62 Responses to ““We did not treat President Bush this way.” [/wtf]”

  1. 51

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Ronald J. Ward
    YOU ARE THE MORON IN HERE AND DESPICABLE PERSON TO
    TRY TO COVER OBAMA, YOU SELL YOUR SOUL TO HELL WHERE YOU WONT PASS GO BUT SLIP IN THERE WHERE THEY WILL PULL YOU DOWN,
    TALK FOR YOURSELF, PRESIDENT BUSH USED A LOT OF CONTROL BY ATTACKING THE MOST
    DANGEROUS LEADER, WHO INVADED HIS PEACE LOVING NEIGHBOR, AND ALMOST KILLED HIS FATHER, WHO WAS PROTECTING OUR ALLY THERE,
    AND
    AFTER THOSE TERRORIST PLANES INVADED THE USA, THE DIFFERENCE OF OBAMA WHO OPEN THE USA TO UNKOWN TERRORIST,
    ARE YOU CRAZY ENOUGH TO THINK THAT BUSH WOULD HAVE GONE TO LAS VEGAS AND SHUT THE TV AND RADIO TO NOT HEAR NOTHING,
    YOU DIDN’T KNOW THAT BUSH WAS A AMERICAN AT 100/CENT
    ALLEGIANCE TO AMERICA
    AND HE SHOWED WHAT TO DO WITH AN INVASION ON USA SOIL, AND I SAID HE WAS MODERATE AND THOUTFULL OF THE CITIZENS IN IRAK,
    TO SAVE THEM FROM A TOTAL PULVERISATION OF THEIR COUNTRY WITH A NUCLEAR BOMB,
    WHICH THE TERRORIST DESERVED TO BE COOK ALIVE FOR WHAT THEY DID ,
    IT WOULD HAVE FIX THE PROBLEM OF TERRORIST ATTACKING AMERICA FOREVER,
    BUT IT SHOW THE COMPASSION OF THE AMERICAN HEART BORNED IN THEIR ROOTS,
    BUT IT COST A LOT IN MONEYS AND HAVE MADE A DEBT IN THE ECONOMY BECAUSE NOT HIM BUT THE 9/11, MASSIVE DESTRUCTION, BY ENEMY OF AMERICA, SOME HAVE BEEN ADMITED HERE SINCE BY OBAMA,
    YOU SEEM TO WANT TO THINK IT DIDN’T HAPPEN, OR HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT,
    AND IT TOOK OBAMA 5 YEARS TO SPEND MORE THAN BUSH TO RAISE THE DEBT DOUBLE THE NUMBER,
    SO DON’T TELL US THAT BUSH LEFT HIM WITH A RUIN BOX OF MONEY,
    IT SEEMS THAT OBAMA WAS SPENDING A LOT MORE, HE HAD ACCESS TO MONEY AND USED IT ALL,
    HE SURE STOP SAYING IT’S BUSH FAULT, AND HAD LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ABROAD ALSO TO HIS FRIENDS AND TO THE ARAB SPRING HE CONTRIBUTED,

  2. 52

    Ditto

    @retire05:

    We don’t dislike Obama because he is half black, we dislike Obama because he is totally red.

    Exactly. I don’t care one whit what Obama’s “real” religion is, nor what race he professes to be. What I am opposed to is his far-left ideology, his socialistic agenda and his unconstitutional abuses of power.

  3. 54

    Wordsmith

    editor

    @Ronald J. Ward:

    Real professional and classy.

    Nope. Intentionally did not attempt to hold myself to “a higher standard”. I simply decided to match and meet the same tone that YOU set in opening your cakehole and launching your opening salvo:

    If you seriously believe that Bush was treated worse than Obama, you are seriously politically ignorant, suffer from a memory dysfunction, or profoundly deranged, on every front.

    And then you feign shock and indignation when I hold a mirror up by mimicking the brand of civility you chose to gallop in here with?

    I’m still LoLing over this:

    @Wordsmith: When your response consist of something like “You must be describing your own derangement”, it doesn’t say much for your argumentative skills or an ability to argue with substance. It’s kind of an admission that the dog ate your homework or that you simply rely on elementary tactics akin to that of Redteam.

    You’re a moron.

    I’m feeding back to you what you yourself came in with. Read your first comment and where I got off on saying “You must be describing your own derangement”. I’m just using your own words and tone, buddy. So look in the mirror and apply your standards to yourself before demanding it of others.

    Because the following is dripping with BDS:

    You want to exonerate Bush of his abject failures, gross incompetence, and utter destruction of a “sound economy on solid ground”(which he himself proudly proclaimed to have all the way up to the point it bottomed out and he dumped it in Obama’s lap), whine about how people reacted to his failed performance, and then find some weak tea excuse and fake scandals to bash Obama, well, bully for you.

    And the lack of self-wherewithal and self-awareness when you write “it doesn’t say much for your argumentative skills or an ability to argue with substance. It’s kind of an admission that the dog ate your homework or that you simply rely on elementary tactics” is so laughable because you can’t even see how you are describing your own self.

    Instead of addressing the actual substance I did make in my response(s) to you (including links and vid embeds you failed to comment on), you instead focus on the easy stuff: ad hominem attacks, belittling, condescension, disrespect. You took the bait because it gives you an out from actually defending the points you came in with; and which I did do you the courtesy to address, between insults. You only chose to whine about the insults. You’re a horrible master debater. I think you lack the intellectual curiosity to actually have an honest dialogue. You only want to vent your views and not be challenged- and to do so in a manner that does not encourage debate, but mudslinging. So forgive me for playing your game and coming down to your level.

    Regardless, if you honestly think Bush was treated worse than Obama, you are a moron, you are much like the birthers, you’re overcome with your Obama Derangement Syndrome, and you really, really should get out more.

    That’s the spirit! 🙂

    So do you think Obama’s received harsher treatment from Hollywood than Bush? From mainstream media? In Obama’s first 100 days, Pew had this to say.

    I think this CBS news report might be the correct guess:

    When it comes to looking at the way the media cover individuals, Republicans and Democrats usually see things differently. In 2006, 61 percent of Republicans said the news media was harder on President George W. Bush than they had been on other presidents. Just 11 percent of Democrats saw that sort of bias. Of course, when that question was asked about the coverage of President Bill Clinton in the 1990’s, the views of partisans were reversed.

    You are a partisan. I am a partisan. We are both inclined to buy into news stories and perspectives that fit our agenda and support our beliefs/ideology. I’m honest enough with myself to see that and admit to a biased perspective even as I strive for honesty. How about you? Because based upon what you came in here with (sorry, I have not been around much these days and haven’t read much of your past comments to get a sense of who you are, politically and temperamentally), you are no better, no less partisan, than those you malign, standing on the opposite side of the political fence.

    If you think the right are treating Obama harshly, well “duh”. That’s politics and both sides engages in the full spectrum of it, from honest criticism and ideological differences to vitriolic hatred. If your argument is that my side is treating Obama far worse than your side did to Bush, well I believe it’s either “politics as usual” in the era of the internet and all the civil tone and misinformation that comes with, and both are treated at about the same level; or, my original statement, that Bush was treated much worse by the public.

    So we are clear, let’s establish which “public” we are talking about, here. Criticism from political opponents? Treatment in the press? National and world? Are you saying it’s because of right-wingers and their conspiratorial hatred of Obama that he might be as unpopular as Bush in the Arab world and amongst Muslims? Or that his approval and disapproval ratings are hovering around Bush numbers?

    Bush was savaged and pilloried- far beyond the kind of criticism he rightfully earned, in such a way that I just don’t see how anyone can still believe that there isn’t an overall left tilt to mainstream media bias.

    Tom wrote:

    I think what you seem to be overlooking is the large category of attacks on Obama that are unique to Obama and somewhat unprecedented. Obama is not Christian/He is a secret Muslim.

    I do find it disturbing if those surveys are an accurate reflection of mainstream, conservative beliefs for two reasons:

    1. Obama is not a Muslim (not in any meaningful sense that matters)- to believe otherwise is sheer ignorance and embracement of conspiratorial nonsense.

    2. As if there’s anything wrong with being a Muslim.

    You’ve been around here long enough that I know you are aware of my own tone and tolerance in regards to Muslims and to Islam. That it’s not the typical belief held by many FA conservatives here.

    But I don’t perceive this “Obama is a Muslim” trope as driven by a unique hatred of Obama because he is “black/different/foreign/anti-American” insofar as every president garners conspiracies unique unto them, and relevant to their respective backgrounds.

    Obama’s background is unique. So of course there are conspiracy theories that have sprung up, unique unto his background. Same can be said for backgrounds into past presidents and presidential contenders (Romney, being Mormon- I wonder how much more that would have developed in a Romney presidency? And from the right, as well as from the political left). There was some birtherism going on in regards to McCain, as well. Birther-pusher Donald Trump isn’t just singling out Obama- remember that he’s now entertained that nonsense at Cruz, as well.

    Meanwhile, Obama does have a background that is quite different. So I just don’t find it that alarming that conspiracy theories (inherently “out there”) would reflect that.

    Conspiracy theories are molded around each person’s unique background and history. So stuff is drummed up, speculating on Obama’s past associations and “mentors” (Wright, Ayers, Marshal, etc.), his relationship (or rather lack of) with his father, and so on. Meanwhile, you have beliefs from the other side that Bush was Cheney’s puppet, Cheney and ties to Halliburton….if Obama’s grandfather was Prescott Bush, well then there’s your Hitler ties right there!

    He is not American/He is an agent sent to destroy America. This is the tip of the iceberg,

    That tip is not unique unto Obama. People thought Bush must be controlled by the Jews; or his father as anti-American in association with the Project for the New American Century. Plenty of liberals thought Bush and Cheney were out to destroy America and worked for Big Oil and the military industrial complex and the Jewish lobby.

    and these are not fringe conspiracies. These are accusations made and propagated by mainstream Republicans and right-leaning pundits and media organizations:

    I’d have to study this further, Tom. Because I personally do not see this in my day-to-day. Nor do I see Republican politicians and leaders who are any more wild in conspiratorial beliefs than the Al Sharptons and Cynthia McKinneys (Truther) in government elected office. Remember Howard Dean as frontrunner Democratic candidate entertaining the press questioning him about whether or not Bush knew in advance about 9/11. Would it be racist if Bush had Obama’s background and skin pigmentation? When Cheney told Patrick Leahy to “Go eff yourself” on the Senate floor- sure, not the professional nor classy thing to say in a place you’d think would have some decorum; but thank God Leahy wasn’t a black senator or the charges of disrespect based upon racist attitudes would be raging.

    I do believe that Joe Wilson’s outburst was disrespectful and out of place; but it’s not because he harbors deep-seated racial animosity or latent institutionalized racist sentiments at the president getting “uppity”. It’s business as usual in Washington civility.

    Thanks, Tom. You have me on my toes. I am not so entrenched in my beliefs on this that I won’t serious weigh in any evidence/perspective/perception to the contrary, that the rhetoric of hate toward Obama today is much harsher or vitriolic than what was lobbed at George W. Bush; or that the hatred comes from a place of racial animus.

  4. 55

    Mudd

    Enjoyed your debate..As a Tea Party member since 09 I have been attacked by liberals and other wackos for just demanding the Country spend what it brings in,Period..I welcome the debates and have this for the libturds in this debate using the “Birther” smeare..Download Adobe Illustrator free trial and then download that “Representation of the true document” off Whitehouse.gov and click “Layers” then come back and tell us we are all crazy…

  5. 56

    Kraken

    Six years into the Obama Presidency and these unhinged psychopaths are still But-Bushing.

    Hypocrisy is the foundation of all leftist thought.

  6. 57

    Greg

    You can always find disrespectful people carrying offensive signs. The difference in Obama’s case is that disrespect has been far more prevalent, far more in-your-face, and has sometimes come from high placed elected officials who appear to have lost all sense of propriety and decorum. Allow me to cite Joe Wilson’s childish outburst, Jan Brewer shaking her gnarly little finger in the face of an American President, buffoon Donald Trump demanding on national television that Obama show his papers, Newt the Gingrich’s comment about Obama’s “Kenyan anti-colonial behavior,” or Mitch McConnell’s statement on national television that his most important priority was to make sure Barack Obama would be a one-term president. The behavior of these people made me cringe. It’s open disrespect, not disagreement, right out there for the entire world to see.

  7. 59

    Bill Burris

    @Greg: You are disillusion, and that is being charitable. Obama is treated no worse than any other President and far more charitable than his record warrants. Bush was and is the object of a competition to see who could be the most vile, the most personally insulting and the most disrespectful.

    The proof is the outrage over the use of the Joke face on Obama; this was one of the MANY accusations of racism derived of political criticism. Yet it was shown the left used THE EXACT SAME IMAGE to depict Bush. Was that racist, unfair or disrespectful?

    In the absence of actual outrage, the left has had to invent it, creating fantastic stories of violence, racism and radicalism of the Tea Parties. If it was actually an issue, the left would not feel it necessary to lie about it.

    Yes, Joe Wilson’s outburst was disrespectful. However, Obama was in the actual process of disrespecting Congress and the American people because he WAS lying. Wilson knew Obama was lying about illegal immigrants having access to Obamacare because he KNEW there was no means to prevent it in the law. Further, as it turned out, Obama was also lying about bringing costs down, better access to health care and, of course, keeping your doctor or your insurance.

    So, who disrespects whom; the person ignoring truth and lying to the American people or the man who calls him out on it before Congress? Further, is Harry Reid being disrespectful when he lies on the Senate floor?

    Brewer has to look out for her constituents and Obama disrespects THEM by refusing to enforce immigration laws which puts the Arizona people on the southern border in danger. The Office of the President deserves respect, which Obama himself ignores as he violates laws he is supposed to uphold, uses the power of the government against political opponents and abuses the economy, causing discomfort, pain and suffering by the American people.

    I suppose Ambassador Stevens and the men that were protecting him deserve some respect; at least more than to lie about how and why they died.

    Obama is not treated any worse than he deserves and he has brought every bit of it upon his own head. He is the worst Chief Executive this nation has ever had to suffer under and he deserves to be run out of office in disgrace. He does not respect me, so why should I respect him?

  8. 60

    retire05

    @Greg:

    I suppose I prefer to be on the side where some thought is actually going on.

    Really? I thought you are a progressive and only subscribes to the cultural Marxism indoctrination you long ago accepted as reality?

    Left wingers don’t think; they emote.

  9. 61

    retire05

    @Greg:

    Allow me to cite Joe Wilson’s childish outburst,

    Joe Wilson was right; Obama does lie.

    Jan Brewer shaking her gnarly little finger in the face of an American President,

    You mean like how Bill Clinton shook his gnarly little finger at the whole nation when he said “I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski”?

    buffoon Donald Trump demanding on national television that Obama show his papers,

    As Obama should have since he sought the highest office in the land. How many state Democrat Party chairman do you think actually saw Obama’s birth certificate prior to signing him off to be their candidate?

    Newt the Gingrich’s comment about Obama’s “Kenyan anti-colonial behavior,”

    As clearly exhibited by Obama’s actions and attitude toward both Great Britain and Israel.

    or Mitch McConnell’s statement on national television that his most important priority was to make sure Barack Obama would be a one-term president.

    And your point is? Do you think the Democrats most important priority was making George W. Bush a one term president? If it was not, why did George Soros spend so much of his own money toward that end?

  10. 62

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Greg
    the critics where a lot worse on GEORGE BUSH,
    IF I START TO NAME IT I NEED MORE PAGES HERE THAN I CAN COUNT,
    and more virulent,
    the worse of it is it was in war time, where his attention was
    making him unable to fustigate the DEMOCRATS,
    they wouldn’t shut up on accusations, instead of be with him in this hard time, and the DEMOCRATS WHERE FOR THAT WAR,
    they didn’T KNOW HE WAS GOING TO START IT, but they instigated it openly,

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