For the last eight years I’ve been shaking my head, simply bewildered that so many Americans could be so insane as to vote for Barack Obama for president. Not surprisingly, once Obama was ensconced in the White House things played out pretty much as predicted with virtually every month bringing new news of a faltering economy, a shrinking workforce and more government waste, intervention and tyranny. In 2012, after Fast and Furious, the IRS Tea Party scandal, Obamacare and, most of all, Benghazi, I was sure that Americans would rise up and throw out the anti American Obama and vote for the less than conservative, but exponentially superior Mittens Romney. Alas, the population spoke, and they doubled down on the fascist living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
I was certain that year that if only a real conservative who could eloquently articulate the basic tenets of small government and fiscal responsibility had run he would have won by a landslide. After all, wasn’t it obvious that Barack Obama was the worst president in American history and the Democrats were rapidly devolving into open Socialism? But as we know, there was no such conservative running and Milquetoast Mitt was shellacked.
Now, in 2016 we find ourselves in an utterly different situation. We have a rock solid conservative running for the White House. Who can and does eloquently articulate the ideas behind our founding principles of limited government, individual liberty as well as the fundamental idea of American Exceptionalism. Yet, somehow he’s losing the GOP nomination fight… to a guy who’s a big government crony capitalist who has spent most of his life supporting Democrats and their liberal policies. Essentially he’s losing to a vapid populist whose idea of debating is throwing insults and lies around like confetti rather than providing substantive positions on practically any issue.
The next couple of weeks will tell the story, but the fact that we are at this point says a lot about the United States and the American people. That half the population are voting for an avowed socialist or a socialist in liberal clothing is sad. That one third of the remainder are actively supporting a populist candidate with little understanding of the issues at stake never mind the concepts of limited government, free markets and individual freedom upon which this country was founded, is disheartening.
The United States is not a democracy and never has been. We are a republic with a separation of powers and limited government that are unique in the history of government. It was that limited government and the companion individual liberties upon which the government is not to tread that created more prosperity for more people around the world than any government, state or entity in all of human history. Today all of that is in peril as almost 2/3 of the population are seemingly prepared to travel down a path of dismantling the limitations on government our Founding Fathers put in place.
After eight years under a president who decried the Constitution as a “Charter of negative liberties” the next president will have a choice. Either bring the progressive attack on the Constitution and freedom to a halt or pick up where Obama leaves off and continue down that path. Unfortunately, three of the four remaining candidates – John Kasich doesn’t count as a real candidate – are more than happy to jettison the Constitution and pander to the masses. Whether it’s Germany or Argentina or Venezuela, such populist movements rarely turn out well.
Populist movements share one underlying characteristic… they seek to harness the anger of the mob. Once the shackles of constitutional limits are thrown off, there is little to restrain government or the people other than the character of the leaders, and often that’s simply not enough. As Maximilien Robespierre learned, the consequences of doing so can be, shall we say, unforeseen… and unfortunate.
Today we see just such a mob mentality in the GOP race, and it starts at the top. Donald Trump claims the will of the people is being thwarted whenever he loses. He suggests the rules are tilted against him and therefore should be ignored. He’s even suggested that if he doesn’t walk away with the nomination despite not reaching 1,237, there will be riots. His followers have taken to preemptively threatening delegates to the convention if they don’t support him. Even his cheerleader Rush Limbaugh has suggested that if the Donald isn’t given the nomination his supporters will go nuclear. None of that bodes well for the future. If the threat of mob violence and anarchy are enough to do away with the rules when Trump has nothing but a vocal minority of GOP voters on his side, what chance do Constitutional restraints on government have when he is in charge of the entire government infrastructure?
The American people have twice put in office a man with a demonstrated antagonism towards the Constitution and he has spent the last eight years trampling on it. Once that bell has been rung, it’s hard to unring, and history has shown that the siren call of power is hard to resist, even for those without Donald Trump’s HUUUUGE ego. There are four candidates for president remaining. Three of them will pick up where Barack Obama leaves off and continue the progressive march towards the fall of the Republic because they see government as nothing more than an instrument for imposing their ideas on the population. And then there is Ted Cruz, who would turn back virtually everything Barack Obama has done because he understands the value of a strong Constitution, a limited government and a free people.
Emerging from Independence Hall after the Constitutional Convention, Ben Franklin was asked by a woman what kind of government we had. Franklin replied “A Republic, if you can keep it.” One can’t help but wonder if Americans are willing to vote to keep their republic and the rule of law or are instead going to finally pass the torch to the tyranny of the mob, also known as democracy.
MOS #8541
The congress over the last seven years has failed to carry out the expectations of the American people or the conscripts of the Constitution.
The impeachment of the entire congress should be undertaken
The illegal immigrant in the wipe house is a historical stain upon American history, the legacy that is left in one of shame and disgust.
The leaders of the world no longer listen to him or acknowledge him.
he is a muslim terrorist, history will soon demonstrate this fact. CIA has long known about his activities.
Nanny G
Vince,
You would have loved to be in Utah during their caucus/primary.
They set up a totally failed electronic absentee voting system.
59,000 Utahns used it and failed to cast any vote.
All Election Day those people were told via media and at the caucus sites that, having already tried to cast a ballot and failed, they would NOT be allowed to ”vote twice.”
So, they stayed home.
But, as the night went on, and it looked like Cruz’ victory would not be enough for a full state delegate sweep, officials came around to caucus rooms (not on media, not to the folks at home) and said that now permission was granted for all those failed votes to be recast in person.
With less than an hour to go Cruz’ numbers rose from 52% of the vote (not enough to sweep) to 79% of the votes cast.
Those 59,000 voters’ names were all crossed off the list as having come in and voted.
It stunk to high heaven.
But that’s not the end of the corruption of the Mormon running of the state.
After a few more state elections these same Mormon leaders saw that Trump might just be the nominee.
So, they came out and told their flock that they would all be voting for BERNIE should Trump be the Republican nominee!
This state is/was the reddest of all red states.
But it is a partial theocracy.
And the leaders of that majority church (49% of all adults are Mormons) are ordering Bernie votes over Republican votes.
Paternalism is alive and well.
Paternalistic pundits.
Paternalistic religious leaders.
BUT…..America’s youth are about as anti-paternalistic as possible. They have tantrums and expect to get their way on everything.
No wonder the pundits and religious leaders are failing when they use paternalism to try to gain their support.
John
After Rush has demanded NO COMPROMISE of course it was going to be mob rule
And who are you going to blame for Clinton’s nominee being confirmed in SCOTUS?
Most Americans think Cruz is too extreme he advocates no abortion for rape or invest how do youbthinkbthat goes over with the girls?
Tor
First of all, Excellent article Vince, do you mind if I excerpt it to post elsewhere?
Now to respond to the substance of what your wrote.
In his penultimate movie entitled America, Dinesh D’Souza pointed out that up until the formation of the untied states the paradigm has been rule by force.
This being military force or simply numerical advantages or what have you, it was always those who had the better weapons or more people who ruled over those without these things. In essence it’s been mob rule that decided the fate of everyone. Individuals – the smallest minority – did not have any rights, save that which was granted by the collective rights of the mob.
The Rule of law set up by the founding fathers changed all of that – people were now governed by the Limited power of the government and not by the transitory whims of the mob. People had freedom because in essence the mob was restricted on what it could do to individuals.
One of the more disturbing elements of the primary season is that the Donners are reverting to this mob or ‘populist’ mentality.
Don’t like the nomination process, threaten delegates with harm if they don’t acquiesce to the mob.
Don’t like that some have more money, raise taxes on the wealthy and take at the point of a gun.
This is part of the problem that you have pointed out here, and if one mob can dictate certain actions.. what’s to stop a bigger mob from dictating contravening actions?
James Felix
Mob rule, or at least the aspiration to mob rule, was already established on the Left over a decade ago. That such a large portion of the Right has decided to emulate them shows that the American experiment is headed towards failure.
Large majorities of both parties have no knowledge of history, flimsy critical thinking skills and no ability to participate in an actual argument.
The weakness of the US Constitution is that it requires a population that is both educated and engaged in order to function. We have neither, and the culmination of that is an election where a thuggish big-government crony capitalist will be taking on a different thuggish big-government crony capitalist. As I’ve said before, this will not end well.
John
When inflammatory language such as the first commentator used is deemed acceptable by any party how can you pretend to be surprised when the mob assembles with torches and pitchforks?
John
As for raising taxes on the rich 50 years ago when the maximum rate was much higher our country Was prosperous
another vet
Excellent post, Vince. About the only correction I can make would be changing this:
We are a republic with a separation of powers and limited government that are unique in the history of government.
To this: We were a republic with a separation of powers and limited government that were unique in the history of government.
Bill
Nowadays, one has to search for the facts among what the corrupt liberal medi offers as “news”. What does anyone know about Cruz other than “he shut down the government”? Do they know that, other than the pain the administration intentionally inflicted, there was hardly a ripple causes the the shutdown? Or that Obama later, illegal and unilaterally, imposed the exact same thing Cruz was filibustering to accomplish legally? Do they know he actually HAS conservative principles and (like it or not) will endure whatever happens to stand by them? Most likely not.
Conservatives decline to throw their hat in the ring because of the hammering they receive from the media that supports the liberal candidate in every case. Now that the families become collateral damage, we lose, I think, a lot of good candidates.
Bruce Fauth
Exactly what I was going to say, past tense. And that, in and of itself IMHO, is part of the reason that Trump has such support. When it appears that there is a Uniparty with the SQRLS branch not doing a thing different than the party of Evil branch, then they are done with anyone having any ties to it. And that includes Ted and his ties to Bushes and Goldman Sachs which owns both branches.
John
The Media !!!
Americans have a wide variety of media choices conservatives complain tha Americans don’t all watch Fox News
On the internet you have daily caller brier art drudge
Yet you still whine about the media stop claiming victimization!
You have rush
Stop crying about the media
John
Educated ??? Most Americans didn’t graduate from high school in the 40s
Keep families off limits in campaigns ??? Tell me how many times on this site I saw references to Bill Clinton having some sort of unapproved sex
Or Chelsea Clinton
Of course some how the best way to excuse it is to just say it is the fault of the liberals
The liberals are the reason why any conservative ever does anything wrong
Bill
@John: Amost all the newspapers, all network “news”, PBS, Kos, Media Matters, Huffington all bear far left. Don’t pretend the vast majority of information AND entertainment media (which many, many liberals confuse with fact) is anything but leftist propaganda.
Greg
If you take the first comment up above as your current position, left would be your direction of travel if you wish to get to reality. Pack some granola bars and top up your canteen. It could be a pretty long hike.
Mully
@John:
You seem to have tunnel vision on history. That old taxes were higher 50 years ago and the country was prosperous, as if there is some connection, is foolish on it’s face.
First of all virtually no one paid the highest tax rate as there were numerous deductions long since eliminated. Second it was shortly after WWII and the US was about the only game in town. Europe was mostly rubble. China and Russia were not economic powers, they were mostly agrarian. Japan was a non factor. There was a lot of pent up demand in the US after the war and we didn’t have to recover from cities being bombed, so we prospered. It had nothing to so with emptying people wallets through high taxes to hand it over to Washington.
But if you think paying more to the government will help, start writing checks, the US treasury will cash them.
John
@Bill: Bill ibdontbpretend that the vast majority of media that Americans choose to consume would be called leftist by you
Your problem with the media is that YOU do not approve of what other Americans choose
You want them to use more media that you think is better for them
Don’t pretend that most Americans somehow want more right wing media but don’t have the opportunity because leftists are somehow forcing them to consume leftist propaganda
During the prime time news hour about 10% of Americans choose to watch Fox News mist want ABC CBS or NBCno one is forcing them
John
@Mully:
Ok
Let’s not go back 40 years ago
Let’s try 30 years ago
If youvwerecto business and had a very good year with money left over and you had 2 choices pay a large tax on your profit or reduce that tax liability by investing it in infrastructure or human resources which would you do ?
Government? Or reinvest?
John
@Mully:
Most Americans feel that the rich should be paying more
Apparently you don’t
Many are also concerned that the extremely wealthy are turning this country into a political oligarchy
Apparently you do not
Trump Cruz and Clinton looks like you will be happy no matter who wins as they certainly will not be raising taxes on the super wealthy
Bookdoc
@John:
The problem as I see it is not the taxing of the rich. We are generally taxing those trying to become rich. That makes it more difficult and can be discouraging. Many of the richest people have taxable incomes far below their wealth level. and have accounting groups handling all their wealth to minimize taxes. I do think it’s funny that families with the most owned wealth (non-taxed) got it from someone else that worked for it-possibly as crookedly as the kennedy clan-but still earned. People who get unearned wealth seem to turn socialist as they do not have any idea of the value of work. Even funnier is that if the socialist revolution does take place, they’ll be the first to get the chop.
I am for a flat tax.
vince
@Tor: Thank you for that. Please feel free to quote it or link to it.
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Bill
@John: See, I think the media should be neither right wing or left wing. I don’t want a “balance”, I want all the media to report the news. Unfortunately, they don’t and they chose to leave out much of it that shows like real failure.
Kauf Buch
Cruz is a FRAUD.
Cruz is a SNAKE.
It’s easy to appear to be noble, principled and conservative when you know from the outset that your “causes” have no chance of succeeding in the first place.
Cruz SUPPORTS massive immigration AND the Trans Pacific Trade fiasco:
* May 2015 – Cruz creates a “Fast Track” Trans Pacific trade rider to attach to TPA, which changes the vote threshold for approval/disapproval to a simple majority – thereby ensuring its passage. Cruz also votes down an Amendment requiring congressional notification prior to China/Russia joining deal.
* June/July 2015 – Cruz votes against his own TPA bill (PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY), though the rider created ensures its passage.
Cruz is consciously acting as a PUPPET of the GOP Establishment by playing the spoiler. Should blocking Trump be successful, the GOPe THEN has the choice, either to:
1) sweep Cruz to the side and go with some as-of-yet-unannounced GOPe toady “fresh face”
(which would mean the automatic suicide of the GOP),
OR
2) finagle a way to hand Cruz the nomination (which would be only a Pyrrhic Victory)
followed by millions of Democrat and Independent crossover voters
(plus the Trump supporting GOP Base) walking away from Cruz,
giving America a President Clinton.
Option #2 above gives the GOPe the advantage of being able to not only
save face (i.e. try to salvage a chance of viability for the future) by projecting blame
but also being able to say, “See? A conservative can NEVER win!”
In either case, with Trump out of the way,
the GOPe can maintain the Status Quo of control of power
by having their Democrat elite “relative” Hillary win…
…AND CRUZ IS CONSCIOUSLY GOING ALONG WITH EVERY BIT OF THIS.
At this point, the GOPe is utterly schizophrenic,
trying *anything* to appear fair, all while sabotaging Trump.
They claim, ”We need a bigger tent,”
BUT: they only use this as an excuse to move their policies closer to the Socialist Democrats.
Then they claim, ”We need more conservatives, not radicals like Trump,”
BUT: they say that, all while sabotaging REAL conservatives like Chris McDaniels, Dave Brat and others.
They don’t want a “bigger tent.”
They don’t want more conservatives.
The GOPe only wants MORE SLAVES ON THEIR ESTABLISHMENT PLANTATION…
…and to USE CRUZ to preserve their Status Quo.
Mully
@John:
I guess you’ve never seen the breakdown of who actually pays taxes in this country. Which is why we should not make law based on “feelings”. I am not one who believes all of my earnings should go to the government and they decide how much I get back to live on as you obviously do.
It’s also rather strange people like Obama and Clinton want to raise taxes yet they use every deduction and tax dodge they can to pay as little as possible. Example: http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/25/exclusive-kerry-heinz-family-has-millions-invested-in-offshore-tax-havens/
It was JFK who advocated for lower taxes to spur economic growth. He was right. Government is very inefficient with our money. Handing government more money is like handing a junkie more drugs. Wealth is to be earned not redistributed, especially by a political class that will use it to buy votes.
Again if you think the government needs more, start writing checks to the US treasury. You clearly think they are better with your money than you are.
Those who invest to make money will stop doing so if government takes more and more of the potential profit. It just won’t be worth the risk.
The rich will also move out of the country. Then who will you tax? France tried this and the move was on.
Nice to see you admit your mistake about the 90 per cent tax rate after WWII. Perhaps you are learning.
John
Suggesting that anyone person should voluntarily pay more is really not the way to pay for our government
Corporate profits in the USA are at alll time highs
Wages are stagnant
If a company has 2 choices pay higher taxes or reinvest in infrastructure and human resources which do you believe they will do?
Either will help, simply sending that money into off shore accounts does not
Of course your views are your own in the next election they will be shown to be what a minority of the country wants
Most Americans do want the super rich to pay more, not many want it put on the backs of the middle class
Someone must pay to keep the government going who do you think that should be? Maybe put kids to work and tax them ?
John
@Mully:always strikes me as a bit funny that the red states take more money from the Feds than they give back in taxes
So back invest you consider Americas best years what was the tax rate on the rich?
Woukd you like to see the tax rate like it was in the 80s?
Why the red states complain so much about taxes when they pay so much less than the blues?
kitt
@John: Hey John get with it we are in the age of the ultasound.http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/22/pro-life-ultrasound-ma
Wake up out of your bra burning era and put on a condom.
The red states have much lower population can you post that red states take more information?
John
Kitt MS takes in about 1.4$ from the Feds and gives in 1$
I am at work and using iPhone
Just google using
” do red states take in more from the Feds than they give out
If you need more help than that I’ll try and find the time
Let me know what you find
The Old Coach
@Kauf Buch:
T.R.O.L.L. How much does it pay?
John
old Coach
My job ? 17$ per hour
Unsure what that has to do with it
Do you work or living off government. Kiss each month
Nanny G
What Obama said:
“That’s how we have always made this country great, not by building walls but by tearing down barriers.”
October 2015.
What Obama does:
There are plans to raise the height of the White House security fence by 5 feet and add a new concrete foundation to reduce the risk of fence-jumpers.
April 2016.
And Donald Trump is the two-faced tyrant!?
kitt
@John: Did a bit of digging yes southern states were highly dependent on federal dollars for thier state budgets but looking back on history of politics in those areas
During the many decades in the 20th century when the South was solidly Democratic, its congressional representatives in both the House and the Senate, enjoying great seniority, came to hold leadership positions on powerful committees, which they used to send federal dollars back to their home states.
Once the government ball starts rolling it takes a while to slow it then turn it around.
I wonder when you figure in direct to population federal dollars SS, SSI and AHCA how it changes.
retire05
@Nanny G:
In a word, YES.
Donates to Democrats and the hated GOPers. for years.
Uses the government loop holes to create his own personal wealth.
Inherited his father’s business and business/political connections from building low income housing (much like Valerie Jarrett)
Has the morals of an alley tom cat, cheating on his ex-wives
Went into bankruptcy four times shafting others out of a lot of money (so much for hiring only the best to run his companies)
Hangs with the hated GOP establishment (John Boehner, Chris Christie, Mitch McConnell, et al)
For 40 years he was everything you abhorred but now he’s great and wonderful and it’s all going to be sunshine and lollypops when he’s elected all because he’s selling “hopey change” with a new label.
retire05
@kitt:
The biggest recipient of federal largess is Alaska. Ummm, isn’t their former governor supporting Donald Trump?
John
@Nanny G:
Obamacwill probably be out. Before that fence is finished
John
Well the southern red states are magnets for retired people and I would guess have higher federal cost programs
Sort of funny isn’t it that the blue state Dems are willing to pay more in taxes when a larger share seems to go to red states ???
You would think it would be the other way around
kitt
@retire05: Take the entire population of Alaska vs New York, they are using percentages give me real dollars sent to the state. And how much land mass of that state is owned by the Feds, you know how they love to twist numbers to crap on the truth of it. Do they nix the monies taken in with oil, mining and grazing leases? Also with the oil do they divide the tax proceeds from gas produced and take it from their totals?
At least John was a bit honest saying the southern states attract retired people, mostly for the climate, but they have payed taxes in to blue states while they worked kinda evens out huh.
Kauf Buch
@The Old Coach: You have nothing of substance to add. BE GONE, fool.
John
Kitt red states were and are still most dependent on federal dollars
Mostly now it
Is because they are poorer
They are like our poor cousins that we have to help out
And like poor cousins they sometimes have bad things to say about us although still happy to take our monies
And blame it on Dems from 50 years ago
John
@kitt:
You seem to forget that all of Alaska was a Federal territory owned by all Americans including all of the mineral rights
We (all of America) gave to the newly formed state those lands that we wanted to give they were never “yours” we didn’t take them we just didn’t give them
Mully
@John: So break it down in actual numbers. What per cent of “rich” pay what per cent of federal taxes? Lets see your definition of rich. Is it John Kerry rich, George Soros rich, Warren Buffet rich? Go ahead spill the facts out in numbers.
Since you like to go on feelings and you think people should pay more to the federal government you should be HAPPY to send extra money to them. Put your money where your mouth is.
kitt
@John: An evolution is happening under our very noses, The liberals fleeing the blue states for red states, the shi**y thing is they are taking their voting habits with them and turning the red states purple or blue, creating a new hell hole of regulation and high taxes exactly what they flee from.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Politics-Voices/2015/0728/Yes-red-states-are-attracting-blue-state-voters.-But-they-don-t-stay-red.
kitt
@John: As was every territory, the fed government has no business being in the land business, statehood should mean something. The state should have the right to develop and tax the land within its borders. That would not include national Parks.
http://dailysignal.com/2014/06/23/government-much-land-west-states-wan
John
So let’s see here
The people of the United States bought and paid for the territory of Alaska thus it became the property of the people of the USA
Later you think that the people of the United States who paid for that land
Should voluntarily and without recompense give it all away ??
After “we” bought it now “you” say it’s yours? Because you live there? Sorry that’s not how it works it never was “yours” it will always be ours
kitt
@John: I do not live in Alaska and yes if its good enough to be given statehood and borders let that state manage it. Where in the constitution does it say the federal Government shall amass as much land as it can and not develop it?
The state is still within the USAs Border you are not “giving” it away , its just under new management. Why are liberals such centralist control freaks?
Redteam
@kitt: I certainly agree that states should manage the land in their borders with the exception of National forests. (Even then, if the National Forests are not being managed properly they should revert to the state)
Troy Riser
The author’s sentiments mirror my own. On the plus side, the masks are off and the Democrats are now an openly, joyously Marxist-socialist party and those Trump supporters who have claimed the conservative mantle all of these years have shown themselves to be nothing more than unprincipled proto-fascists waiting for The Man On The White Horse to come along. Well, here he is, in the person of a TV reality show star with bad hair and orange skin and a foul mouth. Behold his mighty grandeur.
On the downside, a Trump nomination ensures a Hillary Clinton victory, which in turn brings us that much closer to cataclysm. Americans, unlike Europeans, do not have a tradition of submission to an all-powerful State. A socialist superstate demands such submission and would attempt to enforce it. One can easily imagine where such an attempt might lead. I fear for my country.
John
That is what people said 8 years ago
No the majority of Americans will be leading happy lives
A small minority will be having hissy fits because they think only they know what is best for the country, and we will be listening to more doom and gloom
Redteam
@John: Yeah, 8 years of Trump will have things pretty well turned around. The libs will be complaining, not enough free stuff, minimum wage not $25 yet.
Bill
@John: No, the “happy” people are those on the government dole or liberal millionaires happy to hand over $1 million of the $50 million stash. Those complaining work for a living and are getting weary of supporting the “happy ones”.
kitt
@Redteam: Red you know to move an economy as big as the USAs it takes at least 8 years, look what happened Reagan did the hard lifting and Clinton took the credit. If nothing happens in 4 the short attention span of the Nation will blame Trump and we will end up with a socialist again. Reagan got 8 by lowering rampant inflation and getting the hostages, Dont know what could fall in Trumps lap that would make his opponents feel warm and fuzzy for 8.
I really believe Obama got his 8 by widespread voter fraud and the GOP cramming a moderate into the nomination..
Makeamericagreatagain
#trump
John
How well did you do predicting the last 2 elections ? Both were runaway victories for Obama
Redteam
@kitt:
Yes there were a lot of dead people voting in that election.
Moderate? is putting it in the best light, kinda to the left of moderate, in my opinion
John
Wide spread voter fraud?
Where in all of the battleground states most of which had GOP Secretaries of State ?
Widespread voter fraud ?
Great claims require great proof haven’t seen any proof
Just how smart do youvthinkbthecdems can be to pull that off ? And never see any signs of fraud?
What states do you believe that happened in ?
Redteam
@John:
When you see dead people voting and you ‘require proof’ that just means you don’t want to see.
Ohio had many precincts with over 100% turnout that voted over 100% Dimocrat, and that requires ‘proof’ Chuckle……..
kitt
@John: In at least two counties in Ohio, the number of registered voters exceeded the number of eligible adults who are of voting age. In northwestern Ohio’s Wood County, there are 109 registered voters for every 100 people eligible to vote. An additional 31 of Ohio’s 88 counties have voter registration rates over 90%, which most voting experts regard as suspicious. Obama miraculously won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland, and received over 99% of the vote where GOP inspectors were illegally removed.
The inflated numbers can’t just reflect voters who have moved, because the average voting registration level nationwide is only 70%. The vast majority of voters over the 70% level are not voting because they want to, they are voting because someone is getting them to cast a vote, one way or another. Those 31 counties are most likely the largest counties in Ohio, representing a majority of Ohio voters. This means the number of votes cast above the 70% typical voter registration level easily tops 100,000, the margin Obama won Ohio by.
Just Ohio, why do you think the left gets its panties in a bind with voter ID laws?
The North Carolina State Board of Elections has found thousands of instances of voter fraud in the state, thanks to a 28-state crosscheck of voter rolls. Initial findings suggest widespread election fraud.
765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election.
35,750 voters with the same first and last name and DOB were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in both states in the 2012 general election.
155,692 voters with the same first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state – and the latest date of registration or voter activity did not take place within N.C.
The second point is key, as double voting is election fraud under state and federal statutes. Punishment for double voting in federal elections can include jail time.
In October 2012, Project Veritas produced video showing a Barack Obama campaign worker helping a voter register to vote in both Texas and Florida.
In addition to the above, the crosscheck found that more than 13,000 deceased voters remain on North Carolina’s rolls, and that 81 of them showed voter activity in their records after death.
Just 2 states I am sure there are more if I continue to look.
Greg
When counties have more registered voters than residents of voting age, it’s generally because local officials have failed to keep their voter rolls current. This should be done by cross-checking data bases an ongoing basis, rather than by conducting periodic mass purges, which are prone to error, and which also can be intentionally misused to gain partisan advantage.
John
@Redteam:
I see no link to any of those claims
However they are widely believed to be true
Snopes which investigates urban ledgends looked into this
You can easily see their results
Especially noting those Ohio numbers
In Wood County which was mentioned in the fraud there are 108000 registered voters
The total turnout was 68000 voters
Please show links to your claims
Your trusted sources keep hosing you
kitt
@Makeamericagreatagain: And a Bot does a flyby
Will Ganz
The (D) didn’t win in 2016 with 0bama’s second term, but the GOPe threw away the election by nominating their prototypical country club elite that the GOP base refused to vote for. To this day, they still haven’t learned the lesson from that one.
Greg
This should be required pre-election reading for every registered voter.
How Lies Spread Faster Than Truth: A Study of Viral Content
I predict we’ll see a demonstration of how this works during the run up to election day, but roughly half the population won’t be aware of what’s happening. Their brains have already been thoroughly washed, dried, and pressed.
Bill
@Greg: The left opposes and resists the cross checking and purging. Look at how they fought it in Florida and New York, claiming (again) that this was “disenfranchising”. The left likes the water muddied as much as possible.
Greg
@Bill, #62:
To anyone who takes an objective look at what was done in Florida and elsewhere, it’s fairly obvious that tidying up the voter rolls was the cover story for a systematic effort to suppress the vote. Curtailing early voting, eliminating Sunday voting, reallocating voting machines in a way that forced some determined voters to stand in line for up to 7 hours to cast their ballot, declining to accept student ids as identification, forcing students to return to their homes to vote—it’s all part and parcel of the same thing.
The constantly repeated lie that voter fraud is “rampant” serves as rationalization. In fact, it has never been demonstrated that voter fraud has had any significant impact on recent elections. It’s an isolated phenomenon that is statistically insignificant.
Further, the single greatest threat to the integrity of the voting process—rigged voting machines that cannot be cross checked against paper ballots—is pretty much ignored entirely.
john
@kitt: kitt you must say WHICH 2 counties had voter turnout higher than regisyered voters, Great claims require great proof. You must show which but before you waste your time let me show you how that email that you are speaking about was debunked by Snopes. and of course Snopes makes it easy for you to do the same checks.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp
In 21 districts in Wood County Ohio, Obama received 100% of the votes where GOP inspectors were illegally removed from their polling locations — and not one single vote was recorded for Romney. (Another statistical impossibility).
A precinct-by-precinct breakdown of the official voting results from Wood County, Ohio, for the 2012 election shows that Barack Obama received nowhere close to 100% of the votes cast in any of that county’s 97 precincts. The highest percentage he achieved in any one precinct was 75.5%.
In Wood County Ohio, 106,258 voted in a county with only 98,213 eligible voters.
The official Voter Turnout statistics for Ohio show Wood County recorded a total turnout of 64,342 voters, an amount far smaller than the number of registered voters in that county (108,014).
Kitt you regularly get hosed by your trusted sources. Because they tell you things you WANT to hear you believe them. However you never bother to try and check primary sources,
With the internet it is really quite easy to do something like check the vote totals in wood County
Here are the actual vote numbers in that Wood County
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/ohio/
Obama got 52%
Romney got 48%
This would have been just as easy for you to check, just like with which states (red) receive more from DC than they give.
As you can see one county in Ohio voted 75% for Romney but you don’t hear any Dems shouting VOTER FRAUD VOTER FRAUD!!!!
john
if you don’t trust Snopes here areout 23,800 results (0.44 seconds)
Search Results
2012 Voter Fraud : snopes.com
http://www.snopes.com › Fact Check
Snopes.com
May 19, 2015 – A list of instances supposedly proving voter fraud in the 2012 U.S. presidential election is completely bogus. … * In 59 voting districts in the Philadelphia region, Obama received 100% of the votes with not even a single vote recorded for Romney. … * In St. Lucie County, FL, there …
Voter Fraud Archives | Snopes.com
http://www.snopes.com/tag/voter-fraud/Snopes.com
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/
FactCheck.org
Jan 17, 2013 – As each state reported their final election details, the evidence of voter fraud is astounding. Massive voter fraud has been reported in areas of …
The Indisputable Liberal Bias of Snopes – Stormfront
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/blogs/u227045-e3434/
Stormfront
Jul 28, 2013 – The following excerpts are from the article titled “2012 Voter Fraud” on snopes dot com. It was retrieved on July 25, 2013 and any discrepancies …
A follow-up on claims of “voter fraud” state by state. : politics
https://www.reddit.com/…/a_followup_on_claims_of_voter_fraud_state_…
Oct 18, 2014 – GOP claims Democratic voter fraud in Wisconsin is equal to “1 or 2 …… That one is addressed about halfway down this page at Snopes.
Are Dead People Voting? – Fact and Myth
http://www.factandmyth.com/voter-fraud/are-dead-people-voting-fraud
Mar 12, 2014 – Voter fraud has become another point of contention in the US, largely divided among political lines. The Republican Party in general, is in favor …
There Was Widespread Voter Fraud in the 2012 Presidential …
https://www.truthorfiction.com/2012-voter-fraud/
Apr 1, 2014 – This is a forwarded email that cited alleged instances of voter fraud during the 2012 presidential election in an effort to prove voter ID laws are …
Fact Check: Email rounds up all the voter fraud in 2012 …
jacksonville.com/…/fact-check-email-rounds-al…
The Florida Times‑Union
Jan 20, 2013 – Fact Check: Email rounds up all the voter fraud in 2012 presidential election — or … a turnout rate of 69.56 percent, not 141, Snopes.com notes.
5 myths about voter fraud, early voting – Cincinnati Enquirer
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/…/11/…voter-fraud…voting/18393659/
Redteam
@Greg:
There are none so blind as those that will not see. As long as it benefits the Dims, they’ll never see voter fraud.
Redteam
@john:
of course Snopes is a liberal site that never finds any problems with Dim fraud. As long as the get their paychecks from Dims, they’ll find for the Dims.
Redteam
@john: Using Factcheck and Snopes as proof is like asking the DNC if the Dims cheated in the last election. You need to find a neutral site to get your info, the Dims are never going to voluntarily print incriminating evidence. I’ll bet you think Lyndon Johnson got elected legally also.
john
@Redteam: If there is widespread voter fraud why are elections certified by Republican Secretaries of State a
Why are there no mass arrests?
Great Claims require great proof
Redteam
@john: From one of those links you provided above, Geez, how much do you need to see?
kitt
@john: My trusted sources? Seriously dont trust much off the internet anymore, just grabbed cause you asked but snopes as a source lol thats getting hosed.
Why no prosecutions ask Eric.
Shabazz is the man the Obama administration Department of Justice refused to prosecute after he was filmed on Election Day 2008 with Jerry Jackson wearing paramilitary uniforms, carrying a nightstick and blocking a doorway to a polling location to intimidate voters.
“I hate white people – all of them! Every last iota of a cracker, I hate ’em,” Shabazz shouts into a megaphone on a crowded sidewalk. “Through South Street with white, dirty, cracker whore [expletive] on our arms.
New Black Panther Party’s Philadelphia leader. hmm where Obama got 100%of the vote.
John
Look just check for yourselves to see the vote totals in Wiod County. Ohio in 2012 then tell us all what you found
John
Obama list in 4 red states and that proves ….. That it was only due to the voter ID [email protected]kitt:
Unfortunately the Federal Law only kicks in when it actually prevents someone from voting
No one said those clowns prevented them from voting
Better check up on that law and also please post for us the actual official voting results from Wood County Ohio
2012
That is one county where the right is always saying that there was massive voter fraud
Greg
@Redteam, #67:
So, where’s the republican equivalent of Snopes, that thoroughly debunks a supposedly endless series left wing lies with verifiable evidence?
There isn’t one.
The right needs to discredit Snopes, because they repeatedly expose the right’s b.s. as they have done here. Truth is dangerous to those who lie, when the evidence leaves absolutely no question about who has been lying.
I really enjoy it when republicans drop the party line and suddenly begin saying exactly what’s on their minds. Fasten your seat belt.
Grant
Obama has done pretty good actually. But don’t trust my word – trust the professional historians who rate presidents. Wiki has several compiled under the “Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States” article. Obama’s about 17th out of 44 – two down from Reagan. GWB about 34th of 44. It’s predicted Obama will top Reagan once he completes his 2nd term.
Bill
@Greg: Thanks for confirming that anything done to address voter fraud is characterized by the left as “suppression”. Yes, it is… suppression of fraud, which is what the left has come to completely rely on. Fraud in voting, fraud in campaigning, fraud in representing their record and fraud in news reporting is the means to hide the failure and corruption of liberalism and fighting reform is their lifeline.
vince
@Grant: Don’t believe the lefty tripe. Worst economic recovery since the Great Depression. Only modern president to never reach 3% annual GDP growth… not even once. Added more debt than all other presidents combined. Lowest LFPR since the 70’s… Beyond a doubt Barack Obama is the worst president in modern history and possibly ever. Not to mention eviscerating American influence in the world, destroying race relations and eliminating the southern border. Check out this little infographic comparing Reagan and Obama...
Bill
@vince: That is what the left considers progress so, “great success”.
Mully
@vince: The left measures success differently. More people on government dependency programs equals a success for them. It translates into more votes which is the point of the game.
Bill
@Mully: The left also believes that if the mean old US would stop beating people up, everything would just be marvelous. So, weakening US power and influence around the world will allow the really nice people like the Russians, Chinese and Iranians do nice things.
Kenny
Let me see if I have this straight, mass voter fraud got Obama elected, yet the hard core republicans have presented zero proof of the claims, other than they heard it somewhere, while the dems have provided multiple sources to debunk the claim. Oh, and any source that debunks the claim is a leftest liberal mouth piece, even though there is no actual data presented by the conservatives. Got it.
Obama is the worst president ever? He inherited the worst economic situation in American history since the great depression, thanks to policies from the previous 2 administrations; a negative landslide, if you will. His administration halted that landslide and started it back moving in the right direction. Did it suck for a lot of people? sure, but it is like blaming the janitor because someone shat on the floor.
I claim neither side of this debate, but laugh at the baseless statements made by the right, while claiming the left has their head in the sand. If someone is giving you sources and facts, and you claim they are tilted, maybe you are the one with your head in the sand.
This kind of ignorance is why the republicans cannot put a candidate in front of the American people that everyone doesn’t laugh at. Neither party’s candidates are great, so it becomes a lesser of 4 screw ups.
Richard Wheeler
@Kenny: There it is!
Redteam
@Kenny:
to become the only president EVER to not have a 3% GDP. the best he had was a 1.64.
No one has to debunk Snopes and Factcheck, they consistently debunk themselves. No one except liberals believe anything political from them.
I think we can all agree on that statement of yours, so we don’t need to spend any more time on that.
I realize you said that with a smile on your face, knowing that is is a completely baseless statement made by the left with nothing to corroborate it.
When you get an amen from the Rainbow crowd, as in 82, you know you’ve arrived in liberal circles.
Redteam
Just heard on the news that a movie writer in Hollywood wrote a movie for Will Farrell. It is a comedy about Ronald Reagan with Alzheimer’s. Something only the warped mind of a liberal could do. Will Farrell said he has no interest in the movie. At least he recognizes failure of the highest order.
Redteam
@Greg:
Most people recognize that propaganda machines are not profitable business.
Redteam
@Grant:
kitt
@Redteam: The call to pull out of the EU spiking since our President went over there to urge them to stay in.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/04/28/brexit-brits-wanting-to-leave-the-eu-spikes-after-obama-tried-to-convince-them-to-stay-in-it-n2155123?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=
I guess they see what an utter failure he is, and decided not to take his sage advise.
Redteam
@kitt:
utter failure, very accurate description of Obozo.
John
Red Team ok don’t believe what snipes said
CHECK IT FOR
YOURSELF!!
And then report back to us on what the certified voting results were for Wood County Ohio then tell us how YOU showed Snopes
to be a liar
I always check pretty much everything
Do you?
Redteam
@John:
Snipes,, LOL….. I was going to check them out in my electric car and the battery died after 9 miles and I’m stranded. Good thing my cell phone has good range.
Do you even check out your snake oil before you try to sell it? Solar energy and electric cars, two liberal industries that can only survive with taxpayers. I’ve got a good used Yugo, are you in the market? I’m sure you’ve checked them out and know what a spiffy deal they are. I understand they can be converted to electric fairly easily for a low price, around 20 K or so.
kitt
@Redteam: Speaking of utter failures Hillary decides to be both sexist and a bigoted racist in one very carefully scripted sentence.Clinton: I have experience with “men who sometimes get off the reservation”
Those that want the name of a football team changed were not amused..imagine that.
Redteam
@kitt: But she’s a liberal and they’ll stick with her
Redteam
@kitt: Hey, I just noticed she said: ” I have experience with “men who sometimes get off the reservation” Men? as in plural? I hadn’t heard that, but straight from her mouth, Men…….as in ‘more than one man’. Allrighty………
kitt
@Redteam: But but this is a war on men and slur against an entire people the native people of this very country, WTH. You know how fair the liberals are surely this is the end of her entire political career! Add this to calling a fetus a person??(cue dramatic music)
Greg
During their first one-on-one presidential debate, Hillary Clinton is going to run over Donald Trump like a Sherman tank. How do people not see this coming?
kitt
@Greg: What do you think would happen if she has to debate Cruz?
Greg
@kitt, #96:
Honestly? Pretty much the same thing, but for a different reason. Cruz has the debate skills of a competent lawyer, but he’s encumbered by his personality and histrionic mannerisms. Many in his own party can hardly tolerate him. Add to that the fact that his hard line conservative social positions render him highly vulnerable on a national stage before mainstream voters. I think a lot of women will find his positions totally unacceptable. Clinton would zero in on that vulnerability like a cruise missile. (Give me a point for refraining from the obvious pun.)
I think Hillary Clinton’s toughest opponent is probably the one she’s fighting off now: Bernie Sanders.
Just my opinion, of course.
Kenny
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Redteam
@Greg:
Soooo……..Hillary is a Sherman tank……..I bet she would love that description of her…..so feminine……
Let’s get that straight now: Greg-Hillary-Sherman-Tank. Ahhh, such a feminine scenario…..
Is that Rainbow banner across the front or back of that tank?
Redteam
@Greg:
Everybody gotta have one….Right?
Greg
@Redteam, #99:
I think maybe the definition of feminine has changed considerably over the past 50 years.
Redteam
@Greg: Yes, now the definition of feminine for Hillary is Sherman Tank. I’m sure a lot of women are gonna now want to be known as ‘as feminine as a Sherman Tank”. I think you’ve hit it Greg. Lot’s of women are gonna be thanking you.
Redteam
Yep, I was walking down the street with “my little Sexy as a Sherman Tank girlfriend” and she was really turning heads.
Greg
I think you’re pretty much demonstrating that you don’t get it. Clinton wouldn’t be put off by the comparison.
Hey, want to buy a Sherman tank? There’s an exceptional specimen for sale in Tifton, GA. Wampus Cat can be yours, for a mere $250K. Top up the tank, and she’s ready to drive home. I guarantee, head will turn.
kitt
@Greg: lol tank, not even in another 50 years. Cruz would expose Barking Hillary as the dottering old 1st generation feminist liberal with the same old tired failed policies.
Greg
Nah. Clinton would lob a round at him and he’d wet his pants, and then spontaneously transform into Grandpa Munster. He’d then possibly fly off stage like a bat and out the door, headed for the Canadian border.
But seriously… Whatever the final debate match-up might turn out to be, I think it’s going to be one of the most interesting presidential debates we’ve seen in a long while.
Redteam
@Greg:
I’ll bet she’s daydreaming right now: “Yep, every time I see me, I think of a Sherman Tank, big hefty, strong, just what every man dreams of when they think of their ideal lady. Gotta put on a few more pounds to make me even more feminine.”.
That’s why ole Bill has had to spend his married life looking for a female to pair with. Just ask Vince. He found out about them deadly Sherman tanks.
kitt
@Redteam: Did you see this good news?
http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/doing-the-right-thing-soldier-who-confronted-child-rapist-will-stay-a-soldier
Redteam
@kitt: Yes, I’m sure a lot of people had to go against Obama’s wishes for this to happen. Obama has never supported any military person.
Greg
He’s certainly gotten a lot fewer of them unnecessarily killed than a less thoughtful Commander in Chief might have—or actually have done, in the recent past. As a former soldier, I tend to appreciate an absence of thousands of additional flag-draped caskets.
John
Cruz is not even liked by those who are in the GOP look at his sorry primary totals
And how many women would vote for a man that says that a woman must give birth to a baby even if sh has been raped
That is the same view that ISIS has about abortion
Cruz is like a Christian talivan
Bill
@Greg: #95. You think so? What if the topic of contributions comes up? What if someone mentions emails and national security? What if Benghazi comes up? A debate with Trump might not be a friendly venue like the Democrat debates have been.
kitt
@Greg: Marines are posting pics begging not to let them and fellow marines have Killary CIC
kitt
@John: With Their popularity poll numbers Endorsements from the establishment is the last thing Cruz wants. The perfect one was Boehner calling him Lucifer in the flesh.
They are much more terrified of someone that honors our constitution than tRump.
John
Poll numbers have proven to be accurate indications of how people will vote
Neither Trump nor Cruz have good poll numbers
John
@kitt: that is very unprofessional isn’t it ? To make a political statement in uniform
Redteam
@John: you talking about the poll numbers that show it at 38-38? Which 38 is a higher poll number than the other 38? Trumps numbers have consistently risen over the last 6 month, Skanks has constantly slid during that time. You see those trends reversing, do you?
Redteam
@John:
Let me see if I’ve got this right. you have some Marines, that voluntarily signed a commitment to give their life, if necessary, for you to have the right to say what you want to say. And you would deny them that very right that they say they would give their life for you to have? Really? Rather selfish of you, isn’t it?
Ask ole Rainbow Warrior Richie if he agrees with you on that.
John
@Redteam:
Well red team I have no idea what poll has them tied
YOU must provide a link
Also bewary about using any single poll much better to use a average of polls like realvlearpolitics does
Or Predictwise
Ahh
Wait I see which poll it is
It comes from Rasmussen who always has a GOP lean
He had Romney beating Obama up until just a short time before the election
For a thorough analysis on pollsters I would recommend Nate Silvers 538
Or
Just use a site that gives an average of pollsters
Realvlearpolitics typically averages about 7 pollsters to come up with their figure
John
Yes I do think it unprofessional to make statements while dressed in uniform
kitt
@John: I think he has a 1st amendment right in uniform he is not badmouthing his superiors.
Redteam
@John:
So you do see the 38-38 but you don’t like it and it doesn’t serve your argument so I should disregard it. Chuckle.
Nathan Blue
@Greg: Or he’s passing the responsibility on to the next CIC, as to look beneficent, rather than be beneficent.
Did you get an honorable discharge there, soldier?
You speak like a 16-year-old with no life experience. You also make about 10 non-lib supporters every time you mouth off and project your insecurities. Hope you’re getting paid well, because you’re costing your party votes and power.
BTW, the CIC’s job isn’t to look pretty on Ellen and talk shows at large, passing on the world’s crises for another President to take care of by being forced to use American lives…like a less thoughtful Commander in Chief might have done—or actually have done, in the recent past.
All service member lives lost from 2017 to 2024 will be on Barack Obama’s ledger, so make sure you keep count, Civ.
Greg
@Nathan Blue, #123:
If we’re lucky, we’ll get either Clinton or Sanders, and then we won’t have to find out how quickly a bombastic reality television host showing signs of grandiose delusions or a Canadian-born evangelical dominionist who’s selected an art historian as his campaign’s national security adviser can run up a body count.
Yeah, I was honorably discharged at Fort Meade Maryland six months after my year in RVN ended and six months ahead of my original ETS date. Very nice of them. I had over 25 years of civilian service after that. I’ve got certificates of appreciation from a couple of past presidents, neither of whom I voted for, and medals from a country that no longer exists, just like a lot of other vets. I keep them in a drawer with other assorted “life experience” mementos.
Life experience and years of observation tell me that the GOP has gone to hell in a handbag.
I also know that not losing American lives unnecessarily takes a lot more leadership skill than doing so. Obama’s approach to ISIS has been methodical, persistent, and increasingly effective—witness the fact that republicans have suddenly shut up about it during an election year. Additionally, it hasn’t resulted in thousands of flag-draped caskets and military funerals all across the nation. Putting another large U.S. expeditionary force on the ground in Iraq and Syria almost certainly would have yielded such a dismal harvest. It’s not clear how that would produce any greater degree of Middle Eastern stability than it was previously .
Rather than adding up the future’s hypothetical dead to justify getting people killed today, I prefer to think about those still living who have been spared an early grave. I did learn something from Vietnam: It would have been better if we’d stayed out if.
John
Yes I DID see the poll 38-38 itvwascby Rasmussen
It was the only poll that showed a tie the other SIX on RealClearPolitics all showed Clinton to be rather far ahead
I put no emotion into reading polls they are what they are
I did not provide a link but I did tell you how you could easily find to what I was referring, RealClearPolitics can easily be found by using any search engine
That is MY link
john
RED TEAM when I post on iphone i usually can not provide a direct link, so simply direct people by telling them how to find my source. You never do. I was able to find the poll that showed a 38-38 tie. I thought it was an outlier, one different from the others and that is what it is. Rasmussen definitely has had a GOP lean in the past however I am using my laptop now and can show you that YES he is the only pollster currently showing a tie
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Rasmussen Reports 4/25 – 4/26 1000 LV 3.0 38 38 Tie
USA Today/Suffolk 4/20 – 4/24 1000 LV 3.0 50 39 Clinton +11
GWU/Battleground 4/17 – 4/20 1000 LV 3.1 46 43 Clinton +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 4/10 – 4/14 1000 RV 3.1 50 39 Clinton +11
FOX News 4/11 – 4/13 1021 RV 3.0 48 41 Clinton +7
CBS News 4/8 – 4/12 1098 RV 3.0 50 40 Clinton +10
McClatchy/Marist 3/29 – 3/31 1066 RV 3.0 50 41 Clinton +9
Out of the 8 pollsters that RealClearPolitics uses. Rasmussen was THE ONLY one that showed a tie
ate Silver @ 538 rated on pollsters he gave Rasmussen a “C” rating for accuracy and has him leaning Republican and has him leaning R+2
http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/
Now, have you had a chance to double check your post about MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD
That “thing” about voter fraud in Wood County, you can easily check that for yourself by looking at the official voting results for Ohio. There you can see that Obama did NOT receive all or more votes than there were registered voters. In fact he received only about 52%
You got hoaxed there Red Team Please DON’T trust Snopes or any other single source, always go and check original primary sources. here is a link to the official 2012 voting results for 2016 in Ohio
Sorry, no sign of the massive voter fraud
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Ohio,_2012#By_county