Quote of the Day

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Open-Carry-SA

“Moms Demand Action continues to give a very emotional response to open carry. Hillary Rand’s basic argument is, ‘My kids shouldn’t have to look at a gun,’ which is based only on emotion. I don’t want to look at Hillary Rand, but I’m not going to force her out of the public eye.”
CJ, battling over open-carry in Texas
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Alice Tripp of the Texas State Rifle Association was the first person to testify at a hearing about open-carry in Austin on April 7. She said that Texas is one of only five states that outright bans the open carry of handguns.

“It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense,” Tripp told Breitbart Texas. “45 other states are either silent in their law or completely allow open-carry… Texas would like to have a contemporary law that allows people, with a state-issued license, to have the option of not keep their handgun concealed… There are currently about 760,000 people in Texas with concealed handgun licenses. We’ve tracked the data and found that these individuals are actually 15 times less likely to commit a crime than Texans of the same age. You don’t get a license to become a criminal.”

She also mentioned that allowing citizens to open-carry with the appropriate permit would not necessarily cause an influx of gun owners.

“I don’t expect there to be a significant increase of open-carry folks. It’s not like all of a sudden everyone has a holster that matches their shoes,” Tripp said.

C.J. Grisham, President of Open Carry Texas, has also expressed strong support for open-carry policies since the incident at Fort Hood.

Grisham told Breitbart Texas, “If open-carry is such a problem, why are we one of only five states that don’t allow it? Open-carry is so important to state security and is not responsible for open crime. It is actually responsible for a decrease in crime. When a criminal sees a gun, it deters them from committing a crime.”

Indeed, a study by Gary Kleck found that 92 percent of criminals are deterred from committing a crime when they see a firearm – even if the firearm is not used.

Grisham told Breitbart Texas that he submitted a recommended bill to the state legislature in April that, if passed, would allow for unlicensed open-carry and concealed carry. The bill would also remove exemptions that allow state officials to carry a firearm in areas where normal citizens are prohibited from carrying.

“If a lawmaker can carry into a certain building, I should be able to carry in that building too. My bill removes those barriers that creates a special class of government officials,” Grisham said.

38 Responses to “Quote of the Day”

  1. 1

    Skookum

    I wish CJ and his movement the best of luck.

    California is hopefully changing its policies, but there has been a back door method to carry if you have connections within your county. You become an auxiliary sheriff and you can carry a concealed side arm. The two men who made me aware of the scam are both wealthy and have never participated in police duties, but they carry legally. Its not something that pops up in conversation for me, but it makes me wonder how many of these “special” people I actually know.

  2. 2

    terryfizz

    The second amendment guarantees citizens the right to bear arms. Logic infers “bear” means ” own and possess”. That infers you have the right to possess a handgun (or rifle or shotgun etc.). If you have to have a permit to carry a handgun concealed, then your “right” guaranteed by the second amendment by default MUST allow you to carry “open”. You have the right to carry, there are only two ways to carry (open or concealed), if you restrict one means, the other must be the guaranteed means.
    Seems relatively simple to me.

  3. 3

    David

    While open carry is legal in Colorado, several of the police agencies are unaware that it is allowed. When they arrest someone for open carry and the case moves to the courts, the case is promptly dismissed by the judge. Concealed carry requires a mandatory NRA-certified firearms safety or hunter course be taken.

  4. 5

    Greg

    The problem with ever increasing numbers of citizens carrying firearms is that there’s been absolutely no indication of ever increasing levels of good judgement among the general population. If follows that there are likely many people carrying firearms now who really shouldn’t be. (Those who lack good judgement frequently lack the level of good judgement that’s required to realize their deficiency.)

    The Andy Raymond incident raises a lot of questions about the NRA, and about the honesty and responsibility of their agenda. Here’s a licensed firearms dealer—a strong proponent of 2nd Amendment rights—who has been receiving death threats because he wanted to make a “smart gun” available to prospective customers who would like to own one. (A smart gun is a weapon that will fire only in the hand of a user who is wearing an electronic device that automatically unlocks its safety mechanism. In the hand of anyone else, it’s totally inoperable.) The NRA came down on him like a load of bricks.

  5. 6

    This one

    Allowing firearms in bars in Georgia is reeeal smart. Then again, maybe the right wing wife beating shirt types can kill themselves off.

  6. 7

    FAITH7

    @Greg#5

    “…..raises a lot of questions about the NRA, and about the honesty and responsibility of their agenda.”

    Aside from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights – exactly what is the NRA’s “Agenda”?

    Just curious…

  7. 8

    Greg

    @FAITH7, #6:

    I’m not sure, but there’s clearly some reason that they don’t want American consumers to have the option of purchasing “smart guns.” Not only have they pressured state and federal legislatures and individuals such as Mr. Raymond; they’ve also pressured fire arms manufacturers to discontinue research and development.

    I’ve read that they think smart gun technology is a threat to 2nd Amendment rights—although it’s not entirely clear to me how depriving consumers who would prefer to own such a firearm of the right to do so furthers anyone’s freedom.

  8. 10

    UpChuck.Liberals

    @Greg: Do you practice at being a pain or is it natural? Statistic after statistic, compiled by the FBI the CDC and even the Calif DOJ show, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that MORE Firearms in the hands of good citizens have REDUCED crime. I like my firearms dumb, pull trigger go boom when I need it to. It’s all about SELF-CONTROL, not ‘gun control’ sadly we don’t teach kids that thanks to the leftists drones.

  9. 12

    Tom

    @UpChuck.Liberals:

    Statistic after statistic, compiled by the FBI the CDC and even the Calif DOJ show, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that MORE Firearms in the hands of good citizens have REDUCED crime.

    And the rate of gun-related homicide in the US is 19.5 times higher than in any other high-income industrialized country. Argue for unfettered access to firearms all you want, but at least acknowledge the cost. You want something and you want to pretend that there’s no down side. Believe it or not, guns kill people. I know conservatives like to say guns don’t kill people, but that’s like saying fire doesn’t kill people. Both are useful; both can be controlled; and both can kill, intentionally or by mistake. All sane people have a healthy respect for fire in this country, but a large portion of the population likes to pretend that guns aren’t dangerous. No one thinks it’s crazy or oppressive for the government to mandate that your neighbor can’t light a giant bonfire right next to your house, but with guns, despite the fact they kill people every day, all the time, accidentally and on purpose, these same people see no reason to perhaps limit their access and the terms of their use based on any sensible criteria. Just exercise a little “self-control” is great advice for a compulsively masturbating teenager, but it’s pretty piss poor advice to someone whose failure to do so might end up lethally harming me or mine.

  10. 13

    olhardhead

    @another vet
    Yea, I’m aware of Yon ‘s feud with CJ and while I haven’t been able to access Black Five (work network ban) for several years I’m aware that Yon and Uncle Jimbo have also been at odds…so… Ya know I remember a “CJ” here at flopping aces, just didn’t put 2 and 2 together..thanks!
    best,
    ol’

  11. 15

    Jim S

    @Kraken: ….. and what happens to a “smart gun” when any competent gunsmith opens it up and removes the “smarts”? Sounds like it would take about 5 minutes.

  12. 16

    Aqua

    @Greg:

    The Andy Raymond incident raises a lot of questions about the NRA, and about the honesty and responsibility of their agenda.

    And the Leeland Yee incident raises a lot of questions about the democrats honesty and responsibility of their agenda.

  13. 18

    Aqua

    @Tom:

    Just exercise a little “self-control” is great advice for a compulsively masturbating teenager, but it’s pretty piss poor advice to someone whose failure to do so might end up lethally harming me or mine.

    So you’re saying you fear law abiding citizens that may have a weapon? Do you have this same fear of criminals that may have a weapon? Maybe it’s just the difference in the part of the country we’re raised in, but I don’t fear my neighbors. I know many of them have weapons. We don’t walk out to our mailboxes using police tactics with our weapons drawn. We don’t open our doors with a gun behind our backs and safeties off. We don’t toss a couple of rounds down range if someone is on our lawn.
    But you would take our weapons away? You compare it to fire. I’m not buying it. More like a vehicle. Cars kill thousands of people every year. But we don’t take everyone’s car or truck away because a small percentage of people don’t know how to operate one or operate it foolishly. Some people have their cars stolen and those cars are involved in fatalities. Is the person whose car was stolen at fault?

  14. 21

    kevino

    RE: “Hillary Rand’s basic argument is, ‘My kids shouldn’t have to look at a gun.’”
    So, Hillary, your kids should never see a uniformed police officer, or you believe that police officers should not be armed?

  15. 22

    Kraken

    @Tom:

    And the rate of gun-related homicide in the US is 19.5 times higher than in any other high-income industrialized country.

    Where does this figure come from?

    Just exercise a little “self-control” is great advice for a compulsively masturbating teenager, but it’s pretty piss poor advice to someone whose failure to do so might end up lethally harming me or mine.

    Who exactly gave this advice? Who are you quoting?

  16. 24

    Jim S

    @Kraken:

    What is the cost of a smart gun, as compared to a standard gun?

    I don’t know…. are there even any “smart guns” on the market? I’m just saying that it seems like it would be pretty easy to defeat the thing. It’s just another example of the leftist way of dealing with anything… blame the object not the user, and slap on needless layers of complication. Completely ignore the unintended consequences.

  17. 25

    Tom

    @Aqua:

    So you’re saying you fear law abiding citizens that may have a weapon? Do you have this same fear of criminals that may have a weapon?

    I don’t fear mentally competent, law abiding citizens having guns. I support that right, within reason. What I don’t support is dangerously mentally ill people or criminals having weapons. The NRA is the defacto lobby for the gun industry. Sure, some people may choose to believe their marketing materials – and there’s no doubt they’ve done a masterful job tapping into a deep vein of paranoia on the Right – but like any lobby, just follow the money; just look at what legislation they support, or what they have their lawyers up to, and it’s clear their primary mission is to fight any legislation for any reason that might result in a drop in gun sales. Period. This is an organization that successfully pushed for a CDC ban on doing research on gun violence. What virtuous motive can be ascribed to that?

    We don’t walk out to our mailboxes using police tactics with our weapons drawn. We don’t open our doors with a gun behind our backs and safeties off. We don’t toss a couple of rounds down range if someone is on our lawn.

    And still children accidentally shoot themselves to death every day. Guns are dangerous and should be treated as such. The consensus with 2nd Amendment zealots is that only “bad” people misuse guns, so if you’re a good person you have nothing to fear. This is a dangerous lie. Look at at how guns are treated in Israel for an instructive contrast to the attitude in United States, where the NRA and their congressional allies have a zero tolerance policy for any legislation around background checks or licensing. Let’s not forget the majority of gun owners support background checks. What does that say about whose interests the NRA and their allies are serving?

    More like a vehicle. Cars kill thousands of people every year. But we don’t take everyone’s car or truck away because a small percentage of people don’t know how to operate one or operate it foolishly. Some people have their cars stolen and those cars are involved in fatalities. Is the person whose car was stolen at fault?

    No one is suggesting we take all guns, or cars, away. But cars do offer a very constructive comparison. Everyone needs to pass a test and procure a license to drive a car. Federal law mandates manufactures have certain safety features in cars, such as seat belts and airbags. Federal and state laws mandate the use of seat belts and other appropriate measures like not texting while driving. The DOT can unilaterally pull a car off the road for safety concerns. A person can lose the privilege of driving for safety concerns. Car manufactures can be sued for an unsafe product that causes harm to a person. While none of these measures alone can make everyone safe, they clearly make driving much safer, as they attack the issue from various sides, such as who can drive, what can be driven, how it’s driven, how it’s manufactured, etc. In some form, every one of these concepts can be applied to guns. And the gun lobby has fought every attempt to put them in place.

  18. 26

    retire05

    @Tom:

    @FAITH7:

    exactly what is the NRA’s “Agenda”?

    To sell guns

    Tom, please provide me the names of all those NRA owned gun stores. I would like to purchase a firearm from them.

    Never mind that the NRA was started to arm free blacks against Democrats of the South after the Civil War. How dare the NRA think that the newly freed blacks should have the right to arm themselves, and protect their families, from the Democrat KKK.

    No wonder you don’t like the NRA. They gave power to blacks and that is the last thing Democrats want.

  19. 27

    retire05

    @Tom:

    I don’t fear mentally competent, law abiding citizens having guns. I support that right, within reason. What I don’t support is dangerously mentally ill people or criminals having weapons

    And you want to put the determination who is mentally competent into the hands of bureaucrats in D.C.? Maybe like the ones who spend six hours a day on porn sites?

    And still children accidentally shoot themselves to death every day. Guns are dangerous and should be treated as such.

    So are swimming pools and kids drown every day. Should be let bureaucrats in D.C. determine who is mentally fit to own a swimming pool?

    Everyone needs to pass a test and procure a license to drive a car.

    Some one needs to tell that to the millions of illegals in our nation who drive, without training, tests or licenses, every day.

  20. 28

    Jim S

    @Tom:

    This is an organization that successfully pushed for a CDC ban on doing research on gun violence. What virtuous motive can be ascribed to that?

    It’s mission creep. What in hell do guns have to do with controlling infectious disease? It’s basically a way to give a political view “gun control” scientific weight that it doesn’t deserve. Back in the old days of cigarette ads on radio & TV, they used to have doctors say that these smokes were OK… BS then, BS now.

  21. 29

    Kraken

    @Tom:

    The NRA is the defacto lobby for the gun industry.

    What is the evidence to support this claim?

    This is an organization that successfully pushed for a CDC ban on doing research on gun violence.

    Why would the Center for Disease Control have any need to conduct research on gun violence?

    And still children accidentally shoot themselves to death every day.

    According to what statistic?

    Look at at how guns are treated in Israel

    How does the violence in Israel compare with the violence in Chicago which has some of the nation’s strictest gun laws?

    Let’s not forget the majority of gun owners support background checks.

    According to whom?

    No one is suggesting we take all guns, or cars, away.

    No one. Well, no one except for Tracy Morgan. And Supreme Court Justice Stevens. And Piers Morgan. And the NY Times. And Senator Feinstein.

    Everyone needs to pass a test and procure a license to drive a car.

    Is driving a car a right?

  22. 30

    Mannie

    Moms for Rape and murder don’t want their children to have to look at guns, but they =want them raped and murdered while they are helpless.

    The rapist moms, the hoplophobes, the gun grabbers, the Liberals, the other criminals are actively promoting rape and murder. They do this because they inhibit decent Americans from defending themselves. They don’t care about your life. They actually want you to be raped and murdered, because it feeds their sick adoration of victims.

    It is time to hold these scum personally responsible for enabling rape and murder. Make them social pariahs. Call them out and denounce them.

    Hey, Moms, how many rapes did you enable today. How many kids did you murder?

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  23. 31

    Aqua

    @Tom:

    Sure, some people may choose to believe their marketing materials – and there’s no doubt they’ve done a masterful job tapping into a deep vein of paranoia on the Right

    I’ll have to join the rest here in that paranoia. And the bigger the government grows, under either party, the more paranoia I feel.

    And still children accidentally shoot themselves to death every day.

    Children are killed everyday by any number of reasons. The vehicle of their deaths make the death no less tragic.

    But cars do offer a very constructive comparison.

    Fair enough. I think the right would take things a little differently if the left quit going after people that obey the law, pay their taxes, and were otherwise upstanding members of society. If they were to direct their ire at criminals, we could probably have a better conversation. The Valadez Law in Illinois is a good start. It gives prison time to gang members carrying a loaded gun. I would prefer it be any gun. And if the NRA protested that, I believe you would find the membership fall drastically.

  24. 32

    Tom

    @Kraken:

    What is the evidence to support this claim?

    Who funds the NRA? What legislation does the NRA pursue? If you’re looking for a smoking gun quote announcing a connection, I guess I can’t supply that. That’s why I wrote “defacto”
    http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1

    Why would the Center for Disease Control have any need to conduct research on gun violence?

    The name not withstanding, the CDC is the national public health institute of the United States. How people in the United States are injured and killed would seem to be well within their purview.

    How does the violence in Israel compare with the violence in Chicago which has some of the nation’s strictest gun laws?

    I’m sure you’re aware that a gun is easily transportable. Local laws can never entirely address gun violence. Nor would I suggest any law can. A laws efficacy is hardly the only criteria for its desirability. In cities where murder is more prevalent, no one suggests murder should be legal.

    Is driving a car a right?

    Interesting question. Do you have a right to walk down the street, to travel in general, to own a car (property)?

    And are there no limitations on the right to bear arms?

    @Aqua

    Children are killed everyday by any number of reasons. The vehicle of their deaths make the death no less tragic.

    Of course not. But why wouldn’t society want to address preventable deaths? If you’re point is that this is the cost of doing business, you should be more explicit. If you read stories about the accidental deaths of children by firearms, a common theme is negligence on the part of adults who don’t properly store firearms. Why isn’t knowledge of something that basic part of the criteria of gun ownership? It’s so strange to me that responsible people support irresponsibility in this one area.

    I think the right would take things a little differently if the left quit going after people that obey the law, pay their taxes, and were otherwise upstanding members of society. If they were to direct their ire at criminals, we could probably have a better conversation.

    Most of the measures I support aren’t about going after anyone. They’re about setting a certain reasonable bar for gun ownership that is analogous to the bars we we set for a host of other responsibilities in our society, whether it be driving a big rig truck or handling hazardous materials.

  25. 33

    another vet

    @olhardhead: That feud seems like it’s reached legendary status on the military blogs. I’ve had a little bit of contact with CJ outside of FA and he seems like an excellent NCO. His patriotism is definitely without question and his service record is nothing to sneeze at. Most of us who served over there are probably on a terrorist watchlist of some sort by now.

  26. 34

    retire05

    @Tom:

    If you read stories about the accidental deaths of children by firearms, a common theme is negligence on the part of adults who don’t properly store firearms.

    And if you read stories about the accidental deaths of children by vehicle, a common theme is alcohol on the part of the adults who don’t properly use alcohol.

    Should bureaucrats in D.C. decide who is mentally fit to purchase alcohol?

  27. 35

    Kraken

    Well, here’s the answers to some of my questions which the drones at the top of the Collective don’t want you to be aware of, and the drones at the bottom of the Collective never thought of because they can’t think more than a single nano-second into the future.

    Because smart guns contain computerized electronics, they are vulnerable to EMP weapons and/or hacking. No doubt the BLM would have liked to have a smart gun mandate in place in Nevada so they could have rendered the firearms of Bundy supporting patriots useless. That’s why the Collective likes this; because it allows them to negate the 2nd Amendment with the flip of a switch by the order any two-bit bureaucrat. But there are also other considerations here. What if smart guns are stupidly mandated for the military and police? What would stop an enemy combatant, terrorist, or criminal from rendering our armed forces’ or police firearms useless with a simple EMP blast or by hacking them in the same manner that they’re now hacking cars?

    The Armatix iP1 currently costs $1,399 while the accompanying watch costs $399. The Collective likes this because like the EPA regulations on lead and the Green Bullet, smart guns can help the Collective circumnavigate the 2nd Amendment by making firearms ownership cost prohibitive for many if not most.

    The smart gun legislation passed in New Jersey in 2002 by the Collective, mandates that all guns be smart guns once they are able to be sold in stores within three years of their emergence. So in other words, in three years New Jersey will prohibit the sale of “dumb guns,” and thus all firearms sold in that state will be required to possess the vulnerabilities described above. No doubt the Collective would like to see this become a Federal mandate.

    The emotionally charged “for the children” arguments fail to recognize these unintended and intended consequences.

  28. 36

    another vet

    @Kraken:

    The emotionally charged “for the children” arguments fail to recognize these unintended consequences.

    That was their stated reason for why we had to bomb Syria as well. As we all know the real reason was to cover for the infamous “red line in the sand” threat. I’ve made offers to gun grabbing lefties out there that if they want mine I’ll give them my address and they can feel free to try and take them. No takers. That is what they want the government to do- force their collective beliefs on the rest of us.

  29. 37

    Common Sense

    This is Hillary playing to her liberal base!! I would like to ask her if she has a clue how millions of innocent babies felt as the suction cannula was inserted into their mother’s womb and their life ended without the chance to see daylight!! She will be held accountable!!

  30. 38

    Aqua

    @Tom:

    It’s so strange to me that responsible people support irresponsibility in this one area.

    I don’t. I don’t know of anyone that does. A lot of States require you to go through gun safety classes. My State does not, but I would recommend it to anyone that wants a gun. The dreaded NRA recommends that gun owners go through gun safety class. I can’t think of an instance where the NRA has tried to block legislation to require gun safety training. They happen to be one of the biggest gun safety training organizations. Along with that, I think we believe parents consider the safety of their children. I know how this is going to sound, but there are people that believe there should be a test before you have children. I’ll tell you the truth, there are times when I’m watching the news that I tend to agree. People forgetting their kids in a car in summertime, leaving a toddler in the tub, and yes, leaving a loaded weapon where a child can get to it.

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