I could have sworn I heard you say that preventing genocide wasn’t enough for US military presence.
Today Barack Obama held a joint press conference with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. At one point he said this:
“WITH RESPECT TO LIBYA, I HAVE SAID ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS THAT WE DID THE RIGHT THING IN PREVENTING WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A MASSACRE IN LIBYA.”
Flashback to obama v.2007:
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.
“Well, look, if that’s the criteria by which we are making decisions on the deployment of U.S. forces, then by that argument you would have 300,000 troops in the Congo right now — where millions have been slaughtered as a consequence of ethnic strife — which we haven’t done,” Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press.
“We would be deploying unilaterally and occupying the Sudan, which we haven’t done. Those of us who care about Darfur don’t think it would be a good idea,” he said.
Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, said it’s likely there would be increased bloodshed if U.S. forces left Iraq.
And catch this:
“Nobody is proposing we leave precipitously.”
Yet that’s exactly what he did.
So let’s see. It wasn’t enough for Senator obama to use military action to prevent genocide but it was enough for President obama.
And without any support from Congress.
And hey, stopping genocide in Iraq was part of the reason Bush took Saddam out.
Bonus
Gaddafi and Obama: One of them was fighting Islamist terrorists in Libya
Libyan dictator Moammar Gaddafi warned the West about the Islamic extremists in the months before his murder by a mob. In a series of phone calls, Gaddafi told Britain’s ex-prime minister, Tony Blair, that the Libyan unrest was because of “[a] campaign of colonization; we have to defy the colonization.”
And he predicted that after North Africa was overtaken, the radical Islamists would go after Europe. Gaddafi’s words are now reality.
This warning is contained in the transcripts of calls between Blair and Gaddafi in February 2011. Gaddafi died a horrible death in October of that year.
Do read the whole thing
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Except for liberals being foolish.
Our allies France and Britain were the ones who did the heavy lifting in Libya
France and Britain asked for our help, maybe you have forgotten that?
@john:
At obama’s urging. He never got approval from Congress, as I said. That wretched smell is obama hypocrisy.
It wa the Europeans that had all the oil and gas concessions, they wanted the fighting over a quick as possible to avoid damage to their infrastructure.
We didn’t have any skin in that game we came in because they asked us
Dr J you are obsessed with Obama.
Get help.
Here’s more on Obama’s brilliant “judgement”, . . . .
$400 million sent to Iran as U.S. prisoners released.
. . . . and Obama questions Trump’s sanity? ? ? ?
@john:
Sorry, John. The miserable hypocrite gives me so much to write about.
@james raider:
It’s called ransom.
@james raider: All to prevent global warming, money for Nukes. we all exhale C02, Save he planet kill as many exhalers as possible.
Gaddafi wasn’t really much of a problem after Ronnie tried to blow his ass off the planet in 1986.
I well remember Gaddhaffi warning the West that, without him fighting off the Islamists invading Libya, a refugee crisis would overwhelm the European nations.
And that’s what’s happening.
When he needed our help we (Obama/Hillary) sided with the enemy.
Even armed them.
@Nanny G: #9
It’s rather hard not to call Clinton “treasonous” for an endless list of reasons.
Obama’s pride in his “Libya” coup in absolutely insane. He singlehandedly created 60 million refugees. This alone puts him into historical records.
Israeli military said they liked the Iran deal
It was the Euros France and UK that put boots on the ground and provided the weapons not the US
@john: What Israeli Military? You lie more than Clinton!
@Randy: @Randy: @Randy: @Randy:
Randy did you even bother to check to see what the Israeli military says about Iran ? Or is that just something you “know”???
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/iran-nuclear-deal-israel/472767/
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2015/0817/Is-Iran-deal-a-threat-to-Israel-New-signs-military-is-at-odds-with-Netanyahu
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/netanyahu-idf-are-split-the-iran-nuclear-deal-15368
Bill aren’t you ashamed to call someone else a liar and then have multiple citations thrown back at you ?????
You really ought try try to widen your sources of information. What souces of info do you trust ?
@Nanny G:
You wanted us to help Him ???
When he was bombing his own people ????
I suppose that you also want us to help the Russians held Assad in Syria
@john: Reading one of your sources it seems a liberal, conservative argument not a military, elected argument. As usual the liberals are ill informed and conservatives are correct.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36020717
The comment section is interesting
But the Iran deal and the feelings of the Isrealis isn’t the topic here.
Do you think it was a good thing to remove Gaddafi from power? Seeing the result so now you can make an informed decision is that country better off?
Which decisions of This president have had a great result, I see him as a failure, all 8 years.
@kitt:
Kitt
Regardless of what the USA did Gadaffi was on his way out.
The euros were the ones pushing hardest to get that civil war over as soon as possible. We provided very little assistance, limited air bombimgs it was the French and UK that did the heavy work as it was THEIR oil infrastructure that was in danger during a prolonged civil war.
It was Euro arms that went to the rebels not US It was Euro boots on the ground , not US
Do you think that Gaddafi should have been allowed free rein to bomb his own people ?
Iran was part of the topic because of the mention of 400 million which was about 1/3 of what the USA had seized from Iran. That repayment was part of the Iran nuke deal that WAS approved by the Israeli military.
and if you newbies botherds to check FA was all for helping NATO fight wITH the rebels against Gaddafi.
Any posters here want to go back and point out their foresight in posts back in 2011???????????
Saying that we should NOT be supporting our NATO allies against Gadaffi
@john: As much as Sadam did to the Kurds, but we still dont back the Kurds do we?
Who is in charge what, where, when was the future plan? Or is this the plan that Obama had, to allow the terrorists to take over, Europe to be over-run.
The POTUS is great at destroying things its building things he really sucks at.
Economy, healthcare, foriegn policy, military, immigration everything he puts his slimey hand to.
The State Department initially approved a weapons shipment from a California company to Libyans seeking to oust Moammar Gadhafi in 2011 even though a United Nations arms ban was in place, according to memos recovered from the burned-out compound in Benghazi.
The documents, obtained by The Washington Times, show U.S. diplomats at the Benghazi compound were keeping track of several potential U.S.-sanctioned shipments to allies, one or more of which were destined for the Transitional National Council, the Libyan movement that was seeking to oust Gadhafi and form a new government.
US arms to terrorists.
@kitt:
Kitt when Saddam used gas on the Kurds he was supported by the USA in his war with Iran
We sold him the designs for poison gas we allowed western companies to build the factories to build the weapons and we then allowed western countries to sell him the precursor chemicals
That was all done when Reagan was POTUS
King Obama meets King Herod the devil applauds
@john: And they knew he would use them on Kurds, liar, link to that assumption or did they think the ones he would use them on was Iran try to think, hint, its the pictures in your head that hurt.
@kitt:
Kitt a simple google search of “why did Saddam gas the Kurds” might educate you https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=why+did+saddam+gas+the+Kurds
or you might try the wiki article on the chemical attacks on Halabja
“they” you mean Reagan ??? well we do know that American military officers were giving intell to Saddam on Iranian military Halajba is only 10 miles from Iranian border and was under a heavy and successful attack by the Iranians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Zafar_7
The Kurds were on the Iranians side. The USA had little problem with the gassing of Iranians.
Waiting on you Kitt…………..
@john: Not exactly sitting around waiting I sorta have a life.
The Kurds have been treated very poorly by the world including the USA since their country was carved up after WW1, they deserve their own country back. The good and dead Suddam used Mustard gas. It was attempted Genocide of the Kurds, who foolishly believed they would get some land if they helped Iran defeat the evil bastard.
The USA had a little problem with Iran at that time we had not forgot about hostages ect…But I remember the gassing and most Americans were horrified that he would use such weapons of mass destruction that the Media claims he did not have, Bush lied people died blah blah blah.
What about this twisted sick situation makes the toppling of other ME governments without a whats next plan such as Gaddafi, and shipping arms to terrorists by Hillary have to do with Libya were they gassing people?
Was Gaddafi going to genocide all of Obamas beloved ISIS fighters?
The kurds treated worst then one can ever imagine just the way stalin treated the Ukraine and the way Hitler treated the jews
@kitt: Kitt
The media as well as in weapons inspectors could find no evidence of useable chen weapons after 2000
Of course the media reported heavily during the Iraq Iran war that our guy Saddam was using chen weapons
Remember it was POTUS Reagan that supported Saddam during that war
Halal a was only 10 miles from the Iranian border
Conservatives like Reagan had a very muted response to the gas songs that were done by our boy Saddam
Got a life ?? Great!
@john: Just Sorta, so back down the rabbit hole, what genocide was prevented by opening up Libya to the terrorists? What genocide was prevented by arming ISIS aka the Syrian rebels? Or are we ignoring the Kurdish and Christian genocide that is happening before our eyes? I cant believe any leader of a great nation is completely innocent nor that they are fully informed of what all goes on. But a Hashtag campaign when 300 young girls are kidnapped to be raped and worse, is about as pathetic as a leader can get.
We know what Reagans motives were. Obama unless you think he is a traitor, we dont know. Clintons will be $$$.
@kitt:
Well the original intervention in Libya was a no fly zone to prevent Gaddafi from bombing civilians.
Our NATO partners were the ones pressing us for more help. Besides using more air power than us they also provided the arms AND boots on the ground.
I guess you are sort of with tRump on not fully supporting our NATO allies.
ISIS received very little from the USA. MOST came from the Saudis and the Gulf sheiks, however some also came from the Israelis.
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2015/12/israel-supports-isis.html
ISIS received support because it was the main Sunni bulwark against Shia Iran
http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syrian-rebels-keeping-druze-safe-in-exchange-for-israeli-aid/
As far as the Christians
They were the big losers in Iraq
They were in much better shape under secular Saddam than under the religious extremists now in control of the various parts of Iraq
The Christian population of Iraq has fallen by 60% with many having fled to Syria!?! For protection by the secular Assad from the religious extremists including but not limited to ISIS that control Iraq The current hatred of Christians by Muslims is a direct result of the invasion and occupation of 2 Muslim countries
When I lived in Afghanistan
6 months in 76-77 and SE Asia 69-70 in Muslim areas there was no hatred
I was always treated as an honored guest
That Iraq sure is a mess’opotamia !!!
Not true.
The Taliban was becoming more and more Sharia strict well before we ever entered Afghanistan.
Kite flying was made illegal.
Western men’s haircuts were, too.
Listening to music.
Mixed sex dancing or even gathering.
Chess playing was criminalized (even though Persians take credit for it.)
ALL other religions were criminalized.
Buddhas were destroyed.
The so-called jizya (protection money paid by non-Muslims for a peaceful life under Sharia) was quadrupled.
Girls and women were kidnapped from Christian families and raped, genitally mutilated then forcibly married and converted to Islam while being shut off from the world in the locked inner rooms of Taliban houses.
THEN when we came in it was to get al Qaeda.
IF the Taliban wanted ”peace” they could have handed the al Qaeda sect over and had peace.
The Taliban sided with al Qaeda and got war.
@john: Interesting articles but a poor resource for debate if your point was to condemn the Jews. They certainly understand the minds of their enemies much better than Obama ever will, they have had to deal with the muslim mindset much longer than our President has been alive, cooperate and you get a token, defy us and face destruction may be an effective way to deal with the situation and Isreal has shown it will back up that policy. Obama is too busy changing where his red lines are.
@Nanny G: With all of the knowledge John has of the middle east, he should be a major Obama advisor. I guess he could not be much worse.
@kitt:
It wasn’t to condemn the state of Israel (or as you say the Jews) it was to point out that when you accuse Obama of helping ISIS you fail to see that he is only doing what Israel has been doing
If you condemn Obama for helping ISIS why not condemn Israel?
In Syria we have the Russians and the Iranians/Hezbollah helping Assad.
The “rebels” are ISIS supported by the other Sunni Arabs (Saudis and Gulf sheiks Israel and the King of Jordan) I think that only humanitarian aid should be offered. Kitt whose side do you want to arm?
Randy I gotta chuckle a bit, when you can’t attack their ideas attack the messenger
@john: Id like to arm the Europeans if they want non-lethal then bear mace and tasers. Boot every last Muslim that does not fully disavow Shariah and refuses to assimilate back to the hell they created. Not kill them not punish them just send them to their homeland. Bad pointing out as the Isrealis back up their threats.
Kitt what I pointed out is that the Israelis have been assisting ISIS since the beginning
You fault Obama for the same thing
My point was to show that both the state of Israel (not the Jews) has been arming and helping all those fighting Assad including Isis
@john: ok I need to spell it out for you what did Obama gain for his assistance, read tour own article to see what the Isrealis got. I typed real slow for you…
Ahhh I thought that the Israelis got just what we did
Since they are supposed to be our bestest allies
We got a murdetous terrorist state run by a religious cult that believed that Jesus will lead them into Jerusalem
Which apparently is preferred by some over a secular despot like Saddam
@john: We got a murdetous terrorist state run by a religious cult that believed that Jesus will lead them into Jerusalem
what in the world are you ranting about what cult huh where?