And she’s not the only one. It has been reported that someone in the chain of Hillary Clinton emails stripped away the “Secret” designation prior to forwarding them on to Hillary:
A Hillary Clinton insider might have stripped the most serious “secret” markings from her emails to disguise extremely sensitive information, a State Department source told Fox News Wednesday.
And the former secretary of state and Democratic presidential contender sent and received emails containing classified information — including spy satellite intelligence — over her private unsecured server.
Stripping classification designations from intelligence information is a felony under federal law, Fox News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano told Megyn Kelly on Wednesday’s “The Kelly File.”
Judge Andrew Napolitano downgraded her condition:
Earlier in the day, Napolitano said on “Fox & Friends” that the Clinton email scandal was a “grave situation” for her legal team.
Sixteen hours later during his appearance on “The Kelly File,” he upgraded her legal vulnerability to “worse than grave.”
This is very logical. It now fits the known facts perfectly.
In Iowa Clinton said:
“I did not receive anything that was marked as classified.”
She also said:
“I am confident that I never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time it was sent or received.”
In response, Ron Fournier remarked:
“I am confident that’ has more wiggle room than ‘is.’ ”
Indeed. To understand this, you have to be familiar with Clintonspeak:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3wLC3XFb-k[/youtube]
“It all depends on what your definition of ‘is’, is.”
It makes perfect sense for Hillary to claim that she did not send or receive anything that was marked “classified” if someone stripped it off before it went to her server. And I predict that it is what the contents of her server will reflect.
The question is then- who did it? The most likely answer is either Huma Abedin or Cheryl Mills. Mills’ lawyer announced her intention to destroy her emails but then she and Abedin were ordered not to even think about it.
Here’s the bottom line: Clinton directed someone- most likely Abedin or Mills- to strip away the “top secret” markings from the emails to give Clinton cover and allow her to make the claims she’s made. That Mills or Abedin would act on her own is not believable. That Clinton as Secretary of State was never to receive classified information over an email system is not believable.
Hillary made clear she knew how everything works:
So I’m certainly well-aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material.
I do not doubt that for one second. She also knew what it would take try to circumvent the rules. It should be a simple matter of comparing the emails she received with the original emails sent in order to determine who stripped the “secret” designations away.
Without a doubt she constructed this labyrinthine plot to avoid scrutiny of her side deals for personal profit while at State. Fortunately this House of Cards is soon to fall. Amusingly, The Hill reports that democrats wonder why Clinton decided to hand over her server now. She didn’t “choose” to hand it over. She gave it up to avoid the spectacle of the FBI banging on her front door and physically seizing it- like they normally would to regular people.
This is no longer simply mishandling classified information. This is now a full blown conspiracy. One wonders which, if either, Clinton aide will fall on her sword and go to prison for Clinton.
Exit question: Why would anyone destroy every bit of evidence that would exonerate her?
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
David Bossie over at Breitbart calls what the Clintons (and their supportive media) are doing the “Keyser Soze Defense.”
There have been sympathetic articles falsely calling the 1990’s scandal Whitewater a ”fake” scandal.
Really?
The Whitewater investigation resulted in 24 indictments, at least 16 convictions.
Some of the other “fake” scandals being referred to are probably the foreign money campaign finance scandal following President Clinton’s re-election campaign in 1996 that resulted in 26 prosecutions, including longtime Clinton benefactor James Riady.
See: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/sidney-blumenthal-fake-clinton-scandals-118389.html#.VczDsvlVhBc
Webster Hubbell spent plenty of time behind bars to protect the Clintons…..being well rewarded afterwards.
Sidney Blumenthal worked for the Clintons well before his emails were hacked exposing Hillary was sending classified materials to him.
Can Hillary convince America that her latest scandals are ”old news?”
She is trying to.
If it works she can get elected.
If justice still moves forward at a slow rate she might serve some part of her presidency from a prison cell.
But she will never quit.
Not unless she has a medical emergency of some sort.
Hillary is also supposed to be smart enough to recognize what classified information looks like, even if lacking the designations. Since she is operating outside the regulations and using her own private server, if she was diligent she would have confirmed the nature of the information before passing it along.
She has no way out of this. Exactly what was being accused of her is what the facts are.
Intentional destruction of evidence is a crime. It does not matter that there are “other copies” available. Cheryl Mills’ lawyer should have warned her of that before she made such an arrogant statement. From the Politico link provided:
A important question for Mills by Prosecutors, once she is on the stand is: “Who at the State Department asked you do destroy evidence?”
@Bill, #2:
There was no regulation forbidding the use of private servers until after she left office.
Her emails have only recently been classified, when review became necessary owing to demands that they be made available to people other than those to which the emails were originally directed.
There’s no indication that classified information was mentioned or discussed with anyone who wasn’t full authorized to know about it.
@Greg: No, Greg. The Top Secret information was Top Secret when put on her server. While we are learning that apparently someone removed the classifications from s of the information (illegal), is it possible to believe that the Secretary of State could be looking at satellite images and not assume they were classified?
There are, certainly, much that has happened that we don’t know about; perhaps that is the whole reason for the private server and the stonewalling. But, thisuch is clear; Hillary has been caught lying… ALOT.
What we know with any degree of certainty is virtually nothing, other than the fact that any classified information on Clinton’s server is still under such tight control that no one who shouldn’t know presently doesn’t know what it might be. The main threat of leaks and compromises at the moment might well be from the people who are trying to pry that information out of the State Department’s control for political purposes. If anything found could be politically damaging, it might quickly be leaked to the media. Of that possibility I have little doubt.
@Greg:
Classified information cannot be stored on a private server. She knew it was classified since she directed the secret designation be removed before it reached her. This is all a grand scheme
@Greg:
Regulations regarding the handling and distribution of classified information, including electronically, have existed long before Hillary became Secretary of State. EVERYONE in the government who might come in contact with classified information receives training on the proper proceedures. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
You call yourself a veteran but you don’t know that? What, were you sleeping during that part of your military orientation?
@Ditto, #8:
I’m a veteran who once handled classified military communications on a daily basis, to whatever extent that’s relevant to Hillary Clinton’s situation.
Clinton’s emails are being reviewed for sensitive content and classified as required at present because their release has been demanded to people who were not part of the audience to which they were originally directed. Originally they were internal State Department communications between specific parties whose security status was known to all concerned at the time the communication occurred. They have only recently acquired the status of “classified documents” because of the risk that they will now be given unintended exposure—possibly even to the extent of being deliberately leaked to the media.
I strongly suspect there are people among the lynch mob leadership who would make a calculated decision to covertly compromise national security if it would provide the means to destroy their political opponent once and for all. They would rationalize this as a patriotic act. Edward Snowden is considered a patriot in some circles.
@Greg:
Think about what you are saying, Greg. First, we know nothing (or next to nothing) about her emails because she had State Department business on a private server. Had she followed the rules, those needing to know WOULD know. WE do not necessarily need to know, but when the government needs access to that information, it has been kept from them. Up until now, Hillary has been guarding what BELONGS to the people as if it was her own.
Her server was under HER tight control, not to protect state secrets (remember, not only was there not supposed to be classified information on her private, unsecured server, but she PLEDGED there was none.
It is against the law to leave classified information laying around, Greg. For God’s sake, her private email server was discovered when Guccifer hacked Blumenthal’s email and got into it. Yeah, that’s secure.
And she had TOP SECRET intel on it. You know, allowing some intel to fall into the wrong hands can put lives in danger, not to mention national security. Hillary doesn’t seem too worried about minor details like that. She thinks she should be President.
@Greg:
What we do know now is that Hillary’s personal server has been purged. Wiped clean by a professional who knew what they were doing. Now, that road will lead to who purged the server.
Tell me, Greggie Goebbels, do you serve any purpose in life other than being a spin doctor for the left?
You’re a useful idiot.
@Greg: You “might” be a veteran…but you are a blind zealot supporting a party without using rational thought. You’d never offer the same to your “enemies”.
All of your thoughts are biased, prejudiced, wishful thinking. Nothing more. I can’t take you’re points seriously.
You obviously don’t, either. If a “conservative” spoke as you do, you’d dismiss them…immediately.
One of the first things that the latter day right-wing propaganda machine focused on was convincing its target audience that all competing media sources, lumped together as “the mainstream media,” were the purveyors of lies, and that anyone disagreeing with the right wing’s propaganda construct were themselves the victims of brainwashing. It’s a typical cult defense mechanism.
I am biased against the political right. I came by that bias by paying close attention and thinking about what I was seeing and hearing. The left’s inattentiveness to certain obvious serious problems worries me; the right’s vulnerability to groupthink and to manipulation by any snake oil salesman that knows which buttons to push scares the hell out of me.
While I’m a strong supporter of Obama, I have never been all that happy with Hillary Clinton. If you give me a choice between Clinton and Donald Trump, however, I’ll stand in the rain for hours to cast a vote to keep that guy out of the White House. He’s not presidential material. He’s reality television material. How do republicans not see this?
@Greg:
No, you are simply a sponge for the talking heads on the left. How many times have you ever linked to a right wing source? You consistently link to left wing sources, many of them I, myself, have called you out on.
What you were seeing and hearing? Vague. No specifics. You have no basis for being a left winger except that you are a useful idiot.
How many Republican candidates are there, Greggie Goebbels? The election is over a year away. An eternity in political terms. Hell, by then, Hillary could be in jail and Bernie Sanders could die of old age.
Nope, you are simply a mouth piece for the DNC. You pump out any absurd, Saul Alinsky type crap you read on left leaning sites.
If Hillary goes to prison, will bill visit her for conjugal visits? He will probably get VERY lonely.
Food for thought. The following copied from PJMedia.
A JOURNALIST WHO REQUESTS ANONYMITY WRITES:
WHAT NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT BUT WHAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO WORRY ABOUT
Hillary will be totally blackmail-able if elected. Here’s the logic:
1. It’s safe to say that there were things on that server which could cause Hillary tremendous harm politically – which is why she destroyed the evidence that would have been exculpatory if you believed her explanation. In my mind, it’s also why she used a private server to begin with.
2. She is lying about what was on that server, potentially to include while under oath in her upcoming congressional testimony.
3. If someone had all the copies of her emails and those of her staff, they could readily blackmail her because of the above. They’d have proof of her wrongdoing and her lying about it.
4. Hillary Clinton, as both a future Presidential candidate and a sitting Sec. of State would have been one of the Top 100 intelligence targets in the world and probably one of the top 10.
5. It’s thus certain that the Chinese and Russians would each have had a team focused on accessing her communications.
6. Every security expert I know of has said it’s a virtual certainty the Chinese and Russians both gained access to her server and all her emails. From what I know about their capabilities, I’d agree.
There are probably a bunch of folks in China and Russia who are praying (even if they’re atheists) for Hillary to be elected. If she wins, they own the President of the United States. I can just imagine in a meeting with Putin, Hillary being told to back off supporting Ukraine or he’ll release her emails (as he hands her a folder containing the most damaging ones for her to peruse). Put in that position, would Hillary fall on her sword or sacrifice a country like Ukraine? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t want to be living in Ukraine…
Someone with that kind of vulnerability to blackmail shouldn’t be allowed to sweep the floors of the NSA, much less run our country.
She’s ”grave,” or she’s ”toast?”
I don’t think so.
Look how the DNC is twisting itself into a pretzel for her.
For the last two election cycles the DNC had a rule on their books that prohibited attendance in an official debate IF a candidate debates in a non-DNC sanctioned debate.
During both election seasons that rule was ignored by most of the Democrats running for office.
Both Bernie Sanders and Martin O’Malley want more debates than the 6 official ones that start Oct 16 on CNN.
They are being warned by the DNC not to debate one another lest they guarantee a lone Hillary at all 6 official debates!
That sucks.
But it makes sense in terms of a DNC/Hillary coronation.
ABC News broke a story that Hillary ordered a book that taught how to wipe a server absolutely clean.
But even that is not enough to toast her.
and Dr J
Anymore expert medical opinions on the amount of brain damage Hillary suffered in that fall? Looks like the funny glasses didn’t last as long as you thought they ,ight have to be worn
i wonder if tovarish greg realizes that everything not fully communist socialist is to the right…and that was from staljn and the cpusa??? left and right prior to that was french and had to do with parlimentary seating…
next he will claim this latvian whose family is from the workers paradIse and lived under the fascists as well, is wrong…
then he will say, dictatorship of the proletariat is not the stated goal
@Nanny G, #17:
Anyone who has conducted any sort of business using a computer needs such information. A reformatted hard drive is not truly erased. Sensitive data can easily be recovered using readily available utilities. Suppose, for example, you have lists and private information about your customers, or contributor lists with names, addresses, and credit card numbers; maybe you’ve simply done your taxes online and printed out copies of your tax forms; maybe you’ve got several years of personal email correspondence. If you simply delete the files or reformat your old hard drive when you move on to a new computer, you’ve left all of that for someone to find. Old computers and parts go overseas for salvage—or for whatever.
I’m presently using the 7th home computer that I’ve owned. That’s more than I went through at work. I still have #6. The location of the other 5 is a complete mystery.
It would be totally irresponsible for any high-placed person in either the public or private sector NOT to understand what’s involved with permanent data deletion. Otherwise their own personal data and that of anyone they have done business with is at risk.
Proper email management is book-length topic in and of itself. Here’s a link to the book Clinton wanted to borrow. It’s ludicrous that this would become a dot in the right’s connect the dots game. Maybe Glenn Beck has been hired as a conspiracy consultant.
@Greg:
The RIGHT’s vulnerability to groupthink?!? Who was it that elected a community organizer on the virtue of “Hope and Change”? Who is it that STILL clings to Hillary as some sort of viable candidate (if she ever actually was) even after her failure as Secretary of State and, her dishonesty when it comes to contributions and now… this.
I swear, Greg; you DO have a unique ability to project the failures of liberalism on everyone else.
So it is your judgement that it is better to have a proven liar, one proven to have mishandled Top Secret information and either didn’t know what it was or lied about it, most likely traded much of the U.S. stocks of uranium for monetary contributions and, by her very own standards, is NOT capable of taking that 4 am phone call than a capitalist? YOU voted for Obama, who has lied about everything he promised and has done; what terrible things do you think Trump is going to do? What WORSE could he do than Obama has wrought?
But, Greg; Hillary had the server “secure”, right? And, she was NEVER going to give it up? Why would she need to clean it? And why just before handing it over to the FBI?
@Smorgasbord: Bill would be happy to visit the prison for conjugal visits… just not with her.
@john: Exactly how does one detect brain damage in a liberal? If they suddenly start pursuing policies that would actually HELP America?
Clinton’s scandals. Like green slime slipping through a child’s fingers.
@Greg
After reading this thread and listening to you, i realize your just a liberal socialist leftist poseur of a non leftist. the “right” as you ans Stalin point out is nothing of the sort as there is no collective right, there is only collectivist left, and you think like a collectivist, and project that others are just like you, collective.
no, the not left as i prefer to call them, is and are individualists… ie. individuals so varied in tastes that they may only seem as a group by how their interests overlap, but they are seldom homogeneous nor similar enough that someone like you can describe them…
point one is clear you have little idea of what your talking about or asserting. i can tick tock through your posts and show you how you project what you do and what you think makes equal, but is nothing of the sort.
take the news, you obviously do not check the veracity of such, and so, you just blindly believe your not being lied to, while projecting your bubble to others, who DO check facts to determine who is lying. you are not also cognizant that the left considers lying for its side to be a goodness, while the not left believes that lying is bad, even if its for your side… you dont grasp that, and please dont say that you do, its obvious… and most people dont like your pissing on their legs and telling them its raining.
the drive information will be recoverable… you cant recover it, but given how they are made and work, there are resources that can recover the data even if its written over as many as seven times. (i work in IT)
your quite the cookie cut out leftist and dont even realize it!!!
very funny tovarish… very funny..
I’m not your problem. Facts are your problem. Facts and Donald Trump, who at this very moment is holding a televised press conference and going through the field of other republican hopefuls (the term “other” based on the questionable assumption that Trump actually is a republican) like Sherman went through Georgia. He’s going to leave the GOP in shambles, and then become either their un-electable candidate or a third party spoiler. But don’t listen to me. I’m just somebody who states what he thinks he’s seeing. I’ve been wrong way more than once.
@Greg: How electable is Hillary?
@Greg:
Greggie Goebbels, do you not understand that most people think you are nothing more than a pathetic joke? You brattle on about Trump. But you ignore than there is a political eternity before the November, 2016 elections. Candidates will rise, candidates will fall, and hopefully, one candidate will be doing a perp walk.
As much as you leftwingers brattle on about Trump, he must scare the hell out of you.
So here is your system: respond to a post saying nothing more than Republicans, bad; Democrats, good. When called on a comment you make, run and hide or play the subject shell game (don’t look at past comment, look at this one). When that doesn’t work, rinse, repeat.
You really think you are impressing anyone with your bullshite? And as much as you post here, it is obvious that you have no life.
Apparently you don’t recognize a hostile takeover when you see one. It involves a different set of skills than winning a presidential election.
@Greg:
IOW, you have nothing of import to say and so you are, once again, just mumbling idiotic blatherings.
Another problem for Hillary that adds nails to her coffin.
Her own campaign team is out of the loop!
Right after law enforcement officials became interested in Hillary’s emails Hillary’s campaign team realized they have no idea where this inquiry will go.
Their apparent lack of concern began to turn into a sense of anxiety.
It has become clear to her own campaign workers and leaders that a number of her statements defending her actions now appear to be false.
Clinton’s team was not aware of the Justice Department’s involvement until it was reported late the evening of July 23 by the New York Times.
So, whose side is she on?
Even her own workers are out of the loop!
How long before she starts losing campaign workers?
Will the media cover it when it starts to happen?
@Greg: You realize that leftist collectivists have made those pronouncements like that for over 100 years and like their economics, have failed on those points. It reminds me so much when the same political people were commenting on Jimmy Carter. History repeats and usually as a farce. good job.
so far socialism has claimed capitalism would end, yet, how many socialist states have failed financially? chavez people are standing in line and acting like Spanish speaking people from the soviet union. with the leader saying the same old conspiracy of the rightists against him, as you say too. its a meaningless chant as its endlessly applied to explain away the lefts 100% consistent historical failures. if you even try to say that capitalism is failing, just note that it took huge doses and games of the left to do it till its barely free market at all anymore.. (i wonder how many little girls got tickets this year for lemonade stands).
making endless claims as to the end of this or that, and so on is one of the most developed and repetitious negativity from the left that pretends to be positive by making everything else seem negative (and they will fix it as soon as they have control of the money, the resources, the laws, the weather, the energy, and even the peoples behaviors.
its truly amazing when you step back and see the depth and breadth of it is and its contradictions and reversals. .
@Mully: #16
From what the story says, I’m guessing that Russia and China are trying to send hillary’s campaign all of the money they can, and are also doing everything they can to get her elected.
@Greg: #20
If everything was EXACTLY the same, except that it was Condoleezza Rice, instead of hillary clinton, would you be defending Rice?
@Greg:
Oh? Then you clearly seem to have forgotten Com-Sec regulations (or you were asleep during that part of your training.) I no longer have access to Com-Sec Protocols Manual, but I shall endeavor to recall from memory what I remember as a properly trained Air Force DSP spacecraft (spy satellites) Operator-Technician with Com-Sec classified information reporting officer duties:
Sensitive classified level communications are never sent in the clear with insecure equipment. Classified Information is never to be stored on insecure or private devices or storage media. The highest security classification level of sensitive material existent in storage determines the required level of security protocols that WILL be taken in regards to the protection of stored data. Classified information shall never, ever to be transferred to any persons who do not have the required security clearance AND who have not been officially authorized to receive said information. All classified information must be handled with great care that security classification designation labeling remains intact and is not removed. All electronic and computer containing classified data are to only to be maintained and repaired by persons holding the proper security clearances for the highest level security level of stored information. All violations of classified communications security protocols, even accidental disclosure. are expected to be promptly reported so that investigator can determine the damage.
Hillary is in deep doo-doo. Not only did she and her staff violate Com-Sec protocols, remove the data’s security classification level designation labeling. She transferred her unsecured server to persons whom (I am certain the investigation will disclose,) did not hold the proper security clearances to handle TOP SECRET information.
Your ignorance of Com-Sec protocols are as mind-numbing, as your weaseling defense of her criminal actions is both inane and misguided.
@Ditto:
Yeah, yeah, I’m duly insulted. Your encyclopedic knowledge of Com-Sec protocols notwithstanding, you have no more of a clue what was on Clinton’s server than anyone else here, myself included. More information is leaking out, however.
This from FOX News, late August 14th. Better read the story quick before FOX realizes what they’ve just reported and pulls the article. It’s a bombshell revelation, but not the sort that they intended:
‘Top secret’ emails on Clinton server discussed drone program, may reference classified info.
I’ll let the weasel words in the title pass. A few paragraphs in, we’ve got something genuinely interesting:
WHAT? Originated WHERE? Excuse me, but the Secretary of State is not responsible for failing to classify emails that originated somewhere else. No, no, I’m surely misunderstanding. They must mean that the information originated with the CIA, and Hillary Clinton carelessly mentioned her own emails, right?
Nope. Read the next paragraph, which leaves no doubt what is meant:
Got that? It was somebody in the frickin’ CIA that sent sensitive information to Hillary Clinton without considering or citing its classification status.
Even in my woeful state of ignorance about Com-Sec protocol—which no one ever noticed while I was working—I wouldn’t have fired off a message containing classified information without appropriate classification markings. Using mandatory classification markings is about as basic as anything gets. No wonder the Intelligence Community IG is concerned about what might have slipped out. Their own people seem to have been the ones that let it slip.
Yeah.
Somebody at the CIA did their job and sent information a Sec of State needed to have.
It was Hillary who failed to set up her email on a secured server.
And, who at State was it who stripped off the classified top line so Hillary could have (im)plausible deniability?
That person is going to do jail time.
@Greg:
Every government “employee” who has to handle or be knowledgeable about Communications Security receives a Com-Sec briefing which covers what I posted (and more). With my career field and duties I received additional security training, but everything I posted is standard Com-Sec orientation, and training you should have received and been well versed in having “handled classified military communications on a daily basis” . See, the problem that you have in defending Hillary, is that it was inevitable that the Secretary of State would be sent Highly Classified information in emails, especially (as she claims) if that is the only email she was using. The CIA would have sent it through their hardened and secure servers, only to have it routed through unsecured systems and eventually to her private server so that Sec-O-St. Hildabeast could receive the Classified information needed for her to her job. Hillary would have had a secure system provided her, but clearly she didn’t want to use it.
You do understand don’t you that the Internet was originally a secure Federal government only system, that existed for decades before Hillary was SoS, and that it was adapted for commercial-public use? Many of the systems I worked on had such secure lines in place before I even got out of grade school. Most of the Com-Sec protocols date to even before the computer age.
I don’t obsessively follow FOX News like you and Obama seem to. The FBI has been quite clear in the seriousness of what they have so far discovered. Of course Hillary would not be the one to classify the information. That is below her pay grade. There are experts in government who do that. That doesn’t change the facts currently known of the investigation. Someone stripped the required security designation blocks (flags, headers, etc..) for Hillary, so that the classified information could be passed out of the hardened secured government network out into the public internet traffic and from there to Hillary’s Server. There can be no doubt that classified information was sent to Hillary’s server. Her position as Secretary of State guarantees that. Otherwise The Obama administration, CIA NSA and Pentagon would have been keeping her in the dark, by not giving her the information she needed to do the job. Now, you aren’t so foolish so as to believe Obama would have kept his SoS ignorant are you? Or are you that foolish?
@Ditto, #36:
I’m not completely unfamiliar with computers, the internet, or their history. I’ve used computers daily since 1983, beginning with an Epson QX10. My personal military history goes back to the operation of AUTODIN equipment at a Com Center in Nha Trang. My training for that included a few days of hands-on experience setting up vintage Enigma machines, which I suppose was intended to provide us with a sense of historical perspective, so I figure I’ve got a reasonable degree of historical perspective. I can also recognize a juvenile pissing match when I see one. We’re probably both old enough to know better. I certainly am, and that’s a fact.
@Nanny G, #35:
Why would we conclude that anyone at the State Department stripped off the markings? Altering inbox messages without leaving a trace of the alteration isn’t easily done and poses a huge built-in problem: There’s a copy of the original unaltered message retained in the sender’s system that’s not going to match the altered copy, both on the surface and below the surface in the underlying code.
If someone in the CIA sent Clinton messages referencing Top Secret information without the appropriate classification markings, which would consist of prominent headers and footers citing Top Secret status, they most certainly WERE NOT doing their job properly, and that seems to be precisely what happened.
There’s a strict protocol for applying such markings and a strict protocol for identifying their subsequent removal. If it’s not followed, people down the line won’t realize what it is they’re handling. Anyone would expect this to be so much a part of the CIA communication routine that it’s hard to imagine it suddenly being overlooked—not once but twice, and that within a relatively tiny sample of messages that have been examined. What are the odds of that happening? In the case of the CIA, I’d guess very damn unlikely.
Once is accident, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.
I’m suddenly finding this story a hell of a lot more interesting than I did previously. I’m suddenly wondering about a possible adversarial relationship between the State Department and some faction within the CIA, possibly relating to an unknown backstory concerning the CIA’s shadowy Benghazi operation. It’s long been speculated that the diplomatic mission was actually only a cover. Some serious serious tensions could have resulted from having had two cooks in that particular kitchen, especially after the whole thing blew up in their faces.
@Greg: Sorry, but you’re wrong.
“[S]omewhere between the point they [the Top Secret emails] came into the building and the time they reached HRC’s server, someone would have had to strip the classification markings from that information before it was transmitted to HRC’s personal email.”
The official said doing so would “constitute a felony, in and of itself. I can’t imagine that a rank-and-file career DOS employee would have done this, so it was most likely done by someone in her inner circle.”
So, WHY would anyone do it?
To preserve semi-plausible deniability that she knowingly handled classified information on an insecure system.
Without the markings, how can you prove that she knew that the info on the server was classified?
Even if it should have been obvious, between the sensitivity of the info and fact that satellite photos were part of it, that the material was likely classified and shouldn’t be included in private e-mail she can plead ignorance.
OK, who wants that as president?
@Nanny G, #39:
I think with this article FOX may be doing some damage control. From the article:
No, they would not have had to. They sure as hell should have been so marked before sending, but that’s not evidence that they actually were. I would be slightly more inclined to accept FOX’s assertion at face value if they had bothered to name the State Department source they’re supposedly quoting.
The CIA should have copies of the original messages exactly as they were sent. A comparison is clearly in order, and I’m not entirely certain it’s the CIA that should be entrusted to make it.
@Ditto: #33
I have a problem when I hear a conservative call a liberal ignorant, stupid, or other derogatory word. Most of them are very smart, and are using their intelligence to accomplish their agenda of having the government take more control of our lives. Other liberals are using their intelligence to get all of the free stuff they can, including billionaires.
Most liberals are not stupid or ignorant. They know EXACTLY what they are doing, and the ones who come to FA are here to try to convert us to their way of thinking. Each time Curt reads an article from a liberal who is trying to convert us, he should be proud that FA has been targeted as a harmful media for the liberal agenda. It is almost like being targeted by obama himself.
@Bill:
That is exactly what the media and liberals (Democrats) seem to overlook. The criminal act involves her use of an outside email server. It is illegal. Never mind what was on it. (But it does matter). It was illegal (criminal) for her to have a non-government email server. It’s not a questions of when she will be tried and incarcerated, but for how long. And, what irony. She had, during her service as Secretary of State, admonished her employees that they were not to use outside of government email services for their work. It had to do with Federal Law; secrecy and security of top secret U.S. government communications.
Hillary Clinton is now Billary Clinton. In hot water for sure.
Hillary Clinton is now Lady Caniver.
Go Trump! Go!
@AdrianS, #42:
Incorrect. The use of private email server was not prohibited by law until the law was amended in late 2014, after Hillary Clinton left office. That point is not even in dispute.
Clinton received no emails that were marked Top Secret. Classification took place later, when a sample of emails on her server were closely examined. It’s beginning to look like some emails that were sent to Clinton from unidentified parties inside the CIA should have been marked Top Secret There might be a criminal investigation that comes out of that.
Who inside the CIA sent them to her in that fashion, and what was their motive for doing so? Those are a couple of very serious questions.
Alternately, the politically damaging claims of the intelligence community’s IG may turn out to be somewhat premature and misleading. It turns out that a document associated with one of the four emails he cited as highly classified had been previously examined and released in its entirety for public examination months ago.
Greg, I am as usual, astonished by the abject stupidity expressed by you and the lefties who insist upon defending the indefensible. Without a poorly secured, hacker-vulnerable personal server with which she was conducting the nation’s, (that includes you, dipshit) sensitive security, (you know, the actual mission of the state department) it would literally matter naught who sent her ANYTHING! Your deflection negates ITSELF! QED, idiot!
@Smorgasbord:
Smorgasbord, If they are stating (seemingly ignorant) things that they should know better of, such as Greg’s insistence on pushing a false narrative that a U.S. Secretary of State (oh, such as Hillary, who should well understand classified information protocols, due to the fact that Cabinet level office holders do receive proper orientation for such protocols,) could be (ahem) “ignorant” in knowing that as Secretary of State, she would in the normal course of her duties be receiving classified information…
What word would you prefer for such disingenuous behavior? Greg’s professed military background would indicate that he knows perfectly well classified information protocols, yet he wants to play this pretend game that former first lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton doesn’t? Greg also wants to pretend that the patently illegal dissemination of classified information from secure government systems (via purposeful alteration to remove security protections) to unsecured systems didn’t happen when the FBI states quite clearly that it did. Greg also wants to pretend that Hillary is incapable of recognizing classified information if she saw it. (I suppose to clear her from the responsibility of reporting the classified data breach.)
Very well, Tell me what words FA would prefer we use for such disingenuous behavior.
@Ditto: #45
Troll
They could be working with the democratic party to try to sway people away from the republican party. If you follow their post times, you will see that some of them are posting many times during the day, and sometimes, even into the night. A person with a regular job can’t post all through the day like they do. It is probably a full-time job for them. Keep track of their post times, and keep in mind that FA is just ONE blog they go to. Do they spend as much time on other conservative blogs?
Are you sure he has a military background, or that he is a he? On the Internet, you can be whatever you want to be.
Democratic covert operative
There is no FBI investigation of Hillary as a target
As for your posting about when people can or how they can post and still have s full time job I drive a truck. I can post when. I want
@John: #47
I drove a truck for 20 years (14 over the road, and 6 dedicated). I made more money dedicated, and I had weekends and holidays off.
@Greg:
How do you know that? Oh… because Hillary (who has, up till now, been totally honest and up-front with us all) says it.
@John:
Yeah, keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at nights. Meanwhile her campaign is in serious damage control mode.