Violent anti-Trump protesters only boost support for Trump

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And wait until you see how the left wing media portrayed what happened.

Donald Trump held a rally in New Mexico yesterday. Protesters were on hand but simple protest was not enough. Exercising their rights was not enough. They decided they were going to suppress the rights of Trump and of those who attended the rally. They lit fires and threw rocks and bottles at police, some of whom were injured. They assaulted a wheelchair-bound Trump supporter while chanting “Stop the hate!” (video at the link)

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There was violence both inside and outside the rally.

As far away as Pakistan it was reported correctly.

The primary victory brings Trump, the last Republican standing in the 2016 US presidential race, one major step closer toward clinching his party’s nomination.

But the success was clouded by violent anti-Trump demonstrations in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Chaos erupted outside a Trump rally when protesters threw burning t-shirts and bottles at police, and tried to storm the convention center where the provocative Republican candidate was speaking.

Horse-mounted police and officers wielding clubs used pepper spray and smoke bombs to try to disperse the crowd.

The protesters, several of whom waved Mexican flags, chanted expletives about Trump. Some also waved signs with expletive-laden anti-Trump slogans in Spanish.

In Spanish.

So how was this portrayed in the left wing media?

HuffPo:

Trump Protesters Hit With Smoke Grenades In Clashes With Albuquerque Police

Talking Points Memo:

Donald Trump’s Campaign Rally In New Mexico Turns Violent

Idiots.

As you can see, these dirtbags were flying the flag of their home– the Mexican flag. They’re here illegally and they’re suppressing the rights of US citizens and flying the Mexican flag. Nothing says I want to assimilate and become a US good citizen more than that. The violence only vindicates and validates Trump’s position on illegals. It is entirely unacceptable for illegals to break into this country, make demands and sow violence. I lay all of this at obama’s feet. Some people will behave like animals when they’re allowed to behave like animals. When there is no disincentive for intimidation there will be intimidation. When there is no disincentive for violence, there will be violence.

At least, on the part of the left.

Over at DePaul University, Black Lives Matter assaulted a gay conservative while the security force paid for by Breitbart and the University refused to intervene.

Remember when Trump supporters lit fires, threw rocks and bottles at police and injured them at a Hillary rally or Sanders rally?

Neither do I.

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For you Ajay


 

 

 

Trump wasn’t racist until he declared to be a Republican running for office.

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@Tor:

yes tor.. it does…
I’m Latvian like the documentaries author, dad came from latvia
later we fought to get my great granmother out of soviet russia during their possession of the country.

whats left of my family survived stalin twice and hitler once. and we had always found it funny that people who never lived it, and only read books, would lecture people that lived through it, were consripted and forced to be a part of it, watched their loved ones tortured, and all kinds of things..

in fact, family often made a point of pulling out the thing that was taught in the west and showing what was wrong with it from other books and histories.

i remember once arguing with someone that knew nothing of the red latvian rifle men who held off the world to carve out russia for lennin who was in germany.

In May 1917 the Latvian Regiments transferred their loyalty to the Bolsheviks. They became known as Red Latvian Riflemen (Latvian: Latviešu sarkanie strēlnieki, Russian: красные латышские стрелки) and actively participated in the Russian Civil War. The Riflemen took an active part in the suppression of anti-Bolshevik uprisings in Moscow and Yaroslavl in 1918.
Latvian Riflemen received the highest military recognition of that time: the Honorable Red Flag of VTsIK. Jukums Vācietis, formerly a colonel in the Latvian Rifles became the first commander-in-chief of the Red Army.

you would be surprised how many people dont know that this country exists, let alone know the degree they were involved in the history of their lives!!

After helping create the soviet union and its Cheka, and having 8 peace treaties violated by russia, occupation, shipping 1/3 of the population to the Taiga, (siberia), being sold out at yalta, having the riflemen killed as enemies after being heroes forever, being the guards at nuremberg trials, and so on… and so on.. .

you might think we know our history a bit better than a person reading a summary either in social studies chapters or a book, where most of the detail of living and what people were actually subjected to are lost and mostly its laws, facts, and academic interpretation which follow a popularity contest more than a validity one.

its a good documentary….
one of the women reminds me of my great grandmother…
the one crying on how she had to let one child starve to death while he watched the others eat till that was that…

heck.. only recently is the mass starvation stalin commited at holodomar in another country has been believed and remembered. thanks to a pulitzer winning ny times journalist lying, its taken a long time for that to be known different than his claims in the times. Walter Duranty lied and set the stage for the future of manipulative press as a norm…

thanks or the reference.
its just the history of a country most ignore and forget even exists.

@Tor: I believe my statements are fact. They’ve been recognized as such for over 80 years.

Then it should be EXTREMELY EASY for you to back them up.

Tor, he wont as he cant. i have heard his bs for a long while from the young people like a friend of mine who is a communist, but never lived under it.

they all argue as if no one immigrated here who was living there at the time they are lecturing… they make sweeping claims that assume 80 years.. but are not old enough to remember when the assertion was not true.

in fact. i put up the quotes of hitler and his bows to marxism, and can tell that Greg has NOT read mein kampf (it used to be required in history), Gramsci’s 9 prison volumes, lenins volumes, as well as Stalins… the work of trotsky, and on and on.

he also probably has no friends who are immigrants from soviet russia, or family… and so, does not have the perspective they have on things, which is quite different than what someone like him thinks he sees. he’s missing the experierience that gives one the ability to see.

the major problem is that he has the contradiction that hitler wanted to take over the world, which is not all that true… it was stalin that wanted the world, ergo, national vs international and the goals of the international comiterm and all that stuff last century that very few americans i have ever met know even existed… ask him about kamera, and he would say it takes pictures, and not know what it was… ask him about aids, and he probably believes the propaganda that came from india, and is still circulating, but was debunked and admitted to by gorbachev .

Like a student who does not know past their professor, he does not know that what the professor teaches is some summary that leaves tons of stuff out conveniently, and takes up convenient explanations that they know most students wont go past and read and fill in the details

if i asked greg, who said this:
“True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt’s: “Give back Alsace and Lorraine”. For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?”

and who said this:
This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom.

he would naturally say hitler… why? cause he never read the actual work of marx or engels.. (the quotes are engels)

et that be an introduction to the idea that Hitler not only called himself a socialist but that he WAS in fact a socialist by the standards of his day. Ideas that are now condemned as Rightist were in Hitler’s day perfectly normal ideas among Leftists. And if Friedrich Engels was not a Leftist, I do not know who would be.

things have changed since then… socilaisms position in the public mind has changed and been refined to be more and more appealing with the idea of convincing the public to voluntarily vote it in, as they did in germany after weimars liberal years… (the parallels to to day would make many shudder if they knew the names to look up and compare to, as if they are attempting to have history repeat by repeating the various parts in culture and somewhat by decree)

here is a quote from Marx, the marx hitler takes his cue from, and the marx that explains the hatred of israel and how antisemitism, always raises its head in modern socialism post marx engels

“Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew — not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time…. We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development — to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed — has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry”.

i wonder if greg ever read that and knew it was marx? did he know that engels predicted the holocaust, except that he calld it a conflagration that would sweep the world… etc.

Marx’s essay in German was “Zur Judenfrage”.(“Jewish question”)
Hitler used in his famous phrase “Endloesung der Judenfrage” (“Final solution of the Jewish question”).
Marx said dissolve (aufloesen), Hitler said final solution (Endloesung)
Engels said conflagration, post war the term holocaust was used, and the jews themselves refer to it as the shoa

Obama picked forwards as his slogan
Hitler jugend sang Voorworts Voorworts
and Russian soviets had Vpered
The term has a long legacy in those circles

ok greg, who said this, and where:
“As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation’s economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence”.

“The Nazis have not only imitated the Bolshevist tactics of seizing power. They have copied much more. They have imported from Russia the one-party system and the privileged role of this party and its members in public life; the paramount position of the secret police; the organization of affiliated parties abroad which are employed in fighting their domestic governments and in sabotage and espionage, assisted by public funds and the protection of the diplomatic and consular service; the administrative execution and imprisonment of political adversaries; concentration camps; the punishment inflicted on the families of exiles; the methods of propaganda. They have borrowed from the Marxians even such absurdities as the mode of address, party comrade (Parteigenosse), derived from the Marxian comrade (Genosse), and the use of a military terminology for all items of civil and economic life. The question is not in which respects both systems are alike but in which they differ…”

Ludwig Von Mises 1944
[von mises made it out of germany just before things went really south for jews, which von mises was jewish – so he is actually writing about what he saw just before having to run for his life]

or this:

“There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will.”

Another quote:

“Of what importance is all that, if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings.”

Both quotes above are from Hermann Rauschning in Hitler Speaks, London, T. Butterworth, 1940,

Basically another nickname the west has forgotten was that unlike russia, the germans were called “nationalizers”… like modern democrats, they wanted to move business sectors into control of the state… a variation on communists but a small one… both were means to total control of businesses, salaries, etc… its just one leveraged the expertise of the professionals in situ, the other upturned everything and so broke most of it from functioning at all like it did

last example for a while i guess:
was this said by bernie, hillary, the democrat party, the British Labour Party, the Canadian Liberals, a European Social Democratic party? (if none, then where is it from?)

9. All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. The activities of the individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the general good.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

so much for “its known for 80 years”

@Dreadnought: Nazis were very much leftists, because they inserted the state into everything. They did not believe in state ownership of production assets – which sets them apart from communists – but but they told businesses what to make and how, handing out favors (winners and losers).

Very right… but like Ford who said “i want to own nothing but control everything”, the communists made a mistake in understanding the nuances of control

yes, if you own something, you assume control, but you are also responsible

however, if someone else owns something, and you impose control, they remain responsible

So its never the fault of the state which raises minimum wage to $15, its the fault of the owner of the business who could not survive at that rate…

and the owner of the large corporation who can accept loses in one area to be made up in another area, and so, dont mind it as it removes the small competition and the absorption of that business makes up for the loss imposed by the rule.

most recent examples is the games now being played with uber and airbnb.. as they both force the question, why does the council control what i can do with my own property, and why cant i build what i want or such? (in russian a council is a soviet. and soviet union was rule by a hierarchy of councils – that might get you to think when you hear councils in the usa making rules that are equivalent to laws)

@Artfldgr, #52:

ok greg, who said this, and where:

“As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation’s economic life.

That would be the same guy who abolished trade unions shortly after coming to power, wouldn’t it?

Are you really going to quote Hitler, in 1922, as a reliable source concerning the ultimate nature and intentions of the Nazis? Here’s a news flash: The Nazis lied. A lot. They perfected lies and deception as a tool of the State. They had an entire department devoted to it, headed by Joseph Goebbels, the Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. This is like quoting David Berkowitz as an authority on mental disorders. The Nazi’s were not socialists just because they claimed to be. They were what their actions demonstrated them to be: right wing nationalist extremists; racist lunatics; fascists. The word “socialist” was bantered about and occurred in the official party name, but there wasn’t much evidence of socialist philosophy at work.

And what are you trying to claim Ludwig Von Mises was saying? He was drawing a parallel between Nazi and Bolshevist tactics, not their political philosophies.

I’ve got no time to waste on this sort of ridiculous argument. I don’t really care if you think the Oompa Loompas were a socialist organization.

Who funded Hitker? Big banks and industry , obviously they didn’t consider Hitler to be a socialist
American conservatives liked Hitler right up until Pearl
And why were the Ford factories in France or Germany never heavily bombed?

@Greg:

The Nazis lied. A lot. They perfected lies and deception as a tool of the State.

And SOCIALISTS lie… a lot. Obama lies… a lot. Hillary lies… a lot. Bernie lies… so far, not as much as the other two.

Socialist HAVE to lie, Greg, because the benefits of socialism come from soaking the producers and that is short-lived.

Had the war not destroyed Hitler, Germany would have collapsed under its debt because everything he was doing in the socialist system he had created was unsustainable… just like Obama, just like Hillary and just like Bernie.

@John:

Who funded Hitker? Big banks and industry

And who’s funding Hillary? Big banks and Wall Street (and some foreign entities). The banks and industry hoped to control Hitler, but he controlled them (socialism). Banks and Wall Street would hope to get favored treatment from Hillary under her regime (as they did under Obama), so they line her pockets. Hillary, having to, like Obama, suffer under a Constitutional system, will favor her financiers as long as the political winds blow favorably (like Obama). These are all classic traits of the socialist. If she (or Obama) gathered enough power (like Hitler), they would act in the same manner as he (Hitler) did. Obama demonstrated that with the BLM and IRS. Bernie demonstrates it with his approval of the use of Soros’ Brownshirts.

Hitler was socialist and leftist… like Obama, like Hillary, like Bernie.

@Greg: Why are you even bothering to continue on with this?

Face it, you have no FACTS with which to bolster your asseveration and you continue to prove that each time you post something.

Merely asserting that someone should ‘do your own research‘ could easily be asked of you since you can’t seem to find any facts to bolster your baseless opinions.

And trying to cast aspirations on other people with false narratives like

What I’ve found is that people who don’t know as much as they think they do often have very little insight into that deficiency. I’m aware of those areas of which I know very little. 20th Century History isn’t one of them.

Shouldn’t knowing that history give you a grasp of the facts of that history?

Let’s be blunt about the subject – trying to defend a lie with another lie PROVES NOTHING except that’s all you have at this point.

Any sources that present information that runs counter to your views will be dismissed as liberal or leftist. Wikipedia, for example, is a leftist site, never to be trusted. The fact that primary sources for the information presented there are footnoted is disregarded entirely. An article such as this one most likely won’t even be read: Far-right politics.

I have no problem with it, because I understand it in the context of the history I learned in elementary school, high school and college. There may be points I question or consider to be inadequately documented, but that’s true of most sources. Nothing can be taken as a infallible source that’s accurate 100 percent of the time. Nor can any person.

I’ve watched a lot of cable documentaries concerning the rise of National Socialism over the years. Nothing I’ve ever seen has suggested to me that the Nazis were leftists, either by action or by generally agreed upon definition. Until recently, they’d always been recognized as a right wing authoritarians, just as Stalin was recognized as a left wing authoritarian. Once you’re dealing with extreme authoritarianism, right or left becomes a bit academic.

A lot of people on the right simply want the definition to be changed, as that casts their own politics in a better light. Sorry. Their comfort and convenience is not my concern. Nor will I see Donald Trump as anything other than a disaster waiting to happen. That’s what many attentive people see, republicans as well as democrats.

@Greg:
“A lie told often enough becomes the truth.” Lenin
“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
Adolf Hitler

1. You can dispense with the spurious notion that long paragraphs of BS constitute an argument. Repeating the same tired falsehoods over and over ad nauseam does not validate them in any form.
2. Since you insist on continuing to propagate your baseless asseveration, we can approach it from this direction:
The spurious assertion is that the Socialist German Workers’ Party were supposedly ‘conservative’ – as absolutely incongruous as that is:

right wing: the part of a political group that consists of people who support conservative or traditional ideas and policies : the part of a political group that belongs to or supports the Right
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right%20wing

It should obvious that Right=Conservative

Definition of CONSERVATISM
1capitalized
b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

So if you want claim this then YOU need to show where the Socialist German Workers’ Party was calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)

And to repeat – Since YOU are making the claim, YOU have to back it up with FACTS.
DO NOT expect others to have to prove your claims with the infamous wild goose chase scam.

@Tor, #59:

And to repeat – Since YOU are making the claim, YOU have to back it up with FACTS.

I am not the one who’s making a claim that goes against the long standing norm. Most historians have viewed Hitler as a right wing extremist since the 1930s. That the National Socialists were left wing extremists was never a widely held view. It has only gained currency since the political right discovered the internet and began a campaign of historical revisionism, and it has only gained currency on the right.

You can’t tell me otherwise, because my first history classes were in the 1950s. I know what was taught because I was in the classrooms to hear it being taught. I know what the prevailing view has been for over 60 years because I’ve been here and have paid attention for that long.

Maybe you should argue with this guy. He’s apparently more annoyed by your revisionist bullshit than I am. There’s a comment section where you can blow steam out your ears, or, more in line with the tone of your nominee’s rhetoric, wherever it comes out of:

Debunking The “Nazis Were Leftists” Lie

I am not the one who’s making a claim that goes against the long standing norm. Most historians have viewed Hitler as a right wing extremist since the 1930s.

Then it should be EASY for you to find references that state this, so far you have FAILED in this endeavour.

Again, Read what I wrote:

Please include Plenty of EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites to bolster your assertions.

It should obvious that Right=Conservative

Definition of CONSERVATISM
1capitalized
b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

So if you want claim this then YOU need to show where the Socialist German Workers’ Party was calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)

And to repeat – Since YOU are making the claim, YOU have to back it up with FACTS.
DO NOT expect others to have to prove your claims with the infamous wild goose chase scam.

I seem to recognize your argumentative style, with that tendency to make a claim and then assert that it’s true unless someone can provide evidence that it isn’t. I’m never sure if multiple persons use different names, or if there are a number of people who don’t understand how obvious a burden of proof fallacy is.

Debunking The “Nazis Were Leftists” Lie

Hitler Was Not a Leftist

Hitler/Nazis are Right Wing and not Left Wing. Don’t be fooled by lies.

Right-Wingers’ Favorite Canard: “Nazis were Socialist Leftists,” when all their beliefs were Rightist.

Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist? Debunking a Historical Myth

Hitler’s own definition of a socialist:

“Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of his nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, Deutschland, Deutschland, über Alles, to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land, land and people — that man is a Socialist.”

Nope. That’s not really the generally accepted definition of a socialist. That’s Hitler, turning the meaning of a word to his own decidedly non-socialist purposes. If you want to let Hitler rewrite the dictionary, I suppose you can then use his definition as an argument. However, what he has said would fit most people’s definition of a right wing nationalist.

I seem to recognize your argumentative style, with that tendency to make a claim and then assert that it’s true unless someone can provide evidence that it isn’t.

Really, didn’t you just state:

I am not the one who’s making a claim that goes against the long standing norm.

In pshcholcial terms, that’s called Projecting.

Again, DO NOT expect others to have to prove your claims with the infamous wild goose chase scam.

That means posting bare links the may or may not prove YOUR point.

Again, as I said previously: Please include Plenty of EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites to bolster your assertions.

It’s incumbent on YOU to do the research and find the EXCERPTS from authentic reference and post them.

What you’ve is hardly a step above posting the results from a search engine.

I’ve already proven my point , why can’t you?

Hitler and the socialist dream
He declared that ‘national socialism was based on Marx’ Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

George Watson
Sunday 22 November 1998
It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone’s disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan “Crusade against Marxism” as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly.

His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. “I have learned a great deal from Marxism” he once remarked, “as I do not hesitate to admit”. He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that “they had never even read Marx”, implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been “a private Russian affair”, whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun”, adding revealingly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

Yep. Right wingers are cranking out their own revisionist history books, too. They’re a dime a dozen on Amazon. I always appreciate statements that open with leads such as “It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt,” which is generally alerts the critical reader to the fact that some sort of bullshit assertion is coming up.

Maybe time would be better spent trying to figure out what Donald Trump’s real intentions are. It’s always better to do that ahead of time instead of 84 years later.

@Greg:

Maybe time would be better spent trying to figure out what Donald Trump’s real intentions are.

Well done Artfldgr and Tor. Greg’s getting desperate. He starts by running off to his favorite web-reference, quoting the Wiki-verse as if it were a legitimate unbiased site. (Even after he has been informed numerous times that no serious debater accepts Wiki-pages as a legitimate source.) Now here goes Greggie trying to change the subject yet again.

Greg probably doesn’t even know that there was one American President that Hitler idolized. That was Progressive Democrat Woodrow Wilson, who was also an elitist, fascist and racist. Hitler admired Wilson’s propaganda machine and patterned the Nazi Party’s after it. After Woodrow’s administration, the Democrats dropped the hated term “progressive” from their vocabulary like a hot potato until just recently. when they have tried to re-introduce it again, to use it (just as Wilson did) as an euphemism for their psedo-Fabian fascist-socialist oligarchy.

Oh, and news alert for Greg! Sanders is a nationalist-socialist who claims to be for the workers and little people. Welcome back to the 1930’s.

@Greg:

Maybe time would be better spent trying to figure out what Donald Trump’s real intentions are.

Sure, now that we know what was behind Hillary’s use of her secret, private, unsecured email server.

Based on the government’s report (not the “vast right wing conspiracy”), she did not want FOIA requests to mine her emails, knew she was violating the rules, failed to report hacking of her server and, although she wants to get is “all out into the open”, she would not cooperate with the IG investigation. Neither would her little buddy Huma.

YOU worry about Trump. YOU worry about the left wing socialist being hung on your buddy Hitler. Based on more and more confirmations of my worst suspicions, I am concerned more with a corrupt, lying incompetent getting any more access to government information or power.

Greg
So the best you can offer are more baseless attacks?@Ditto:

Thank you – you’ll not that he failed to even address some of the earlier facts that I’ve presented and the best he can muster are childish ad hominem attacks bereft of reality.

@Tor:In addition to his hardcore far left beliefs, that is what he is known for here. I don’t bother reading his posts anymore. They are all tired, old leftist b.s. He acts as though we are all ignorant to his past here. It’s either gross arrogance, a substance abuse problem, or the beginnings of dementia. You and Artfldgr have utterly destroyed him on this thread.

@Ditto: Isn’t it amazing at the what the left uses to support their arguments? I read an excerpt from one of Tony Judt’s last pieces of work. In it, he essentially argued for the merits of socialism and Keynesian economics, which isn’t a surprise given his Marxist roots. To back up his arguments, he utilized graphs that “proved” his points. The graphs all had an ‘x’ and ‘y’ axis along with a line. None of the axis’s were labeled as to what they were for. In addition, there were no values given nor were any references as to where he got his data. We were just supposed to accept his word that whatever was depicted in those graphs, supported his argument. In addition, I checked out his claims on life expectancy against the CIA World Factbook and found those to be total bullshit. Yet he is regarded as one of the most highly respected European historians (he died shortly after writing this book). And to think he was one of the best the left has(d) to offer.

@Ditto, #66:

Well done Artfldgr and Tor. Greg’s getting desperate.

Greg is becoming weary of talking to people who haven’t got the wits to figure out what Hitler was in retrospect, and who aren’t prescient enough to see that Trump could be serious trouble, if not major disaster.

You probably imagine world leaders and foreign diplomats are freaking out because they’re afraid Trump’s straightforward manner, diplomatic skills and superior intellect will put them all at a disadvantage.

Greg is becoming weary of talking to people who haven’t got the wits to figure out what Hitler was in retrospect, and who aren’t prescient enough to see that Trump could be serious trouble, if not major disaster.

Greg is tired of getting “p’owned” because he he can’t prove his historically inaccurate argument.

Greg is scared witless because it’s coming down to the wire and his queen is fighting against a fellow socialist with a nationalist “workers” campaign that mirrors that of Hitler.

Donald Trump, President of Idiocracy: Intelligent, informed politicians like Paul Ryan are cheaply dismissed as the establishment

Indeed, they all have been. The author, S.E. Cupp, is a republican and conservative commentator. She has little use for Clinton or Sanders, either. But hey—at least they’re not dangerous idiots.

Looks like Trump’s afraid to debate Bernie—or at least his advisors are.
Don’t blame em—Bernie’s a loose cannon like Trump–anything could happen.

It’s just another 180° reversal. Probably no one in the one-size-fits-all red hat brigade will even notice.

Hopefully, he will change his mind; to debate Bernie makes Hillary look like the cowardly liar she is and, of course, Trump would mop the floor with Bernie.

@Bill: Oh you adoring Trumpists—only in your eyes would he beat Bernie–you’ve rejected a true Conservative for a loose cannon foul mouthed Populist who is out polled 51%-39% RCP by Bernie–you are better served debating a known HRC—Trump’s advisors know this.—Bernie will call him gutless and his ego may put him in. WE’D ALL LOVE TO SEE IT.

Trump would be revealed for the know-nothing he is if he were to debate either Clinton or Sanders. I’ll be greatly surprised if he doesn’t come up with excuses for dodging both of them.

@Greg: Greggie, just when I though you couldn’t be more of a moronic libturd than you are you say something like this. Clinton won’t even debate Sanders. Also why should Trump bother with a candidate with NO chance to win the nomination of his own party? Tell me this Greggie, if Cruz asked Hilldabeast to debate do you really think she would accept?? It’s hilldabeast who has the excuses Greggie!!

Trump is a know-nothing. Listen closely to what he’s saying sometime. His statements are evasive and sophomoric. His positions spin around like a weather vane. No one can be certain if he’s a republican or a democrat, but it hardly matters because he’d be a poor example of either. I can’t believe a majority of American voters won’t see this.

If I’m wrong about that, they’ll find out how inept he is some time after he’s in office. There will be consequences.

Trump, in California, Friday, May 27. The article is from FOX:

FRESNO, Calif. (AP) — Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump told California voters Friday that he can solve their water crisis, declaring, “There is no drought.”

California is, in fact, in midst of a drought. Last year capped the state’s driest four-year period in its history, with record low rainfall and snow.

Speaking at a rally in Fresno, Calif., Trump accused state officials of denying water to Central Valley farmers so they can send it out to sea “to protect a certain kind of three-inch fish.”

“We’re going to solve your water problem. You have a water problem that is so insane. It is so ridiculous where they’re taking the water and shoving it out to sea,” Trump said at a rally that drew thousands.

He hasn’t got a clue what he’s talking about. He doesn’t care, and his supporters don’t care either.

He hasn’t got a clue what he’s talking about. He doesn’t care, and his supporters don’t care either.

Greg’s staring in the mirror and talking about himself again.

@Richard Wheeler:

I didn’t reject anyone. However, Trump is now the nominee and it is of supreme importance that neither Hillary, the corrupt, lying incompetent that got a consulate sacked, Americans killed and US national security information made available to anyone that had the wherewithal to seek it out. Just as important that he defeat a sworn socialist and self-professed misogynist that has no problem employing violence to silence the opposition.

So, those are our choices; a corrupt liar that has repeatedly endangered US security and lives, a socialist that hangs on his failed ideology regardless of the failed examples all around, or a brash, but successful, entrepreneur with real-world experiences and accomplishments. Non-support of Trump is support for the other two failure-merchants.

@Greg:

Trump would be revealed for the know-nothing he is if he were to debate either Clinton or Sanders.

Clinton cannot utter a complete sentence without lying and Sanders supports an econo-government system that has brought failure, ruin, hunger and violence all around the world. Yeah, Trump is the dummy there.

Trump is a know-nothing. Listen closely to what he’s saying sometime. His statements are evasive and sophomoric.

Oh… you prefer specificity. I see. Like “Hope and Change”, for instance? Like, “you can keep your insurance… your doctor” or “not one thin dime in tax increases”? Or, how about Hillary, promising illegal immigrants citizenship even though she has NO MEANS whatsoever of achieving it? Or, how she brashly manipulates statements to support her false claims of racism she repeatedly levels at Trump? How about Bernie promising to rack up $18 trillion in new debt without a hint on how to pay for any of it?

No, you don’t require answers… you only want liberalism, no matter how much it fails. You cannot open your mind on millimeter.

FRESNO, Calif. (AP) — Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump told California voters Friday that he can solve their water crisis, declaring, “There is no drought.”

http://ww2.kqed.org/science/2016/02/29/california-reservoirs-are-dumping-water-in-a-drought-but-science-could-change-that/

http://thepeoplesrepublicofcalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/03/california-reservoirs-are-dumping-water.html

http://joeforamerica.com/2015/04/california-dumps-trillion-gallons-fresh-water-ocean-declares-water-shortage/

Gosh, Greg… Trump is so stupid and clueless… not smart like a liberal.

@Bill, #83:

California reservoirs aren’t filled to maximum capacity during periods of predictable winter rain because unexpected storms would then result in floods. The article points that out. Have you suddenly found faith in computer weather models? The author apparently thinks they can be relied upon to the point of risking property and public safety. Your second link is to the same article, cloned to some far right website.

The third link has to do with Trump’s 3-inch fish meme. It exploits localized anger over water allocation among competing industries and interests during a time of shortage, possibly drawing unconsciously on the backstory from Chinatown to lend the argument an air of credibility.

The truth is that there actually has been a drought in California, that such a shortage will always be felt, and that making any one competing interest totally happy would be at the expense of somebody else. Water does run down rivers to the sea. Even in times of drought. You can’t totally turn off rivers to the exclusive benefit of a particular area of farms without creating serious consequences somewhere else, for someone else.

That, of course, goes deeper into an issue that Donald Trump will ever get. He just wants to exploit a useful, superficial political meme. That’s all he does with any issue. And the one-size-fits-all red hat brigade are apparently content with not knowing what lies deeper—not only with the issues, but with the person of Donald Trump himself. He’s whatever they want to imagine him to be. Until after the election.

@Greg: Greggie, do you recall what your government did in Colorado?? Think of all the water resources moonbeam will waste on his train to nowhere. I’m sure you will find a way to blame Republicans for that one also!!

@Greg: And you think Bernie or hilldabeast are better Greggie?? Hilldabeast has already demonstrated her incompetence while she blamed a vast right wing conspiracy for slicks hummer in the white house and a video for Benghazi. Trump has issues but he at least created real jobs, a self made success, and NOT a politician. These are three attributes that hilldabeast nor bernie can claim!!

Trump has issues but he at least created real jobs, a self made success, and NOT a politician.

Trump has left a series of failed and bankrupted corporate projects behind him, pulling his personal ejection lever just ahead of each crash. What do you think happened to the people employed by Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts, for example, or to other investors who owned 62 percent of that particular aircraft? What happened to the employees and bond holders of the Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City?

Trump is successful. That doesn’t mean the wrecks didn’t happen. Trump advances himself by taking risks with playing pieces, and by writing off lost games and moving on to the next project. He personally wins more bets than he loses. But how does that work when you’re heading a nation, rather than an expendable corporation?

@Greg: Did you suddenly LOSE faith in the global warming myth? Without the snow, there would be no threats to the reservoirs? Yet the reservoirs keep getting full enough to dump water. If only there was some common sense in liberal California, they could easily solve their problem; it ain’t a lack of water.

Trump exploits issues? You mean like the left exploits gun control, racism, sexual-stupidity or national security? All Trump exploits is liberal stupidity, and that is easy.

@Greg: And Greggie, who was the last perfect President who didn’t make mistakes?? Not Slick, not Obola, not Bush, not Carter, and not Nixon. So what, everyone makes mistakes!! They all headed our nation and made mistakes. Your argument is pure BS Greggie!! It’s called the real world. Obola lied to America and it was a mistake and 6 million Americans lost their health insurance Greggie!! Yet you think his health care scam is a success.

From The Fiscal Times, May 27, 2016: Trumpification of the Congressional Agenda Begins

As the last pockets of resistance to Donald Trump within the Republican Party establishment begin to crumble, House Speaker Paul Ryan is fighting a rear-guard action, trying to preserve a small piece policy making territory within the GOP. In furtherance of that goal, he announced on Thursday that the House would begin rolling out an ambitious policy agenda called “Confident America.

The agenda will lay out proposals in six different areas: poverty and opportunity, tax reform, regulatory reform, national security, healthcare, and what Ryan refers to as “constitutional authority,” mainly focusing on rolling back President Obama’s executive actions.

So, the GOP is rolling out a proposal to rein in Executive Office authority—as they simultaneously roll over in submission to Donald Trump, who just might have the single biggest ego on the planet. Do they really think they’re going to get this guy under their control, after he’s already taken control from them?

@Greg: Anything that rolls back Obola’s failed presidency in defense of our constitution is a good thing Greggie. As far as having the biggest ego on the planet Greggie, that would be reserved for Slick!!

“We will have so much winning if I get elected that you may get bored with winning.”

“I have millions of followers. Millions. I don’t do press releases anymore. If I want a press release, I put it out on Twitter…. It’s like owning the New York Times without the losses.”

“I have some of the best Web sites in the world.”

“I happen to be, in my own way, an environmentalist. I’ve won many awards.”

“I have great feelings of compassion and helping people.”

“It turned out to be, probably, by everybody’s count, the biggest-selling business book of all time. There’s never been a business book that’s sold like ‘Trump: The Art of the Deal.’”

“It all began with the great success of Trump Tower — best location in New York, most visible building, the highest-rate retail space than anywhere in the world. Gucci is there as my primary tenant.”

“The Old Post Office… is going to be spectacular. We are building something that’s going to be amazing. It’s going to be one of the great hotels of the world.”

“I felt like I was in the military in a true sense, because I dealt with the people.”

“When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different.”

OK, I might actually believe that last statement.

“I said nothing wrong! Because I never finished my statement. Remember I said, ‘Like blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever.’ I was talking her ears or her nose,” Trump claimed. “Everyone was talking, ‘Oh, that’s terrible what he said.’ I didn’t say anything!”

Trump, who spent months after the debate ranting about Kelly online, claimed he “never even finished” because he didn’t care about the Fox host.

“You know why I didn’t finish the sentence? Because I love what I am doing so much. And I didn’t want to waste any more time,” he said. “Who cares?”

“So when I didn’t finish the sentence, they all figured coming from some place else,” he added. ”And because they have all dirty minds — I never even thought of about it. I was thinking of ears or nose. But that’s it.”

Actually, that might bump him up from first grade level to fourth or fifth grade level rudeness.

A man attempts to express a dissenting opinion at a Trump rally. Watch what happens.

Maybe his assailant didn’t like what the flag on his shirt stands for.

@Greg:

A man attempts to express a dissenting opinion at a Trump rally. Watch what happens

You sort of conveniently ignore, forget, or pretend hasn’t happened the events at Trump rallies in Chicago, New Mexico, California and Arizona… violence instigated by Soros-funded and instigated Bernie and Hillary supporters. These thugs need to be beaten and it needs to be celebrated.

For far too long, the left, the purveyors of the violent protest, have acted with impunity as they try to intimidate with their violent attacks. It’s way past time to begin giving back what is being received from these left wing thugs.

Oh, and wearing a shirt made from the US flag is not necessarily a clear sign of patriotism.

@Bill, #94:

“You sort of conveniently ignore, forget, or pretend hasn’t happened the events at Trump rallies in Chicago, New Mexico, California and Arizona… violence instigated by Soros-funded and instigated Bernie and Hillary supporters. These thugs need to be beaten and it needs to be celebrated.”

And there we have it, plainly stated.

What do you think the protesters are upset about? They understand what’s been said and who it’s directed against.

@Greg: What are they upset about? Most have no idea. They have been bused in, handed a payment and a sign and told to go at it. Some are angry over Trump wanting to deport all immigrants… which is, of course, a blatant lie they have been fed, which they are quite simply too stupid to know the facts of.

And many are upset over the crumbling of the liberal agenda. They are upset over the upcoming loss of power. Upset over not having an answer for the failure of their entire agenda. The left has worked themselves up into a violent frenzy because that is the only way they know how to react. So, like any other spoiled brat, they stamp their feet, roll on the floor, throw rocks at the opposition and cops, open fire at rallies and burn cop cars and private property.

I thought the right was the violent threat. Turns out it has been the left all along. So, yea, as Obama says, if they bring a knife, we’ll bring a gun.

@Bill:

What are they upset about? Most have no idea. They have been bused in, handed a payment and a sign and told to go at it.

I imagine a few might be upset that a President Trump might take away Socialist Claus’ big bag of freebies that Bernie and Hillary are promising the selfish “gimme-gimme-gimme!” leeches.

I learned long ago that a good many people who sponge off others, can get very violent when their gravy-train is taken away.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they’re telling us what we’re getting.”

Trump has made similar comments at numerous political rallies. You wouldn’t expect angry Hispanics who take pride in their nation of origin to show up and wave flags in the face of such public insults? A person would have to be totally clueless not to expect such a reaction.

Words matter. There’s little question what words like these can encourage and provoke. Listen closely.

Telemundo Journalist Caught on Video Staging Anti-Trump Protesters

A cameraman for Spanish language television network Telemundo was caught on video admitting to staging anti-Trump protesters outside Donald Trump’s San Diego rally on Friday.

Filmmaker Andrew Marcus was documenting the protest when he caught the Telemundo cameraman getting anti-Trump protesters to pose for a shot and how to display their Mexican flag.

“Hey hey, ho ho, Donald Trump has got to go” chanted marching anti-Trump protesters at the opening of Marcus’s video which was posted to the website Rebel Pundit.

“Turn it around. It’s upside down,” the Telemundo cameraman told the protesters as he gestured to get two protesters to turn their Mexican flag right-side up and facing forward. One of the protesters holding the flag was holding a “f**k Trump” sign in his opposite hand.

“Is that the media staging a shot?” Marcus called out. “Is Telemundo staging a shot?”

The camera-wielding Telemundo journalist mustered the response, “Uh, probably.”

As Marcus pressed further the journalist said simply, “What do you want me to do man? I’m not part of the protest bra.”

When asked why he, as a self-professed member of the media, was directing protesters, the journalist told Marcus, “f**k you man, I needa work.”

Marcus said that he was harassed by protesters and confirmed news posted on the Rebel Pundit website that his face was spit on.

Marcus told Breitbart News, “I had multiple people grab my camera. Others tried to grab stuff out of my hands. I filmed people throwing eggs. When I confronted them on camera to ask why they were throwing eggs they threatened to break my camera.”

A female protester defended the anti-Trumper that spit on Marcus’ face. He recounted the incident, “The girls said I should leave the kid alone because he was a minor. She was indeed anti-Trump.”

When asked about his overall of experience with protesters outside the San Diego Trump rally, Marcus recalled:

They were very aggressive and created a very dangerous and confrontational situation on the ground. The police did a great job of keeping people safe and shutting down the protesters who were harassing Trump supporters.

Marcus’s account correlated with reporting from Breitbart News that many anti-Trump protesters were hostile toward others. As police tried to clear the street in front of the rally venue in the hours after the event ended, protesters could be heard not only chanting “f**k Donald Trump,” but also “f**k the police.”

@Greg:

Illegal immigrants commit murders near ICE headquarters
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/fbi-illegal-alien-gang-members-murdered-victims-30-minutes-us-immigration-headquarters

Illegal immigrant groping teenage girls in pool
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2015/07/10/eliazar-rivas-rodriguez-illegal-gropes-teens-in-crotch-michigan/

Illegal immigrants involved in hit and run accidents
http://abc11.com/news/another-illegal-immigrant-accused-of-hit-and-run/841448/

Illegal immigrant kidnaps, rapes 13 year old
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/13/mexican-illegal-alien-arrested-for-allegedly-kidnapping-raping-13-year-old/

Liberals KNOW Trump was accurate and how much harm is done by illegal immigrants
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/its-ok-that-illegals-murder-americans-as-long-as-they-vote-for-democrats/

Cash, drugs and weapons captured on Texas border
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/08/24/South-Texas-Authorities-Seize-Over-600000-In-Cash-Weapons-And-Grenades

Trump absolutely correct about illegal immigrant education
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/sorry-donald-trump-has-a-point-119662.html#ixzz3ekkcTrek

If you don’t want to hear such disturbing facts, join with those who want to correct the problem instead of those ignoring the facts and making it worse.