Mr. President, you are a goddam liar.

If President Obola where to tell the truth no one who would believe him!! He lied about Obolacare regarding keeping or losing Health Insurance and/or Doctor “period”. He lied about his economic recovery plan, remember shovel ready BS? He lied about Benghazi being caused by an English Speaking video vs Radical Islamic Terrorism. He lied about the evil Muslim Terrorist who murdered our soldiers in Texas and had the gall to call this workplace violence!! He demonstrates his racist tendencies as he attempts to show favoritism towards the black man. He has attempted to grant amnesty to those who enter out country illegally and he has done this for political gain. He was not and never will be qualified to be President. Now he goes on a $6 million trip to Kenya where he gives them $1 billion dollars and then he blames Republicans for lack of resources. The most evil President our country has ever seen!!

@Bill: Amen Bill

You haven’t endorsed Trump—-Yet

@Nanny G: Would you suggest we lower the minimum wage to $5hr? Would this help? How’s your gold doing?
Do you think Obama is lying about his place of birth?

@rich wheeler:
It isn’t a false dilemma, Rich.
You don’t have to even have a minimum wage.
Some states don’t.
Utah’s is very low and thus everyone has a job if he/she wants one.
The cost of living here is lower, too.
So, there is plenty of money to go around.
Some few people here still refuse to work…..they are homeless.
They literally have to try to beg right in front of Help Wanted signs!
Must be tough.

As if the political right has been completely truthful about much of anything…

Obama “lies,” and we get health coverage for millions of Americans who previously had no access to it.

Bush “lies,” and we get a body count of over 4,000 American soldiers, $6 trillion in past and future war-related costs, the collapse of Iraq as a foil against Iran, and ISIS.

@Bill, #10:

Obama lies and 6 million people LOSE their insurance.

Six million policies were discontinued by insurance companies because they didn’t measure up to the minimum acceptable standards required by the Patient Protection and Affordable Car Act. That would equate not to 6 million people who were subsequently without insurance, but to 6 million people who were faced with the need to find better coverage than they had previously, in a new environment where they can not be denied the right to purchase it.

I’m sure the auto industry could sell millions of dirt cheap automobiles, if they were allowed to disregard all basic safety and quality standards in their dirt cheap products.

Meanwhile, Bush DIDN’T lie (or even “lie”) and it is a lie to say so, especially when you KNOW it to be a lie.

I suppose Cheney did much of the lying for him, if you want to get technical about it.

Bush’s “spreading mushroom cloud” imagery was a damned lie, if ever there was one. It was used to heighten the fear that was needed to sell the invasion of a nation that had not attacked us and had no capability to do so. No such threat existed, nor was there any prospect that it would at any time in the foreseeable future.

@Matt:

BTW name one general, military official or intelligence force that indicated Bush lied

Do you require some symbol of authority to tell you what is true or not, when all of the information is now out there, allowing anyone to draw a conclusion of their own?

Perhaps you would prefer that the word “lie” not be used. Instead, I suppose we could say that the Bush administration was tragically mistaken and very assertive about their wrong headedness, with highly unfortunate consequences.

Of course, you folk do seem to like to throw around the words “lie” and “liar” a lot, at least in connection with other people. That tends to set the tone of the debate.

@Greg:

BushObama “lies,” and we get a body count of over 4,000 2,000 American soldiers, their flag draped caskets ignored by the lame stream press, $6 trillion in past and future war-related costs the national debt almost doubled from the $10,656 trillion it was when Bush left office and in less than 7 years and the collapse of Iraq as a foil against Iran, and ISIS.

There fixed it for you, Greggie Goebbels.

@Bill:

You have to understand; Greggie Goebbels is willfully stupid. He knows the truth, but he is so indoctrinated in the progressive talking points that he comes here, day after day, to play the part of the Obama sycophant and useful idiot.

You see, Greggie Goebbels has bought into the Socialist utopia dream hook, line and sinker. As I told him before, he would have made an ideal Nazi.

@Bill, #16:

6 MILLION PEOPLE that had doctors and policies they liked had the rug pulled out from under them.

How many of those were unable to replace their sub-standard policies with better coverage? Got a number for that?

The improvements that have resulted from the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act greatly outweigh the problems involved in making the transition. On the whole, Americans are better off with respect to healthcare access after than before. Republicans aren’t going to repeal it because they realize that would immediately become apparent. They’re going to talk about doing so, however, for however long there’s negative energy to be harnessed and votes to be had from keeping the “issue” alive.

I prefer people in government who actually accomplish positive things for the nation to those who only appeal to public anger and fantasies while doing absolutely nothing.

@Greg:
Greg

It’d be great if you could stop with the “Bush lied” assertions. Word has done a fabulous job of putting the lie to them.

TIA!

@Greg:

As you have been told multiple times, Bush did not lie about Iraq, no matter how much you leftists continue to cling to the delusion. Democrats like Hillary and Kerry saw the same intelligence that Bush saw, and voted to go to war. Iraq collapsed AFTER Obama stupidly pulled our troops out prematurely.

The over 20-30 videos of Obama lying about keeping your doctor and your insurance, as well as the lies about decreasing medical insurance costs, stating that obamacare was not a tax (then arguing in court it was legal as a tax) , then compounding his dishonesty with the lie that obamacare subsidies were never meant to be limited to those states that set up their own exchanges, despite at least 3 videos of the architect Gruber specifically stating that states which did not set up exchanges would be ineligible for federal subsidies, is glaring evidence of Obama’s lying.

@Pete, #23:

Democrats like Hillary and Kerry saw the same intelligence that Bush saw, and voted to go to war.

They saw the cherry-picked intelligence that the Bush administration wanted them to see. They did not see the intelligence and evaluations that had been rejected because it didn’t support the desired conclusions, or that called into question the information and sources that did.

Did the Bush administration mislead the country during the runup to the Iraq war?

Yep all them Clinton appointees in via just rolled for Bush
Just more BS to make. Case without evidence
Just like Michael Brown… The left is great for trial by mob rule and the evidence be damned

@Bill:

GODDAMN you are a stupid f***ing MORON! How many times do you need to be TOLD?!? They supported the intelligence years BEFORE Bush became President. Who was cherry-picking THEN, you IDIOT?

I sincerely apologize for the names but, DAMN, are you TRYING to prove how dense you can be? SHEESH!!

No need to apologize for telling the truth. Ignore his stupid ass posts and keep your blood pressure down.

@Greg:

I’m afraid I don’t automatically believe what I am told to believe, no matter who is doing the telling.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If what you are saying is actually true of employee health insurance—that people are actually paying 4 to 5 times as much as before—republicans should have no difficulty whatsoever winning the 2016 election.

I’m guessing it’s b.s. for the simple reason that no one I know has told me that this has happened. The only place it seems to be happening is in the conservative media.

@Greg:

I’m afraid I don’t automatically believe what I am told to believe, no matter who is doing the telling.

Yeah, you do….

Dumbass.

You’ve never offered an original thought outside of the liberal canon.

Again, who do you work/volunteer for? The DNC, in some way. I’m convinced. You can’t be that wrong and that stupid, pounding away at things already proven false without a) being paid to do it, or b) being a “true believer”.

And the “conservative” media…yeah, that’s the issue in the this country…all those damn conservatives who own the networks and all those conservative actors/celebrities. You’re swimming in a sea of the opposing view, aren’t you?

Balance, and freedom of thought, can be a bitch for the true believer/paid lapdog. Tell your handlers that you are reinforcing the right-wing agenda rather than combating it. You’re just noise, at this point…idiot.

@Greg:

Greg

ACA was never about health care. It is a massive redistribution of wealth. Second, you keep missing the fact coverage isn’t care.

@drjohn: Being forced to buy insurance that you can only afford if it has a deductible so high you could never use it isn’t coverage or care; it’s a penalty.

But, HOORAY!! We signed up a bunch of people!!

@Greg:

If what you are saying is actually true of employee health insurance—that people are actually paying 4 to 5 times as much as before—republicans should have no difficulty whatsoever winning the 2016 election.

I’m guessing it’s b.s. for the simple reason that no one I know has told me that this has happened. The only place it seems to be happening is in the conservative media.

You are a liar. I told you about the loss of health insurance by ATT retirees right here on this website. You blew it off when you had no rebuttal to actual happenings. The best you can do is blather left wing platitudes acting like you really have a genuine thought in your head.

So for your benefit, here it is again:

In January, 2015, due to the ACA, every ATT retiree that reached 65 lost COMPLETELY, their supplemental health insurance that paid what Medicare does not pay. They also lost their vision care, prescription care as well as dental care insurance policies. A benefit that had been negotiated through collective bargaining over a course of 40 years. (We know how you left wingers are big on collective bargaining.)

Now those retirees have to purchase supplemental insurance. The costs are approximately (depending on age) $150.00 a month for supplemental health insurance, $30 a month for prescription drug coverage, $40 a month for dental care insurance and $25 a month for vision care insurance. The older the retiree, the higher the premiums are.

On top of that, every current ATT employee now pays for their health, Rx, vision and dental insurance. But I’m sure they think it’s a bargain since 50 year old men now have maternity coverage and women now have coverage against prostrate cancer.

So although all of those benefits were gained through collective bargaining, which you on the left strongly support, the Democrats said not one word when the employees, and retirees, of companies lost their health insurance or saw huge increases in premiums that had once cost them nothing. Insurance coverage was a trade off for lower wages that employees negotiated. So much for collective bargaining being a benefit when the Democrats can just wipe it out.

3M retirees also lost their health insurance. What was once given to them at no cost, now costs them $800.00 a month with a $12,000 deductible. So they have to spend at $21,600 in medical expenses before one damn dime is reimbursed to them.

But look at the bright side; useless young adults, now considered children until age 25, can mooch off their parent’s health insurance. Obama wanted to make sure that all those young adults that can’t find jobs of their own due to his pathetic fiscal policies could have health insurance through their parents who are hopefully still employed.

So you are just a blatant liar. I told you of the ramifications of the ACA before and either you suffer from memory loss or decided not to acknowledge it because it doesn’t meet with your talking points.

Is anyone left who hasn’t fired off a personal insult?

When a useful idiot continues to be a useful idiot, in spite of being shown the error in their thinking, not much else is left to do.

@Rich Wheeler: I have had good debates here with those who veer left like you, Larry, and even Tom and have even found some common ground. In person, we would probably get along quite well. In person I’d listen to Greg’s whiny, get in your face, know-it-all nonsense for all of a few minutes and our encounter would end very abruptly. In particular, his put downs of various Vets’ service who don’t agree with him would draw a very aggressive response. I’ve told liberal friends about some of the things he has written about on FA and even they shake their heads in disbelief.

@rich wheeler:

As fire breathing 05 points out—people like Word are berated when they have civil discourse and reach some agreement with me.

Fire breathing? That’s what you call dissent when someone doesn’t agree with you and points out that you are a far left winger who supports sodomy and the killing of babies? Oh, I know, you claim you are against abortion, but when pinned down about supporting the Right To Life movement, you are persona non gratis. How typical of you, a left winger, to use “fire breathing” (not meant to be a compliment) because I take no crap from you.

I absolutely love honest debate. But that horse left the gate a long time ago when it comes to you progressives. Division, derision and pejoratives are all the left has. So…………..it’s time to give the left a dose of their own medicine.

You want honest rational debate from me? Start answering the questions posed to you and answer them honestly. So far, you have failed on that standard.

@Greg:

It’s easy to call someone a liar when you don’t want to deal with the truth.

You wouldn’t know the truth if it was tattooed on your forearm. You are nothing more than a mouthpiece for OFA.

Now, did you retire from ATT? If not, then shut your stupid mouth. Yes, there is a HSA that totals $4,200 per couple. How does that $4,200 off set the $6-700.00 a month ($7,200-$8,400.00 a year) that couple now has to pay for supplemental insurance when before 1/1/2015 that supplemental insurance cost them nothing? They are still upwards of $4,200.00 a year in the hole.

You’re so damn stupid, Greggie Goebbels. You think you are so much smarter than the rest of the tacks. You’re not. Just another useful idiot for the radical left. But you do serve one purpose; you allow others to see just how bad left wingers really are.

I guess you think providing 65 year old women with prostrate cancer coverage and 65 year old men with maternity coverage is a smart thing.

@Greg:

I’m not denying or diminishing the damage that was done to you. What I’m saying is that the damage wasn’t done by or because of the Affordable Care Act. That’s the claim that you’re making.

Of course it was. Prior to the Marxists that passed the AACA, I had health insurance that was designed for me, not some one-size fits all crap.

People are making a lot of highly misleading claims about the Affordable Care Act.

:Like what? Like the fact that Obama, if he has a clue, knew that people would not be able to keep their insurance, or their doctors? Or that families would see a reduction in premiums, which was another lie put out by the left? Be specific.

Yes, I do, because it’s a consequence of spreading insurance risks in general over the largest possible insured population to bring average costs down.

Why should I be forced into higher premiums so that some useless 25 year old can live in his parents basement and leech off their health insurance? If he wants health insurance, let him find a job (I know, good luck with that while Obama’s still in office) and buy his own. And why should families get better rates off the backs of seniors who have already raised their kids.

I drive a F-350 diesel. I think anyone who drives a Prius should be required to pay higher premiums and I should pay lower premiums. Just because their vehicle is worth half what mine is, why should I be punished? That’s your Marxist way, isn’t it?