I want you to listen again to this rant, but this time more carefully

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RamirezWhatDifference

You’ve heard this, of course. Now hear it again. All of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3XTOjZPfg

The legacy line out of this tantrum clearly is

“WHAT DIFFERENCE, AT THIS POINT, DOES IT MAKE?”

But you’ve been bamboozled.

Let’s look at the fuller statement:

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?

(You’ll have to fill in the hysterics)

But then here comes the part no one paid attention to:

It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator.

Huh? It is?

That was the point of the hearings.

On the one hand Clinton said that it didn’t matter what caused it but then asserts that it’s necessary to learn what caused it. Then she insists that we need to keep it from ever happening again but we can’t keep it from happening again if we don’t know what caused it. Saying “what difference…does it make?” about the cause is a pure dismissal of Clinton’s involvement (or lack of involvement) in the attack and dismisses the event itself. Then she hits the “reset” button immediately and seizes control of the exchange by asserting that we need to determine the cause of the event that she just dismissed.

This is classic Clintonism- take your query, stop it, seize it, take control of it and turn it around and escape the noose of responsibility.

Obama is a good politician. He is a grand liar but he is a good politician. He has placed women and persons of color in the most critical positions for a reason. Attack one and you are accused of misogyny. Attack the other and you are a racist.

On the other hand, Obama’s top advisors- mostly out of direct view- are mostly white men.

I posted this because I want you to pay close attention to what Hillary says and how she says it so, you know, you’re not bamboozled again. It’s going to be very important. We don’t need another four years of liberal disaster.

DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education. DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed. Except for liberals being foolish.

176 Responses to “I want you to listen again to this rant, but this time more carefully”

  1. 152

    Richard Wheeler

    @retire05: There are many things I don’t know.
    Stock market–legalized gambling. You say place stops–stop loss or stop limit? At what dollar amount or % below current price do I place the orders? Do I adjust stop if stock moves up? Do I want any GTC limit sell orders placed?Any GTC sell/stop OCO orders?
    You say watch gold?? Is there a price at which you would buy in?Do you like ETFs?

    RT I think a portfolio of quality high yield stocks is prudent.Track record of year over year earnings and dividend increases a must.

  2. 154

    ilovebeeswarzone

    retire05
    PRINTING MONEY? IS IN WHAT BROKE THE GREECE MARKET NOT SO LONG AGO?
    i have seen warning many times, that printing money might end up in
    yes what retire05 mentioned, the devaluation of paper money,
    retire05
    and i also read just lately that a bank here in AMERICA refuse to take paper money,
    from a customer of the bank, {if i remember well} it was said that bank had co afiliation
    with CHINA BANK OR BANKING,
    could it be a relation to it?
    considering the multiple TRILLIONS DEBT,THAT WE ARE ON A SLIDE DOWN SLOPE, ENDANGERING OUR PAPER MONEY,
    which they keep printing,
    and we know a credit card take a extra fee, so more expansive than paper money which we do not think of,
    SO,are we to expect surprise one day to have our paper money refuse anywhere or somewhere,and it would be the day we only carry that paper money?

  3. 155

    Ronald J. Ward

    @Redteam:

    @Ronald J. Ward: RJW, now you’re trying your stand up routine. In 94 you enumerate all those attacks and say who did them all(identified by the Bush Admin) and then in 131, you say you didn’t see that. You wrote it, in 94. You’ve run a wheel off there, spokey.

    Redteam, you are an abject liar. Read my post as I copied and pasted it in its entirety. I listed 10 examples of the Bush era (although I think there was 13). I only identified the attacker(s) in 1 out of 10 (although from the mathematical skills you’ve demonstrated perhaps you calculate that as 100%).

    There seems to be a consistent tactic of you and/or Retire05 of making statements and then denying saying them when they’re in black and white right before your eyes. From an argumentative perspective, you only validate how fraudulent you are. Otherwise, please explain why Benghazi is any different than all of the attacks I mentioned.

    @Redteam:

    How about the truth Redteam? Where were you and the bagging ilk when gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attacked the U.S. Consulate in Calcutta, India on 1/22/03 killing 5 people? How about the 12 dead and 15 injured at the Karachi, Pakistan U.S. Consulate on 6/14/02 or the bombing of U.S. diplomatic offices in Denpasar, Indonesia on 10/12/02 or maybe the 2 deaths in Islamabad, Pakistan on 2/28/03 when gunmen opened fire on the U.S.Embassy? On 4/12/03, 36 people died in the U.S, diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and where was the outcry? On 7/30/04 2 people were slain at a U.S. Embassy compound in Tashkent, Uzbekistan and baggers sat silently on their hands, just as they did on 12/6/04 when 9 people were killed at the Jeddah, Saudi Arabia U.S. Consulate, just as they did when armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” killed 4 and wounded 13 when they stormed the U.S. Emabassy in Damascus, Syria on 9/12/06.

    Where were you hypocrites on 3/2/06 when the U.S. Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan when 4 people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy, a known target of his attackers, were killed? How about Athens, Greece on 1/12/07 or Istanbul, Turkey on 7/9/08 or Sana’a, Yemen on 9/17/08?

    Where was the outrage? The deaths are quite real. The GOP invented scandal is a nothingburger. You are a bobbing head lapdog and dishonest political hack. And you don’t even do that well.

  4. 156

    retire05

    @Ronald J. Ward:

    There seems to be a consistent tactic of you and/or Retire05 of making statements and then denying saying them when they’re in black and white right before your eyes.

    This has got to be the funniest thing you have ever written, considering how you twist and distort the words of others. Thanks for the chuckle. You can still provide some comic relief.

  5. 157

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Ronald j. Ward
    you got to be a coward to bring PRESIDENT BUSH IN THAT SUBJECT,
    after all those years of blaming BUSH, WHICH IS HOW HE WAS ELECTED ON, FOR ALL THE FAILURE OF THIS LEADER,
    it doesn’t work anymore,
    don’t you tink that OBAMA SHOULD START TO STAND ON HIS OWN TWO FEET NOW AT THE END OF HIS TERM, AND NOT HAVING HIS LOYALS REPEAT THE MANTRA ,
    IT’S BUSH ‘S FAULT, ON ALL THE FAILURES AFTER FAILURE,
    is in it kind of late for it?

  6. 158

    Ronald J. Ward

    @retire05: When you say in one comment that you advocate $2 an hour and then deny it in another, that’s not me “twisting and distorting” words. When you make statements like “Carter entered office, the unemployment rate was 6.4%. When he left office, it was 8.6%” and then stand by that after proven wrong, that’s not me “twisting and distorting words”. When you argue that the ER is a viable alternative to PPACA and then deny you ever said that, that’s not me “twisting and distorting” your words.

    When Redteam claims that I identified “all those attacks and say who did them all” when it’s in black and write that I did not, that’s not me “twisting and distorting” and distorting words.

    The reality is that your arguments crumble under scrutiny so you and your cohorts go into denial or do all you can to change the argument (“uh, we can’t answer that until you tell us what kind of computer you” or something similarly stupid).

    How precisely does Benghazi differ than the attacks I mentioned?

    Bees, your argument is consistently specious. Cover your ears of the Bush era and ignore the 13 attacks and focus squarely on Benghazi? I’m asking what’s specifically different.

    In a little over half a decade, there have been 44 attacks on American diplomatic facilities resulting in numerous deaths. If a Republican was in the WH and Hillary wasn’t a strong possibility for the nomination, this would have been just another unfortunate incident. You know this, Retire05 knows this, Redteam knows this, and Dr John (wherever he is) knows this.

    What precisely is different in the 44 other attacks and the Benghazi incident?

  7. 159

    retire05

    @Ronald J. Ward:

    When you say in one comment that you advocate $2 an hour and then deny it in another, that’s not me “twisting and distorting” words.

    Lie. You twisted my words to them come out that way. Quote me precisely.

    When you make statements like “Carter entered office, the unemployment rate was 6.4%. When he left office, it was 8.6%” and then stand by that after proven wrong, that’s not me “twisting and distorting words”.

    Lie. Show where I stood by that after proven wrong. Quote me precisely.

    When you argue that the ER is a viable alternative to PPACA and then deny you ever said that, that’s not me “twisting and distorting” your words.

    Another lie. Quote me precisely.

    Then you go on to address Bees and Redteam. I suggest you post comments to them directly and stop trying to lump everyone together as you liberals are wont to do.

    Now, quote me precisely if you want to disagree with what I say and stop being so dishonest about what others say.

  8. 160

    drjohn

    @Ronald J. Ward:

    Bush did not leave them hanging for 20 hours.

    Bush did not send people into combat areas without proper cover. Most of those you list as killed were locals.

    We know where Bush was when they happened.

    Foy was a facilities maintenance officer, not an Ambassador.

    Those were unfortunate events but they were unlike Benghazi.

    Jeddah:

    She said no Americans had been killed and a “handful of other employees” had been taken to hospital. Security sources told Reuters the dead were Arabs and Asians.

    Survivors weren’t kept from testifying in any of these.

    Bush didn’t blame a video and trump up charges against a video maker and stick him in jail for a year.

    So please.

  9. 161

    retire05

    @drjohn:

    Since RJW wants to go back in history, perhaps he can tell us how Bubba Clinton reacted to the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen. Or the other bombings that happened during Clinton’s administration? Outside of the Blind Sheikh, who was brought to justice for any of the bombings during Clinton?

  10. 163

    retire05

    @DrJohn:

    So where was Obama during the attack? I think I missed what you said.

    Where was Obama during the Benghazi attack? No one in the administration has ever said for certain where he was. It was reported that he went to bed at 9:00 p.m. EST that night and did not learn of Ambassador Stevens death until the next morning. But remember, Obama needed his rest to travel to Las Vegas on September 12th. What are a few dead Americans when it comes to millions of $$ in campaign money?

  11. 164

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Ronald J. Ward
    i resent the way you go far in past time to excuse what is done in theses years of OBAMA,
    he now has the power and he now is responsible for his failures at the same time,
    YOU HAVE THE SAME LIBERAL BAD HABIT TO COVER HIM by using another time,
    another person, anothe event,
    AND THAT’S YOUR PROBLEM NOT OURS HERE,
    and what happened IN Benghasi is unique in his genre,it never happened before and
    to cover an election on a sentence saying : BINLADEN IS DEAD AND THE ALQAEDA IS ON THE RUN, NEVER BEFORE SAID BY PREVIOUS LEADERS, and never before been so wrongly incorect, like a lie which he knew to be wrong,
    but to win his election he felt compelled to say it,
    while AMERICANS WHERE BEGGING FOR HELP,
    WHCH NEVER CAME FOR THE FIRST TIME,
    MEN WHERE LEFT BEHIND,AND DIED BRUTALY, SO HE COULD WIN HIS ELECTION AGAIN IN SHAKY TERMS, YOU DON’T CALL A CLEAR WIN,
    the ORDER OF THE DAY IS WHAT HAPPENED ON TODAY’S EVENT, AND NO ONE ELSE IS RESPONSIBLE THAN THE ONES of today’s event, OBAMA AND HILARY,
    AND TODAY MEAN ON HIS TURF, AND HER NON ACTIONS,
    TO HELP ON DEMAND THE DIPLOMATS RIGHTFULLY SUSPICION,ASKING 7 TIMES FOR HELP IS SURELY FOR A GOOD REASON, AND DENIED EACH TIME,
    DEMAND A CLEAR DISMISS DOWN OF FUTURE WISH TO GAIN THE MOST HIGHEST SEAT THIS NATION HAS TO GRANT, DESERVING A PERSON OF THE HIGHEST INTEGRITY AND ABILITY AND MOSTLY THE TOTAL LOVE OF AMERICA,
    AS A PRIORITY OVER ANY COUNTRIES OF THE GLOBE,
    AND AS LONG AS THE NOMINATED IS SERVING THE MOST
    TOLERANT AND GOODWILL PEOPLE OF THE WORLD,
    PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN SINCE THE FRAMERS WROTE THE TRUE LAWS OF THE LAND, AND THE ONLY ONES,

  12. 165

    Redteam

    @Ronald J. Ward:

    There seems to be a consistent tactic of you and/or Retire05 of making statements and then denying saying them

    If Retire05 and I have occasionally spoken in error, it is likely just from the poor lying company we’re keeping here. It kinda surprises me that you even claim to know the truth. Get your panties straightened out, spokey.

  13. 166

    Redteam

    @retire05:

    Then you go on to address Bees and Redteam. I suggest you post comments to them directly and stop trying to lump everyone together as you liberals are wont to do.

    RJW is so wrong so often he’s not worth my time trying to ‘prove’ anything to him. I can’t prove he’s stupid, he’s already done that and unfortunately that is one condition that can’t be fixed. Once every two or three weeks he finds some little something that I or someone said mistakenly and acts as if he hit the Powerball. RJW is just about one niche above Joe.

  14. 167

    Ronald J. Ward

    Retire05, I’ll likely contain my responses to each in 1 comment. If you have problems with that, you’re quite welcomed to ignore them.

    As for your denial of what’s actually in black and white, we’ve been through that, I’ve copied and pasted and presented them to you, and you still denied them. It’s like the birther/Perry issue where I quoted him as saying “it’s a good thing to keep alive”. You pretty much called me a liar, invalidated my argument, and went into your rodeo clown act because he really said “it’s a good issue to keep alive”. And this was after you had me link it as you didn’t know Perry made such a statement. You are a fraud, a troll and your function is no more than to be a contrarian, to distract. It’s like by your definition, Dr John and I are arguing a political issue, John calls me a pedophile, and that means he won the debate. It was funny stuff for a while but has become old, like a worn out joke told over and over again. I really have no time for such stupidity. So no, I’ll not link or research anything for you and to be honest, I doubt that I’ll respond to you again although I’m quite sure your and Redteam will continue your trolling maneuvers to distract from the threads shortcomings.

    Bees, “i resent the way you go far in past time to excuse what is done in theses years of OBAMA”‘.
    I’m not sure how else to respond other than to say I really and truly don’t care.

    DJ, that’s a rather specious argument wouldn’t you say. I suspect Bush was in the states, as was Obama. How precisely could Obama have prevented the attacks? Your attempt to paint the incidents differently under Bush is pretty watered down. Perhaps you can be more specific. Your attempt to claim that the consulate was less secured under Obama is simply parroting Hannity and Krauthammer, both of which have been proven wrong.

    It’s rather telling that you can’t answer the question without asking questions.

    The reality is that Romney jumped on the attacks instantly for political gain. The right has been on a which hunt every since hoping to pin a fake scandal on Clinton.

  15. 168

    retire05

    @Ronald J. Ward:

    As for your denial of what’s actually in black and white, we’ve been through that, I’ve copied and pasted and presented them to you, and you still denied them. It’s like the birther/Perry issue where I quoted saying “it’s a good thing to keep alive”. You pretty much called me a liar, invalidated my argument, and went into your rodeo clown act because he really said “it’s a good issue to keep alive”.

    You also resorted to a sound bite only for Rick Perry’s comment. And what do you have against rodeo clowns? Seems you hold bigotry against rodeo clowns. News flash, RJW. You are half the man of the puniest rodeo clown and wouldn’t last 5 minutes doing their job before you were whining and crying for your mommy.

    And this was after you had me link it as you didn’t know Perry made such a statement. You are a fraud, a troll and your function is no more than to be a contrarian, to distract. It’s like by your definition, Dr John and I are arguing a political issue, John calls me a pedophile, and that means he won the debate. So no, I’ll not link or research anything for you and to be honest, I doubt that I’ll respond to you again although I’m quite sure your and Redteam will continue your trolling maneuvers to distract from the threads shortcomings.

    You not responding to me or Redteam? That would be an absolute miracle. If that is the case, all I can say is “Yes, there is a Santa Clause.”

    Blah, blah, blah…………………all you have to do is cut and paste my quotes and then cut and paste yours for comparison. Get some 1st grader to teach you how to cut and paste if you don’t know how. But that’s risky because it would only show how you convolute what I actually said and you don’t have that kind of cajones.

    I’ll likely contain my responses to each in 1 comment. If you have problems with that, you’re quite welcomed to ignore them.

    By God, RJW, I think you’ve finally had an intelligent thought. You should be ignored, by everyone. Perhaps you’ll slink back over to HuffingtonPost then.

  16. 169

    Ronald J. Ward

    @retire05: Oh, the rodeo clown thing. I refer to trolls like you as a rodeo clown because you serve a similar purpose. In an actual rodeo, a rodeo clown will enter the arena to distract the bull in order to allow the thrown rider to duck under the fence to safety. Likewise, Dr John or whoever writes a screed that’s easily proven false and the you or Redteam et al enters with your distractions and John or the writer ducks for cover, escaping facing their exposed myth while the rodeo clowns invent new arguments out of thin air and then claim victory to your fabricated arguments.

  17. 170

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Ronald J.Ward
    PLEASE SPARE US THE BLAMES YOU ATRIBUTE TO THE RIGHT,
    THEY WHERE RIGHT AGAIN AND AGAIN,
    AND YOU SPARE US OF THE SCANDALS OF CLINTON AND HIS DENYAL OF IT ALL,
    AGAIN HE AND HILARY ARE HAS BEEN, IN THEIR PAST,
    BUT WE NEED A COMING A NEW PRESIDENT YOUNG ENOUGH TO HAVE
    THE ENERGY TO REPAIR THE WRONG MADE ON ALL SIDES OF THE STATES,
    AND ON ALL SIDES OF THE GOVERNMENT, WHERE SO MUCH IS TO BE DONE ALSO,
    AND THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE THEM ALL, SMART AND LOVE THEIR AMERICA AS A MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THEIR LIVES, THEY ARE READY AND ABLE TO LEAD HUMBLY SERVING THE PEOPLE WHICH THEY HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR ALL WALK OF SOCIETY,
    REGARDLESS OF COLOR OR CREED OR AGE OR WEALTH, THEY ARE LOOKING AT A FUTURE RENEWED BY HAVING RECLAIMED IT’S AMERICA FOR ALL, THEY ARE READY TO TAKE THE SEAT WITH REVERENCE AND CREATE THE CLIMATE AGAIN WHERE PEOPLE FEEL TO WORK AND GAIN SUCCESS AND WEALTH WHICH IS NOW DENIED, FOR REPLACING IT WITH THE SOCIALIST
    MONSTER OF THE FOREVER POOR SOCIETY BECOMING CRUSH BY THE SYSTEM IMPOSE OR PENALYSE BY RUINING THE ONES WHO RESIST WITH PRIDE OF THEIR YOUTH WHERE THEY LEARN THE AMERICAN WAY IS OF NOBLE SOURCES, AND STAND TALL AMONG THE OTHER ,
    INDOCTRINATED TO OBEY THE LEADER UNFIT TO LEAD AND SOON TO BRING THEM ALL IN THE DESTRUCTIVE LAND THEY DREAM ABOUT, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE PEOPLE CRAWLING IN FRONT OF THEM, AS SNAKES WITH THEIR HEAD CUT OFF,
    YES THE LEADER IS OKAY WITH THAT, BECAUSE HE CAN RULE ON THE CREATURES HE MOLDED TO HIS IMAGE,
    BUT THE PROUD PATRIOTS WON’T LET AMERICA FALL
    TO A SUCH LEADERSHIP,

  18. 171

    Redteam

    @Ronald J. Ward: RJW, you are the epitome of the Brain atrophied Liberal. No, it’s not a conspiracy, all those guys from outer space are not here to capture you and take you back. All those bugs crawling around inside your head are looking for some brain matter to enter, unfortunately, in your case they are looking in the wrong cavity. When you want to get an amen chorus for your hymn, you need to start singing in YOUR church. Don’t come to a conservative web site and expect a lot of sympathy for your BAL situation. Go back to HuffPo where the other BAL will sympathize with you.

  19. 172

    retire05

    @Redteam:

    Oh, the rodeo clown thing. I refer to trolls like you as a rodeo clown because you serve a similar purpose. In an actual rodeo, a rodeo clown will enter the arena to distract the bull in order to allow the thrown rider to duck under the fence to safety

    I guess this shows just how much RJW knows about the art of rodeo clowning, i.e. NOTHING. Duck under a fence? Really? As if RJW ever attended a rodeo. Why would he? He’s a BAL liberal who would not want to hob-nob with the lower classes such as rodeo riders and the people who enjoy rodeos. That would be beneath him.

    Boy, what I would give to have RJW attend a rodeo with me and let him pop off to a couple of the cowboys I know. He’d go home a dentist’s dream.

  20. 173

    Ronald J. Ward

    @retire05: An excellent distraction Retire05, “Boy, what I would give to have RJW attend a rodeo with me and let him pop off to a couple of the cowboys I know. He’d go home a dentist’s dream.”

    I give up, what would you give to witness such violence? And again, why are you so angry and why do you wish such hardships on your fellow man simply because he disagrees with you? I don’t wish harm on you. Wait, let me guess, you never said “Boy, what I would give to have RJW attend a rodeo with me and let him pop off to a couple of the cowboys I know. He’d go home a dentist’s dream”, I just made that up, right?

    By the way, what precisely is the deference in the long history of attacks on U.S. Embassies and that of Benghazi?

  21. 176

    ilovebeeswarzone

    HE WANT TO FIX INEQUALITY>
    HITLER TRY THAT AND MANY WHERE KILLED BECAUSE OF IT,
    they own all with their fixing, and you have to do everything he ask of you,
    no freedom of choice, ever, and if you refuse to obey, sorry for you who elected him,

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