Valdosta State students try to set up Trump to make him look like a racist- UPDATED

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This is not about whether I like Trump or not, and I am no fan. This is about scheming dishonesty and journalistic malpractice and I despise that more than Trump. At The Hill there is an article by Lisa Hagen titled

Trump orders Secret Service to remove black students from rally

It reads

Donald Trump ordered Secret Service agents to remove a number of black students from his Georgia rally on Monday evening, according to The Des Moines Register.

Before Trump spoke in Valdosta, Ga., about 30 black students who were quietly standing on the top of the bleachers were told to leave the GOP front-runner’s event.

Why were they removed? They weren’t invited.

“We didn’t plan to do anything,” said Tahjila Davis, a 19-year-old Valdosta State University student who was removed. “They said, ‘This is Trump’s property; it’s a private event.’ But I paid my tuition to be here.”

Now review Hagen’s words again:

Donald Trump ordered Secret Service agents to remove a number of black students from his Georgia rally on Monday evening, according to The Des Moines Register.

Let’s go to the linked article. What does it say about who ordered the removal of the students?

There are different accounts of who made the decision to eject approximately 30 black students who say they were standing silently at the top of the bleachers at Donald Trump’s rally here Monday evening.

None are directly attributed to Trump himself, but there’s more to this.

USA Today revised the story. HuffPo quotes the earlier version, seeking to make it a racial event:

“I think we got kicked out because we’re a group of black people,” a tearful student said in a video posted by USA Today. “I guess … they’re afraid we’re going to say something or do something. But we just really wanted to watch the rally. To get kicked out because we’re a group of black people … shows you how racist our own school is.”

And that was the goal all along. They didn’t plan to just watch the rally.

The young people said they had planned to sit in silent protest…

So they say. That’s not “just watching.” Poor things were “visibly upset” that they were asked to leave from an event to which they were not invited.

“We didn’t plan to do anything,” said a tearful Tahjila Davis, a 19-year-old mass media major, who was in the group of Valdosta State University students, many of whom were wearing all black, that was removed.

Adds the Valdosta police chief:

“What I resent is now some of these folks are going around saying it was a black issue. That’s total nonsense,” he said. “I personally asked why were these folks told to leave and the reason was: they were being disruptive. The Trump staff said they were using profanity. The F-bomb is one word that was used. You can’t be in there using profanity. That violates Georgia law.”

This was a set-up from the beginning. The Hill played right into the hands of the students and went so far as to make the false assertion that it was Trump himself who ordered the kids out. Huffington Post did what it does best- ignore the facts. This was an event designed to make Trump look like a racist- that was the goal all along. But it was not a racial thing. Trump’s staff had rented the venue and was entitled to determine who could be there. The only victim here is the truth.

Trump is a bellicose bully, but this kind of mendacity is only going to make him stronger and bolster his support.

Image via Jennifer Jacobs, USA Today

 

The Hill wasn’t the only outlet to promote the phony racist angle. Over Mediaite, this was the title of their contribution:

Trump’s Security Escorted a Group of Black Students From a Rally for No Discernible Reason

It was click bait for the brain dead.

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48 Responses to “Valdosta State students try to set up Trump to make him look like a racist- UPDATED”

  1. 1

    Nanny G

    Although it was on campus, Donald Trump personally paid for the room for that rally.
    Before the rally starts an announcer always point this out.
    If you don’t have an invitation (they are FREE) you are not supposed to be there.
    If you want to protest, there is an area set aside for that purpose near the venue, but not IN the arena.
    The students claimed that they wanted to SIT and listen.
    But the fact was they were STANDING and yelling, not just the profanities, but also other things that distracted from people who had invitations being able to listen to the speakers at the platform.

    So, there were a couple of problems with the story the students tell.

    The dishonesty of the media is beyond belief right now.
    They are being dishonest brokers, taking sides, trying to throw out ”October Surprises” at the last moments before the primaries.

  2. 2

    MOS# 8541

    nothing is free, but race baiting by the presstitutes is becoming worse. it will be interesting on how the media will suppress the women who clinton raped when they come during the final weeks before the election. recall that hillary and the fool want to suppress the 1st., which protects the right to protest. oh, right, he was allegedly a constitutional professor of law at the university of Chicago. Ross Perot dropped out of the race do to threats against his family my the clintons. wonder when they will try to pull that on Trump? hypocrisy does not exist in the media it the embodiment of the media.

  3. 3

    MOS# 8541

    recently at a Trump rally, a USSS agent allegedly grab a report’s throat. The presstitute’s version was that the agent grabbed the report’s throat. If one watches an earlier video the reporter grabbed the USSS’s agent throat. The reported has a long history of disruptive behaviour and is a devout clinton sympathiser. So what was billy’s presence outside a Mass. voting station all about?

  4. 6

    John

    The funniest thing in the article was the sheriff saying that the f-bomb was not legal to say in Georgia
    The GOP owns Trump
    Enjoy !!!!

  5. 7

    Bill

    @MOS# 8541:

    it will be interesting on how the media will suppress the women who clinton raped when they come during the final weeks before the election.

    How will they do it? Just as they are now; by ignoring it. When these women speak out, the only one that will give them voice will be Fox News and, of course, it will be “edited”, “faux” and lies.

    For instance, how much media coverage has the Marine that Bill had kicked out of HIS rally gotten? How much coverage did Bill, who evaded service by scampering off to England where he wrote how he “loathed” the military, questioning this soldier’s courage get?

    While Trump was getting raked over the coals for failing to (again) disavow the non-endorsement of David Duke, how much coverage of Hillary’s idolatry of the racist exterminator Margaret Sanger gotten? How is Planned Parenthood’s REAL endorsement of Hillary any less offensive, on that level, than Duke’s twisted comments of non-aversion to Trump?

    Or how about both Hillary and Bernie courting the race-baiting racist, tax-evading Sharpton? To say the liberal media is corrupt is an understatement that defies measurement.

    Based on actual circumstances, records, accomplishments, honesty, integrity and humanity, there has not been a single Republican that would not have mopped the floor with the corrupt, lying, failed Hillary or the misogynistic socialist, Bernie. The one any only element that supports their candidacies is the corrupt liberal media. They ARE a wild card, as no one can gauge the actual stupidity of the American public.

  6. 8

    Richard Wheeler

    @Bill: Does the “blame the lamesream media” meme ever get old?
    They’ve given this charlatan Trump all the free media he could wish for. They are the reason he currently leads—-do they follow Cruz and Kasich around like lap dogs?
    Trump, like HRC, has earned his high negs which will come back to haunt him if he gets to G.E.

  7. 10

    Bill

    @Richard Wheeler: How about presenting a valid argument that the way the media is covering this and the Trump/David Duke tempest in a tea kettle and how the media has covered Hillary praising Margaret Sangar (who created Planned Parenthood to abort blacks out of existence), her, Bernie and Obama associating with Sharpton, her, Bernie and Obama refusing to denounce the racist and dangerous rants of Black Lives Matter, Farrakhan or the New Black Panthers or Obama’s relationship with the racist hater Jeremiah Wright is not 100% biased towards the liberal flavor of the day?

    True, the corrupt liberal media bears much of the responsibility for Trump’s lead, but not because they SUPPORT him! Are you daft? His popularity feeds on the blatantly partisan ATTACKS on him! His supporters are those who are totally sick and tired of the elitist groups of America, be they Democrat, Republican OR the corrupt media, trying to convert reality into something they can sell to the American people and, for them, the more the lying media attacks Trump and protects Hillary and Obama, the more popular Trump becomes in their eyes.

    This is why Trump is such a phenomena the defies normal analysis; he FEEDS on what usually destroys any other politician. His popularity virtually PROVES the existence of media left wing bias (as if any thinking person actually needed more proof).

    @Tony Plank:

    It is impossible for me to imagine anyone making Trump look more racist than his own words already have done.

    What would some of his racist words be?

  8. 11

    Richard Wheeler

    @Bill: His popularity feeds on fear and racist bigotry—The fact that he’s crude and abusive is a bonus for the 35% of 50% that buy his shtick.
    Bill I assure you there is an expiration date on his political brand—he’s been sent home many times before–this time his ride is lasting a little longer.
    The good people of this great country will never give the reins to a man so lacking in character and decency..

    Semper Fi Wheeler Capt.USMCR

  9. 12

    Tony Plank

    @Bill:

    What would some of his racist words be?

    C’mon man: you seem much brighter than this, but I’ll play along.

    Here are few Trump quotes to help you out. I’m afraid it was hard to decide if a few of these were racist or simply stupid.

    “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

    “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.”

    “Because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists.”

    “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

    “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”

    “The wall will go up and Mexico will start behaving.”

    “The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yamakas every day.”

    Hopefully, that will get you started, Bill.

    https://tonyplank.wordpress.com/

  10. 13

    DrJohn

    author

    @Tony Plank:

    “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best.”

    This is absolutely dead on target.

    FYI, Jewish is a not a race.

    You’ve compiled a list of statements with which you obviously disagree, but there’s not a lot there anyone could call racist.

  11. 14

    Nanny G

    @DrJohn: FYI, Jewish is a not a race.

    You’ve compiled a list of statements with which you obviously disagree, but there’s not a lot there anyone could call racist.

    Great point, DrJohn.
    And, neither is “”Muslim” a race.
    Muslims are ALL colors, from white, to black, to Asian.

  12. 15

    Tony Plank

    @DrJohn:

    I started to write your response for you, DrJohn, But I haven’t been around here long enough to have that audacity. But, it did turn out that you were quite predictable there.

    Hey, if you want to be an apologist for this bigot, go ahead. In my experience, there isn’t a lot that I can do to dissuade people from their errors baked in by a lifetime of misguided thought patterns.

    You see, DrJohn, racism is not about the narrow definitions around “what is race”, but rather the mental attitudes that guide one’s decisions. In fact, there is no real consensus definition of race—the concept is an outdated classification if you are trying to lay science on me.

    These Trump quotes evidence attitudes that are bigoted to the core even if a careful parsing of language might find a superficial excuse. Not that many people I know really question his bigotry. Guess I need to get out more to the kinds of places bigots go to watch professional wrestling or whatever they do.

    Interestingly, you chose to call out the Mexico quote specifically. Your retort really misses the fact that there are several layers of stupidity in his statement. For instance, Mexico isn’t sending anybody-they are coming out of their own needs. Best I can tell, not many people showed up at Ellis or Angle Island with college educations and a trunk of textbooks.

    So much for the huddled masses yearning to be free.

    Trump, like the much of the ruling elite of this country and their minions, are quite content to accept only highly skilled people that speak English, as long as they are not Muslim. Or Mexican. Or God forbid, bleeding from their “wherever”.

    https://tonyplank.wordpress.com/

  13. 16

    Nanny G

    @Tony Plank: racism is not about the narrow definitions around “what is race”,

    I really appreciated that bit, Tony.
    It reminded me of people who ”identify” as black, like that NAACP lady, Rachel Dolezal, who is white, or the BLM guy, Shaun King, who is also white.
    Yeah, your new ”definition” of ”racism” which omits RACE is perfect for our new pc times.
    Perfect.

  14. 17

    DrJohn

    author

    @Tony Plank:

    Interestingly, you chose to call out the Mexico quote specifically. Your retort really misses the fact that there are several layers of stupidity in his statement. For instance, Mexico isn’t sending anybody-they are coming out of their own needs. Best I can tell, not many people showed up at Ellis or Angle Island with college educations and a trunk of textbooks.

    That’s parsing, Tony. If you’ve read this blog at all, you would know I am no Trump fan but there is no arguing that he says a lot of things a lot a people find appealing.

    Best I can tell, not many people showed up at Ellis or Angle Island with college educations and a trunk of textbooks.

    So much for the huddled masses yearning to be free.

    That, sir, was written before those coming here automatically became a financial burden for the rest of us. My grandfather was one of those who came here without any guarantees of anything other than opportunity.

    Trump, like the much of the ruling elite of this country and their minions, are quite content to accept only highly skilled people that speak English,

    We are entitled to allow immigration to whomever we choose. We are under zero obligation to provide a subsidized living to the rest of the world. I have an office manager who followed the rules and was haunted by an ICE agent for all the years until she became a citizen. Additionally, she had sign an agreement assuring that she would not accept support services.

    She’s originally from England.

    My mother was a war bride who was educated. She was also harassed by the the INS about entry.

    I have no use nor any respect for those who would not respect our immigration rules and laws. Thanks to Obama, we are now obligated to import those with AIDS and STD’s.

    That sure adds to the culture. I’ll stop now before my anger gets the best of me.

  15. 18

    Tony Plank

    @Nanny G:

    Well, feel free to find me a word that encapsulates all the –isms that define bigoted attitudes.

    So Trump isn’t a racist? Anti-Semite works fine. Anti-muslimism would work. Hispanophobe would work. Sexist works. Guess I should have just described him as a bigot—that does seem more accurate.

    But whew! Thank God he isn’t a racist.

    https://tonyplank.wordpress.com/

  16. 19

    Tony Plank

    @DrJohn:

    Well, I’m certainly no Obama fan either. I find our immigration policy to be completely stupid. We have no handle on the situation and that is the failure of decades of mishandling by the Federal Government.

    But, that does not change the fact that Trump’s demeanor and language are clearly bigoted.

    https://tonyplank.wordpress.com/

  17. 20

    Bill

    @Tony Plank: Still waiting on the racist quotes. By the way, the quote about the criminal element we ARE getting from Mexico refers to illegal immigrants exclusively. You left that tidbit out. How is demanding Mexico pay for the wall (which they had no problem with on THEIR southern border racist in any way? How is accusing the Chinese of manipulating trade racist.

    Are you a member of the media? You sound like it. Thanks for making MY point so effectively.

    @Richard Wheeler: Still waiting for your contribution to the validation of accusations of racism.

  18. 21

    Tony Plank

    @Bill:

    Still waiting on the racist quotes. By the way, the quote about the criminal element we ARE getting from Mexico refers to illegal immigrants exclusively. You left that tidbit out. How is demanding Mexico pay for the wall (which they had no problem with on THEIR southern border racist in any way?

    I already conceded that bigoted was a better term for Trump overall, but…

    I stand by the statement that the term “race” itself is not clear. Even Wikipedia has some good discussion on this point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)

    The first sentence there has what I believe is the common usage of the term: “a group of people who share similar and distinct physical characteristics.” Feel free to advance the semantics of the message board and I will abide by those local rules.

    By this definition, the Chinese and Hispanics would be races and Muslims would not be. Though my hunch is that this particular bigot probably doesn’t care much about that distinction.

    How is accusing the Chinese of manipulating trade racist.

    Again, you can pull out this statement and argue that it is not bigoted if you like. Perhaps we should ask a Chinese person. Regardless, there are clearly non-bigoted ways of saying that same thing and someone who is applying for the job of heading our foreign policy should understand the need for an appropriate tone. Again, there are several layers of stupid in that quote—which is normal for Trump.

    When I evaluate Trump, I take a look at his whole body of work and not just a single statement. In the context of his other behavior, the set of statements I gave were at a minimum bigoted in tone. And a few that you didn’t call out are very overt.

    Are you a member of the media? You sound like it. Thanks for making MY point so effectively.

    Hahaha. No. Not media. I’m not sure what the media sounds like but I know that I’ve been accused of much worse. When I am in Democratic circles, they label me as a Conservative. When I am in Republican circles, they label me as a Liberal. Here I sound like a media type. Go figure.

    Thanks for making MY point so effectively.

    I actually thought you have done a good job helping me. I’ve learned from you that it’s not racism if it’s not a race according to a specific definition I’ve never seen. I’ve learned that we need to carefully parse Trump’s statements to see the policy statement that exists under the sneer. And I’ve learned that the aforementioned parsing of a handful of statements obviates the relevance of hundreds of others.

    I guess I should’ve stayed in school longer.

    https://tonyplank.wordpress.com/

  19. 22

    Bill

    @Tony Plank:

    By this definition, the Chinese and Hispanics would be races and Muslims would not be. Though my hunch is that this particular bigot probably doesn’t care much about that distinction.

    Defining, redefining and re-redefining races and racism STILL doesn’t make someone a racist. Saying that Mexico is sending illegal immigrants to the US is a fact; Mexico encourages it, lobbies the US to accept them and, as we have seen, EXPECTS it. While they demand adherence to their immigration laws, they DEMAND (and Obama accepts) that we ignore ours and take their problems off their hands. That being said, it is a FACT that MANY of these illegal immigrants are criminals of various disciplines. There is nothing racist about that; it is factual.

    The same goes with saying the Chinese are manipulating issues and trade rules to benefit them and them only. Nothing about that denigrates the Chinese as a race; it correctly accuses them of unfair trade practices.

    I’ve learned from you that it’s not racism if it’s not a race according to a specific definition I’ve never seen.

    Actually, you continue to cling to the liberal tactic of defining something or someone as racist as a means to kill off intelligent debate. By your leftist definitions, ANYTHING can be racists at any time, the SAME thing can be racist here but not racist over there (next to that liberal) and actually real racist events are NOT racist when someone you favor does it.

    For instance, this is a topic on the media manipulation of the use of “racism”. I have given several examples of the discrepancies between how the media ascribes racist attributes to conservatives as opposed to liberals. You and Richard choose to use the opportunity to emulate the media and attack Trump, using false claims of racism. How about addressing the examples, whether you support Hillary, Obama, Bernie, Trump or not? If your contention is that there is no such media bias, explain those variations.

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    Nanny G

    You know, it hadn’t been brought up but back in 1982 Trump hired a bunch of Polish workers to build Trump Tower in NY.
    Perhaps they were illegal.
    It is anachronistic, however, to make a big deal about that.
    Remember Zoë Baird?
    How about Kimba Wood?
    What about Stephen Breyer?
    Um, Linda Chavez?
    Bernard Kerik?
    YEARS after Trump built his building people Bill Clinton and GWBush wanted in TOP (Senate confirmation required) positions were hiring illegals and paying them ”off the books,” thereby cheating them out of Social Security and other bene’s.
    Up until these potential DOJ heads, and SCOTUS would-be nominees, etc., were exposed as having a ”NannyGate” issue, hiring illegals was rare but pretty normal.

    As the Oscars just showed us, if all those bleeding heart liberal whites are ”racist,” then that term has lost all meaning.

  21. 24

    Richard Wheeler

    Bill Judged by the company you keep/supporters—Too many incidents of Black protesters and immigration rights protesters being spat on and forcibly removed from Trump rallies–it continues and looks to be accelerating–he does not condemn the excessive force being used—he seems to promote it–“kick his ass”–“I’d punch him out”. Tough guy he is—bully actually–grew up in N.Y. with guys like him.
    Hey Donald Which bad foot kept you from serving in V.N with guys like Greg, MOS and Myself?
    Do you believe Donald knows so little about David Duke and White Supremacists? He’s either lying or too uninformed to lead this country.

    Nan It has been brought up and they were illegal. People named hired undocumented workers–your point?

    Where’s Sarah?

  22. 25

    Bill

    @Richard Wheeler:

    Too many incidents of Black protesters and immigration rights protesters being spat on and forcibly removed from Trump rallies

    Again… where? More spitting and racial slurs like those hurled at the liberal Democrats heading to the Capital to sign Obamacare into law… that never really happened? With the media today, it should be easy to find, if it exists.

    Meanwhile, back to the actual subject…. analysis of my examples?

  23. 26

    Richard Wheeler

    @Bill: You haven’t seen videos of people being forcibly removed from Trump rallies with red faced Donald yelling encouragement?—his supporters love it.
    It’s on the news almost every night

    My repeated question to you and other F.A. Conservatives–Why would you support Trump over Cruz?

  24. 27

    kitt

    @Richard Wheeler: We have seen the videos, the incident in question the Students were there to be disruptive, not to learn as they professed, they took quotes off one of the leaders social media asking for those to show up for the “cause”. You know my preferred candidate. The students were ejected by security and local police, the secret service witnessed the incident but did not participate in the ejections, why, because there was no threat to the subject they were there to protect, he had not arrived yet.
    Photos of the students with their fists raised does not gain them my sympathy.
    They were there to get ejected, get on TV as the oppressed. I think we are all pretty tired of that kind of BS and yes we enjoy seeing them removed and order restored. Spitting on people is crude, no one should do that.

  25. 28

    Richard Wheeler

    @kitt: You are speaking about one of many instances—it’s a pattern—do you see this at Cruz or Rubio or Kasich events? “If one person calls you an ass disregard him. If many call you an ass.—buy a saddle.”

  26. 29

    Bill

    @Richard Wheeler: No. Link them.

    I’ve never stated I support Trump. I voted for Cruz in Texas, where he won overwhelmingly (despite the assertion by leftists that he is “hated” in Texas).

    By the way, the Republican turnout in Texas swamped the Democrat turnout. I stood in line for an hour and a half to vote. Despite being told repeatedly this was a Repubublican primary only polling place, the guy in front of me got to the table and asked for a Democrat ballot. As he walked away, pissed because he couldn’t vote there, I said, “That’s why they vote Democrat.” Then, the guy behind me steps up and asks for a Democrat ballot!

    I’m beginning to understand Hillary’s popularity.

  27. 30

    kitt

    @Richard Wheeler: I am sure the other candidates have protesters as well but Trump is news, attention, spotlight a chance to be on television and be portrayed as the oppressed. They have regularly been disrupting his events oh yes a pattern THEY created. Now quit making me defend Trump it makes me feel…sniff sniff so … dirty. 😉

  28. 31

    Nanny G

    @Richard Wheeler: @Bill: You haven’t seen videos of people being forcibly removed from Trump rallies with red faced Donald yelling encouragement?—his supporters love it.
    It’s on the news almost every night

    And it stands in sharp contrast to BernieSanders ceding the podium he paid for to a couple of BLM females!
    That’s what you miss, Richard.
    The compare and contrast.
    Hillary has also had a couple of weak responses to BLM’ers.
    One, recently led Hillary to comment, on video, ”then why don’t you run for something.”
    WEAK!

  29. 33

    Randy

    @Tony Plank: Being truthful is quite a good predictable quality. We need more of that. If you want to be more effective when addressing a Dr John,Nanny G or Bill post, you may want to be more accurate in your definitions and descriptions. They will call you on sloppy work every time.

  30. 34

    Richard Wheeler

    @Nanny G:Kitt and Bill—Everyone here should keep it as real and as honest as possible—–they’ll be enough lying from the pols..
    Bill Another Texan joining Pete and o5 in support of Cruz over Trump–helped give him double digit win. Don’t believe “leftists” assert he’s hated in Texas—Repubs, including Trump, assert he’s hated in Congress
    .Romney today—what’s he thinking?

  31. 36

    Bill

    @Nanny G: First and foremost, BLM deserves no voice; their entire reason for being is based on lies and since these lies are racist in nature (white cops kill black people at will for no reason), BLM is a racist organization. So, ejecting their ranting sycophants by whatever means (it appears the videos of them being dragged out while white crowds spit on them and shout curses and racial epithets as a red-faced, frothing Trump cheers them on are still being retrieved) is by no means a race-based action.

    Meanwhile, STILL to addressing of the discrepancies between media coverage of what the left themselves describes as racist behavior of conservatives and liberals.

    HELLO?!? Anyone there?

  32. 37

    Tony Plank

    @Bill:

    Defining, redefining and re-redefining races and racism STILL doesn’t make someone a racist.

    That statement is accurate as far as it goes. When we look at these things in the black and white of newsprint, words are denuded of most of their emotional content. It is also much easier to deny the obvious implications of their words. At a bare minimum, Trump is trolling for support from bigots. To that extent, this is nothing new in politics. What is new is his cavalier use of language. All that hedge erecting aside, it is obvious to the most casual observer that this man is an unapologetic bigot.

    The same goes with saying the Chinese are manipulating issues and trade rules to benefit them and them only.

    If only he had said it that plainly. Instead, he said that the Chinese invented global warming. It is difficult reconcile that statement as anything other than a “We” versus “They” attitude.

    Actually, you continue to cling to the liberal tactic of defining something or someone as racist as a means to kill off intelligent debate.

    As I said before, this is a substantive issue. His rhetoric is a big problem for someone who seeks to run our foreign policy. I am not “defining” him: you nor I have that power. I’m examining his actual words and reaching the natural conclusion.

    By your leftist definitions, ANYTHING can be racists at any time, the SAME thing can be racist here but not racist over there (next to that liberal) and actually real racist events are NOT racist when someone you favor does it.

    Now you are generalizing about me and getting pretty far away from anything I have ever said or supported. Among your errors is assuming that I’m a leftist and that I have some racism/bigotry sliding scale. I’d love to see you try to support that.

    You and Richard choose to use the opportunity to emulate the media and attack Trump, using false claims of racism.

    I chose to quote Trump’s own language and point out its bigoted message. No false claims here. You on the other hand cherry picked a few of my examples that you could spin as not “racist” and are using that to somehow prove that he is just misunderstood.

    How about addressing the examples, whether you support Hillary, Obama, Bernie, Trump or not?

    For what it’s worth, I don’t support Hillary, Obama, Bernie, or Trump…not that this is relevant. How have I not addressed the examples? I have been pretty specific here.

    If your contention is that there is no such media bias, explain those variations.

    I have never contended anything about the media. You are the one bringing that up. I only quoted his actual words. And when I was selecting examples, I purposely skipped the most bigoted of his remarks which come from personal memoirs without independent verification.

    You are again jumping to huge conclusions based on what you think I’m saying rather than what I actually have said. Not that you or anyone would really care to know this, but I think all the major media is biased. I control for that bias by thinking critically about my sources and developing an independent view. Just because there is bias in the media, doesn’t mean that their calling him a bigot is untrue. Rather, one must understand those biases and make an informed assessment.

    Finally, I appreciate your taking the time to respond to me. I know it is hard for people stuck in the two-party miasma to see things outside that one-dimensional word where people must fit one set of assumptions or another. I’d encourage you to reach beyond those narrow political confines with your rhetoric because that is what truly limits intelligent debate.

    https://tonyplank.wordpress.com/

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    Richard Wheeler

    @kitt: Agree a Mitt rant might actually help Trump in Repub.primaries.
    Interesting how G.E. critical swing states Fl. and Ohio are so important on 3/15—WINNER TAKE ALL–and closed. Trump win in Fla. will effectively finish Rubio—-Ohio looks close.- Kasich win continues his bid.

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    Tony Plank

    @Randy:

    Being truthful is quite a good predictable quality. We need more of that. If you want to be more effective when addressing a Dr John,Nanny G or Bill post, you may want to be more accurate in your definitions and descriptions. They will call you on sloppy work every time.

    So in your view I have been ineffective and sloppy. And I think you are calling me untruthful as well.

    I’ll work on more accurate definitions just for you. But just in case you missed it, I was the one that advanced a definition of race, but when I suggested that he advance a definition and agreed to use it here on the blog, Bill demurred.

    https://tonyplank.wordpress.com/

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    Bill

    @Tony Plank:

    That statement is accurate as far as it goes. When we look at these things in the black and white of newsprint, words are denuded of most of their emotional content. It is also much easier to deny the obvious implications of their words. At a bare minimum, Trump is trolling for support from bigots.

    Again, how? Because he has said “Chinese”? What would YOU call them? Because he points out that we suffer from crime due to some (not all) of the illegal immigrants that come here and, by their very, under-the-radar nature, endeavor to commit crimes and get a way with it (not to mention the protection of sanctuary cities)? Because, accurately, he points out that ISIS has stated they plan to infiltrate their terrorists with Syrian refugees and, since we have a failed system of vetting them, we should repair that system before we invite a known Trojan horse in? All this is bigoted because you define it as such, not because it meets any already known criteria.

    As I said before, this is a substantive issue. His rhetoric is a big problem for someone who seeks to run our foreign policy. I am not “defining” him: you nor I have that power. I’m examining his actual words and reaching the natural conclusion.

    Yet it still boils down to YOUR definition of racism (which is, generally, anything he says while you ignore liberal remarks and actions) which is not THE definition of racism.

    I have never contended anything about the media. You are the one bringing that up. I only quoted his actual words.

    No, I’m NOT the one bringing it up; Dr. John is… it is the subject of the article. The liberal media treats stories about “racism” directed at a conservative or Republican differently than they do Democrats. YOU treat stories about “racism” directed at a conservative or Republican differently than they do Democrats. This is a fact, because you are doing it right here and now. YOU won’t address the topic for being too busy accusing Trump of being a racist, then working your way backwards from the accusation to create some sort of “proof”.

    @Richard Wheeler: I could have supported Romney again; he was a good candidate with excellent qualifications. However, during the debate when “too much” Candy Crowley waddled to the defense of Obama as he flailed about over the Benghazi debacle, he should have lit into her, like Gingrich did in another debate, and tore her to pieces for taking sides in the debate, then pivoted BACK to Obama and forced him to explain the varying stories about how Benghazi happened. Instead, he looked dumbfounded and shocked and let the moment pass.

    Anyone that runs against today’s Democrat has to be a blood-thirsty beast without compassion or remorse for their opponent for the Democrat and their media allies certainly will have none. Either you loose for being too nice or you loose for being too aggressive… or, you win BECAUSE you were aggressive. You are NOT, however, going to win against dirty politics by out-nice-ing them.

    @Tony Plank:

    but when I suggested that he advance a definition and agreed to use it here on the blog, Bill demurred.

    1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
    2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.

    I’m not sure how much more clear to make what I regard as race. RacISM would be attacking, denigrating or discriminating according to race. Currently, racism is also USING race as a weapon, such as accusing anyone you disagree with but have no valid argument against as “racist”.

    I do NOT regard as racist a rational recognition of economic, national security or criminal issues that may actually involve a specific race, culture or religion.

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    Randy

    @Tony Plank: When someone uses race when they really mean someone of a different color, that is sloppy and lacks quality. I believe several people corrected you. Words have meaning.

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    Tony Plank

    @Randy:

    Actually, the “correction” never happened. I am the only one thus far that has proffered a definition of race. So unless you are willing to back up and fill in that gap, you are as sloppy as Bill.

    Honestly, you want to be sanctimonious about your semantic superiority, yet, like Bill, seem unwilling to back it up.

    “Race” is a difficult word…I called this out politely on Bill’s first attempt to “correct” me. Time to start walking the walk before you start slinging the “S” word around.

    http://tonyplank.wordpress.com

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    Bill

    @Tony Plank:

    Actually, the “correction” never happened. I am the only one thus far that has proffered a definition of race. So unless you are willing to back up and fill in that gap, you are as sloppy as Bill.

    To be accurate, I actually provided the definition while you only provide the ways and purposes for which you would like to use it.

    All while avoiding discussion of the actual TOPIC.

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    Tony Plank

    @Bill:

    Actually, I did miss your previous post entirely where you gave a definition of race. Didn’t see the email-my mistake.

    But now that you have provided a definition, it exactly supports my view that race is too fuzzy a concept to talk usefully about.

    “1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
    2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.

    Then you add,

    Currently, racism is also USING race as a weapon, such as accusing anyone you disagree with but have no valid argument against as “racist”.

    So, you have advanced a private definition of racism which I will agree to abide by here. This is an easy matter because Trumps intolerance falls much more easily into the category of bigot.

    Do you have a definition of bigot that I am not aware of? Is this labelling offensive to you in any way?

    Lastly, you suggested that I was “avoiding discussion of the actual TOPIC. “

    Interesting. I thought you had run it off the rails. I had made a simple observation that

    It is impossible for me to imagine anyone making Trump look more racist than his own words already have done.

    After this bit of attempted humor, I responded to your question, “What would some of his racist words be?”

    You were baiting me to try to make me seem like the very type of character that was being decried in the OP. You made a very admirable attempt, but failed because his words do indeed make him look racist bigoted.

    Now, if we had actually had a conversation about the OP, what you would have discovered is that I loathe the race-baiting that was being called out. I have long been critical of those who see everything through the lens of racial politics. In my view, it is not that racial politics isn’t real, but rather, many things that get cast that way do not have anything to do with race—as you have repeatedly pointed out in the process of regaling me with your semantic “superiority”.

    I never avoided the actual TOPIC…it was unfortunately never relevant to your vituperation.

    But, I stand by my original statement. Trump is a raging bigot and his own words provide conclusive proof.

    https://tonyplank.wordpress.com/

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    Bill

    @Tony Plank:

    So, you have advanced a private definition of racism which I will agree to abide by here. This is an easy matter because Trumps intolerance falls much more easily into the category of bigot.

    No, this is no anomaly. If racism is nothing more than a political tool and weapon, that is racist. That is exploiting race, just as Democrats have done since the advent of the War On Poverty which Lyndon Johnson so eloquently described HIS view of its impact. Racism is denigrating a people solely because of their race and impoverishing a people so they are dependent upon the government they wish to control is denigrating those people, relegating them to political props and pawns.

    Still you cannot back up your accusations of racism and/or bigotry with any sort of acceptable example. Let us let that one go then.

    Still you cannot address the topic of how the corrupt liberal media treats what they regard as “racism” among the right and the left differently. Might as well give that one up, too.

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    Tony Plank

    @Bill:

    Still you cannot back up your accusations of racism and/or bigotry with any sort of acceptable example. Let us let that one go then.

    I totally backed this up: you just disagree.

    I will remind you of the easy one from my early post:

    “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”

    Trump said that. I didn’t make it up. If you don’t think that is strong evidence of bigotry, then yeah, let’s let it go.

    Still you cannot address the topic of how the corrupt liberal media treats what they regard as “racism” among the right and the left differently. Might as well give that one up, too.

    Why should I address this? I totally agree the media is biased. I’ve said that before. You just want to pick a fight and do not seem to care whether an actual substantive disagreement exists between us. I think you labeled me as a liberal and said a lot of things that you can’t support based on assumptions you made. Now you can’t wrap your head around the fact that I might actually agree with you on a few things.

    As I said in my previous post,

    You were baiting me to try to make me seem like the very type of character that was being decried in the OP. You made a very admirable attempt, but failed because his words do indeed make him look racist bigoted.

    Looks like I nailed it precisely. You are a liberal-baiter.

    https://tonyplank.wordpress.com/

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    Bill

    @Tony Plank:

    “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”

    First, Muslims are not a race. Second, since Carter did the same thing WITHOUT any uproar, this is neither unprecedented or unreasonable. We have SEEN that our capabilities to vet these refugees is both lacking in resources and determination, so what Trump proposes not only make good national security sense, not only has Democrat precedent but has been agreed upon by some top national security advisers.

    So, yeah, I disagree that this represents any irrational hatred of any particular group.

    Not only do you apparently agree that the media is biased but you join along with them when it suits you.

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