The Chappaqua B*tch Trials

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During the VP debate the over-caffeinated Tim Kaine went to town on Donald Trump’s taxes:

“How do you know that?” Kaine shot back again, later adding that Trump promised he’d release his returns earlier in the campaign and then mentioning Trump’s comment from the first debate that not paying federal taxes “makes me smart.”

“Is it smart not to be [paying] for our military, for veterans, for teachers?” he continued, later adding, “I guess all of us who do pay for those things, I guess we’re stupid.”

Kaine went so low as to suggest that Trump had a part in causing the 9-11 attacks.

Governor Pence just said — Governor Pence just said that Donald Trump will rebuild the military. No, he won’t. Donald Trump is avoiding paying taxes. The New York Times story — and we need to get this — but the New York Times suggested that he probably didn’t pay taxes for about 18 years starting in 1995. Those years included the years of 9/11.

So get this. On 9/11, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump’s hometown was attacked by the worst terrorist attack in the history of the United States. Young men and women — young men and women signed up to serve in the military to fight terrorism. Hillary Clinton went to Washington to get funds to rebuild her city and protect first responders, but Donald Trump was fighting a very different fight. It was a fight to avoid paying taxes so that he wouldn’t support the fight against terror.

It was pretty unseemly. The feckless Quijano could not be bothered to ask Kaine if he took any tax deductions for his 2001 return.

Quijano then went completely off the rails:

Elaine: The New York Times released part of Mr. Trump’s 1995 tax returns and reported he could have avoided paying several income taxes for years. Mr. Trump said he brilliantly used the laws to pay as little ties as legally possible. Does that seem fair to you?

Fair? Is it fair to use the laws legally and as written? What kind of imbecilic question is that? Is it fair that Donald Trump be able to speak freely? Is it fair that Trump have a right to an attorney? Is it fair that Trump is entitled to due process?

Hillary Clinton also pounded Trump

She criticized Mr. Trump’s reluctance to release his tax returns — as every other major recent presidential candidate has done — and mentioned the article in The New York Times revealing his tax records. “While millions of American families, including mine and yours, were working hard and paying their fair share,” Mrs. Clinton said, “it seems he was contributing nothing to our nation.”

for doing exactly the same thing she did. And so did the NY Times. The biggest tax avoider in the world– Apple- is a big Clinton supporter. They keep at least $180 billion offshore to avoid US taxes. What part did they play in the 9-11 attacks? The top 5- US companies keep $1.4 trillion offshore to avoid US taxes. Why aren’t liberals burning their i-phones and i-pads in protest?

Bloomberg takes a cheap shot at Trump:

While Trump said in the first presidential debate that not paying income taxes “makes me smart,” most voters see doing so as unpatriotic. A CNN/ORC poll released Monday found that 86 percent of those surveyed viewed paying taxes as every American’s “civic duty.”

The Clinton News Network conducted a poll designed to smear Trump:

The vast majority of registered voters view paying taxes as a “civic duty,” including 79% of Donald Trump’s supporters, according to a new poll.

Nearly all registered voters surveyed — 86% — say they see paying taxes as every American’s civic duty, while 12% say that they see taxes as an unnecessary burden to be avoided, according to a CNN/ORC poll released Monday.

The actual question? Here:

Which better describes your view of paying taxes:
It is every American’s civic duty to pay their fair share of taxes.
Taxes are an unnecessary burden and Americans should do everything they can to pay as little as possible.

Talk about biased. “Taxes are an unnecessary burden”? That immediately destroyed the credibility of the question. What should have been asked? A couple of things:

1. Do you pay more taxes than you owe?

2. Do you believe you should pay more taxes than you owe?

3. Are you aware that Hillary Clinton did exactly the same as Donald Trump to pay less in taxes?

That would have been truly enlightening and dare I say far more honest.

Then we come to the galactically idiotic Cher. She continues her disparaging diatribe directed at the Trump offspring:

While speaking at the One Young World Summit in Ottawa, Canada, singer and activist Cher not only slammed both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, she also attacked the GOP presidential candidate’s sons — Donald Trump, Jr., and Eric Trump — for posting an online picture of themselves holding a dead leopard they killed during a hunt in Africa.

Referring to the photograph, Cher declared: “I think that when that kind of message is sent from people who are influential, it’s the exact wrong message”…

She has no problem with killing animals for her frequently scanty leather outfits and has no objection to dismembering a baby the day before it’s born but legally hunting animals is a mortal sin in her aged celebrity sodden eyes.

The problem with all of this is that nothing about any of the above activities is illegal. The morality of it is an individual determination. How many times are we lorded over by liberals demanding that conservatives not impose their morals on others while they feel unrestrained in imposing theirs on us?

I really enjoy this video. It captures liberals perfectly.

 

These sorts of liberal attacks are both dishonest and misguided. If liberals have a problem with the tax laws as they are, then they should seek a legislative remedy for it. Of course, they won’t like the results once their own oxen start getting gored. If Cher doesn’t like hunting for sport, she should take it up with the appropriate governments in Africa and seek change. obama and democrats had two years to change the tax laws in the US. They didn’t do squat about it. One might think liberals would direct their faux umbrage toward those who failed them, but noooo.

Deduction shaming. Hunter shaming. These actions above are the equivalent of fat shaming. Shaming someone for doing nothing illegal is pathetic. Do we single out people on social media who engage in actions with which we disagree and berate and embarrass them incessantly? Do we hound them into seclusion? Is that what we’ve come to? Is that the America you want?

It is the America of hillary clinton. She smears Trump for doing precisely as she did and her idiot sycophants just sit there and drool. Were this a true democracy Hillary would no doubt be calling for a vote to put Donald Trump on trial for these imagined transgressions- Hillary’s version of of those held in Massachusetts in the late 1600’s.

The Chappaqua B*tch Trials.

 

UPDATE

 

I forgot- someone needs to ask hillary if she would have done any different than did Trump were she in his position. It;s a rhetorical question since she already did.

 

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@Bill… Deplorable Me:

I understand your attempt to cleanse Trump of what he said by making a comparison to Bill Clinton (who isn’t running again) and his witch of a wife. But two wrongs don’t make one right. Wrong is wrong, no matter who commits the wrong or the degree of wrong you want to label it. So drop the “but, but, but Hillary” or the “but, but, Bill Clinton” routine.

I’m not voting for Bill or Hillary. But I will not disavow my own standards by trying to excuse the carnival barker known as Donald Trump. He is a disaster. He has always been a disaster only some of you could not accept that fact. Now all of us conservatives are stuck with him.

In my world, morals and manners still matter and I still hold Republicans to a higher standard than the Socialist Democrats.

@Ajay42302: What a moron you are. It’s been libturds like you that have been accusing Bush for 16 years now so to say Slick isn’t fair game when it comes to sexual predation is disgusting to say the least. Trump didn’t get a hummer in the White House and Ivana didn’t say it was a vast Democratic conspiracy now did she. Take a look in the mirror asshole!!

@retire05: He didn’t leave e soldiers on the field of battle to die, lie over their dead bodies about the cause, and then try to hide the truth now did he?? Higher standard, really??

@retire05:

I understand your attempt to cleanse Trump of what he said by making a comparison to Bill Clinton (who isn’t running again) and his witch of a wife.

No, apparently you don’t. I am not justifying one bit what Trump said. However, if what he SAID is offensive, what Bill DID (and Hillary, who IS RUNNING enabled) is infuriating. Now, I have not heard the entire recording (so correct me if I am wrong), but Trump did not say he DID anything but hit on a married woman, which failed. What he said, though, is absolutely true and Bubba utilized the power of the office of the Governor of Arkansas to collect victims. The fact that he is still around to stump for Hillary is a testament to how seriously Hillary considers such treatment of women.

I won’t abandon my standards and not do everything I can to see that such a corrupt globalist (confirmed by the leaked excerpts of the Wall Street speeches she wanted to remain hidden) Soros puppet is never my President. Sadly, all I can do is support Trump because that is all we have. If you have faith that Republicans can do better than they have over the past 6 years, then you should be on the same page; a victory for Hillary could very well destroy the two-party system forevermore.

Choice is between a guy that talks about the power powerful men have over women and a FAMILY which exercises that power.

@Common Sense: Don’t waste your time. I didn’t even bother reading his response to me because I could care less what he says or thinks just like Greg, reem (aka “this one”), and john (aka “john ryan”, “The Duke”). He’s not open to debate as he’s has shown himself to be an antagonistic troll in true “internet bad ass” tradition. Unlike Rich, he trolls here to hurl insults, spread left wing propaganda, and look for fights knowing he doesn’t have to worry about physically backing up his mouth like in the old days of pre-internet.

Some Christian coalition spokesperson came out and said he’d continue to support Trump.
When your plumbing is backed up you don’t want a plumber to show up in top hat and tails.
You want him wearing clothes he’s perfectly willing to get dirty as long as he does the job.
Later, you can put up the nice new curtains.
That’s our situation with regards the White House.
There’s a lot to fix.

Trump has bet on himself to the tune of $100 million of his own money.
He is also willing to do the work for a dollar a year (the legally smallest amount he can.)

What has Hillary promised?
*Higher energy costs.
*Higher taxes.
*Free importation of foreign workers, refugees (who cannot work) and TERRORISTS.
*A liberal Supreme Court.
*A failed foreign policy.
*More failed ObamaCare jury-rigging.

And she admitted being two-faced, telling private groups she has one set of statements for them and another, more palatable set of statements for public consumption.

@Nanny G: Almost all Repubs are dumping Trump who’ll cost them The Senate and The House.
If smart they’ll jettison the loser and run Kasich for the win.

@Richard Wheeler: What a dummy! How could that even happen since voting has already started. Stay in this century Rich. The May Flower sailed a long time ago. What you fail to understand is that Trumps actions are not criminal. HRCs actions are criminal. Intelligent people know the difference.

@Randy: You’re the dummies for nominating Trump. Obviously I was kidding about dumping the Duck at this point. Wasn’t kidding about your coming Congressional loses..

@Richard Wheeler:

If smart they’ll jettison the loser and run Kasich for the win.

Not going to happen. Besides, Kasich would be utterly destroyed by the MSM and the DNC smear machine just like McCain and Romney because he, like them, is not a fighter. Hillary is lucky that this 11 year old tape was released. If hadn’t, all the attention would be on the damning Wikileaks that came out. We now have proof (surprise) that there are those in the MSM who are counted on as surrogates to get their talking points out. She also referred to “low capital individuals”, i.e the poor, as “a bucket of losers”. The latter statement would cost a Republican the election.

Anyway, the Chinese seem to be getting some propaganda mileage out of the election. Our slide that began 7 plus years ago continues.

@another vet: Trump has done this to himself. It shows the kind of self absorbed, classless man that YOU AND I HAVE BELIEVED HIM TO BE FROM THE BEGINNING.

@Richard Wheeler:Not making excuses for him, but the statement he made was from 11 years ago and it was done in private. Have you made similar statements or any other types of statements years ago that were stupid? I’ve made stupid statements in the past. Anyone saying they haven’t is a liar. Had he been accused of rape or sexually assaulting women in the past (like someone else who occupied the WH) it would be much different as actions speak louder than words. I’ve heard several heterosexual men who have made similar or much worse statements. I write them off as blowhards who probably don’t do as well with women as they like to boast about. This is a much bigger story than what it should be because of the need to deflect attention away from Hillary’s Wall Street statements which are a direct reflection of what she thinks about us “commoners” as well as how she would govern.

This is where we are at when it comes to politicians, especially presidents. It’s just like high school and it is based on a popularity contest. Bill’s actions were far worse than Trump’s statements. But Bill was liked and therefore his actions were forgiven and written off as him just being human. Trump is disliked therefore his words are deplorable and shouldn’t be forgiven or overlooked. The overwhelming majority of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction and disagree with Obama’s major policy decisions but his approval is around 50% because people like him. The overwhelming majority of Americans felt the country was headed in the wrong direction under Bush and the majority disagreed with his policy decisions. His approval was much lower because people hated him. Until we start putting people in there who can do the job effectively as opposed to electing people based on being who makes the best prom queen/king we will only continue our downward spiral.

@Richard Wheeler: Doesn’t rise to the level of treason committed by hilldabeast or the predatory nature of Slick!! All I heard was a conversation, do you have proof of anything else??

@Richard Wheeler: Dream on Rich, Senate and House will be owned by the Republicans.

@another vet: Hillary is lucky that this 11 year old tape was released. If hadn’t, all the attention would be on the damning Wikileaks that came out.

Yeah, good point.
Hillary Clinton:

I’m Kind Of Far Removed” From The Struggles Of The Middle ClassBecause The Life I’ve Lived And The Economic, You Know, Fortunes That My Husband And I Now Enjoy.” *“And I am not taking a position on any policy, but I do think there is a growing sense of anxiety and even anger in the country over the feeling that the game is rigged.”

Or,
Hillary Clinton:

“The main reason behind successful immigration should be painfully obvious to even the most dimwitted of observers: Some groups of people are almost always highly successful given only half a chance (Jews*, Hindus/Sikhs and Chinese people, for example), while others (Muslims, blacks** and Roma***, for instance) fare badly almost irrespective of circumstances.”

Trump did not take the gloves off last debate.
He will not hold back this time.
Hillary blamed the victim of rape so as to get a rapist off with a year instead of 30 years.

Her own record, her own words while a government employee are much more damning than anything Trump has said when he was a private citizen.

@another vet: YOU FOLKS CAN MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIS BEHAVIOR ALL YOU WANT,
We’ll see what the female voters have to say. Then you can find some more excuses I”m sure.

It’s what Repubs. excel at doing.-

Nan Trump can take the gloves off and make a bigger fool of himself.
It’s over for him—even his V.P IS NOT STANDING BY HIM.

@Richard Wheeler:

YOU FOLKS CAN MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIS BEHAVIOR ALL YOU WANT,

I’m not making excuses for anyone, just pointing out cold hard facts of a double standard and the state of politics in this country. You are the one who gave free passes to and admired known adulterers such as JFK and Bill. If treating women like pieces of meat really bothered you, you wouldn’t have admired either. If he had a ‘D’ behind his name, you’d be making excuses big time just like you had to do when you voted for Bill twice. We all know you are trying real hard to deflect attention away from Hillary’s demeaning statements about a huge number of Americans in order to support The Party. Either that or you have an almost creepy obsession with Trump perhaps to the point where his bodyguards should probably keep an eye out for you at his rallies.

We’ll see what the female voters have to say. Then you can find some more excuses I”m sure.

His statements didn’t or shouldn’t have surprised anyone- male or female. If females had an issue with him beforehand, they won’t vote for him. What he said is irrelevant as their minds were already made up. If females didn’t have an issue with him beforehand knowing how he is, they will most likely still vote for him. I’m sure there will be some defections, perhaps enough to seal the deal for your beloved but those could be offset by defections of the “basket of losers”.

The country is probably past the point of no return regardless of who wins the election, especially if a known criminal is put in the WH. I will most likely vote for my dogs and then cease to vote thereafter, at least at the federal level. I gave up on the dems a long time ago and the Republicans aren’t very far behind as far as being kicked to the curbside goes.

@another vet: That’s probably your most bizarre and off base post to date AV. Well along with #61 You looking to replace the departed Red Team?

Suggest Repubs start looking at Pence 2020 to beat HRC. He’ll continue to distance himself from toxic Trump..

@Richard Wheeler:

That’s probably your most bizarre and off base post to date AV.

Be more specific than that and I will back up anything I said with statements you have made.

@Richard Wheeler: Well, he “did it to himself” 11 years ago. But, hey, we only go way back into the past when we are bashing Republicans, right? It’s not fair to go back into Hillary’s past and show how she enabled Bill’s sexual abuse and attacked his victims.

@another vet: Remember that, when it is all boiled down, old Rich is still a liberal and, as such, believes if you don’t believe as he does, you are below animal level. So, whatever you say, you are DEFENDING Trump, not simply explaining the facts of life.

Unless you hop on the Hate Trump/Worship Hillary train, condemn his remarks and forgive Bill’s sexual abuse, you are nothing better than what they deny bill is (and Hillary enables).

I have no doubts that the liberal Democrats and the liberal media will work together well to make the most political hay from Trump’s remarks, even though, as shown clearly, neither of those entities care even slightly about abuse of women. But, in the overall scope of things, his remarks, as just remarks, mean very little. It’s not like we have a choice between Trump and Reagan.

@Uncommonly Senseless:

What a moron you are. It’s been libturds like you that have been accusing Bush for 16 years now so to say Slick isn’t fair game when it comes to sexual predation is disgusting to say the least.

Oh my poor delusional friend, do you even read what you respond to or do you just shoot from the hip with the same old trite ad hominem word salad to distract from reality?

Did I say or imply that Bill wasn’t fair game for his wrong doings? No. Actually, the jest of my point, my slow witted friend, was that we weren’t aware of Bill’s escapades and shenanigans until after he was in office. So if you and your parroting Trump suckers want to now point at Bill, you have the perfect opportunity to nip in the bud that of what you say you disapprove of by disavowing Trump. Here’s your opportunity.

Let me reiterate that for fear of your overwhelming stupidity not grasping it. We didn’t know Bill was such a whoremonger when he was running.We learned that after the fact.

We now know prior to the upcoming election that Trump is not only a blatant sexist with repulsive opinions of women but we know he’s a racist, xenophobe, misogynist, doesn’t pay taxes like the rest of us (and considers the rest of us stupid for doing so), thinks it’s good business to cheat contractors and employees out of their wages for a job well done, and the list is just endless.

Again, here’s your chance to not make the same mistake that you’re wailing about of Bill Clinton. Why do you not take it?

@Bill… Deplorable Me:

Remember that, when it is all boiled down, old Rich is still a liberal and, as such, believes if you don’t believe as he does, you are below animal level. So, whatever you say, you are DEFENDING Trump, not simply explaining the facts of life.

I understand as he has yet to address how he could defend Bill and JFK for physically doing what he criticized Trump for talking about. It’s kind of strange having a talk about the birds and the bees with someone who is no longer in Junior High. Never the less, I still like Rich and enjoy debating him unlike the leftist trolls who come here.

My sister and brother-in-law are both post 9/11 Republicans who have been happily married for 20 plus years. They both support Trump. She is a stay at home mom who has taken exception to the fact that Hillary has demeaned stay at home moms. She thinks that what Trump said, while repugnant, is “guy talk” that a lot of men say when their wives aren’t around. My brother-in-law is a devoted family man and father so much so that when I send out off color emails, I don’t include him because I think it would him feel uncomfortable. They both are shaking their heads at this “scandal”. While they both feel that Pence is the by far the best of the four (as I do), the faux outrage over the tapes has only made them stronger supporters of Trump because they believe (and rightly so) that it reeks of hypocrisy and the only reason it came out was to divert attention away from the real issues plaguing the country and Hillary’s own scandals.

Given the animosity that exists in this country today, divorce maybe a better option than staying together in an unworkable marriage.

@another vet: OK
“MY BELOVED”–Show one line of support I’ve ever written for HRC–Like FA’ERS Reto5 and David I do not support HRC or DT.

Trump has had a “D” behind him–didn’t like him any better then.

As mentioned Trump has 75% of the White male along with about 20% of minority male vote–net 57% male vote yet trails slightly in the polls. He needs 43% of the female vote–he’ll get less than 10% African American females and well under 15% Latina females–he needs 60% White female vote–these statements will lose him votes he needs to win—how many only determines the size of his coming loss.
Tell me a little about your dogs I’ll consider writing em in.

btw the path to an E.C victory still goes through Pa. HRC IS +7 there.

@Ajay42302:

No. Actually, the jest of my point, my slow witted friend, was that we weren’t aware of Bill’s escapades and shenanigans until after he was in office.

Really?!? That’s your excuse? You never heard of Lewinsky, which was revealed due to numerous other revelations about sexual abuse by Bill? Or, are you making a weak attempt to rewrite history, a full time job liberals stay employed at?

Let me reiterate that for fear of your overwhelming stupidity not grasping it. We didn’t know Bill was such a whoremonger when he was running.We learned that after the fact.

It was known, but not widely known, thanks to the compliant media. However, let’s look past that and how he has been treated by liberals and the media (oops… redundancy). Do any liberals shun his support, for fear of being associated with a serial sex offender? Does Hillary hesitate to employ sleazy Bill to state her case, always running the risk of he association between his abuse and her enabling? Did Obama denounce Bill’s record of sex abuse?

Well, no. Why? Because they don’t care about how women are treated. All Trump’s 11 year old remarks (words, not actions) mean to liberals is a political windfall. Of course, the media is not and never has reported on Bill and Hillary’s history of misogynistic, antisemitic and racist rants:

http://aman.members.sonic.net/clintons.html

Fake “outrage” over Trump’s words: how about HRC’s “sand niggers”?

I apologize in advance for the language, but the hypocrisy is overwhelming.

@another vet: Don’t forget Teddy “Chappaquiddick” Kennedy, a liberal icon until the day he died.

@Bill… Deplorable Me: Damn Deplorable—-Talk about a full time job. You’ve got one bashing Libs.
BTW—my support in this race was for Jim Webb then John Kasich —hardly liberal icons.
I will vote for Humane Party candidate Clifton Roberts unless A.V. makes a better case for his dogs.

A.V. I see nothing wrong with people voting for someone that they actually like. I personally dislike D.T. AND HRC—Believe many voters, including you, feel the same way

Trump caught on mic, well according to the producer of the Apprentice there is more of this stuff available. Trump as a showman TV celebrity had no self censorship, who didn’t know this was coming. The liberal holier than thou drum banging salvation Army band style hypocrites, Ya but look what they did isn’t going to work. Trump stepping down, moving aside whatever isnt going to win the White House. I am not predicting the Death Knoll of the Trump movement just its mortal wounding. I still vote against Hillary,for what ever that is worth.

@Richard Wheeler:

Show one line of support I’ve ever written for HRC

You parrot her talking points on every thread you visit. Just look at all of your comments here as an example. You agreed with and supported her “deplorable” comments and agree with her on just about every issue. In addition, you have yet to criticize any of her supporters who post here. I notice you have yet to criticize her for anything that came out of Wikileaks..

Like FA’ERS Reto5 and David I do not support HRC or DT.

And unlike both of them, you have yet to criticize Hillary and unlike you, they don’t come here parroting her talking points. Shall we start with Retire? She bashed Bill for his actions and Trump for his words. In other words, she is consistent with her principles and criticisms. You bashed Trump for his words and excused Bill for his actions. Therefore, you are not consistent with your principles and criticisms like she is. David, being a professional military person, has slammed Trump but he has also slammed Obama and Hillary for the damage they have done to our GWOT efforts. He has slammed Hillary for the way she broke the law and jeopardized our national security with her email server. You have slammed Trump but support or least ignore, what Obama and Hillary have done. He slammed Trump for his McCain comments but also slammed Kerry for the way slandered the VN Vets. You slammed Trump but give a pass to Kerry. David is consistent in his principles and criticisms, you are not.

Part of our disagreement on this “sex tape” issue probably has to do with our backgrounds. Having grown up and lived in a working class neighborhood all my life, I’ve heard comments like Trump’s all my life. Comments like those are quite common amongst us working class folk and is referred to as “guy talk”. Growing up in a working class neighborhood, kids were always trying to get their hands on Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler magazines. Ditto for Soldiers in Army barracks. As such, I was neither “shocked” nor surprised at what was said, especially because it was said in private. It was “guy talk”. Perhaps you grew up in a more upscale, elitist, Puritan type of environment and didn’t experience the same type of “guy talk” or never tried getting your hands on the aforementioned magazines. I suppose I can kind of see why folks like you and Hillary kind of look down on us common folk and call us deplorable and a bucket of losers. Like she said in one of her Wall Street speeches, she can’t relate to a lot of us. I’m guessing you can’t either and surely you heard the same type of talk in the Marine barracks you stayed in. I guess those Marines were deplorable and unfit too.

Were Trump’s comments lewd? Yes. Do I approve of them? No. Was I surprised or shocked, does it change my mind about him, or will it impact the future of the country should he get elected? No.

@another vet:

Having grown up and lived in a working class neighborhood all my life, I’ve heard comments like Trump’s all my life. Comments like those are quite common amongst us working class folk and is referred to as “guy talk”. Growing up in a working class neighborhood, kids were always trying to get their hands on Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler magazines. Ditto for Soldiers in Army barracks. As such, I was neither “shocked” nor surprised at what was said, especially because it was said in private. It was “guy talk”. Perhaps you grew up in a more upscale, elitist, Puritan type of environment and didn’t experience the same type of “guy talk” or never tried getting your hands on the aforementioned magazines.

Bull!

You seem to think that you have the authority to speak for all those “working class” men. You don’t. Men I know, and grew up with, all “working class”, had daddies who taught them respect for their mothers, and women in general, and mothers who taught them that they would be judged by what they did, and said, in private as well as in public. And trying to equate sneaking a peek at a Playboy or Hustler when a teenager with Trump’s actual admission of sexual harassment is pathetic. If you have a son, or sons, I would hope you raised them with higher standards than has been exhibited by Mr. Trump.

Comparing Trump to the Democrats simply says that we Republicans have become no better than the Democrats who long ago forfeited any moral values. So you tell me; how are we any different now that we accept a self-promoting carnival barker who is just as vile, just as crass, as the Democrats we have complained about for years when people like you defend the indefensible just because a man has an (R) behind his name on the ballot?

I firmly believe both Bill and HIllary Clinton should be wearing orange jumpsuits. But I will not support someone who is equally as crass and disrespecting. And I am totally disgusted by those who claim to be Republicans that can find some lame excuse for Trump simply because of the “but, but, but Hillary” excuse.

I have read the whinings of others here about how the media has been against Republicans for the last 7 years. I am constantly amazed at conservatives who seem to be totally void of media bias that has existed in the press since the days of the Walter Journalism Tactic (Walter Duranty, Walter Lippmann and Walter Cronkite).

You can excuse Trump until the cows come home. All you are showing is that Republicans have forfeited their own moral values to compete with the crassness of Democrats. So in the end, it really no longer matters what Party is in control, when both are now one and the same, does it?

I warned that Trump would be a disaster. It saddens me that I have been proven right.

@another vet:

You agreed with and supported her “deplorable” comments and agree with her on just about every issue.

Well, to be fair, with Hillary’s rapidly changing spectrum of positions, we have probably ALL agreed with some of them at one time or another.

No, Richard probably really doesn’t like Hillary, but he wants Hillary to be President because he is a liberal and just having a liberal in office is all that matters. It doesn’t matter if she opposed gay marriage, if she enabled Bill’s sexual assaults, if she attacked Bill’s victims, if she defended a child rapist she KNEW was guilty, if she violated regulations she signed, if she intentionally mishandled classified information, if she ignored her duties and got a consulate sacked, Americans killed, if she made derogatory remarks about women, Jews, blacks and mentally impaired people, if she lied about why the consulate was sacked, if she peddled US influence and strategic assets for her own enrichment, if she lied, under oath, before Congress… none of that matters. She’s a liberal.

Though folks like Rich are far too “principled” to vote for Trump, they really don’t care about all those negatives (and more)… they support liberalism. They support liberalism even though it enables ALL of what is listed above, even uses it for political gain.

Folks like Rich won’t vote for Hillary… they’ll vote for the cow lawyer, knowing full well that that is as good as a vote for Hillary. Then, Hillary can get elected, they get their liberalism but they can claim THEY didn’t have anything to do with it; they supported Attorney for the non-human.

If they liked Obama, they can’t say they don’t like Hillary. They are cut from the same cloth… liberalism. Lying, corruption and anti-Americanism is their foundation.

No, some of those “principled” liberals won’t (or say they won’t) vote for Hillary… but they hope and pray she wins.

Back to the original topic of Donald not paying taxes, someone should point out that in their 2015 tax return Bill and Hillary claimed $1,042,000 in charitable contributions, an income tax deduction. Of that 96% went to the Clinton Family Foundation. $42,000 went to the Desert Classic Charities. This is a charitable PGA golf event. In 2015 the Desert Classic Charities gave $700,000 to guess who? The Clinton Foundation. In 2015 the Desert Classic Charities gave out $1.6 million in grants. Can’t anyone see this stinks?! The money goes round and round but it always comes back to the Clintons. The woman has sold her soul to the Devil for money IMO. And this is the person who is qualified to run the most powerful nation on earth?

@retire05:

You seem to think that you have the authority to speak for all those “working class” men. You don’t. Men I know, and grew up with, all “working class”, had daddies who taught them respect for their mothers, and women in general, and mothers who taught them that they would be judged by what they did, and said, in private as well as in public.

I don’t have the authority to speak for all those working class men and neither do you. I related specifically to the working class neighborhood I grew up in and live in. All of us had “daddies” who taught them respect for their mothers and women in general, mine included. That does not mean everyone listened to their parents by not “talking dirty” when their parents weren’t around. If the boys in your neighborhood never did what I described, then that is great. They were far better and perfect people than we were. My neighborhood was different which is why I wasn’t the least bit shocked by what was said. Keep in mind, men do talk differently in front of women as opposed to when they are amongst themselves. For example, I by and large refrain from swearing in front of women. When I’m around male friends, it’s a whole other story. And yes, I still open the door for women unlike most men where I live. You obviously grew up in a more socially conservative neighborhood. And don’t forget, there is probably close to a twenty year age difference between the two of us. Times have changed, unfortunately not for the better in many ways.

So you tell me; how are we any different now that we accept a self-promoting carnival barker who is just as vile, just as crass, as the Democrats we have complained about for years when people like you defend the indefensible just because a man has an (R) behind his name on the ballot?

The people who voted in the Republican primaries put Trump at the head of the ticket. That’s the way the system works. Perhaps we should go back to the early days of our country and let the party bosses decide who the party’s candidate should be? I did not vote for him and have said more than once that I will vote for my dogs. As far as defending him goes, you need to go back and reread the last paragraph of my last post where I specifically stated that I don’t approve of his comments. I really can’t make it any clearer than that. I also stated that I wasn’t shocked or surprised by them based on my experiences. I also stated here in an earlier post that when I hear people talk like that, I write them off as blowhards. Again, I can’t be any clearer than that.

So in the end, it really no longer matters what Party is in control, when both are now one and the same, does it?

They are indeed one and the same. That is why they are referred to as Republicrats and Democans. If Trump loses, expect an entirely different looking Republican Party because it is fractured right now and may not come back together because the establishment will be to blame, first for creating a situation allowing him to get the nomination that being their cowering to Obama and second for endorsing Hillary after he won the nomination. My guess is people will be leaving the GOP.

I warned that Trump would be a disaster. It saddens me that I have been proven right.

I agree that any other of the 16 candidates would have wrapped this up after this Friday’s Wikileaks. Supposedly there are more “sex tapes” coming out so be prepared. Like it or not, our two main choices are a lewd clown or a criminal. My dogs would be more than happy to get your vote. Put Quincy in for POTUS and Trixie for VP.

@Bill… Deplorable Me:

If they liked Obama, they can’t say they don’t like Hillary.

She is running for his third term that way the Cloward-Piven strategy can continue to be implemented to take us down the road to that wonderful Marxist/Socialist utopia just like they have in places like Cuba, Argentina, and Greece. CoKaine now claims that they have no way of knowing if Hillary’s open borders comment was real. Liar.

@another vet:

I don’t have the authority to speak for all those working class men and neither do you.

And I said I did where?

I related specifically to the working class neighborhood I grew up in and live in. All of us had “daddies” who taught them respect for their mothers and women in general, mine included. That does not mean everyone listened to their parents by not “talking dirty” when their parents weren’t around.

But we’re not talking about a “boy”, are we? We are talking about a grown man, late 50’s, early 60’s, that talked like gutter trash. Someone who should have known better for over forty years.

Keep in mind, men do talk differently in front of women as opposed to when they are amongst themselves

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Why? Does it make them feel like Studley Powers? Are you saying that manners go out the window for men when women are not around to keep them in check?
So when women are looking you open the door for them but when they’re not, you act like a bar room big mouth? Isn’t that a bit hypocritical?

@retire05: Donald “I’m a gentleman” Trump did nothing to improve on his 40% approval among women—he needs 43% to make this race close.
He seems to have disowned Pence—-

@Richard Wheeler:

Trump is not now, and has never been, what I would consider a “gentleman.” I have watched as he self-promoted because he is a media wh0re, and always has been. But make no mistake; Hillary is a shrew and our nation will suffer under her presidency.

We have no good choices in this election and those of us who warned that Trump would be a disaster as a candidate have seen our predictions come true. I can only think that our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves thinking “We gave our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor for this crap?”

And I said I did where?

Perhaps in the same place where you accused me of the same.

But we’re not talking about a “boy”, are we? We are talking about a grown man, late 50’s, early 60’s, that talked like gutter trash. Someone who should have known better for over years.

So no one his age talks gutter trash in private? Having a libertarian bent, I believe what people say and do in private is their own business as long as it long it doesn’t harm someone else. I served this country for 30 years and spent time in hellholes getting shot at to defend peoples’ rights in this country including the right to say whatever they want (First Amendment?) even if I don’t agree with it as in Trump’s case, the case of the OWS crowd, the BLM crowd, or in the case of all of these idiot football players who kneel when the National Anthem is played. If Trump or anyone else wants to talk gutter trash, that is their right. They are the ones who have to live with the consequences. In his case if it costs him the presidency, oh well it sucks to be him.

Why? Does it make them feel like Studley Powers? Are you saying that manners go out the window for men when women are not around to keep them in check?

And would you prefer that men talk to and treat women the same way they talk to and treat men?

So when women are looking you open the door for them but when they’re not, you act like a bar room big mouth? Isn’t that a bit hypocritical?

I thought it is showing respect. Silly me. Try to respect women and you get criticized for it. Perhaps I should just treat them like trash since I’ll get blamed for it anyway. I guess while in private men shouldn’t swear, drink, tell jokes, admire females, listen to the likes of George Carlin, watch movies that contain any type of swearing, nudity, or violence, we should go to bed at 10 and wake up at 7, and go to church seven days a week? Wow. I guess we “conservatives” shouldn’t criticize the left for wanting to control peoples’ lives when we want to do the same. Perhaps there isn’t much of a difference between the two after all.

Steve Schmidt, republican political strategist:

“There is nobody who holds any position of responsibility who in private conversations views Donald Trump as equipped mentally, morally and intellectually to be the president of the United States. But scores of Republican leaders have failed a fundamental test of moral courage and political leadership in not speaking truth to the American people about what is so obvious.”

@another vet: Trump was saying he HAD groped women and got away with it—no harm no foul. Sick
Tonight he denies it—was he lying then or lying now?
He’s finished–good riddance. Repubs are bailing—can you blame them? This is bigger than The Presidency–he’s gonna cost The Party The Senate and House.

@Greg:

Steve Schmidt, ( a failed) republican political strategist:

Only bob shrum has a higher failure rate for the democrats….

No one listens to Schmidt…..

The leftists think he has something to say because he is a RINO……

@Richard Wheeler:

Trump was saying he HAD groped women and got away with it—no harm no foul. Sick

Just like he said all Mexicans were rapists, veterans with PTSD are weak and we should ban all Muslims? As usual, perhaps you should to back and hear the actual words.

He said powerful men CAN do those things, which is an absolute fact. Biden has shown it, Edwards showed it, every Kennedy has shown it and Bill Clinton most certainly proved it.

You should reevaluate your support for Trump because everything you claim you hate Trump for is based on lies the media has spun about Trump’s statements or your own predisposition to hear only what you want to hear.

@Richard Wheeler:

Repubs are bailing

The only poll I saw said the overwhelming majority of Republican VOTERS want him to remain in the race.

This is bigger than The Presidency–he’s gonna cost The Party The Senate and House.

The Republican Party establishment created a situation allowing Trump to win the nomination because they failed to do what they were elected to do. Had they done their job and stood up to Obama someone else would be running and would be beating Hillary by a large margin. Whatever costs come to the Party is on them.

Republicans live in a different world than Democrats. They actually have to worry about media perceptions because the media is always on the attack against Republicans. So, when Trump’s statements came out, Republicans have to worry about the next campaign add to be used against them.

No so Democrats. Ted Kennedy can be guilty of leaving his girlfriend to drown in his car, but no Democrats worry about being on stage with him. Bill Clinton is impeached for perjury, caught in several affairs and for sexual abuse, but he is a highly sought-after endorsement and supporter. Obama has possibly the most highly exposed and critical lies of any President ever (with the possible exception of Clinton) and he is regarded the gold standard of liberal endorsement. Elizabeth Warren lied about ancestry to gain financial advantage, but she is the next best hope of the Democrat party and is begged to campaign for Hillary.

Democrats simply don’t care about scandals… except for someone else’s scandals. It’s only a matter of time before John Edwards is back, if he wants to be. The left is totally devoid of morals and principles and to hear any of those degenerates lecture anyone on morality is absolutely disgusting.

100% of Republicans will vote for Trump; they just can’t say so publicly because of the bias of the liberal media.

@Bill… Deplorable Me: “100% of Repubs will vote for Trump” You’re kidding Repubs are bailing to save their jobs–DT DOWN 11% NATIONALLY and 13% in must win PA.
Senate and House are gone—Effort underway to save Party

@Richard Wheeler: Rich, Senate and House will remain Republican, your not serious about that are you??

@Bill… Deplorable Me: Devoid of morals and principles would be those, like yourself, who still support Trump.

@Richard Wheeler: There is a far higher moral duty to do what is necessary to keep the lying criminal Hillary out of the White House. Voting for the Attorney for the Cows will not cut it. Hillary is corrupt, socialists, globalistic and a tool for George Soros.

Again, to a point you have not answered, you objections to Trump are obviously due to your belief in the corrupt media and their rendition of Trump. How can you condemn people who have not purposely maintained such ignorance? That doesn’t have anything to do with morality.

While I have a sense of what is and isn’t moral, I don’t lecture others on morality. I have a very strong sense YOU should heed that same policy.

@Bill… Deplorable Me: HRC and DT both lack a moral center–obviously. I’ve followed both these people DT FOR 45 YEARS HRC SINCE 1992.The real Trump that I know and dislike was clearly on display in that video.
BTW Clifton Roberts is not an attorney and he does possess a MORAL center.Make sure to take a long hot shower after you vote on Nov. 8. My conscience will be clear.
BTW For all intents and purposes Trump is now running as an Indie–Leaders are bailing–he doesn’t care–Do you consider yourself a Republican?

@Richard Wheeler: Probably, they are both results oriented. The difference is the results sought.

Trump has built a business empire. He has accumulated wealth by creating and expanding businesses and creating jobs. While it is arguable which is the goal and which is the bi-product, there is NO argument that both happen.

Meanwhile, Hillary (and Bill) have accumulated wealth, not by creating businesses and jobs but by soliciting donations… and quid pro quo. Aside from aides and servants, they create no jobs. Even the very purpose of their accumulation of wealth is a farce, with very little of their accumulated wealth going towards what the Foundation should be dealing with. See the Haitians today.

Maybe some of Trump’s people stepped on a nail or fell off a ladder. Hillary has gotten her people killed, then lied to the relatives about the results. In addition, quite an alarming number of people in the Clinton’s orbit turn up dead… mysteriously.

Where is Trump’s ISIS?

Moral center? Trump has played around on his wives. He has expressed what he feels his power gives him the liberty to do, though not that he HAS done it. Pretty low, huh? However, look around you, Richard. Look at the people in public life you enjoy enjoying. What is there moral level compared to Trump’s?

Then there’s the Clinton’s. Hillary’s husband is a serial sex offender and all she cares about is how it affects her political career, which is what fuels her accumulation of wealth. By most indications, Hillary’s moral compass is as magnetized and errant as Bill’s. But, Hillary can’t just hope to avoid the accusations; she finds it necessary to viciously attack the victims, to try to create false credibility for Bill (and her). Then it happens again. And again. That’s morality for you, particularly for a woman that claims that all sexual assault victims DESERVE to be believed.

Perhaps your animal lawyer is a fine, moral man. But he ain’t going to stand in the way of Hillary taking office, with all HER morality if. Trump has to stop her. If morality is one of your concerns you had best start deciding how important morality actually is, because if Hillary wins, even FALSE morality is no longer a constraint to Hillary and, thus, to Bill. We already realize that liberals don’t care about morals, racism, misogyny or homophobia. Proof of this is how happily Alec Baldwin was received by the audience of Saturday Night Live. Remember Alec and his public, profane escapades? He served his sentence… to sit in the corner for a couple of years. Now all is forgiven and he can wash and repeat. Liberals don’t care.

So, choose another front to fight on because “morality” ain’t it. If morality was important to the vast majority of people, Hollywood would look quite a bit different. So would Washington, since the last “moral” President was vilified. Your “morality” is a bit too selective, since it only applies to Republicans that get too threatening to the liberal ideal. I’ve said this before; all liberals care about is what is useful politically.

@Bill… Deplorable Me: What animal lawyer?