Those of you who support Trump and still consider yourselves to be patriotic have a duty to carefully consider the evidence at hand on what is going on in the party.
First, of all, you need to carefully think about why up to 12 Million Democrats temporarily crossed over to support Trump during the primaries. And you have to consider why a hostile press supported Trump with free airtime during this time period.
Note that similar events took place in previous elections with disastrous results.
Second, you also have a duty to thoughtfully reflect on the fact that most polls and analysis shown Trump losing in an electoral bloodbath.
Again, in recent presidential elections the polls and analysis indicated a certain result and that was borne out in the election.
Third, There is also the very strange case of a presidential candidate taking action against his own interests, making unforced errors such as the attacks on the judge in the Trump U fraud case or espousing policy positions directly opposite to Conservative principles e.g. raising taxes and denigrating the 2nd amendment.
These events should be bothersome to all of those who support Trump and yet many do not care.
One can debate certain parts of these events, but it is reckless to dismiss them in their entirety.
These are very dangerous aspects that should serve as a big flashing WARNING sign to Trump supporters – if they were interested in winning. And yet some supporters dismiss these items without a second thought – Why?
Ask yourself these questions:
Why would the Democrats desperately want Trump to be the nominee?
Why are some Trump supporters not bothered the polling and analysis that shows him losing in an electoral disaster of epic proportions?
Why are some Trump supporters not alarmed by his actions that sabotage his own campaign?
The purpose of this open letter is to plead with those who support Trump to consider the evidence at hand and help avoid setting a temporary mistake in stone that very well could be the grave marker for the party.. and the nation as constituted.
This is specifically directed at those who in the past have championed the Conservative cause: Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Matt Drudge… Like many others, I had been a loyal fan and listener to your programs and books over the years. So you people above all others need to consider the evidence in front of you and make the right decision.
The evidence I have presented should be the impetus for you to reconsider your support for Trump.
To be blunt about it: There is no rational point to supporting a candidate who will lose and take down the rest of the party with him. As previously stated, there are some in the Trump movement who are immune to facts and reality. Thus, there is only one logical conclusion for their actions and that is to have him lose and help Comrade Clinton win.
But those of you who can process this evidence with a clear mind should be able to make this determination on your own.
Those of you in the formerly Conservative media can find redemption in what you do now. You along with every other true patriots in the Trump camp should be taking the following steps:
1. Seriously consider the evidence at hand and reconsider your support for Trump.
2. Be mindful of the distinct possibility of a down ballot apocalypse IF Trumps remains on the ticket.
[And no, it does not matter that this means we will lose – at least with Trump OFF the ticket we have a chance to win and a good chance to keep control of Congress]
4. Implore Trump to drop out of this farce and let someone qualified take over in his stead.
5. At a minimum you have to encourage and support those who want to #FreetheDelegates and #DumpTrump and let the people decide with the current facts as they stand.
Bottom line: You have to do everything in your power to reverse the horrendous circumstance of Trump nomination and lose in the general election.
I cannot make any guarantees as to how history will judge you, but I can assure that you will not be lauded if you stay on your current path.
You are at a crossroads, stay with Trump down the dark path and you will be marching off to oblivion. Turn against this destination of doom and help save the party and the country and you may be able to continue as you have in the past. Because if he is nominated your fate will be tied to his and those who cannot dwell in reality or worse yet, those who want a Trump disaster.
It is your choice.
It will not be easy, but doing the right thing never is.
And others, paid for their political opinions, disagree with you:
2016 GOP Presidential Field Will be Strongest Since 1980 – Grover Norquist
The class of candidates for 2016 has the potential to be the most robust in almost 40 years — perhaps in modern Republican history. – John Dickerson
@John:
That’s what I was told in 1976 and 1980.
What is so extremist about believing that our nation needs to return to the U.S. Constitution? Or is that just extremist to someone who is willing to live on their knees instead of dying on their feet?
Those who never forfeited their “deeply held principles” freed us from the tyranny of King George. Too bad you have veered so far away from those “deeply held principals.”
And you conducted a poll on “most Americans” when exactly? Louis Gohmert is a brilliant man and one of those who are not willing to compromise his values and principals like most of the weak-kneed self proclaimed conservative frauds. But then, I would suspect that you also consider Ben Sasse and Mike Lee to be “buffons” by the Congressional GOP sellouts.
What conservatives don’t understand is that in national elections Americans do not vote for conservatives, at least as now defined
Most Americans don’t watch Fox and don’t like their views
KaiscKasich polled strongest against Clinton
Cruz was a loser
Of course one can choose to ignore polls
The level of self delusion of the imbelic #nevertrumpers never ceases to astound me. There is ZERO chance that anyone other than Donald Trump gets nominated. When I wonder what the motives of these these ilk are, I can only come to one conclusion: They are open border globalists or paid by open border globalists.
In a week in a half you will be forced to decide on whether or not the Second Amendment survives and who gets to pick Supreme Court nominees. Open Border Globalists will pick Hillary. You will be revealed as to who you really are.
History reminder…..
All that fighting and writing would have been for naught had the revolutionaries not included those 10 Amendments.
Recall, there were plenty of states that would never have ratified the US Constitution without them!
Yes, they were examples of tremendous compromise.
Great, NannyG!
I’m sorry there is so much nasty rhetoric among conservative commenters here (mine and others). But there appears to be a lot of conspiracy theories shouted here spurred by incurable cases of TDS.
To me, the bottom line is this: Capitalism and the Constitution made this country great. Personalities aside, which candidate is more likely to protect and defend these principles? The choice is clear to me.
@John: Well that cuts it doesn’t it troll boy you and the left fear Cruz the most, to the point where u say you voted for trump.
Cruz would have won in a landslide of epic proportions but now we have to pray to squeak out by a recount maybe.
@Nanny G:
Plus also we got to keep slavery that was also a deeply held principal ( by some)
@Angel Artiste: No, you have to present FACTS with regard to your baseless accusation.
You have repeatedly FAILED to do so.
Perhaps you can explain why I went through the effort to warn about the danger of a Trump candidacy?
If I were as you accuse, I would have remained silent instead of having to endure the abuse of bringing it to everyone’s attention.
Some observations, first on the polls. In the past, they have proven to be wrong but they have also been proven to be pretty much right on the money. As of now, it’s too early to call anything. Right now the RCP average has Hillary up by 4 points plus and it has been that way for awhile. Included in those polls is Reuters which has had Hillary up by double digits (13 yesterday) even though the rest haven’t. If that poll is removed as a statistical outlier, then the candidates are essentially tied. If Trump has won over 12 million dems, then he should be way out in front right now. That means either the polls are underestimating his strength or the bulk of those 12 million crossovers have no intention of voting for him meaning his strength amongst those voters is overestimated. Election day will tell the truth.
Second, regardless of the candidates, one party would in this election will be emphasizing national security, law and order, jump starting the stagnant economy, and restoring the Constitution. The other will emphasize manmade global warming, “abortion rights”, “gay rights”, racism (both real and made up), and the need for more free stuff. One approach made this country number one. The other did not. Both of the candidates that are being selected to make their party’s arguments are self-centered egomaniacs. One is a blustery question mark. The other is a lawbreaker and compulsive liar. Add to that a poll that came out last week showing that 58% of young people would vote for Trump if he were to forgive their student loan debts and we have yet more proof as to how far this country has degenerated.
@Kitt: @Kitt:
Well my fluffy kitten
Actually Cruz was my second choice since he too was a loser to both Clinton and Sanders in a great majority of the polls
Kaisch was the one who was the strongest against both Dem candidates
How was your prediction on the last 2 elections for POTUS ? Were you expecting GOP landslides then too?
@John:
Yes, that could be an issue. But part of the quest here is to save the down-ballot races.
As for those who voted for him in the primaries – many were most likely Democrats like ‘Ajay42302’ implementing their own version of operation chaos who won’t vote for him anyway.
As for the others – some may stay home and others may see what is at stake and vote anyway.
The problem with Trump is that we lose anyway, at least with someone else we can save the down-ballot races and perhaps the white House.
@retire05:
” Or that those of us who are not willing to forfeit our personal values in order to vote for Trump are somehow “leftists.””
So did your “personal values” allow you to vote for Mittens in 2012?
@John: More like a deeply DEBATED issue, John:
http://www.confederatepastpresent.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100:debate-over-slavery-at-the-constitutional-convention-august-21-22-1787-&catid=41:the-gathering-storm
Read it all!
Sounds like there was (again!) COMPROMISE not principles so tightly held that they prevented our nation being founded.
Anyone who cannot sign their full true name to their comments is nothing more than a small bit of undigested potato or a smudge of bubblegum on the shoe.
@tom:
Not in the primary. But I did find Mitt Romney to be a Godly man who never cheated on his wife or bragged about cheating on his wife with other married women, or said nasty vulgar things about women. Had Romney bragged about things like that, no, he would not have gained my vote in the general election.
@Nanny G:
Did they compromise their principles of God-given freedom, or the rights of man to be the master of his own destiny? Did they say “Ok, King George, you give us this and we’ll go away and be good little subjects”?
Or did they pledge their lives, fortunes and sacred honor for independence when they knew that then was little chance of winning a war going against the greatest army in the world?
What happened to the sacred honor part of that, Nan?
@Nanny G: I am unsure of that allowing slavery to exist can be seen as a compromise on the issue of slavery
Perhaps you consider my position in slavetyto be extreme and that I should “compromise on it? Do you consider slavery to be abhorrent or not ? Should slavery ever be considered debateable
@retire05:From Johnson to Perry ,yes Texas is a Red State. However, El Paso to Austin are Blue citadels.My basic premise is still valid: unless you can Get Congress to enact a Reed like immigration bill and/or executive fiat you will be simply out voted from state to national level and any Conservative platforms will be extinct. The notion that to preserve the Republican majorities in Congress by dumping Trump is a dubious proposition.
All of the states are affected by illegal immigration, just look at school budgets and allocation of taxes to prepare the children of illegals.You can site Conservative principles as a bedrock if the majority shares you’re norms and mores. When that population is eroded by illegals,see California, you have a daunting task to teach conservative values to a population that came into this Republic by stealth.
Part one of the fisk:
First, of all, you need to carefully think about why up to 12 Million Democrats temporarily crossed over to support Trump during the primaries
because most dems are not communists, and most dems are not socialists, but they ARE people who care and use their votes based on the ad copy that the dems put out and games they play. Reagan was a Democrat before he switched to be a republican and when he was elected a large part of his voter base came from dems…
Second, you also have a duty to thoughtfully reflect on the fact that most polls and analysis shown Trump losing in an electoral bloodbath.
first of all, who are you to say i have a duty? where is YOUR duty to reflect on constitution and what would happen to people like you and your family and all the others if we had a change to a communist/socialist state like venezuela. heck, russians communism was so great, that people had to eat their children when starving during holodomar… hows that for throughtfully reflecting on potential outcomes?
but then… Advocacy Polls Are Not Real Polls
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/04/advocacy-polls-are-not-real-polls.html
Public opinion is very, very malleable. Pollsters understand that very slight differences in the wording of a question, or even in the ordering of questions, can produce dramatically different results. Polls that are actually designed to measure public opinion take great precautions to avoid tilting answers one way or another. They try to frame questions in as neutral fashion as possible, and when they do ask questions that gauge people’s ideological views, they measure it by looking at changes.
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Polls from advocacy organizations don’t do this. Their goal is to create a poll “proving” that the group’s position is a political winner. Just about any group, save perhaps NAMBLA, can do this. You simply craft language that may sound plausibly neutral but subtly tilts the question in such a way as to produce the desired results. Third Way’s method involves things like contrasting “fairness” against “opportunity.” But if you frame the question a bit differently, you can “prove” that the public is extremely positive about a populist economic message.
so thoughtful consideration, obviously not your strong point, might realize that a press whose owners (only 7 companies control all of what you see and hear), are in the tank for the party of corruption as they get to benefit from it, they do not benefit from trump, who cant be bought out easily as hillary and her foreign charity.
Again, in recent presidential elections the polls and analysis indicated a certain result and that was borne out in the election. [and so far have been wrong about Trump from day one all the way to now where he will win the nomination… ALL WRONG… but then again, how hard was a presidential poll where the republican rinos acted like the white sox and threw the game as they were going to do with cruz, whose wife is with goldman sachs, and whose top campaign manager started the crack epidemic in the US to fund overthrow in south america, and then decided to ship weapons to Iran… great guy to have on a constitutionalists side, eh? a man who unilaterally broke it, broke international law, and then was pardoned so he didnt see jail time. oh, did i forget that he also had the man who was bailed out for the silverado scam by our tax money, two council of foreign relations members, and wanted a 500% increase in importing foreigners to displace american workers a la disney, etc]
Third, There is also the very strange case of a presidential candidate taking action against his own interests, making unforced errors such as the attacks on the judge in the Trump U fraud case or espousing policy positions directly opposite to Conservative principles e.g. raising taxes and denigrating the 2nd amendment.
he didnt attack him, he questioned his ability to be neutral, something that the left and hillary and all deny is even possible… he is a member of several organizations and one group who was in opposition to trump… and its Trumps LEGAL right to question whether he would get a fair trial before him and question whether someone so close to the issue should recuse themselves… no?
Trump suggested that Judge Curiel might be biased because of his life experience – the way 100% of all human beings are biased – Trump was labeled racist. As a legal strategy, what Trump did was aggressive but smart. Either Trump’s claim of judicial bias would influence the judge to overcompensate in favor of Trump, or it would undermine the Judge’s verdict if it went against Trump. Trump’s strategy was good persuasion, except for the part where confirmation bias makes it look racist as hell.
consider this: If a man with African ancestors is born and raised in England, and later becomes a citizen of the United States, we might label him “English” as soon as we heard the accent. And no one would consider that a racial insult because England is a country, not a race.
when Trump referred to Judge Curiel as “Mexican” it sounded racist as hell, even though Mexico is a country not a race. That’s confirmation bias. You expected Trump to be a racist, so that is how you interpreted it. What he meant to say is that people are influenced by their associations, especially when their family members are involved. That part is totally reasonable. But the way you heard it (thanks to the news media) is that Trump was saying a judge is not qualified to do his job because of his race. But Trump never mentioned race. If you heard it as a race comment, that’s cognitive dissonance.
I know Curiel was born in America. That doesn’t change my point. If the judge rules in favor of Trump, he might have a tense Thanksgiving with his relatives. Bias is a real thing. We all have it. Even judges.
– Scott Adams
@John: Kaisch his liberal policies would make him popular on the east coast. Look very carefully at his state he is popular, the policies a failure.
Predictions I really suck at those so I wait and watch.
Fluffy? No I just wear a bit larger clothes to cover the holster. Thats no purr for any liberal constitution hating progressive.
So kids lets kick the tires and light the fires send Hillarys campaign to the 7th level of hell where it belongs.
If the unthinkable happens and Doony isn’t the RNC choice Vote against the Bitch anyway. Win at all costs, we can impeach later if needed. 😉
Hillary wants to kill our Constitution time for attitude
Part two of the fisk:
These are very dangerous aspects that should serve as a big flashing WARNING sign to Trump supporters – if they were interested in winning. And yet some supporters dismiss these items without a second thought – Why?
How are they “dangerous” when your bias is showing so badly? and you havent made a case for such terminology, and so on? you think we are people who are as dumb as the leftists that want state slavery and poverty over prosperity and freedom? try again
Why would the Democrats desperately want Trump to be the nominee?
where in hell are you living? they are NOT desperate to want trump, they desperately want him out of the race… why else draw clown faces over him (daily news), why else make fun of his penis size (post LBJ and his penis antics this is inane).. why else make us falsely believe that trumps talk is unpresidential when both jefferson and adams said things that would not even be played on the news today?
please make a real case as to the left and rinos wanting him… the rinos are moving to the point of favoring hillary by being willing to negate the people and destroy the party to get their communist state…and their permanent politburo power positions.
note that many have said they woudl leave the US, including a sitting supreme court judge, that doesnt sound like they want him over others, does it?
Why are some Trump supporters not bothered the polling and analysis that shows him losing in an electoral disaster of epic proportions?
see my post above that talks about advocacy polls whose design is to influence and lie… the point is the same as “Dialoging to Consensus” in tricking people to think others think a certain way and follow them collectively… so far most of the polls have been highly skewed towards democrats.. but its not hard to screw with the polls when they dont tell you the area code they dialed, and so on…
Why are some Trump supporters not alarmed by his actions that sabotage his own campaign?
because if he sabotaged his campaign he would not have won over 16 other delegates, broken the record for the most votes for a delegate, and you would not be writing an article getting us to change our minds to the democrats… by the way, since you want the democrats to win, why are you not pushing for Trump yourself and not negate your own writing?
The purpose of this open letter is to plead with those who support Trump to consider the evidence at hand and help avoid setting a temporary mistake in stone that very well could be the grave marker for the party.. and the nation as constituted.
we might if you actually had EVIDENCE
Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.
your assertions are not evidence… they are assertions and remain to be PROVEN
maybe THATS why?
@Nanny G: Well, if Krathammer and Norquest disagree with me, well, what was I thinking?
The 2016 GOP lineup were straight out of the belfry. The only one who wasn’t just batshit crazy was Kasich. He would have been the only Republican I could have possibly voted for simply because he was the only one not coocoo for coco puffs.
But I have to agree with Tor that Trump is the damning to the party. And yeah, political winds are shifty things but I foresee a down ballet tsunami that will make the 2010 teabagger wave look like a gentle splash.
What a load of crap. Loyalty should be to the nation not to the party. We now live in an oligarchy that was created with the help of the Republicans. The Republican Party must be there evolve or die. Either way I’m OK with it.
Last part of the fisk
This is specifically directed at those who in the past have championed the Conservative cause: Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Matt Drudge… Like many others, I had been a loyal fan and listener to your programs and books over the years. So you people above all others need to consider the evidence in front of you and make the right decision.
and who the heck are you? no one NEEDS to do what you say, at least till its a totalitarian state, your the dictator and you are willing to kill them if they dont comply… and famous people who made their money because you listened to them, may know more than you do who are not famous, who are not earning money in the realm of public opinion, and are really, like me, a nobody
The evidence I have presented should be the impetus for you to reconsider your support for Trump.
again… assertions are not evidence and would remain to be proven to be so
To be blunt about it: There is no rational point to supporting a candidate who will lose and take down the rest of the party with him. As previously stated, there are some in the Trump movement who are immune to facts and reality. Thus, there is only one logical conclusion for their actions and that is to have him lose and help Comrade Clinton win.
To double down on blunt.. lets entertain your right in the assertion that he will lose, and bring the party down with him… the rational point of it is that such a party does not deserve to survive it… they have consistently let their own people they represent down over and over and over favoring leftism and communism, and statism, and higher taxes and more… we could do better with a new party… even more so that they let the left dems take credit for their freeing the slaves, stopping slavery, creating the civil rights laws and signing them in, and not being the party of the kkk and knights of the white camelia murdering blacks by the hundreds to stop them from voting republican, and certainly not the party of the leftists that paid for the tuskeegee syphilis study either… or the communist highlander school… or sanger and her birth control for thoroughbreads who published the works of ernst rudin (the inventor of the holocaust) and was praised by him…
got a bit of a clue there?
But those of you who can process this evidence with a clear mind should be able to make this determination on your own.
stop calling what you assert as evidence.. its not evidence its blind assertion
Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction. While this may seem stupid, it’s actually an easy trap to fall into and is quite common.
Those of you in the formerly Conservative media can find redemption in what you do now. You along with every other true patriots in the Trump camp should be taking the following steps:
so you agree the media is biased heavily to the left and so, my assertion that the polls they put up are lying towards their bias. thanks
1. Seriously consider the evidence at hand and reconsider your support for Trump.
argument by assertion is not evidence. please read the definitions you havent proven anything…
2. Be mindful of the distinct possibility of a down ballot apocalypse IF Trumps remains on the ticket.
I like this one.. please explain how taking down trump post primaries would result in a candidate that would win against hillary if that candidate cant win against trump in the primary?
think hard on this… more people voted FOR trump in the primaries, and so, ALL OTHERS lost to him… how does someone who loses to the person you claim will lose, end up winning?
how does the party remain when they kick the majority of people who registered to the curb and deny them their votes in a democratic republic? think real hard
[And no, it does not matter that this means we will lose – at least with Trump OFF the ticket we have a chance to win and a good chance to keep control of Congress]
sorry… but your really stupid if you think that the people that lost could win by going against the public, destroying the republic by negating their votes, and puttign up who? dont you think that you should have put this winner up first in the primaries to win, not hold them in your pocket? if your picking one of the others who did run, then your saying the losers can win.
4. Implore Trump to drop out of this farce and let someone qualified take over in his stead.
why? everyone is qualified to be president dummy… the restrictions are citizenship, which is now a farce… and age… go read the constitution… by the way, how does running 560 companies with 30,000 employees globally constitution unqualified? bernie never ran anything, obama never ran anything, hillary never ran anything (and was fired from the first job in a lawfirm for being crooked)… etc.
you have not shown how a person who runs such a successful empire, is unqualified, when people who have never run a company, hired people, etc. are somehow qualified.. those qualified people created solyndra, hope you have lots of solyndra stock… and the forced buying of CFLs, and even screwed up healthcare, negated the meaning of insurance, and added mandates to force people to pay for what they dont want.. unless this is a soviet state, that is not freedom, eh?
5 At a minimum you have to encourage and support those who want to #FreetheDelegates and #DumpTrump and let the people decide with the current facts as they stand.
This is my FAVORITE… hey dummy… the reason that trump is there is that the people DID decide, and the fewer people whose numbers were lower LOST (clue: thats you). by the way, you said facts, not evidence this time, and so far we have seen neither.
Bottom line: You have to do everything in your power to reverse the horrendous circumstance of Trump nomination and lose in the general election.
no.. i have to do everything in my power to stop people like you…
I cannot make any guarantees as to how history will judge you, but I can assure that you will not be lauded if you stay on your current path.
history wont judge me.. im a nobody who will vote my way, not your way, and make history judge you as an ass who wrote this and in 50 years have others read it in class as to the fringe anti-capitalist statists who wanted hillary to win by pretending to save the republic by negating the republic so they can get who they want in office, who lost
You are at a crossroads, stay with Trump down the dark path and you will be marching off to oblivion. Turn against this destination of doom and help save the party and the country and you may be able to continue as you have in the past. Because if he is nominated your fate will be tied to his and those who cannot dwell in reality or worse yet, those who want a Trump disaster.
oblivion? really? first of all, unless your a communist a party is a nothing and no one cares if a few statists who make up a party that has negated its own history, and standards, and caved into the opposition by reaching across the aisles and compromising to the point where we have mandates, no fly lists, secret courts, and more..
your article is my evidence that your a moron.
@Artfldgr: it is sort of amusing to see that the fear of COMMUNISTAS!!!! Is still around
again what a load of crap!
I dont give 2 shits what happens to the RNC. You are upset that your guy/gal is not the one in the lead. Well too damn bad!
Grow up , deal with the fact that WE THE PEOPLE ARE PISSED OFF! .
I personally am at the I DON’T GIVE A FUCK STAGE. The republic is lost.
We have lived in an oligarchy for way too long. I used to laugh at the people that called themselves sovereign citizen. Now I feel I am one as the current government in DC is NOT following the constitution.
@mike191:
Really? You seem to know little about the political history of Texas.
@Artfldgr: and why didn’t you mention that the lefties put fluoride in our water ? Isn’t that part of the John Birch doctrine ?
And interracial marriage?
@cold57: sounds like the Bundy militia has another recruit
My comment was about the FOUNDERS’ various views about slavery.
In order to get the US Constitution signed by all who did sign it, COMPROMISE had to happen.
The slavery going on right now among the Saudis, the al Qaeda, ISIS, the taliban, Boko Haram et al., is all very bad.
The USA was among the first modern nation to do away with slavery.
But slavery is still in the world today in great numbers.
I’d love to see it end.
@John:
They sure may have. again We were a Constitutional Republic and we lost it just as B. Franklin said we could. Perhaps it time we revisit an old document
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
1775 Again!
An open letter to those not supporting Trump (Tor, I’m looking in your direction):
This is a two-party system and either the Democrat or the Republican is going to be the next President. The Democrat is going to be Clinton and the Republican (barring any shenanigans at the convention) will be Trump. In deciding whom to vote for you have to compare the candidate to his competition, not to some idealized candidate you wish had been nominated but wasn’t.
If Clinton wins the following things are guaranteed to happen:
1) an all out war on the First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments.
2) the immediate appointment of two hyper-liberal USSC justices to help wage that war
3) two additional USSC appointments down the road to lock in a liberal majority that will view the Constitution as an inconvenience rather than as the law of the land. That majority will stand for 20 years or more.
4) A ramping up of Obama’s lawlessness and extra-constitutional power grabbing
5) a compliant media acting as cheerleaders for all of the above
If Trump wins the following is at least possible:
1) Appointment of a USSC majority that will respect the Constitution
2) restoration of at least some measure of law, order and the separation of powers
3) a press that suddenly rediscovers its role as a government watchdog
4) A chastened GOP establishment that finally decides to stop pissing on its base
I don’t know about you, but I’ll take a possible good outcome over a guaranteed disaster any day of the week.
If you didn’t want Trump the time to stop him was six months ago. He wasn’t even in my top five choices but he’s the nominee now and, this can’t be said often enough, the alternative to supporting Trump now is to put the most malign, corrupt and mendacious candidate in history into the White House.
this is the 2nd time in this thread where the term ballet has been used.
BALLET:
The term I think posters meant was ballot.
BALLOT:
Of course, I might be wrong.
As to this:
So, you call Jeb Bush crazy?
You call Chris Christie crazy?
You call Mike Huckabee crazy?
You call Marco Rubio crazy?
I might call them entitled, governor, ex-governor and inexperienced, but not ”crazy.”
@James Felix: Actually I didn’t say whom I’m supporting, I’m merely taking the time to WARN to people about the dangers of his candidacy.
Keep in mind that he’s not the nominee yet – and until then there still is a chance.
We all should be apprised of the disastrous consequences of Comrade Clinton attaining the White House – that is why I’ve taken the time to write that piece.
Now, could you please address the issues I raised in that letter?
@Nanny G:
Nanny here is a partial list of the countries that ended slavery before us
Iceland 1200
France 1315
Sweden 1395
England 1706
Russia 1723
Portugal 1761
Mexico 1810
Argentina 1813
Canada 1819
Columbia Venezuala Ecuador 1829
Greece 1822
Chile 1823
Uruguay 1830
Brazil 1831
China 1851
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1865
That hardly places us in the forefront of abolition
but we did get in ahead of Egypt and Korea
from wiki the timeline of slavery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline#Slavery_Timeline
I think really we were the LAST major developed country to give up slavery
@John: good lord the slavery issue. The hard and true facts of slavery is that those descendants of slaves should be grateful that the USA had purchased them. If they had not been purchased they would have been killed. And the descendants would not be alive to carp and bitch about slavery. The rules of colonization dictate that the conquered peoples (the ones conquered by black tribes in Africa) you enslave those that can be enslaved and you jettison those that cannot. The fate of the slaves sold was 1 of 2 . Either be sold or killed as they would have been a burden to the conqueror. Those are the hard cold facts! I am tired of hearing about slavery and how the USA is EVIL! Shit happens get over it.
@Nanny G: As to the Ballet/Ballot thing, you are correct. The rest? Not so much.
But that doesn’t really matter much when Dems are dancing in the streets thanks to Trump.
@John: Plus also we got to keep slavery that was also a deeply held principal ( by some)
only because the party that would become the democrats wanted slavery, and eventually wanted out of the country, when they couldnt do that, they tortured and mutliated (worse than lynch) blacks AND poor whites in the parishes as the kkk and the knights of the white camelia were there to prevent voting for republicans
it was the sneaky precience of the 4/5ths argument that help end slavery, because it denied the south the numbers needed to dominate congress by having people who counted but had no say…
you really should read history… perhaps read about eliza pinkerston whose husbands throat was slashed, her baby drowned and the dems cut her breasts off to prevent voting republican..
@Charles R Griffee: Anyone who cannot sign their full true name to their comments is nothing more than a small bit of undigested potato or a smudge of bubblegum on the shoe.
can you please provide your ss# so we know that is your real name?
if not, then we will assume its not…
I think we can all agree we want a president who is fully committed to protecting Article XII of the U.S. Constitution.
@retire05: What happened to the sacred honor part of that, Nan?
feminists killed it…
@John: I am unsure of that allowing slavery to exist can be seen as a compromise on the issue of slavery
thats because you enjoy the fruits of that compromise in a whole nation which wasnt three or four fighting wars for 5000 years like europe.
ie. without that compromise, there would not be a united states and there would not have been a constitution, and so on…
your taking for granted the fruit of the outcome would exist if the thing you wanted was tried.. you only have to look at the flag that franklyn made of the cut up snake to undestand that divided we would fall.
there would probably been a king… despotism.. and the states that disagreed and did not become part of the union, mayh even still ahve slavery to this day as do japan, russia, UAE, etc…
@John: it is sort of amusing to see that the fear of COMMUNISTAS!!!! Is still around
fear? do you know where i am from and my wifes family?
my family were mostly murdered by stalin and hitler
my wifes family had to deal with stalin
hillary and bernie are what? butterflies?
the chinese communists are working towards a war over their 9 dash lines and have threatened today to create fly zones and pretty much take over the sea
communism is the end state of socialism the process… are you THAT stupid?
do you remember this? or are you too young?
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”
― Norman Mattoon Thomas
That was the head of the communist party usa…
how are the people of venezuela doing?
what ideology do you think obama loves? given that his lineage goes to the lid, then the sid, then the weather underground (that tried to rob a brinks truck to start a race war – funny how race is big now too), and then others..
if you think someone whose family was under stalin twice, hitler once, mao once, sudarto, sukarno, and so on… doesnt know more than you do… your an idiot
in fact… not being afraid of a ideology that would murder you is kind of like being a dodo and not running away from the sailors that would eat you…
@Artfldgr: @Artfldgr:
Slavery in Japan ? gee I didn’t see any of that when I lived there in 1969 teaching English
must be something new……
@Greg: well I sure do It really gives a leg up to the Dems
@John: and why didn’t you mention that the lefties put fluoride in our water ? Isn’t that part of the John Birch doctrine ?
i dont know… my family is from soviet russia, not america, and you seem to know birch more than me… but why not have a real discussion… last i heard of flouride Erin Brockovich was bitching about it.
i am more familiar with stalins volumes, gramscis 9 prison books, marx works, the works of willi munsberg, norm thomas, alynsky, and lots and lots of history.
your a moron if you dont think that marx, trotsky racism, left opposition (trotsky) right opposition (bukharin), and so on isnt still here… you use the term left and right which is NOT from the french court, but is from the soviet union…
i could run rings around you on history and ideology…
@retire05:Coming from you, who evades the reality of demography, is Austin and/or El Paso not citadels of the Democratic Party, I will wear you’re deflection as a badge of honor.
Possibly Japan has been confused with scenes from the radium furnace room on the planet Vulcan. It’s a fairly common mistake.