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Climate change skeptics are headed the way of Christians in Egypt and the left is readying the machetes and torches. Yesterday Harry Reid declared

“Climate change deniers still exist. They exist, I’m sorry to say, in this Congress. … Climate change exists and it’s time to stop denying it.”

That’s pretty clear. The skeptics must be eliminated.

Not one to be outdone in logic fallacy, Chuck Schumer added:

“If you went to 100 doctors and 98 of them said you were sick and should take medicine but two told you that you were find, what would you do?” Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said, citing the ratio of scientists that believe climate change is real. “Climate change deniers need to wake up. … It’s time to take action.”

Back in December the site Reddit decided it would become a denier. It denies a voice to climate change skeptics. Reddit, which claims it is “passionately dedicated to free speech” raises hypocrisy to an art form.

The LA Times unveiled a new policy in October- it would no longer publish letters from those who question climate change.

Brian Stelter of CNN has proclaimed

Let’s begin with an important journalistic statement, and it’s something I mentioned in the last segment. Some stories don’t have two sides. Some stories are simply true. There’s no necessity to give equal time to the quote/unquote other side. One of these is climate change.

Apple CEO said that if you don’t believe in global warming then you should not buy Apple products.

Now Richard Branson warns that if you don’t believe in global warming you must

“get out of our way,”

Branson cares so much for the environment that he has added 7.1 million metric tons of CO2 to the atmosphere over the years with his aircraft. And that’s before we get to his rockets:

SpaceShipTwo uses a hybrid engine that burns a large chunk of rubber. That doesn’t sound very good. It certainly didn’t look very good on SpaceShipTwo’s first powered flight, which produced a big cloud of black smoke in the Mojave sky. Look at the picture above. Does that look clean to you? And that was only a 16-second burn, not the minute plus needed to get to space.

Branson’s comments focus on total carbon emissions. But, what chemicals and toxins are being emitted into the air by RocketMotorTwo? We don’t know. Is it similar to a tire fire? Let’s hope not; those things are pretty dirty.

SpaceShipTwo will be burning rubber in the upper atmosphere, where particulate matter tends to remain for much longer periods of time. What is the long-term impact of that?

Virgin Galactic could probably do better with a cleaner-burning liquid fuel engine, which is not exactly new technology. A liquid propulsion system would also help lower costs to space because they wouldn’t have to replace the engine after each flight. But, that was a road not taken.

There are other questions as well. Do the calculations take into the account the three pounds of carbon created during the production of each pound of nitrous oxide? How much carbon will a trip to space produce? Again, we don’t know because Virgin Galactic has never released its math.

According to the carbon footprint calculator at Terrapress, a round trip air flight from London to Singapore produces 5,259 lbs of carbon per person. Branson says a trip to space will produce somewhat less than that, but we don’t know exactly how much.

Hypocrisy is oxygen for liberals.

Charles Krauthammer observes the “Myth of settled science”

Settled? Even Britain’s national weather service concedes there’s been no change — delicately called a “pause” — in global temperature in 15 years. If even the raw data is recalcitrant, let alone the assumptions and underlying models, how settled is the science?

But even worse than the pretense of settledness is the cynical attribution of any politically convenient natural disaster to climate change, a clever term that allows you to attribute anything — warming and cooling, drought and flood — to man’s sinful carbon burning.

The existence of God has been proven with a MacBook.

Stelter:

Depending on which study or which expert you consult, between 95 and 97 percent of scientists agree that climate change is happening now, that it’s damaging the planet, and that it’s man-made.

James Delingpole explains how the “97%” consensus number was obtained:

Let’s start with those spurious 95/97 per cent artefacts.

They first surfaced during the discredited Doran Survey–a 2009 online poll of scientists conducted by two researchers at the University of Illinois.

As I note in The Little Green Book of Ecofascism, they asked two questions:

When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen or remained relatively constant?

Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

To both of which questions, even most skeptics would answer “yes.” The only room for dissent would be over that term “significant.”

But even with such carefully loaded questions the researchers were disappointed by the lack of unanimity of response from the more than 10,000 scientists they originally surveyed. So, in order to stack the odds still further–in what was always a shamelessly political exercise, not a scientific one–they decided to exclude all save the respondents who self-identified as “climate scientists.”

Even here, after reducing their 10,000 scientists to fewer than one hundred, their respondents were incapable of achieving that much-desired consensus. But it was near enough: seventy-five out of a total of seventy-seven “climate scientists”agreed with a premise roughly equivalent to “Does night follow day?”, “Do bears defecate in subarboreal environments?”, “Is the Pope Catholic?” etc.

That 97 per cent figure, in other words, has about as much credibility as the IPCC’s “Himalayan glaciers to disappear by 2035” claim or the one about polar bears being an endangered species when in fact, in the last 50 years, their population has quintupled.

And why don’t we have a look at the predictions from the 97%?

John Christy, professor at the University of Alabama Huntsville:

“I looked at 73 climate models going back to 1979 and every single one predicted more warming than happened in the real world.”

There’s a boatload of wrong from those experts:

One of the central issues is believed to be why the IPCC failed to account for the “pause” in global warming, which they admit that they did not predict in their computer models. Since 1997, world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase.

The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now.

Despite a 2012 draft stating that the world is at it’s warmest for 1,300 years, the latest document states: “’Surface temperature reconstructions show multi-decadal intervals during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950-1250) that were in some regions as warm as in the late 20th Century.”

The 2007 report included predictions of a decline in Antarctic sea ice, but the latest document does not explain why this year it is at a record high.

The 2013 report states: “’Most models simulate a small decreasing trend in Antarctic sea ice extent, in contrast to the small increasing trend in observations …

“There is low confidence in the scientific understanding of the small observed increase in Antarctic sea ice extent.’

The 2007 forecast for more intense hurricanes has also been ignored in the new document after this year was one of the quietest hurricane seasons in history.

In fact, they’ve been wrong about 97.4% of the time:

Can you rely on the weather forecast? Maybe not, at least when it comes to global warming predictions over short time periods.

That’s the upshot of a new study in the journal Nature Climate Change that compared 117 climate predictions made in the 1990’s to the actual amount of warming. Out of 117 predictions, the study’s author told FoxNews.com, three were roughly accurate and 114 overestimated the amount of warming. On average, the predictions forecasted two times more global warming than actually occurred.

Our friend Anthony Watts makes a great point:

It is my personal recommendation that if anyone should publically claim because ’97% of scientists agree’ and are attempting to use this phrase as a soundbite to close down any criticism, going beyond the conclusions of these surveys.

My recommendation is to ask them politely if they are aware of the source of this phrase. And then quote to them an example of the feedback by scientists that took part in the survey itself, any then perhaps it will be possible to have a debate about any issue or claim being made.

Of course there’s the feckless Al Gore who predicted the North Pole would be ice free in 2013.

And that brings me to James Hansen, who predicted in 1988 that within 40 years the Westside Highway in New York would be under water.

I’m betting on no.

Did you know the Earth was warmer 1000 years ago than it is today?

So what’s really going on?

Taxes.

democrats like Reid and Schumer are to climate science what a piano is to a snake. This is about a revenue stream, the ability to tax fossil fuels more than now with the purported goal of saving the planet when in truth all it is about is soaking the American taxpayer dry.

And they’re not afraid to bully you out of your rights you to do it.

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I have stated this on a previous thread. But I need to rephrase it. Many warmers have stated that the cold wave(s) in Nort

Curse the IPad sensitivity

…North America this winter were caused by global warming. If so, they have now made a non-model based prediction for next winter. If there is no repetition of the severe weather, then their so-called model is wrong and must be abandoned or greatly modified. If, however, they stick to their guns (Ooh…scary), then something is overwhelming their so-called forcing agent, CO 2. But that would mean that that is the dominant cause and not carbon dioxide.

And let me repeat: Hey senators. Explain the Carboniferous!

“If you went to 100 doctors and 98 of them said you were sick and should take medicine but two told you that you were find, what would you do?”

If the first 98 are fanatical witch doctors who are telling you that you are sick because of capitalist demons, and the medicine is to hang a dead bald eagle around your neck and live in a cave, I would have to go with the two that say you’re fine.

I like what Dr. Spencer has decided to do, Time to push back against the global warming Nazis

Usage of the word “denier” is one of the more blatant indications that this is the Collective’s assigned religion rather than a science. Only religion has heretics, heathens, infidels, unbelievers, deniers, etc. Not science. Science has skeptics who are absolutely integral, essential, and indispensable to the scientific method. Without skeptics, you don’t have science; you have dogmatic superstition instead. Few things illustrate this clearer than last night’s séance.

This is about a revenue stream, the ability to tax fossil fuels more than now with the purported goal of saving the planet when in truth all it is about is soaking the American taxpayer dry.

I think you’re right, but I also think that this pseudoscience is supported internationally as a way to extort treasure from the U.S. taxpayer, and transfer it to the coffers of the despot club at the U.N. under the aegis of Environmental Justice nonsense.

“Climate change skeptics are headed the way of Christians in Egypt and the left is readying the machetes and torches.”
“That’s pretty clear. The skeptics must be eliminated.” [in reference to the statement, ‘Climate change exists and it’s time to stop denying it’]
-DrJohn

From the article linked by John@4 “When politicians and scientists started calling people like me “deniers”, they crossed the line. They are still doing it…I’m now going to start calling these people “global warming Nazis””

“Don’t expect the media or anyone else to report on this study although. It will be dismissed because it was published by Global Warming Policy Foundation, as Dr. Judith Curry writes in the forward to the paper, this foundation is one of the few places that will publish this kind of paper since it goes against the man-made global warming Nazi’s.”
-Curt @

New Study…Climate Is Less Sensitive To CO2 Than Most Models Suggest

Irrespective of the legitimacy of your views, have you ever considered that people might question the clarity of thought of anyone who sees an equivalence between “my views aren’t taken seriously by the scientific community, and reddit won’t print my articles!” and, say, the plight of German Jews in the ’30s or the persecution faced by present-day Coptic Christians in Egypt?

Does it concern you that even IF you have a rock-solid basis for your belief that AGW is a farce, presenting that case so astoundingly overdressed with persecution-complex hyperbole might somehow detract from the case you are trying to make?

Are you that out of touch with reality? Does having your views on AGW mocked, dismissed, and (horrors!) unpublished by widely-circulated newspapers actually strike you as comparable to what Jewish families were experiencing as German soldiers rounded them up onto the Auschwitz-bound trains, or comparable to Egyptian Copts watching their churches be gutted and torched while cowering in fear from a violent Islamic mob?

“If you went to 100 doctors and 98 of them said you were sick and should take medicine but two told you that you were find, what would you do?” That depends. Are the 98% on the payroll of the pharmaceutical companies to prescribe the drugs they sell to patients? For, that is exactly the motivation behind Gore and the “researchers” who would be cleaning out monkey cages if they weren’t generating new and imaginative justifications for their livelihoods.

Speaking of being out of touch with reality, here’s an excellent example of what I’m talking about. During a hysterical rapture at last night’s séance, Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein purportedly chanted that the planet is warming faster than ever.

Yet here in Reality Land, there hasn’t been any demonstrable warming for over 17 years. Only one thing is for sure: Ms. Feinstein is no Oracle of Delphi.

@Bill:

Don’t fall into their trap arguing over the legitimacy of the supposed consensus.

Remember, consensus science is pseudoscience.

Also, the 97% consensus they repeatedly cite is purely imaginary.

@DrJohn:

Do we need to wait for the internment and re-education camps?

Wow. Just – wow.
Editted, as I’ve collected my wits enough to actual muster an answer to this question.

Yes, Dr. John. Yes, you will need to wait a very, very long time for those things to occur.

Do you really think that the day will come where you, based on your views that the climate isn’t actually warming due to CO2 emissions, will be forcibly relocated from your home to an internment camp?

@Kevin Kirkpatrick:

Does having your views on AGW mocked, dismissed, and (horrors!) unpublished by widely-circulated newspapers actually strike you as comparable to what Jewish families were experiencing as German soldiers rounded them up onto the Auschwitz-bound trains, or comparable to Egyptian Copts watching their churches be gutted and torched while cowering in fear from a violent Islamic mob?

You tell me.

Climate Craziness of the Week – Greenpeace posts threats

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2014/02/23/ny-times-cartoon-suggests-climate-change-deniers-should-be-stabbed-dea

@DrJohn:

Do we need to wait for the internment and re-education camps?

No. Today’s re-education camps are called universities.

Do these climate ‘change’ alarmists really believe if we clean up our air, it is going to stay conveniently over our continent? The atmosphere is an ever changing phenomenom which is a world wide event. Even if we cleaned up our act, don’t they recognize that India, China and other countries are polluting much more than us so whatever we gain in lower emissions has no impact on the total amount of impurities emitted in the atmosphere.

To say nothing of the 20 or so active volcanoes around the world that emit tons of p0llutants with every eruption.

Like Kraken said, it’s all about the money.

CLIMATE CHANGE ALL THE TIME SINCE THE CREATION,
we would not be alive if the CLIMATE would never change,
CLIMATE ON THE SUN, CLIMATE ON THE MOON, CLIMATE ON THE PLANETS MOVING,
AROUND OUR SPACE, CLIMATE OF THE STRATOSPHERE, climate of the WIND,
climate of the OCEAN, climate of the DEBT of the OCEAN climate of the EARTH,
climate of the DEPT of the EARTH, CLIMATE OF YOUR BODY, CLIMATE OF MY BODY PLUS YOUR BODY,
CLIMATE OF THE ANIMAL, CLIMATE OF MANY ANIMALS, CLIMATE OF A CROWD,
climate of a WOLF PACK, climate of the NORTH,
climate of the SOUTH, climate of the WEST,
climate of the EAST, CLIMATE OF THE WIND TURBINE TOWERS,
CLIMATE OF A CLUSTER OF WIND TURBINE TOWERS, CLIMATE OF THE
LIVE BIRD, CLIMATE OF THE DEAD BIRDS UNDERNEAT THE CLUSTER OF WIND TURBINE TOWER,
CLIMATE OF THE WORLD, climate of the bee hive

Reid is such a fraud. All the Democrats are doing is trying to change the dialogue away from their failures which are to numerous to list. Fast and Furious, Benghazi, O-blamacare for starters!!

@Kraken:

“Do we need to wait for the internment and re-education camps?”

“No. Today’s re-education camps are called universities.”

I’d normally read this and just assume the writer was speaking metaphorically. But, in light of Dr. John’s revelations, I must ask: do you understand the differences between a university and a re-education camp? Wikipedia does a good job of summarizing what re-education camps refer to, and I’m interested to know if you feel this is the “basically the same thing” as what’s happening in modern-day universities.

Reeducation camp (Vietnamese: trại học tập cải tạo) is the official title given to the prison camps operated by the government of Vietnam following the end of the Vietnam War. In such “reeducation camps”, the government imprisoned several hundred thousand former military officers and government workers from the former government of South Vietnam. Reeducation as it was implemented in Vietnam was seen as both a means of revenge and as a sophisticated technique of repression and indoctrination, which developed for several years in the North and was extended to the South following the 1975 Fall of Saigon.[citation needed] An estimated 1-2.5[1] million people were imprisoned with no formal charges or trials.[2] According to published academic studies in the United States and Europe, 165,000 people died in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam’s re-education camps.[2] Thousands were tortured or abused. Prisoners were incarcerated for as long as 17 years, with most terms ranging from three to 10 years.[2]

Can you play Devil’s Advocate, just for a moment, and maybe describe just one or two key ways in which American Universities are *categorically* different than re-education camps – ways in which it’s (to the reasonable-minded amongst us) utterly absurd to actually group them together as even threatening to be the same thing?

Sorry if that seems condescending, but I’ll segue into a response to Dr. John to show you where I’m coming from…

Dr. John: “I’ve never seen anyone in government single out and demonize private individuals as democrats do now.” Wow. Sorry, I keep reusing that term, but – you haven’t seen anyone in government single out private individuals for unpopular political views, beyond… WHAT? Can you show me a freaking PARKING TICKET issued to someone as a result of their views on global warming? For crying out loud, we were IMPRISONING people for expressing Communist sentiments 60 years ago. We actually interred entire communities during WW2. And you… again, WHAT? you are being blocked from posting articles on reddit? Some idiots made a youtube video with non-specific threats? An Indian Green Peace activist called for civil disobedience against you? Is THIS the level of crackdown which you feel is unparalleled by anything in history?

@DrJohn: Also, immediately after the 2008 election, Obama was encouraging those who received emails which did not support the administration and its goals to forward them to the White House so these people could be “corrected”.

Obviously, the left wing message is afraid to be shown in the light of day against even moderate scrutiny. That, in and of itself, should be enough for those who honestly believe in the ideology to begin the painful task of reevaluation.

@Kevin Kirkpatrick:

I’d normally read this and just assume the writer was speaking metaphorically. But, in light of Dr. John’s revelations, I must ask: do you understand the differences between a university and a re-education camp? Wikipedia does a good job of summarizing what re-education camps refer to, and I’m interested to know if you feel this is the “basically the same thing” as what’s happening in modern-day universities.

Well yes. I’ve been through a major 4 year university. Very little of value was taught. But what I do know, is that a real university, would properly teach its students not to cite consensus encyclopedias like WikiPedia, because they tend to be maintained by teenage socialist activists rather than experts in any given field.

WHAT? Can you show me a freaking PARKING TICKET issued to someone as a result of their views on global warming?

No. But I can show you right of center organizations that were targeted by this administration’s IRS for their political positions, of which positions on Global Warming mythology represents a portion. Would that suffice?

You seem to feel that transition into fascism is an overnight on/off switch. Rather, it’s a slow process. So the question isn’t whether or not AGW mythologists are currently gassing skeptics. Rather, the question is where along the fascist transformation curve are they at this point in time?

@Bill:

Also, immediately after the 2008 election, Obama was encouraging those who received emails which did not support the administration and its goals to forward them to the White House so these people could be “corrected”.

Oh yeah, I remember the Truth Team and Attack Watch.

@Kraken,

This thread has reached Twighlight-Zone levels of absurdity. I simply cannot think of where to start with someone who really sees the American university experience (where “very little of value is taught”) as pretty much the same thing as a Communist government program that captured, imprisoned, abused, tortured, and executed political dissidents. In your universe, what is the worst conceivable fate of a staunch climate-skeptic student who is paying huge amounts of money to voluntarily attend one of these “reeducation camps”? Solitary confinement? Regiments of dehydration and starvation? Torture? Execution by firing squad? Bias in a grade given to an essay? Just how bad do you think it could get?

Dr.John – are you saying the WORST thing the government has done to individuals, as a result of their voicing skepticism of Global Warming, is subjected their tax returns to extra scrutiny? Granting that fully, is THAT is the level of persecution which exceeds anything you have ever seen a government do to single out an individual with undesirable political views?

“Obama and Reid are all but ordering people to go out and kill the Koch brothers, calling them “un-American.””

Do you even read what you are writing? Can you really be this unhinged? In what universe do you live where calling someone “un-American” is “all but ordering their death.” ?

Keep it coming DrJohn, you’re on a roll!

I thought we were talking about government persecution of US citizens for voicing skeptic views of AGW, but you’re linking to stories about citizens lawfully protesting the Koch brother’s stance with resepect to the ACA. I’m not even sure what conversation you’re having. But frankly, at this point, I’m just sticking around for the sheer entertainment value of your posts.

Just to keep track of the hyperbole, with regards to being subject to lawful protests you linked, do you consider the billionaire-Koch brothers’ suffering (where people yelled mean things with naughty words, and even wrote not-so-nice songs!!) to most closely match that of Japanese families being relocated to internment camps, dissidents being imprisoned in a Communist reeducation camp, or something closer to the Jews being transported to Auschwitz in Nazi Germany?

inMAGICn
the SENATORS don”t have a clue ABOUT CARBONIFEROUS,
ONLY THE IRON MAN WOULD KNOW,
and i”m running to GOOGLE, right after this comment,
BYE

I’m curious about the efficacy of Obama’s incitement to violence. I guess I’d missed it – must be that he’s speaking in code that goes way over my comprehension level – but according to your secret decoder ring, he has clearly been ordering his followers to go forth and slaughter political adversaries for almost a decade now.

How’s that working? What’s the current daily death toll at – how many conservatives are being being hunted down and murdered for crossing Obama’s path? Weekly? Monthly? Yearly? Good thing he’s only in office for a couple more years – I’m not that good at math, but taking that yearly death toll and multiplying by 2 more would probably give a scary-high number!

@Kevin Kirkpatrick: Obama, like Spike Lee in with his Zimmerman tweets, would not soil his hands or put his name directly on any attempts at violence; he is far too smart for that. However, telling Hispanic listeners that their enemies (Republicans who oppose amnesty based immigration reform) should be punished, like Lee’s tweet of the (erroneous) address of the Zimmerman’s is a coward’s way to get some other idiot (like van der Lubbe) to do the dirty work.

Meanwhile, the mere image of a target for political opponents to defeat in election is, somehow, an incitement of violence capable of having Gabby Gifford shot in the head (by a liberal, by the way).

inMAGICn
CARBONIFEROUS,
is in it THOSE WHO LIVED IN THE PERMIAN, DEVONIAN, MEGANEURA, AND THE MOST DANGEROUS,
PULMONOSCORPIUS, ERA ?
BYE

Kevin Kerkpatrick
you would be more honest by saying the internment of human
could be coming true by doing it in different progressive level,
like a ladder climing, and yes a UNIVERSITY WHICH HIRED
ONLY THOSE INDOCTRINATED, by big GOVERNMENT, CAN TURN THEIR
LEARNING BUILDING IN THE INTERNMENT OF STUDENTS
we can observe it as we speak,
what leveL are they NOW? IT DEPEND ON THE STUDENT RECEPTION ABILITY
COUPLE BY HIS SHAKING JUDGEMENT NEVER HAVE BEEN TESTED, BECAUSE OF HIS PREVIOUS ,
UPBRINGING, BUT THAT INDOCTRINATION IS REPETITIVE ENOUGH TO WIN OVER SOME SADLY,
THE FACT THAT THE STUDENTS ARE NOT GIVEN THE RIGHT TO QUESTION OR DEBATE FEROCHOUSLY,
THEIR INNER GUTS FEELING THAT THE TEACHER IS A CLONE, PLANT THERE NOT TO EDUCATE BUT TO FEED THE STUDENTS WHAT THEY THEMSELVES HAD BEEN PLANTED BY OTHER IN POWER,
at the end of the day the student Leave and go home but it”s only his body who fonction,
his mind has remain in the UNIVERSITY,IMPRISONED, AND HE GET TO A LEVEL WHERE HE FEEL THE BELONGING AND ALLEGIANCE TO THAT UNIVERSITY, THOSE TEACHERS, THIS
PERNICIOUS KNOWLEDGE,
AND IF HE STAY TO MANY YEARS IN ONE OF THOSE,
HE HIS A SUIT IN NICE CLOTHES, HIS BRAIN BELONG TO THE INDOCTRINATION, IT IS DONE SO SUBTEL, THAT YOU NEED
TO BE ABLE TO DISCERN, WHICH IS NOT A GIFT OWN BY MANY,
by observation, i can say the many CONSERVATIVES POSESS
THAT GIFT OF DISCERNING THE WOLF HIDDEN AMONG THE SHEEPS,

@Kevin Kirkpatrick:

This thread has reached Twighlight-Zone levels of absurdity.

Undoubtedly. Collective Drones have been living in a kind of permanent Twilight Zone ever since the first hippies stumbled out of their piss holes at Woodstock.

I simply cannot think of where to start with someone who really sees the American university experience (where “very little of value is taught”) as pretty much the same thing as a Communist government program that captured, imprisoned, abused, tortured, and executed political dissidents. In your universe, what is the worst conceivable fate of a staunch climate-skeptic student who is paying huge amounts of money to voluntarily attend one of these “reeducation camps”? Solitary confinement? Regiments of dehydration and starvation? Torture? Execution by firing squad? Bias in a grade given to an essay? Just how bad do you think it could get?

Well, first of all you’re basing your opinions on articles written by the teenagers of the Audio/Visual Club from Anytown High School, so I’m not sure how seriously you ought to be taken. Regardless, I understand that blockheadedness is pervasive amongst drones in the Collective, so I’ll be happy to repeat what I said above in response to this:

You seem to feel that transition into fascism is an overnight on/off switch. Rather, it’s a slow process. So the question isn’t whether or not AGW mythologists are currently gassing skeptics. Rather, the question is where along the fascist transformation curve are they at this point in time?

I’ll be more than happy to continue repeating this response until such a time as you are able to process the information. Until then, what do you say we work together to lower the temperature of the Sun?

subjected their tax returns to extra scrutiny?

Subjecting tax returns to “extra scrutiny” may be purportedly clever Collectivese, but it is hardly language that adequately describes the widespread and blatant punitive targeting of right of center organizations and individuals. You don’t plead the 5th, if all you’re guilty of is “extra scrutiny.”

I am surprised no one has made an attempt on their lives yet.

As am I. Sociopaths like Reid and Pelosy thoroughly enjoy whipping their drones up into a frenzy.

I’m curious about the efficacy of Obama’s incitement to violence. I guess I’d missed it – must be that he’s speaking in code that goes way over my comprehension level – but according to your secret decoder ring, he has clearly been ordering his followers to go forth and slaughter political adversaries for almost a decade now.

He’s looking for an ass to kick.

He wants his drones to bring a gun to a knife fight.

He doesn’t want to quell anger.

He wants his drones to punch back twice as hard if they get hit.

He wants his drones to get in his neighbors faces and argue with them.

He feels that a Republican victory would mean hand-t0-hand combat.

He wants his Latina drones to punish their enemies.

After all, he’s itching for a fight.

continued…

…continued

Though this is likely over your comprehension level. All one really has to do is follow Collective Drones. Whether they’re clueless activist protesters, useless union goons, or acting in any other capacity.

Eventually, the ignorance and prolific failure of the policies the Collective pursues results in violent expressions of frustration. It’s as inevitable as it is commonplace. Drones are quite simply, unable to control themselves, and all it takes is a bit of flowery encouragement from an adored cult leader to set them off.

@Kevin Kirkpatrick: Google “black on white violence”. It has been on the rise. Obama cannot push his agenda without having villains for his followers to rally and hate.

Hey BEE

Thanks for coming back to a specific point instead of the rather deliberate side-tracking away on the part of KK who managed to provoke a minor firestorm.
The Carboniferous was sandwiched between the Devonian and the Permian (now that ended in a global disaster if there ever was one). The area of interest in in the Pennsylvanian (late Carboniferous), whose symbol is P.
The scary beasties you brought up were common in the P (don’t think of the joke! We’ve heard it before) but their gigantism was mostly due to a highly oxygenated atmosphere that permitted the inefficient insect systems to get enough O2 needed to function in their enlarged state.
What’s more to my interest in, as can be seen in its name “Carboniferous,” the age is marked geologically by widespread and extensive coal measures. These represent the compacted and concentrated witnesses to an extraordinary amount of organic material, derived from enormous swamps deposited over the millennia into environments where, for a variety of reasons, oxidation could not occur, despite the higher O2 levels. These were later buried and subjected to heat and pressure, became coal.
The carbon in these coals shows one of the way nature “sequesters” CO2 all by her lonesome. But this brings up the question as the P lasted millions of years and (incipient) coal was being deposited, where did the CO2 come from to be so massively squirreled away? Should we have not seen a pulsation of deposition draining the atmosphere of CO2 leading to floral extinction and a consequent mass extinction and maybe even glaciation followed by a restart of non-swamp plants?
This is too wordy, but in the Carboniferous there was not only increased levels of O2 but even CO2 compared to today, and there is no evidence of wild fluctuations in temperature.
Granted it was a long time ago. But if CO2 is forcing of climate, why is it that, with the latter double or triple (or more…it varied) today’s level, the period ended in severe glaciation? (Spoiler: it warn’t a lack o’ gas).

Kraken
you sure saying it better with fewer words,
than i do,
BYE

inMAGICn
THANK YOU, i like your coming back to explain,
and what i took is in it why on one side it has given us the mamouth and dynosaure and their cousin
along with the flying saure BIGGER BECAUSE THE GREAT AMOUNT OF O2 AND CO2 IN COAL [AM I RIGHT]
THEN THE DISAPERANCE OF THOSE GIANT CAUSE BY THE O2 DISAPEARANCE LEAVING CO2 BY ITSELF
HOW DID WE LOST THE O2, IS IT SINCE MAN ARRIVE, AND WHY’S THAT,
SO WE ARE DOING OKAY SINCE THE FERROUS ELEMENT COUNTAINED IN THE EARTH,
IS NOT ALL GONE,,YES?
OR DID I MESS IT ALL UP?
BYE
ADDING UP,TO THIS COMMENT, THE O2 DISAPEAR BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MORE GIANTS MAMOUTH AND DINOSAURES,
AND SOON THE HUMANITY ARISE SMALLER SIZE BECAUSE,
THERE WAS NO O2,
YES? AND EVEN THE FLYING SAURE CAME BACK BUT SMALLER SCALES ALSO, YES?
AND I WAS NOT THIKING OF THE JOKE UNTIL YOU MENTION IT,
BUT IT WAS VERY FUNNY TO REALYSE THE JOKE,

MORE: CAN IT BE THAT THE BIGG BONES PEOPLE AND TALLER
WOULD HAVE GENES FROM THAT ANCIENT TIME OF GIANT ANIMALS ROAMING THE EARTH,?

inMAGICn
CHECK MY 40TH COMMENT AGAIN,
BECAUSE I ADDED MORE TO IT TWICE, AT THE END, IF YOU WISH TO,
THANK YOU,
BYE

inMAGICn
JUST O ADD THAT WHAT IS TOLD IN THE GOOGLE SEARCH,
IS PROVING THE STORY OF THE BIBLE , IN THE BEGINING,
JUST BY MENTIONNING THE SNAKES BEING THE FIRST TO START THE EARTH LIVES,
IT TOOK ME TO THE CREATION IN THE BIBLE,

inMAGICn
i looked up the word ” OXYGENE” that is pretty explosif stuff,
and it contributed in making those animals gigantic,
there is still use of oxygene today, one is to revive a person for many reason needed,
now do you think that the person who recieve it could be gaining more pound to his body because he recieved some, and what is the measure of oxigene which could be influencing his weight as it DID influence the gigantism on animals of that era,
BYE,

CONGRATULATION DAVID JOLLY FOR WINNIG YOUR REPUBLICAN ELECTION,
GOOD FOR FLORIDA, YOU KNOW BETTER,
YOU ROCK, AND CONGRATULATION TO YOU ALL.

BEE

You have thrown out so many ideas, I don’t think I can cover even a portion of them this night. Let me just leave you my comment on your #42 not:

In principio erat Verbum
et Verbum apud Deum
et Deus erat Verbum..

And so continues John.

I only bring this up because science (my profession) can explain so very much, yet we can never explain “why.”

in MAGICn
sorry for asking so many questions,
i was taken away by the interest of the subject,
thank you for giving me the 42 answer, AND LEADING ME AT GOOGLE FOR THE TRANSLATION
edit: oh, so nice GOOGLE TRANSLATED FOR ME, and i love it,
INCREDIBLE, AND BEAUTIFULL,
BYE

– I am curious what Kevin Kirkpatrick thought he meant when Mr Ofraud made a speech and said he was going to “Fundamentally Transform America” ….

And I still wonder if ANYONE in that audience ‘knew’ what this meant – or ‘even questioned’ this statement?
The FIRST question should have been “transform it into what??”

This (below) begs the question….What kind of ‘leader’ says things like this in his statements or speeches??

** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”

Does Ofraud know, does ANY of our Politicians know, or even realize we are ‘suppose to be’ a ‘United’ States of America….NOT “Groups” of people that we, as politicians, need to pander to for votes America???

Once in a great while we get a President who speaks to ‘raise up’ ALL people. To raise up America. To bring the best out in people, and let them know there is no LIMIT to THEIR POTENTIAL….

…then sadly, down the road we must experience the sickness and oppression that is the ideology of Liberalism and the Progressive.

@FAITH7:

Good question, Faith

I JUST OPEN THE TELE TO SEE A BUILDING IN FIRE IN NEW YORK, EXPLOSIO FIGHTER BUILDING COLLAPSE, 135 FIREFIGHTERS, multiple injurys, a 5 alarm, there is a source of fire still burning after the extenguish it can’t be extinguish, madeson av, on park avenue it came at 9 am,
some think it came from below deep underground, they smell gas last night, they heard a rumble,

@inMAGICn:

In principio erat Verbum
et Verbum apud Deum
et Deus erat Verbum..

Translation:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
– Gospel of John Chapter 1 part 1