” are to sites that I do not agree with politically.

Dialogue and understanding is important. Clarity over agreement.

And just because you have perceptions and views about Trump, don’t project that onto all of his supporters. They may have a myriad of reasons for voting Trump that have nothing to do with being racist, vile, etc. That kind of thinking leads to stereotypes and bigotry and false assumptions.

Hmmm….Judging a whole class of people without actually knowing the individual as an individual…..isn’t that bigotry? In this case, political bigotry?

My protesting comment was met with:

All you’ve said is reasonable and thoughtful but the very shirt suggests that he is rah rah Trump. If it’s just about hating Hillary (itself problematic as it means he isn’t bothering to read anything reputable explaining her candidacy) , he’d vote for Trump but not broadcast it, knowing the associations that shirt has

Well I waited but couldn’t keep quiet any longer…The point is if folks are following someone as hateful and offensive as T-rump that would speak volumes about their character…Why would someone with compassion and LOVE want to be a part of a person that hates human life and has the nerve to spew hateful rhetoric every single time they open their mouth..after all his family are immigrants yet he hates immigrants.. he has disrespected women, the disabled and the list of disrespect goes on and on..You don’t have to like Hillary however she can at least have a conversation without degrading and insulting others…”People will show you who they are and when they do believe them”…

I replied in this manner:

This is deplorable.

I feel as though, “clowns to the left of me; jokers to the right”. Both the Hillary haters and the Trump haters are really two sides of the same exact coin. Yet most of the commenters here can’t seem to see it. Just like so many of the Hillary haters. Can’t get beyond the partisan derangement syndrome for one brief moment to look at themselves in the mirror to see that they are expressing the same intolerance and hostility that they see in the political opposition.

Sandi Beamon writes: “The point is if folks are following someone as hateful and offensive as T-rump that would speak volumes about their character…Why would someone with compassion and LOVE want to be a part of a person that hates human life and has the nerve to spew hateful rhetoric every single time they open their mouth.”

Or simply misguided or fooled and brainwashed by their own political partisanship to oppose anyone with a “D” next to the name.

A number of Republicans are NeverTrumpers. But others who did not support him in the primaries and many who do not even like his character will still plug their nose and vote him in because he is the Party nominee; and like good GOP foot soldiers, they are trying to do their duty to put Party first. Why? Because in their mind, putting Party first is putting country first. Because in their worldview, Democratic Party policies have been terrible for the country. Other Republicans see him as a threat to not only the conservative name brand, but to the country. And they are putting party and country first by opposing him and disembarking from the Trump train.

Now change this to Democrats, and you’ll see the same kind of blind support for Democratic candidates; and absolute loathing and hatred for anyone with an “R” next to the name.

It’s a kind of bigotry to assume you understand someone based upon who they vote for; or what political party he identifies with. YOU and those who share your politics may think Trump is a racist, xenophobe, bigot, etc. It does not make his supporters the same. Sure there are some, who are all that and more. But there are a number of reasons why someone may vote for Trump that has nothing to do with those things; or they just don’t perceive him as such to the same degree as many of you here, do.

There are those on the right who have a lot of negative views about Hillary and believe she is absolutely evil; and that if you support her, you are just as bad. And that’s wrong. And some of you Hillary supporters are behaving no differently; because you can’t set aside your partisan lens for one brief moment to look at things objectively and to have a dialogue with Trump supporters to understand what makes them tick rather than take the dismissive, easy road of lumping them altogether as racists, xenophobes, etc. for supporting a “racist, xenophobe, etc.” candidate.

I see him more as an opportunist than a racist; and yes, absolutely vile and disgusting toward women. His policy solutions sound like big government solutions- not conservative. Everything about him is deplorable. There is nothing redeeming about him at all, in my opinion. He’s riding upon a wave of populist anger as the far right perceive the Democratic Party as becoming far left instead of center-left; and the Republican Party as Democratic Party Lite.

Voters on the right are angry at Republicans who have broken ranks and stand in opposition of Trump or in support of Hillary; even angry at those who plan to go third party or not vote because they perceive it to amount to the same thing as support for HIllary. But I see good people on both sides of it- those GOPers who have jumped ship and those who still sail with Trump. I listen to their reasons given and can respect their reasons, whether I agree or disagree. Meanwhile others will label either side as “traitors, bigots, etc.” Good grief!

I wish people could just say, “They’re wrong” for still supporting Trump. Without demonizing them. Without stereotyping. Without assuming their reasons based upon partisan beliefs and caricatures.

Kelly writes: “n this case trump vs Hilary is more than just political differences. People have to take a moral stand and declare who they are as upright human beings or not. ”

AND people on the other side of the ol’ political fence are giving similar arguments in opposition to Hillary!!!!

*sigh*

I’m done here, Kelly. I’ve pretty well said my piece and don’t want to get bogged down and dragged into a 187 comment thread of back-and-forths when I have more pleasant ways to waste my time. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to at least throw in my 2 cents worth of opining.

To which I had the following exchange with Sandi:

Sandi: Why do you feel so threatened by my comment? And why do you feel you need to write an essay…it’s FB and last time I checked it’s America where I can comment and choose as I so please..I got straight to the point…how about you??? I don’t have to entertain hatred or sit and have coffee when I can see the obvious..Trump is an idiot and in case you missed it tune in on case after case of his harassment of women, humiliating others…Listen up…do what you want but all this BS about being brain washed…go take a seat…You and your too long to bother to read comments are exactly what’s wrong with the racial tones right now..We don’t agree and you get to say what you want but the rest of us dont? GTF outta here and take ur 2 cents with you…

wordsmith: writes: “Why do you feel so threatened by my comment?”

How was my reply to you interpreted as “feeling threatened”?

You wrote: “And why do you feel you need to write an essay…”

If I could express myself in a more concise manner and be understood, I would. It would save you and me both time.

You wrote: “it’s FB and last time I checked it’s America where I can comment and choose as I so please..”

What does your 1st Amendment right have to do with FB and Kelly’s wall, where she can dictate who gets to comment and who she can silence? Does your “right” to comment trump my right to challenge your comment or comment upon your comment? And vice versa? What a strange reaction.

You wrote: “I got straight to the point…how about you???”

Nope. I’m long-winded.

You wrote: ” I don’t have to entertain hatred or sit and have coffee when I can see the obvious..”

Of course you don’t. But I wanted to share my opinion on why I think that is part of the problem going on, currently, in this country. Your political mirror image on the other side of the aisle feels the same way.

You wrote: “Trump is an idiot and in case you missed it tune in on case after case of his harassment of women, humiliating others…Listen up…do what you want but all this BS about being brain washed…go take a seat…You and your too long to bother to read comments are exactly what’s wrong with the racial tones right now..We don’t agree and you get to say what you want but the rest of us dont? GTF outta here and take ur 2 cents with you…”

Thanks for the civil disagreement. Although you are talking right past me.

Where did I tell you to basically “sit down and shut up”? Something you are telling me to do.

You obviously did not read my comment to listen to what I actually said; but merely skimmed over without comprehending in order to reply.

Where in my comment did I praise Trump? He is a sleazy POS, snake-oil salesman, carnival barker, self-centered narcissist, uncharitable, selfish, vile, disgusting, superficial, ignorant, slimebag with no clue about foreign policy; isn’t even a good businessman.

Re-read my earlier comment. Thank you for your time in indulging me, Sandi, and my long-winded replies.

Sandi:
You are asking people to rationalize with an idiotic situation…this idiot is a danger to all of us…that’s it plain and simple…Your responses are to oooo long and just a fyi u don’t have to repeat every comment..get on with your life as I am…

Imo, Trump is bringing out the ugly in both sides. I don’t blame Trump. but he’s triggering the radicalized gene in people on both sides of the political spectrum.

Is it really necessary to feel so threatened and so intolerant- so offended- of other people’s political views that we have to boycott businesses? Or vandalize property?

Yes, some individuals do become so offensive that I will not do business with them; but in most instances, I can separate the actor or musician from his personal politics; be friends with someone whose politics are my polar opposite and not feel guilty for giving her a gift certificate on her birthday and feel guilt as though I were indirectly supporting political causes she donates to and with which I vehemently disagree with.

That’s the kind of thinking that leads liberals to want to rename Jefferson high school or George Washington elementary because they “owned slaves”. Well, then, let’s just throw away the Star Spangled Banner because of the 3rd verse no one sings and because its writer was a bigoted slaveholder. Let’s scrap the U.S. Constitution and start over along with the Declaration of Independence because some of our Founding Fathers were not morally pure on the slave issue.

This video was uploaded a few weeks ago; not sure if any of you have sat through this before (let me know if it was posted here and I missed it):

What an annoying stereotype of an obscenity-laden libtard personified. That police officer had some real patience. Yes, she’s a victim alright. A victim of her own self-righteous vitriolic idiocy.

Here’s a follow up video to that incident which she created:

She sounds like a cartoon caricature of a vitriolic progressive.

She’s attracting nutjob activists from the opposite side of the political aisle to truly harass her- they’re just exercising their 1st Amendment rights like she does, doesn’t she know?

She needs to look in the mirror and see that she is the very definition of vitriol, incivility, intolerance, hatred and political bigotry (assuming she knows what makes all Trump supporters tick and projecting her own perception of who Trump is onto people she doesn’t even know).

What a very twisted and distorted reality she lives in. So much lack of self-awareness in not seeing how she’s an instigator and the one escalating the situation she put herself into.

Do you have friends and family members who are diametrically opposed to your political views? How do you respond and interact? How do you play with others once you learn their politics views?

40 Responses to ““I can do what I want because I’m a 5′ 1″, 105 lb libtard regressive”; and the issue of political bigotry”

  1. 2

    Bill… Deplorable Me

    If it’s just about hating Hillary (itself problematic as it means he isn’t bothering to read anything reputable explaining her candidacy)

    And did she bother to provide some of this mind-changing evidence of Hillary’s competency? I would hazard a guess she did not. The only thing written about Hillary is how Trump is bigoted and hateful which is nothing but liberal propaganda.

    My wife’s twin sister (liberal) unfriended her; not because she wrote anything objectionable on HER page, but because of my wife’s opinions on her OWN page. Her husband unfriended my wife as well. He recently posted that he changed doctors because HIS doctor had a Trump sign in front of his office (little does he know that many doctors are going to be anti-Hillary).

    I have to wonder, why do liberals loathe to see another opinion? And, as many faults as Trump may have, why do they have to make him out to be a TOTAL demon? Of all the despicable things Hillary has actually done in office, how do they ignore that and prefer HER over the ASSUMPTION Trump would be bad?

    If one were to create a balance sheet and list all of Trumps faults, you could list a similar, yet WORSE, failing on Hillary’s side. You could also list a LOT of faults of Hillary’s (all the failures and corruption as Sec of State, for instance) that Trump does not possess. How is this a difficult decision?

    The one and only thing that tips the scale in Hillary’s favor is the blind following liberals have for liberals.

  2. 4

    Nanny G

    Dialogue and understanding is important. Clarity over agreement.

    Wordsmith, this is why I joined Gab.
    https://gab.ai/home
    Now there’s a long waiting list, but I got in on the ground floor.
    And why?
    Exactly what you said, it doesn’t matter whether someone at Gab is a white supremicist, a SJW, a Republican, Libertarian, Democrat, etc., he/she is welcomed and NOT down-voted simply for being there.
    We have honest conversations.
    The Dilbert creator, Scott Adams just joined.
    Milo is there.
    Dave Cernovich is there.
    You can call up the poster who calls himself, ”Democrat,” and post a link, ask a question and get an honest answer along with backing links.
    You can be high-minded or in the gutter, there, however.
    But it is your choice.
    One guy, an anti-Semite, I’m considering ”unfollowing” simply because his ”arguments” about why he hates Jews are not substantive and he’s not open to any reason on them.
    (I can’t believe there still are people who think all the Jews stayed home from the Twin Towers on 9-11-01.)
    Although I am not terribly potty-mouthed anymore (Navy brat) I can cuss like a sailor.
    There is no banning at Gab even for the N-word or other words not allowed here at FA.
    Milo had a cool thing to say recently to effect that all voices should be welcomed: the right, the left, the secular, the religious, the men the women, the young the old, etc.
    He’s right.
    The comment in your essay that struck a nerve with me was the one starting with:

    All you’ve said is reasonable and thoughtful but the very shirt suggests that he is rah rah Trump. If it’s just about hating Hillary (itself problematic as it means he isn’t bothering to read anything reputable explaining her candidacy) , he’d vote for Trump but not broadcast it, knowing the associations that shirt has….

    What a bunch of assumption in those comments!
    And so many of the accusations belong in the Hillary camp, as the O’Keefe videos have shown. (Two heads have rolled after them.)
    But I wanted to close by piggybacking off something that commentor said about ”not broadcast[ing]” one’s support for Trump.
    We had a dinner at a sushi-tasting/sake tasting night recently.
    A couple from SF was in the group of 20 adults.
    The wife said it was odd that there were no Hillary signs in people’s windows there.
    Just a few signs in public lands, parkways and freeway fencing.
    She would be surprised if there were Trump signs.
    But most of us were from Salt Lake City.
    And all of us noted there are lots of LOCAL signs, nearly no Presidential signs!
    This was well before the spray painting of the 20 or 30 Trump cars, too.
    So, why the vitriol online but the cowardice in person?
    We are a VERY divided country right now.

  3. 5

    Ajay42302

    People are over thinking the entire thing.

    This really isn’t your typical Republican v Democrat or Conservative v Liberal election.

    It’s a race against 2 lying and very dishonest democrats (regardless of title). One just happens to be much more of a dangerous egomaniac lying dishonest Democrat than the other.

    And no, I don’t need anyone to tell me which one I mean.

  4. 6

    Ajay42302

    @Bill… Deplorable Me:

    If one were to create a balance sheet and list all of Trumps faults, you could list a similar, yet WORSE, failing on Hillary’s side. You could also list a LOT of faults of Hillary’s (all the failures and corruption as Sec of State, for instance) that Trump does not possess. How is this a difficult decision?

    Now that’s rich, even for Bill. And it’s hard to get stupider than Bill. With Trump, where would one stop? And on another note, putting a degree or rating (a scale of 1 to 10 perhaps) on each fault would be interesting. What would you rate Trumps pride of cheating contractors and workers out of their money for a job well done? Hillary’s coddling of Wall Street? Do they compare? Trump’s DOJ housing discrimination suits over Hillary’s acceptance of a horny husband? Trump’s taxes over the Clinton Foundation? Trump’s wanting to take away hecklers coats before throwing them out in the freezing cold or encouraging people to bypass due process and just “beat the he’ll out of em? His open racism of a judge with Mexican heritage or advocating taking out liberal judges? The list is just endless.

    Naw, no contest there. Trump would lose big time. Come to think of it, people already see the list and he is losing big time.

  5. 9

    Bill… Deplorable Me

    @Ajay42302: Well, then why don’t you provide the balance sheet and prove how wrong I am? Or, are you too stupid? And cowardly?

    In fact, name me just ONE negative of Trump’s that Hillary is not an even worse example of.

  6. 10

    Nanny G

    @Reem: @Reem:@<a

    Oh, the ''performance'' of Trump!
    It was SO bad that Hillary leads in polls like this one:
    Arizona Republic today:
    Hillary 43%
    Trump 38%
    Johnson 7%
    Stein 4%

    There's only ONE little problem with this poll.
    To get Hillary 5% ahead the polling had to sample with this breakdown by Party:
    Democrats: 58%
    Republicans: 24%
    Independents: 19%

    Think that's the actual breakdown for this nation?
    This state?
    ANYWHERE?

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/19/arizona-republic-morrison-cronkite-news-poll/92390100/

    Democrats PLUS 24 to get a 5 point lead!
    It's a Potemkin Poll.

    But, it gives them that phony narrative for a day or two.
    Just before the debate.
    Personally, if I were a none-too-enthusiastic ''supporter'' of Hillary, such rosy polls might make me complacent enough to sit home.
    I bet that's what happens, too.

  7. 12

    Nanny G

    @Richard Wheeler: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship.”
    Tytler.

    That’s the definition of a Hillary supporter.
    Question is, do they constitute a majority yet?

  8. 13

    Richard Wheeler

    @Nanny G: I don’t know what’s worse politically for Trump—his grabbing pu–ies or his unwillingness to accept the will of The American voter—he’s finished–and he knows it–good riddance.

    It’s the fault of the Republican Party that HRC WILL BE PREZ. THE NEXT 4 YEARS. You nominated Trump when you had good men that could have beaten a badly flawed Clinton.–live with it

    Did you notice how Trump cleared out–he knows it’s over.

  9. 14

    Nanny G

    Hillary paid some guy $3.5 MILLION to come up with her ”slogan,”
    Stronger Together.
    These are a few of his other ideas:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvJvPEBVIAA2yYZ.jpg

    OMG!
    How stupid are some of these!?

    No Quit???
    Renewing our basic bargain???
    Next begins with you???
    Get Ahead. Stay Ahead. ???

    Some of them sound like crossing guards:

    Don’t Turn Back.
    Keep Moving.
    Move up.
    It’s Your Turn.

    At over $41,000 each they give an indication of what Hillary will do with your money if she gets the chance:
    Fritter it away.

  10. 15

    Bill- Deplorable Me

    @Richard Wheeler:

    It’s the fault of the Republican Party that HRC WILL BE PREZ. THE NEXT 4 YEARS.

    No, if she is, it is due to people like yourself who ignore facts and perpetuate lies in order to make Trump appear worse than the most corrupt, dishonest and incompetent candidate ever.

  11. 16

    July 4th American

    @Bill- Deplorable Me:

    I might also add, the so called fourth branch of our government, the media. The media is clearly in the tank for mrs Clinton. Only a true idiot would attempt to dispute that. It should be stipulated as such, but there are those who will not or can not see the despicable nature of mrs clinton. Why is the media ignoring the trove of information now available? Because they choose to, Were this a republican, 24/7 coverage…..

  12. 17

    john

    Wordsmith is a filly perfected human being! no need for any improvement
    As for “the media” as I have said before Americans have a wide range of media to choose from. Conservatives just don’t like that not all Americans choose the media they feel should be relied on. They want everyone to watch Fox News, Rush Breitbart and Drudge.
    Well suck it up cons not everybody wants those filters

  13. 18

    Bill- Deplorable Me

    @July 4th American: The media is a major culprit in the state of the union today. The media is not watchdogging the government (as long as liberals are in charge) and the Obama administration has made good use of this blind eye, getting away with Fast and Furious, the IRS, VA and Benghazi scandals, not held to account for a dismal economy, not called out for lies and not criticized for a terrible Iran deal.

    Then, of course, the media has been protecting Hillary, once she became the liberal nominee. The lack of coverage of her obstructions of justice and the laws she has broken is staggering, while covering non stop every misrepresentation of Trump’s words and actions.

    If a Republican had organized violent suppression of a political rally, what do you think the coverage would have been like? What if a Republican… ANY Republican, not even a SPOUSE, had met with the Attorney General prior to the dismissal of an open and shut case against another Republican… how do you suppose the media would react?

    The only question is, how is this corruption corrected without violating the 1st Amendment?

  14. 20

    Richard Wheeler

    @Bill- Deplorable Me: I don’t put words in Trump’s mouth. That’s Billy Bush. Trump outright lied about not knowing ANY of his 9 female accusers.

    LISTEN FOLKS as Rush would say— With Minn 10 HRC HAS THE 270 NEEDED—OVER

    Add Nev.6 Me. 2 N.C. 15 and Fla. 29 She has 322 Trump 216 if he holds off 3rd Party bid in Utah 4
    Final answer

  15. 21

    Bill- Deplorable Me

    @Richard Wheeler: Indeed you DO change his words. You have done it consistently. You have done it with this, you have done it with immigration, you have done it with refugees. As I said, if you would only interpret Trump’s words as he says them instead of how they should be arranged to support your prejudiced bigotry, you would have a different view… if you were open minded.

  16. 22

    Richard Wheeler

    @Bill- Deplorable Me: Fortunately Trump’s words are recorded.
    Do you disagree?
    btw You accused me of “prejudiced bigotry’–That’s a serious accusation Bill–Wanna explain it–in your own words of course.
    Semper Fi

    Do you have an E.C PREDICTION Would you agree the race is over? HRC 322-DT-216.

  17. 23

    Bill… Deplorable Me

    @Richard Wheeler: You are bigoted against any non-liberal and have pre-judged Trump, because he is not liberal. Due to your prejudice, you easily believe that when Trump says that a rich and powerful man can grab the p–sy of any woman they want (would you disagree with that?) you WANT to believe the lying reports saying he has done this.

    I suggest before you reply that I promote grabbing any woman by the p–sy, I recommend you read my remark again. Several times, in fact, if that is what it takes. You appear to have a problem not transposing your own ideas upon the remarks of others.

    Yes, Trump’s words are recorded. Perhaps you should review them.

    No, I don’t have an EC prediction. What’s the point?

  18. 29

    Bill… Deplorable Me

    @john: As a matter of fact, I DID take a half-day vacation today. Surprisingly, I get vacation and benefits WITHOUT the government mandating it. How bout that?

  19. 31

    Deserttrek

    i am dumber for having watched any of it … the girl needs a one way ticket to isis to learn some manners
    liberals can never tell me why they are right, only call people names

  20. 32

    Poppa_T

    I am a Trump supporter. I was castigated here 4 years ago for my support of Ron Paul. Whom I believe truly loved and believed would work to free our nation from the grasp of global tyranny while restoring an originalist tilt to our courts and our bureaucracy. I endorse Trump for these reasons…

    He is not a Lawyer.
    Both of the established parties are against him…as well as all the other power players.
    He has no need to enrich himself through public office.
    I think he really wants America to be first in the world again.
    I also think that he really desires to be remembered as the man that saved America…and as an outsider I believe he has the potential to be that man.

    He is not the Constitutionalist like the Uncle Ron that I wanted BUT he is someone who in my opinion has Americas best interests at heart. I realize that most of you wanted Ted Cruz to be our candidate but Ted is a part of the machine, he would have played by the rules. And in my opinion there is no way that he could have affected meaningful change.

    What we need now in the Presidency is another Andrew Jackson, someone who will challenge the power structure, the bureaucratic machine and shake our overlords very foundations, not another Bush, Nixon or Eisenhower.

    Our Nation is on the teetering point. From here we go either towards global hegemony or back towards National sovereignty. I think Trump sees himself as the next Jackson, the defender of the Nation, and we must support him!

    P.S. Bless the homeowner, screw this bi$ch and vote Trump

  21. 33

    Wordsmith

    editor

    @Poppa_T:

    I am a Trump supporter. I was castigated here 4 years ago for my support of Ron Paul.

    I apologize to you if I belittled or disrespected you in anyway (I don’t remember if I did). I know I made a number of posts at the time ridiculing Ron Paul and his supporters.

    Thanks for still visiting FA, even (or especially) in disagreement.

    Jennifer Sullivan’s political bigotry and intolerance at HuffPo:

    “Why are people unfriending others over politics?”

    If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard (or read) that question these past few months, I’d have enough money to bail out the Trump Taj Mahal.

    The individuals posing this query usually chalk the decision up to a lack of maturity. To an abject refusal to entertain countervailing beliefs. To a matter of mere partisanship.

    And you know what I have to say to those people?

    Enough.

    No, really. Enough.

    I am so tired of people feigning shock and outrage over others not wanting to remain friends with those who are directly or indirectly fueling discrimination.

    Discrimination against gay people. Discrimination against black people. Discrimination against those of a different religion or national origin.

    The entire Trump/Pence ticket’s platform revolves around making other individuals be made to feel less than. It is divisive. It is harmful. And it stands in stark opposition to every ideal this country was founded upon.

    This is unlike any election that has preceded it, as has been made evident by the widespread dissonance, which plagues the Republican base. There has been unprecedented dissent amongst members of the GOP. Conservative newspapers are endorsing a Democrat for the first time in the history of their existence (existences that date back centuries, in some instances).

    Are they reacting in such a manner because they want a Democrat in the White House? Or are they repudiating their own party’s candidate because this transcends politics?

    Common sense would dictate that it’s the latter. After all, this isn’t a matter of differing opinions concerning the tax code. This isn’t about the mechanisms of trade. This isn’t about health care.

    This is about humanity.

    Decency.

    Morality.

    And to reduce it to a matter of politics is to misunderstand (or show a remarkable amount of apathy toward) the very crux of the issue.

    At the end of the day, I cannot and will not be friends with people who think that we should be directing resources toward conversion therapy, for people “suffering” from homosexuality (like Pence). I will not be friends with people who think that it is okay to subject black people to practices that were deemed unconstitutional, because they deprived them of the very civil liberties our Constitution was intended to protect (like Trump). I will not be friends with people who think that those who subscribe to Islam are any less deserving of love, respect, or refuge than their Christian counterparts. I will not be friends with people who think that it is morally sound to indiscriminately murder the children of terrorists. Nor will I be friends with people who speak ill of immigrants, when without immigrants, none of us would even be here.

    And the only way that any of that can be reduced to a matter of political differences is if you unfairly cast the entirety of the Republican party as homophobes, racists, bigots, and xenophobes, and (undeservedly) cast Democrats as the only ones standing in opposition.

    As someone who is artistically challenged, I’m not willing to paint with that broad a brush.

    So the next time you consider asking this question, realize that this has absolutely nothing to do with politics (which, quite frankly, is something you should have been able to glean yourself, based on the agreement of a vast number of Republicans). This has to do with a man who is not only unfit for the presidency, but unfit for this country, as he seems to possess an alarming lack of regard for the principles upon which it was founded. And I will not be made to remain friends with people who see his continued attempts at oppression and discrimination as an “inconvenient consequence” of ensuring that their party remain in power.

    Because ultimately, if discriminatory practices aren’t a deal-breaker for you, if they don’t inspire in you a pain and an anger so heartbreaking that it leaves you aching for your less-privileged neighbor, then I don’t want to know you. And I shouldn’t have to simply because we shared the same floor freshman year of college.

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    Richard Wheeler

    @Wordsmith: Though borrowed I give you props for posting this and I know you agree with it.
    Humanity decency morality Trump is bereft of these qualities.

    “If discriminatory practices are not deal breakers for you, if they don’t inspire in you a pain and anger so heartbreaking———–then I don’t want to know you.”

    EXACTLY Semper Fi Word

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    Poppa_T

    Dear Wordsmith, I enjoy many of FA’s articles but quit posting on them for a while. So please pardon me if I don’t understand or if I have misconstrued your reply. I don’t know how you are utilizing Ms. Sullivan’s article. Are you agreeing with her? Are you implying that Mr. Trump is unfit for the Presidency based on her rhetoric?

    Because if that is so then what you are implying is that Ms. Clinton, a woman with the blood of Benghazi on her hands, a woman who cheated the people of Haiti out of over 90% of charitable contributions donated to her and her husbands foundation, a woman who enabled her husbands abuse of other women to go unpunished, a woman who jeopardized national security by her lackadaisical treatment of secret governmental correspondence, is a better choice than Mr. Trump, who with all his faults still stands heads and shoulders above Hillary Clinton.

    Please tell me that I have misconstrued your reply.

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    Poppa_T

    @Richard Wheeler:

    Dear Mr. Wheeler.
    For you to say that Mr. Trump is somehow lacking in “Humanity decency morality” may be correct but that implies that somehow Ms. Clinton might be a better choice and that is laughable as well as incredulous.

    If Mr. Trump is “bereft” or lacking of those qualities then Ms. Clinton is “empty”, “barren”, “bereft”, “destitute”, “free from”, “lacking”, “sans”, “unprovided with”, without any of these qualities.

    She is a demon who only aspires to her own selfish indulgences. Her attributes are genuine deal breakers. Not the feared political incorrectness and exaggerated discrimination of Mr. Trump

    Trump might be a gamble….Clinton is a sure bet.

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    Poppa_T

    @Richard Wheeler: No Sir, it is not. To use the same argument that was used against me 4 years ago after Ron Paul lost the Primary and I announced that I would be voting the Libertarian ticket “a vote for a third party IS a half a vote for Obama (Clinton)” You were right then… and by that same reasoning I am now.

    Go ahead and vote your conscience, but at least admit that by doing so you are giving Hillary a half a vote.

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    Richard Wheeler

    @Poppa_T: You’re making stuff up–I never denigrated your support of Paul and I’ve never said a good word about Hillary Clinton.
    I’ve followed Trump’s act for 40 years,. Usually he goes home every 4 years. This year he’s hung around longer but he’s still gonna get sent home.
    Semper Fi

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