Pro Life Groups Marching in the St. Patrick’s Day parade is the Wrong Approach (Guest Post)

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There have been a few write ups about some pro-life group possibly being allowed to march in New York’s St. Patrick’s Day parade, and since as of this writing (on March 16th) there have been no news blurbs as to who this group will be it appears to not be happening:

A New York-based pro-life adoption group that was denied permission to march in this year’s New York City St. Patrick’s Day parade claims that another group opposing abortion rights will take part – but the identity of the group is unknown.

Dr. Elizabeth Rex, a teacher of bioethics at Holy Apostles Catholic seminary in Connecticut and president of the Children First Foundation in New York, told the Irish Voice that her organization applied to march in the parade after it was revealed last September that a gay group will take part for the first time, with the blessing of this year’s parade grand marshal, Cardinal Timothy Dolan.

Rex said her group was denied a place in the line of march and received the decision only after sending a lawyer’s letter to the parade committee.

“I find it very disturbing that a door had opened for a gay group and been slammed in the face of a right-to-life group,” Rex told the Irish Voice.

I’m against this approach, as I think that it’s an overall mistake to continue to fight a defensive war against the Social justice Warriors. Thankfully we’re seeing pushback against the insanity that has ministers being threatened with jail time for not performing gay marriages or cities issuing subpoenas demanding that pastors be forced to turn over their sermons to city officials.

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As I wrote two years ago about firing back at left wing fascists on college campuses, we should be taking the fight to their ground. Instead of petitioning to march in the St. Patrick’s Day parade, pro-life groups should be looking to show their community spirit by marching in the next local gay pride parade! For good measure, we could also organize local Tea Party groups, campus Christian groups, and maybe find a way to have Chick-Fil-A sponsor one of the groups as well. I have a feeling that if this were to happen the vaunted tolerance and respect for others’ values that the lefts loves to self congratulate themselves for would probably look very different when the roles are reversed. Or who knows – maybe this could become a teachable moment for the hateful bigots of the radical left?

As The Federalist’s David Harsanyi summed up so well,

These days, we should be more troubled by the persistent need to coerce and demean those who hold religious objections to gay unions into compliance. And if I were, say, a practicing Catholic, I could never accept that the sacrament of marriage could be redefined by judges, democracy, or anyone other than the Big Guy. This is neither homophobic nor does it undermine your happiness.

Cross posted from Brother Bob’s Blog

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29 Responses to “Pro Life Groups Marching in the St. Patrick’s Day parade is the Wrong Approach (Guest Post)”

  1. 1

    Bill

    While I am all for “raining on their parade” by forcing equal representation, we know from experience that shaming them does no work, for it to work, it would have to be reported. For instance, the Tea Parties are accused by the left of being racist, violent extremists, though there is not one single incident of Tea Party racism or violence (recall the accusations made by those idiots marching to the Capitol with Obamacare that could not be verified even with a $10,000 reward). Meanwhile, SEIU thugs beat a black man trying to sell souvenir trinkets at a Tea Party rally, but union thuggery against a black man and a Tea Party rally went largely unreported.

    The media needs to be purged and uncorrupted first.

  2. 4

    Bill

    I think it’s a fine idea. I just believe that as long as the media picks their princes, the deck is stacked, the truth suppressed and the message muted. But we should certainly play by the rules they themselves have established.

  3. 5

    Brother Bob

    author

    @John: Tolerance.

    @Bill: We in the blogosphere and to some degree conservative media have done it, but we really need to start treating the media like the mouth pieces they are for the Democratic party and treating them as such. Which won’t be happening any time soon.

  4. 6

    retire05

    Instead of petitioning to march in the St. Patrick’s Day parade, pro-life groups should be looking to show their community spirit by marching in the next local gay pride parade!

    The gays rant and rave until they are allowed to march in a parade that is designed to honor a Saint. And then they come in their absurd costumes (I’m being kind here) with their rainbow flags flying every where.

    Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, decided to turn the tables on GLAD over the New York gay pride parade. He applied to march in the parade, and was accepted. But when GLAD found out that Donohue, and other Catholics, were going to march under a banner that said “Straight is Great”, GLAD quickly found a reason to boot him. Point made.

    You see, the debate is one sided. If you hold to religious beliefs, or even natural order beliefs, you are called names like “homophobe” for no other reason that to shut you down.

    Now two gay designers have come out against same-sex marriage and gay couple adoptions as well as gay couples buying test tube babies. They are being lamblasted by the left. But wait! I thought basing gays was “homophobic” but what do you call it when gays are being based by other gays?

  5. 7

    Brother Bob

    author

    @retire05: “Inclusiveness” among the left stops when you start saying things they don’t want to hear. We need to do more to make them squirm, particularly putting a spotlight on when they eat their own

  6. 8

    Nanny G

    Can Saint Patrick’s life and legacy in any way be twisted so as to be tied in with a pro-life group? There are many good arguments that it can.
    Can Saint Patrick’s life and legacy in any way be twisted so as to be tied in with a homosexual agenda? There are no arguments that it can.
    So, the inclusiveness of the Saint Patrick’s parade organizers are sliding away from the Saint, himself and into something else altogether.
    As such, who really cares who is included and who is not?
    Only Irish Catholics should have a dog in this hunt.

  7. 9

    retire05

    @Nanny G:

    Only Irish Catholics should have a dog in this hunt.

    When you think of the Irish, and their culture, what first comes to mind? Their Catholic faith. But we can’t have that, now can we? So the gays demand to tout their opposition to the Catholic faith by marching in a parade that was dedicated to the patron saint of Ireland, a move clearly to thumb their nose at the religious beliefs of Catholics. And no one has the courage to say “No, this parade is dedicated to St. Patrick and our Catholic faith.”

    But when a leader of the American Catholics wants to do the same in a gay pride parade, he’s rebuked by the gays when he wants to proclaim “Straight is Great.”

    The hypocrisy of the gay movement is that is NOT about inclusion, or even tolerance, it’s all about the “I’m queer and I’m here” demand for acceptance. Total acceptance, no exceptions. And while they’re at it, they will demand that everyone else stays out of their bedrooms while they tout what they do in their bedrooms. They demand privacy while they go public.

  8. 10

    Nanny G

    @retire05: And no one has the courage to say “No, this parade is dedicated to St. Patrick and our Catholic faith.”

    Actually, a few years back, when homosexuals first wanted to march in this parade that is exactly what the Catholics who set up the parade said.
    It wasn’t until mayors warned that they would not march unless homosexuals could that the slip and slide away from Saint Patrick took place.

    Since the parade is so close to the Spring Equinox (and it has all sorts of sexual imagery associated with its background) perhaps the parade needs to be re-branded. Homosexuals would be welcomed as would be right-to-life marchers.

  9. 11

    retire05

    @Nanny G:

    No, Nan, the old brand was just fine. What needs to be done is these gay groups need to be told that as long as they are in direct conflict with the purpose of the event, they will be excluded. It is time for the religious to take a stand and demand that they have just as much right to their beliefs as the gay groups do. No more caving.

    That crap will end when the KKK demands to be in a parade in New Orleans that is strictly black Americans or when religious organizations demand to be allowed to parade with a “Straight is Great” sign at the Folsom Street Parade in San Francisco. Or when a Jewish man orders a cake with the Star of David on it from a Muslim baker.

  10. 12

    George Wells

    @Nanny G #8:
    “So, the inclusiveness of the Saint Patrick’s parade organizers are sliding away from the Saint, himself and into something else altogether.
    As such, who really cares who is included and who is not?
    Only Irish Catholics should have a dog in this hunt.”

    That is indeed occurring, although it cannot really be blamed on gay activists wanting to play in the game. Christmas celebrates Jesus’ birth, but it also celebrates Santa Claus and the triumph of American capitalism over a holiday that would not otherwise consume 10% of the calendar year without those non-religious “something-elses.” Easter is another example of a religious observance that has been co-opted by commercial interests that recognize that chocolate Easter Bunnies appeal more to the masses than the death and resurrection of Jesus.

    And aren’t those Irish Catholics who “have a dog in this race” about to vote IN FAVOR of gay marriage in Ireland? You might be concerning yourself with the political interests of a significantly smaller fraction of the population than you think.

    BTW, I agree with Retire05 that a group carrying a banner that says “Straight is Great!” should be allowed to march in a gay pride parade. The fact that there are gay people who are proud of who they are is not diminished by the fact that people who are NOT gay are also proud of who THEY are. Just because you are straight doesn’t mean that there is something wrong with you. I understand that some gays are trying to make the point that this is how THEY have been treated for so many years, and “turn-around is fair play,” but it would be more Christian to turn the other cheek and take a higher road than those who would silence the “Straight-is-Great” message.

  11. 13

    Bill

    @George Wells:

    And aren’t those Irish Catholics who “have a dog in this race” about to vote IN FAVOR of gay marriage in Ireland?

    Uh, no, because THOSE Irish Catholics are in Ireland.

    At issue here is how every public function is deemed bigoted if it will not include gays to openly march and celebrate but if a person or group that is, not ANTI-gay, but NOT gay wants to celebrate THEIR life style, they are excluded. Apparently, this is NOT bigoted. The issue is the left wing tendency to always try to control the message through suppression of optional views.

  12. 14

    George Wells

    @Bill #13:
    “Uh, no, because THOSE Irish Catholics are in Ireland.”

    OK, Bill, I’ll bite.
    If the Irish Catholics IN IRELAND accept gay marriage, AND if a MAJORITY of Catholics in AMERICA support gay marriage (they do – check the polls) then exactly which thin sliver of Americans is it that you ARE siding with on this issue? You are defending a handful of clergy that DON’T represent the opinions of their flock, an endeavor that seems somewhat disingenuous given the “right’s” perpetual insistence that it is the will of the people that counts above all else in this struggle.

    I suggest that the festivities are intended for the enjoyment of the masses, not for the expression of moral outrage by a small fraction of men who are angry that their discretionary power over their fellow men is being wrestled from them by a public that no longer has patience with their archaic brand of morality.

    “At issue here is how every public function is deemed bigoted if it will not include gays to openly march and celebrate but if a person or group that is, not ANTI-gay, but NOT gay wants to celebrate THEIR life style, they are excluded. Apparently, this is NOT bigoted. The issue is the left wing tendency to always try to control the message through suppression of optional views.”

    This is NOT an issue you have with me.
    Read the last paragraph in my #12.

    The bigotry door swings both ways. Gays WERE excluded from the St. P. D. Parade UNTIL THIS YEAR. Wasn’t THAT exclusion an example of “the right wing tendency to always try to control the message through suppression of optional views”?
    I don’t remember you complaining about the exclusion of gays, but rather you’ve been defending it, right?
    If a hundred years of excluding gays from St. P. D. Parades was OK, then why wouldn’t a hundred years of excluding straights from participation in gay pride parades not also be OK?
    Oh, I get that two wrongs don’t ever make a right. But neither can you have it both ways. Which way do you want it?

    I’ve already granted you the Christian Grace that I think you deserve.
    Truly, what more do you want?

  13. 15

    Bill

    @George Wells:

    If the Irish Catholics IN IRELAND accept gay marriage, AND if a MAJORITY of Catholics in AMERICA support gay marriage (they do – check the polls) then exactly which thin sliver of Americans is it that you ARE siding with on this issue? You are defending a handful of clergy that DON’T represent the opinions of their flock, an endeavor that seems somewhat disingenuous given the “right’s” perpetual insistence that it is the will of the people that counts above all else in this struggle.

    I’m not defending anyone other than those who expect to be treated with the right to voice their point of view suppressed because the left cannot tolerate an opposing view. My point was that what Irish Catholics like, no matter how much YOU like it, does not necessarily represent what American Catholics do.

    Funny that with all that wide-spread support for gay “marriage”, whenever there is a referendum on the matter, it fails. It always comes down to a judge deciding what everyone wants, which goes back to the suppression of anyone who publicly wants to express their objection.

  14. 16

    retire05

    @George Wells:

    When you go to a Cinco de Mayo celebration/parade/festival, why do you go? Is it to enjoy Mexican food, music, dance, the costumes worn by those that put the festival on? All parts of the Mexican culture celebrated by those of Mexican heritage.

    The bigotry door swings both ways. Gays WERE excluded from the St. P. D. Parade UNTIL THIS YEAR. Wasn’t THAT exclusion an example of “the right wing tendency to always try to control the message through suppression of optional views”?

    Why shouldn’t they be when their message is not about the Irish culture, but about their sexuality which is an entirely different message? And how does the “right wing” control those events when a majority of those participating are New York Democrats?

    That is not to say there are no Mexican or Irish queers. There are. But the purpose of the celebration is NOT their live style as queers, the purpose is to celebrate a national culture.

    Every year the greatest example of perversion, voyeurism and exhibitionism is celebrated in San Francisco. People do things in front of children (morons who take their children to the event) that would require a ticket holder to be 18 if being viewed on the large screen. If you don’t agree with the purpose of that event, you are not allowed to participate in any way. It is totally controlled by the gay community of San Francisco.

    So why should any national heritage event be any different?

    Gays need to decide. Do they want to continue demanding that they have privacy in their bedrooms or do they want to make public what they do in their bedrooms? It is pretty hypocritical to demand both.

  15. 17

    George Wells

    @Bill #15:

    “whenever there is a referendum on the matter, it fails. It always comes down to a judge deciding what everyone wants, which goes back to the suppression of anyone who publicly wants to express their objection.”

    Your “facts” are dated and are no longer accurate. The last three voter referendums on gay marriage DID NOT FAIL. They passed in Maine (Dec. 29, 2012), Maryland (Jan. 1, 2013) and Washington (Dec. 9, 2012). It does not ALWAYS fall to the judicial branch (nor legislatures, of which 8 have enacted gay marriage on their own) to do what is right.

    The prolonged losing streak that gay marriage advocates suffered in various Republican-initiated referenda came at a time when support for gay marriage was much lower than it is today. Those gay advocates never accepted that their civil rights should depend upon the whim of the voting public, and for this reason they do not now clamor for more referendums many of which they would likely win. Those gay advocates appreciate that it falls to the courts to interpret their constitutional rights, not the mob.

    I would also remind you of the many years that the “Log Cabin Republicans” were NOT allowed to speak – or even set up a booth – at the Republican National Convention. Isn’t that also “the suppression of anyone who publicly wants to express their objection” ?

    Obviously, both sides of this issue are terribly afraid of the power of ideas, and there are those on both sides who wish to silence those who disagree with them. It isn’t right, either way, but unless you have been complaining about gays being EXCLUDED from parades or conventions just as much as you have been complaining about the “gay gestapo’s” PC “campaign-of-terror,” you’re just being a hypocrite.

  16. 18

    George Wells

    @Retire05 #16:

    I think that you summed it up well enough.
    IF (and it is a fairly large “if”) the celebration is one of the Irish national culture (your words, not mine) and IF gays are a part of that culture (you seem to agree that they are) then why would anyone want to exclude them? If you know anything about the St. Patrick’s Day parades in Ireland, you know that they have more than their share of drag queens marching (and “floating”) along with the rest, and it isn’t the problem IN THE IRISH CULTURE that is has been here. The fantasy that a minority of Irish Catholics HERE hold of what Ireland is all about is obviously not shared IN IRELAND, and I can’t see what benefit is served by adherence to that fantasy HERE.

    Your attempt to conflate a San Francisco celebration of debauchery with gay people everywhere else is no more valid than would be a corresponding indictment of all heterosexuals because of pagan heterosexual celebrations. Interesting history of St. Valentine’s Day/Lupercalia, isn’t it? But then again, that really isn’t the point at all, any more than every other effort you have launched to denigrate gay people – as if straights are all angels. The civil rights of a law-abiding citizen depend upon the behavior of that citizen and the like rights granted to every other law abiding citizen by the Constitution. Third-party mischief is irrelevant, regardless of sexual orientation.

  17. 19

    retire05

    @George Wells:

    I think that you summed it up well enough.
    IF (and it is a fairly large “if”) the celebration is one of the Irish national culture (your words, not mine) and IF gays are a part of that culture (you seem to agree that they are) then why would anyone want to exclude them?

    I don’t, not as long as queers stick to the theme of the parade, which is Irish heritage. The rainbow flag of queer America has no place in a cultural parade. That flag is a statement, and shows that the main issue for those carrying it is homosexuality, not Irish culture.

    If you know anything about the St. Patrick’s Day parades in Ireland, you know that they have more than their share of drag queens marching (and “floating”) along with the rest, and it isn’t the problem IN THE IRISH CULTURE that is has been here.

    So what? The modern Irish government has, more than once, turned its back on its own culture. Europe, as a whole, is eaten up with political correctness but that political correctness is the cause of much of the troubles we see in European nations such as France, Holland, Denmark, Greece, et al.

    Your attempt to conflate a San Francisco celebration of debauchery with gay people everywhere else is no more valid than would be a corresponding indictment of all heterosexuals because of pagan heterosexual celebrations. Interesting history of St. Valentine’s Day/Lupercalia, isn’t it?

    I see you have not given up your nasty habit of trying to put words in my mouth that are not there. That really is a dishonest habit, George. The Folsom Street Parade and exhibition of debauchery is but one such events in our nation. I simply referred to it because it is the most prominent.

    But then again, that really isn’t the point at all, any more than every other effort you have launched to denigrate gay people – as if straights are all angels.

    I never EVER said that all heterosexuals are angels. More words that were not there. But at least I will condemn those heterosexuals who act in unacceptable ways, more than you are willing to do when it comes to queers.

  18. 20

    George Wells

    @Retire05 #19:

    “But at least I will condemn those heterosexuals who act in unacceptable ways, more than you are willing to do when it comes to queers.”

    Oh, BS!
    I’ve condemned gays’ illegal behaviors (yes, the same ones that YOU are referring to in VARIOUS parades) many times before – right here – and I’ll do it again. Look at Mardi Gras… perfect example. There are gays exposing themselves and having sex in the streets down there, and videos to prove it. So are straights, for that matter – same thing. There are laws-a-plenty forbidding such debauchery, and I support those laws, and condemn the breaking of those laws, REGARDLESS OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

    So what’s your point? Are you angry that occasionally, law enforcement simply gives up (or is overwhelmed) and temporarily doesn’t bother to enforce laws prohibiting such non-violent crimes? If that’s what’s getting your panties in a bind, that’s YOUR problem.

    “The Folsom Street Parade and exhibition of debauchery is but one such events in our nation.”

    Take that as many times as you like, but you still haven’t explained how that should diminish the rights of law-abiding citizens. Your implied characterization of many millions of American gay people as nothing more than an unruly rabble of exhibitionists is absurd. You DIDN’T imply that? Then why else did you bring it up?

    You don’t want to see a rainbow flag because it sends the message that “gay is great” but you object when a gay pride parade forbids a “straight-is-great” Banner? You don’t see a blinding double standard there?

    “I don’t (object), not as long as queers stick to the theme of the parade, which is Irish heritage.”

    Which “Irish Heritage” again? Not the PRESENT-DAY Irish, right?… I got that now. So it’s the CHRISTIAN heritage that you think the parade should be limited to? The Catholic, just, or also the protestant? Since St. Patrick was Catholic, should protestants be excluded from marching in the parade? What if they want to carry a protestant banner? And if the silly parade is really just about St. P., then why is its control in the hands of “The South Boston Allied War Veterans Council” and why does this group allow Miss Massachusetts perched on the back of a convertible, members of the Los Angeles Fire Department, leashed dogs outfitted in green vests and men wearing Scottish kilts to “march,” but not gays? What do ANY of these marchers have to do with St. Patrick?
    NOTHING!

    Every marching group is blowing its OWN horn TODAY, not reliving some long-lost moment in Ireland’s primitive past. As long as they don’t break the law, there is no harm in any of it. It’s just good, clean fun.

  19. 21

    Bill

    It’s unfortunate that the comments of “Really?” were removed because I wanted to know why simply expecting everyone to have the opportunity to voice their views and opinions is “bigoted”. We conservatives don’t like the views and opinions of many liberals, but it is nothing but right to have them express their views. We then argue them.

    However, it does not appear to be the policy of the left to allow for equal time; they feel it is better to suppress and view that might make theirs look less attractive.

    Why is making that observation “bigoted”?

  20. 22

    retire05

    @George Wells:

    blockquote>Which “Irish Heritage” again? Not the PRESENT-DAY Irish, right?…

    Don’t conflate the government of modern day Ireland with its government. Not one and the same.

    I got that now. So it’s the CHRISTIAN heritage that you think the parade should be limited to?

    Did I say that or are you hearing voices again?

    and men wearing Scottish kilts to “march,”

    I understand you’re not the sharpest tack in the box, but the Irish also wear kilts. If you were half as smart as you think you are (and you’re not) you could tell the difference by the material the kilt is made from.

    Take that as many times as you like, but you still haven’t explained how that should diminish the rights of law-abiding citizens.

    I seemed to have missed the part of the U.S. Constitution that gives anyone the right to march in a parade.

  21. 23

    George Wells

    @Retire05 #22:

    “So it’s the CHRISTIAN heritage that you think the parade should be limited to?”
    “Did I say that or are you hearing voices again?”

    In Spanish, presumably YOUR first language, a question is preceded by an up-side-down question mark and followed by an up-right question mark, making it easy for the reader to understand that a question is being asked as soon as he (or she) begins to read it. In ENGLISH, evidently NOT your first language, no such advantage is afforded the reader, and YOU must take note of the question mark AT THE END of the sentence. See the question mark? It means that I was asking a QUESTION, not suggesting something that you said.
    The answer to BOTH of your questions is “NO.”

    Irish kilts? That’s it? That’s really your entire rebuttal?

    You know full well that St. Patrick’s Day parades are no different from any other parades, not here and not anywhere else. They all are full of people who enjoy marching in parades but who otherwise have nothing to do with the original subject of the event being “celebrated.” What, again, does Santa Clause have to do with Jesus’s birth, or the Easter Bunny with his death and resurrection? Less than gay people have to do with Ireland, that’s for sure.

    But you’re not really arguing issues, are you?
    We both AGREE that people who participate in parades should do so lawfully, and we both condemn those who don’t.
    We both AGREE that there is no legitimate reason to exclude “straight-is-great” banners from a gay pride parade.
    And you haven’t given any reason why St. Patrick’s Day parades IN AMERICA should be any different from parades anywhere else in the free world – inclusive of anyone wishing to celebrate their own particular take on the occasion in question.

    You just like to fuss with me, because I give you the courtesy of a response. What I find amusing is that you seem to put more thought into your insults than your logic, and that leaves so many of your posts empty of substance. But your lack of an effective rebuttal is evidence enough that I’m right, and I thank you for your back-handed acknowledgement to that effect.

  22. 24

    George Wells

    @Bill #21:

    “However, it does not appear to be the policy of the left to allow for equal time; they feel it is better to suppress and view that might make theirs look less attractive.”

    Wouldn’t the removal of “REALLY’s” comments have been at the Webmaster’s discretion, and not a policy of the “left”? Retire05 keeps saying that I should not even be here, since this is a “conservative blog site,” and the subject articles seem to confirm that bias.
    I think that several of REALLY’s comments were profane, and that would qualify them for appropriate removal.

    Doesn’t it fascinate you, though, that the power of ideas is so terrifying to BOTH sides? We brainwash our children by making them recite pledges and prayers at an impressionable age – and WAY before they have the capacity to intellectually question these “lessons” or to make up their own minds. Legislatures tell doctors what they cannot tell their patients, and they tell teachers what they cannot tell their students. Even scientists are told by their managers what they cannot publish in their research reports. It’s no small wonder that there is a shortage of truth in the world, and it’s getting worse. But I wouldn’t worry too much about REALLY’s messages. From what I saw, there wasn’t anything of value in them, and certainly no truth.

  23. 25

    retire05

    @George Wells:

    Let me just clarify one thing:

    I said: Don’t conflate the government of modern day Ireland with its government. Not one and the same.

    I meant to say: Don’t conflate the government of modern day Ireland with its heritage. Not one and the same.

    Your snarky little remark about my first language being Spanish is so absurd it does not warrant a response. But your snarky comment about “reliving some long-lost moment in Ireland’s primitive past” does. I realize you are an absolute dufus when it comes to history, but Ireland has a rich history and has produced a people that have contributed much to the world. So much so that a half black half Kenyan tries to claim connections to the old sod. Not that he, nor you, could ever reach such a lofty distinction, but I’m sure you’ll come back claiming some Irish bonafides.

    What, again, does Santa Clause have to do with Jesus’s birth,

    I do not feel like giving you a history lesson because you are too damn lazy to do your own research.

    or the Easter Bunny with his death and resurrection? Less than gay people have to do with Ireland, that’s for sure.

    What do gay people have to do with the history of Ireland? Or are you under the misguided assumption that the Irish rebellion was led by the queers?

    .

    But your lack of an effective rebuttal is evidence enough that I’m right, and I thank you for your back-handed acknowledgement to that effect.

    Are you now appointing yourself the arbiter of whether my rebuttal to you is effective or not? Who appointed you to that position? You, who knows little about history, who is only concerned with one issue which is your “I’m here and I’m queer and I’m going to rub it in your face.”

    Once again, George, you have proven to be nothing more than a waste of time.

  24. 26

    George Wells

    @Retire05 #25:
    “Ireland has a rich history.”

    Again we agree. And again I remind you that part of that rich history included homosexuals who were persecuted. Are you suggesting that only the “happy times” deserve celebrating? Would it not be equally meaningful to remind people that no “heritage” is absent the commission of ugly crimes against its own citizens?

    Gay people who have gained their equal rights by virtue of their own courageous efforts have every bit as much a right to march proudly in proclamation of their victory over past oppression as has a fire department from Los Angeles. It is nothing but animus that would deny the former while accepting the latter, and you know it.

    “What do gay people have to do with the history of Ireland?”
    I thought that YOU answered that. Ireland has gays like everywhere else, and they’ve always been there. Gays are a part of history just as much as they are a part of the present. If you want Irish heritage, you get Irish heritage. You don’t get to cherry pick the part if it you like to be reminded of and exclude the rest. That’s nothing but bigotry. Suppress what you don’t like, but complain when gays turn the table on you and exclude a “straight-is-great” banner. Hypocrite.

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    Nanny G

    @George Wells: I remind you that part of that rich history included homosexuals who were persecuted.

    As well as now, in the present.
    Norwegian-Syrian lesbian Sara Azmeh Rasmussen travels to Ireland and protests outside the Clonskeagh mosque, June-July 2011, because it is the headquarters of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, which supports the death penalty for homosexuality.
    General Secretary of Fatwa Council, Sheikh Hussein Halawa, agreed to meet Rasmussen on Tuesday, and told her that she was suffering from a disease”.
    “In the meeting with General Secretary of Fatwa Council on Tuesday, Rasmussen was told that she was suffering from a disease. … For those who have a disease, I will not ask for the death penalty, said Sheikh Hussein Halawa to Rasmussen. The Secretary-General, who stressed that he only gave his own view on the matter, explained that the question of the death penalty for gays was difficult. He believes that homosexuality should be divided into three categories: those who are born so, those who have chosen it, and those who try to convert others to be gays. [He said that] for those who want to push others to be gays, Sharia [requires] the death penalty.”

    The Clonskeagh mosque in Dublin as built and funded by the ruling family of Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
    The Clonskeagh mosque is linked by almost all writers to the Muslim Brotherhood.
    They throw gays off roofs, if you recall from Egypt not too long ago.
    All of the al Qaeda members in Ireland are associated with that mosque.
    But hate crimes are under-reported from Ireland……just like rapes of British girl-children were in UK in general.
    A MILLION girls were gang raped by Muslims and forced into sex slavery before police stopped with the PC crap and went after them.
    A sign of a moribund culture.
    The Irish lucky enough to be in the USA will be the future of the Irish.
    The British Isles are turning into something else, and PC denial is enabling it.

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    George Wells

    @Nanny G #27:

    Interesting information you present, Nanny. Europe is definitely having trouble with the “refugees” that it accepted with the mistaken impression that they would “assimilate” into “Western” culture, only to find them attempting to convert Europe to Sharia Law. At the moment this problem seems to represent what is still a small minority, as polls in Ireland show a strong majority in favor of gay marriage – something not high on the Muslim agenda. All the same, Europe had better stem the tide while it is still marginally manageable, as it will not forever be so.

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    Ditto

    Molotov Cocktail Thrown at Pro-Life Activists Outside Austin Planned Parenthood

    According to a report by LifeNews.com, volunteers with the pro-life groups Central Texas Coalition for Life and 40 Days for Life were praying outside the abortion facility in South Austin when the woman drove up and threw the Molotov cocktail at them. Fortunately, one of the volunteers quickly stomped out the flames and no one was injured. The volunteers wrote down the woman’s license plate and reported it to the police.

    (Snip)

    Breitbart Texas contacted the Austin Police Department, and their public information officer confirmed that they did receive a call and a woman was arrested at an Austin Planned Parenthood. They were unable to release any specifics about what she threw; their report “just said that something was on fire in the call.”

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