The left wing plan: If you try to buy a gun or get a permit, you will be placed on the terrorist watch list

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Accidentally, of course. A “glitch”, if you will.

When discussing any issue for which Barack Obama is proposing action there is an axiom which has to be remembered- Obama lies about everything- the Iran deal, Fast and Furious, health care, rewriting history, Libya, you name it. Gun control is no different.

What he wants, accompanied by our resident idiot Senators Chris Murphy and Richard Blumenthal, is nothing less than the ability to suspend your Constitutional rights. Here he is in a town hall whining about his inability to stop those on a no-fly list from purchasing guns:


What he’s really saying is that he is troubled by his inability to suspend the Constitutional rights of Americans at will, because that is what is at stake here. Nothing less. There is no Constitutional right to fly on an airplane, but there sure is one to own a gun. This spectacle has become mind-boggling. It is quite something see elected representatives demanding that the rights of US citizens be suspended at someone’s will or suspicion.

Watch obama in the above video at about 4:25. He says

“this is somebody who is a known ISIL sympathizer…”

Really? Mateen had been interviewed several times by the FBI and cleared. He was on a terror watch list and then was removed from it by the Obama administration. Additionally, the obama administration already has scrubbed at least 1,000 Muslims from the terrorist watch list. Thus this proposal would not have stopped Mateen as it would not have stopped San Bernardino or Sandy Hook.

And then he says

“but because of the National Rifle Association I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun…”

What he’s saying is that the NRA stopping obama from the freedom to deprive you of  your rights under the US Constitution. The Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution says

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

No US citizen can be deprived of his rights without due process of law.  Eugene Volokh

But can a person be denied constitutional rights, not based on a past criminal conviction or even a restraining order issued in court under a “preponderance of the evidence” standard, but based just on the government’s suspicion? The Feinstein proposal would have provided that the government could bar gun sales to a person if two conditions were met:

  1. “the Attorney General” “determines that the [buyer] is known (or appropriately suspected)” to have been involved in terrorism-related conduct “or providing material support or resources for terrorism,” and
  2. if the Attorney General “has a reasonable belief that the [buyer] may use a firearm in connection with terrorism.”

That’s a very low bar — denial of a constitutional right based on suspicion (albeit “appropriate[]”) about a person’s connections, and belief (albeit “reasonable” belief) about a person’s possible future actions. Indeed, most of the time this would come into play only as to people for whom the government doesn’t have proof of terrorist activity. If the government had proof, presumably the people would be prosecuted. (If the government has proof but isn’t prosecuting because it hopes that quietly watching them would help catch more or bigger fish, then barring gun purchases would be a bad idea, since that would alert the person to the government’s plans.)

I can’t see how that’s constitutional. And though the bill would have let the buyer go to court to challenge the attorney general’s decision, the attorney general would simply have had to show by a preponderance of the evidence that the two elements were satisfied — that the attorney general appropriately suspected the buyer and that she had a reasonable belief about what the buyer may do. Plus the evidence supporting the attorney general’s position might never be shared with the buyer, which may make it impossible for the buyer to fairly challenge it, or aired in open court.

Obama and the left whine about the GOP blocking such legislation, but what’s always left out of the coverage is the expansive nature of their proposals.

The Senate amendment in question, proposed by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, would have applied to a much larger group than the no-fly list. As we reported in December, Feinstein’s office told us the measure, which would have allowed the attorney general to block gun sales to individuals on these lists, would have included a few terrorist databases, and the no-fly list is a subset of one of them.

The deceit from the left ought to surprise no one.

So, while Clinton said the measure applied to suspected terrorists on the no-fly list, that’s only 64,000 names. It actually would have applied to well over 1 million people who are on government watch lists.

Given the history of this wretched administration using the IRS to target conservative groups, DHS head Jeh Johnson asserting the guns are now a homeland security issue and that domestic ring wing is as big a threat as are Islamic terrorists it is not a stretch to imagine the abuse of such a law. The handwriting is already on the wall and the potential for abuse is huge.

Anyone who buys a gun or applied for a gun permit will be placed on a terrorist watch list and it will left for them to try to exonerate themselves. That will prove to be a lengthy and frustrating exercise. Consider the responsiveness of the government to FOIA requests. Consider how long it’s taken for House investigators to obtain Benghazi or Clinton emails- which still have not been provided. Consider the destruction of hard drives under subpoena by the IRS. Consider IRS head Koskinen simply blowing off Congress. Consider that democrats already think the First Amendment does not apply to global warming skeptics.

Consider that Barack Obama has killed four Americans without due process.

It’s entirely reasonable to believe this or another democrat regime would continue to trample the rights of law abiding citizens with this obviously unconstitutional plot. Really, right now the NRA is standing between Obama and Hillary and the US Constitution.


Couldn’t resist.


DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education. DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed. Except for liberals being foolish.

20 Responses to “The left wing plan: If you try to buy a gun or get a permit, you will be placed on the terrorist watch list”

  1. 1

    MOS #8541

    the fool is a muslin terrorist living on a gracious welfare system.
    for allegedly a professor of Constitutional Law he now has feces for brains-impeached it too late and long over do.

  2. 2


    These safety-conscious, anti-violence liberals… who have they prosecuted for handing over 1200 guns to Mexican drug dealers, hundreds of which have been used in murders, including Border Patrol Officer Terry?

  3. 3

    Nanny G

    There was a concerted effort to get islamic named individuals off that list because:
    After seven years, exactly one person gets off the gov’t no-fly list
    New report on terrorism “blacklists” suggests it won’t be easier the next time.
    That one name got removed at the cost of $3.5 million to the innocent person. The gov’t refuses to cover the costs although it was in the wrong.

  4. 5


    If this limitation passes, the next day ALL the names of the members of and the contributors to every one of the Teaparty organizations illegally investigated by the IRS will be placed on the no fly list.
    And, after the next muslim terror attack, the language will mysteriously shift from a prohibition against “buying a gun” to “owning a gun!”
    And, the GOP wonders why it’s elite a-holes are held in such low regard.

  5. 6


    This tactic by the left should surprise no one. They create the problem, then blatantly lie, misdirect and perform propaganda sleight-of-hand in order to manipulate superficial thinkers into giving up freedoms and putting on the chains of their own enslavement.

    Consider.. .the same federal government that failed – despite TWICE investigating this muslim terrorist (whose father posted videos giving support to the Taliban) – to keep Matern from legally purchasing firearms now wants to be given oversight of the process of deciding which law-abiding citizens will be “allowed” to have their Constitutional right of self defense.

    This would be as phenomenally stupid as rewarding with the Presidency someone whose refusal to grant an ambassador’s repeated requests for increased security led to the murder of the ambassador by muslim terrorists, while she lied claiming a video induced a “spontaneous protest”….

  6. 7

    Spurwing Plover

    There is plenty of those who need place on terrorists watch lists including Obama,Hillary,Bill.Gore and BLM as well as the NBPP

  7. 9


    “The left wing plan: If you try to buy a gun or get a permit, you will be placed on the terrorist watch list”

    There’s a certain stench one learns to detect from radical unhinged hate sites and that’s the aroma of frothing writers either out to make a buck or consumed with ideological hatred (it’s truly hard to distinguish). This very title reeked of Dr. John.

    Folks of reasonable political knowledge and an iota of intellect understand that the NRA has dictated there will be no gun conversation, that it just simply won’t be allowed, under any circumstances.

    We also understand that it’s somewhat of a winning ticket among white male Democratic voters just as I suppose, the birther conspiracy and Southern Strategy played well. So it’s rational that right wing howl-at-the-moon Trump lickers would be doing all they can to abet their modern day Hitler.

    But Dr. John, I’d advise you my friend, be careful what you wish for. Be very very careful.

  8. 10




    But Dr. John, I’d advise you my friend, be careful what you wish for. Be very very careful.

    Curious. On one hand you suggest that the above post is unhinged (apparently without reading any of it) and then you warn me that what I speculate could happen might happen.

    Anyone summoning the name Hitler as a comparison to Trump is a very sad person. But let’s speak in your tongue for a moment. You’ve got it completely wrong. Hitler took guns from the Jews. That makes conservatives the new Jews to obama’s Hitler.

    It’s ridiculous, but you went there first.

    I think you also forget was the obama regime which decided returning vets were domestic terrorists so it could deprive them of gun ownership.

    Barack Obama is a bald faced liar. I’ve proven that repeatedly. You know how I know for a fact that obama would seize all guns in the US?

    Because he denies he would.

  9. 11



    From your very own admission, you’re so consumed that Obama is such an abject liar that a bianary conclusion is anything he says is an opposite. That, in any realm of reasonable deduction is insanity.

    And it’s even more insane to manufacture some concept that Trump is your saviour. It’s as if lunacy has no bounds.

    I mean, Trump? Come on!!!

  10. 12


    When I read about this plan, I think of what the IRS did to conservatives. This will be no different. As long as the administration is packed with the muslim brotherhood, those that need be on the list won’t.

  11. 14


    Obama is a liar. Got it. I understand that. I don’t disagree.

    But by your argument, by your difinition, by your deduction, a clock can no longer be right twice a day, ever, under any circumstances. Why? Because you’ve found your crutch, that anything questioning your radical kowtowing to the unhinged Trump agenda is void because, well, Obama is a liar.

    That’s just profoundly stupid on most any front.

  12. 18


    @DrJohn: ” Fabricated entirely out of the ether.”

    The rubber/glue game you guys play is remarkably elastic as you stretch it to no end. Look at your very fear mongering title and selling some nonsense of an Obama conspiracy to void the 2nd Amendment.

    But that’s an aside as I understand that you just can’t rationalize with people of abject bigotry and festered hatred (or desperate writers trying to make a buck).

    What perplexes me on the gun issue is how can anyone look at Obama’s rather friendly gun legislation history and then look at how Trump has advocated mass arrest and deportation, mass surveillance and banning of certain religions, along with his history on guns, and then deduce he’d be a better protector of the 2nd Amendment or hell, any amendment.

  13. 19

    Spurwing Plover

    See Obama oinking to the audiance of Useful Idiots from p BS i nean Obama earning more pinnochios and lying like a liberal leftists poltical hack

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