Once Again, the Left Blows an Opportunity to End the Debate on Climate Change (Reader Post)

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Maybe I’ve been going about this all wrong. For the last few years I’ve been having fun antagonizing leftists by presenting them with inconvenient truths that expose their “science” for the religious cult that it actually is. Naturally, nobody has been able to answer any of these because their unscientific belief systems don’t support scientific methodology. Aside from the fun of annoying my lefty pals, the conversations haven’t been all that constructive. But maybe it can be.

I get in my Inbox newsletters from The Nation, basically the leftist equivalent to National Review. Although I never agree with their messages, at least they are well articulated (spend a few minutes at Kos or Huffington and you’ll see what I mean) opposing views and they don’t bother with the pretense of objectivity that so many MSM leftists use. So I got a good laugh a few weeks back when I saw this teaser for one of the articles:

“The United States is responsible for the vast majority of carbon emissions in the atmosphere which have created the kind of changes in the climate that have led to massive typhoons in the Philippines for the last three years in a row. For that, it owes the country more than a paltry $20 million for cleanup efforts”

Hopefully you got as good a laugh out of that statement as I did! I was curious and had to click the link that naturally was spectacularly devoid of any kind of supporting data or any analysis to back up that initial statement. That opening teaser is wrong on so many levels that I could probably drop an easy 2,000 words dissecting it, but I just don’t have the time or energy for that. But the quote did give me a good idea. In all of my debates with Global Warm Mongers I’ve been asking them to explain what they want to accomplish in the future based on past data. What If I tweaked my reasoning and instead of predicting the future based on models that may or may not work why no instead fix the past based on data that is fixed and pretty much incontrovertible? Here is my line of thought as to how the typhoons could make the case for what the Warm Mongers hope to accomplish:

We had Z number of typhoons over a certain period.

A preferred number would be typhoons.

Since typhoons are cause by climate change, we need to reduce/modify the change by X rate/amount to get back to a state that produces Y number of typhoons.

If Climate Change is fueled by carbon emissions we can now calculate the W units of carbon output that cause Xamount of change.

With the W amounts of carbon emission established, we can now state how much it needs to be reduced to the level ofV carbon emissions

With carbon emissions strictly limited to level V, we can apportion the reductions to the nations across the world.

With the carbon rationing now in place, we can begin estimating the costs for each individual country and enact policy accordingly.

From there our government can decide which companies need to be shut down, and how to tax the survivors. This can be enacted with a simple “Carbon Tax” on energy loved by the left. Because as everyone knows, massive regressive taxes to redistribute wealth from the world’s poorest people to overeducated bureaucrats as the means to control the weather is proven science!

Yes, we know that this isn’t going to happen. No, wait, it actually did. Bjorn Lomborg said that the “EU plans to waste $7 trillion on climate policies that will make no noticeable difference”. For those of you unfamiliar, Lomborg is the author of “The Skeptical Environmentalist”. Even though Lomborg still very much believes that human activity has contributed to variables in our weather, he determined that most of the studies behind the hysteria are based on flawed data, and that scarce resources are better spent otherwise. Don’t get too excited – Lomborg proposes using the money for other leftist causes, but he is vilified by the left for destroying their beliefs with those eternal enemies of leftists thought, math and data.

This same line of thought applies to demolishing other leftist philosophies. Whenever a discussion on health care starts, leftists throw out vague goals like “bending the cost curve down” or “everyone will be insured”. I’ve already pointed out the stupidity over assuming that having insurance equates receiving treatment, and I was also pointing out that Obamacare is the left’s version of “The Underpants Gnomes” before a few other conservative bloggers hijacked my “Underpants Gnomes” idea this week. But ask a leftist how we get from the passage of Obamacare to that hopey changey paradise where every person in America gets timely, state of the art medical treatment they get quiet about detail or specifics of their plan.

Or start talking about our national debt, and every good lefty will offer platitudes like “balanced approach” and “means tested” suggestions for “containing costs”. Ask for details about their plan and you get one of three responses:

1) Silence

2) Anger and changing the subject

3) A link to some “study” that is backed by bad data or horribly flawed theory that ignores the basic principles of Economics and/or Accounting.

Whenever my lefty pals go for option three I have a great time deflating them by pressing them on the problems with their theory or data and press them as to how they validated their numbers, which every single time forces them to circle back to answers 1 or 2. I’ve been sparring with my lefty pals for years, and this one has held true every single time without fail. And yes, I know that Conservatives haven’t exactly won this argument either, but considering that a plan that gets a balanced budget around 2040 is considered too extreme and gets attack ads depicting Paul Ryan as pushing Grandma off of a cliff that tells us volumes about how serious the left is on focusing on solutions as opposed to demagoguing the issues.

I’m willing to discuss any of these issues, but if you want to call for radical social engineering like Obamacare, or massive carbon taxes get all of your facts together and show me that you’ve looked at all of the sides of what you’re proposing – like how the your policies are destroying our prairies and killing rare birds.

Cross posted from Brother Bob’s Blog. Follow Brother Bob on Twitter @Brother_Bob.

Blogging by the credo of "Making the world a more offensive place, one blog post at a time", Brother Bob started writing posts around the beginning of the Obama presidency over at Brother Bob's Blog. A born-again Existentialist and self-professed libertarian with conservative tendencies, he has ironically chosen to live in the Washington, DC area - deep behind enemy lines. He has always loved history, and spent eight years volunteering as a tour guide on weekends, giving over 200 tours to roughly 2,500 mostly foreign guests. His tours were highlighted by stories generally not found in the history books or most other tours, such as the importance of the Battle if Antietam, the origins or Arlington Cemetery, and dispelling the myths of FDR's New Deal. Although his favorite subject to blog about is Economics, as seen in his Economics for Politicians series, his posts try to address angles that other conservative writers and the mainstream media (naturally!) miss. "There's no point in putting up a post on a subject that someone smarter than me has already written". He believes in the "Happy Warrior" approach, and tries to inject humor in his posts, sometimes successfully. Two such examples are his posts comparing the modern left to the horrible Star Wars prequels, and analyzing the laments of a DC woman in search of a feminist boyfriend. Brother Bob lives with his very patient wife known as Sister Babe, and their fantastic son. Little Bob. Little Bob is also the reason that being a tour guide came to an end, as spending Saturdays raising a son takes priority over giving lectures to foreign visitors on the folly of Keynesian economics. BB is also grateful for the opportunity to take his place among the outstanding writers at Flopping Aces, appreciates every person who takes the time to read his posts, and especially those who join him in the conversation in the comments.

8 Responses to “Once Again, the Left Blows an Opportunity to End the Debate on Climate Change (Reader Post)”

  1. 1

    Jim Hlavac

    From what I can discern from my lefty friends about their goal in stopping “global climate warming change” is that they wish to have San Diego’s weather without the earthquakes, but incessantly frozen arctic and growing glaciers — and too they wish the four seasons, yet without enough snow to hinder a trip to Starbucks. They want sunny weather for the solar panels, and they wish light but steady rains for the organic crops. In short, they sort of wish an acid trip.

  2. 4

    Ditto

    In the continual fear tactics, Greenpeace creates a holiday video to make children cry.

    “Santa” Warns In Greenpeace Video Christmas Will Be Canceled Due To Global Warming

    WASHINGTON (CBSDC) — Greenpeace is warning children the world over Santa Claus might not be bringing gifts to them because of global warming.

    A “Save the Arctic” video released by the environmental group shows a sullen and dirty Santa – played by Jim Carter of “Downton Abbey” — in a dark, concrete room with water dripping from the ceiling.

    “Dear children, I regrettably bring bad tidings. For some time now, melting ice here in the North Pole has made our operations and our day-to-day life intolerable and impossible and there may be no alternative but to cancel Christmas,” Santa warned in the Greenpeace video.

    Santa claims he has written world leaders, including Presidents Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin, but to no avail.

    “Sadly my letters have been met with indifference,” Santa says, as lights begin to flicker in the room like a horror movie. “Needless to say these individuals are now at the top of my naughty list.”

    Unfortunately, their false “santa” hasn’t looked at current north pole conditions:

    http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/ARCHIVE/20131207.jpg

    For the month as a whole, ice grew at near average rates throughout November at 74,800 square kilometers (28,900 square miles) per day compared to the 1981 to 2010 average of 70,500 square kilometers (27,200 square miles) per day. This was despite a period of slow ice growth during the first part of the month. At the end of the month, extent was 580,000 square kilometers (224,000 square miles) lower than average and 420,000 million square kilometers (162,000 square miles) above the same time last year.

    2013 Artic sea ice is up 60% from last year

    An ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.

    “The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year…more than 20 yachts that had planned to sail it have been left ice-bound and a cruise ship attempting the route was forced to turn back,” according to a September report from dailymail.co.uk

    Arctic sea ice averaged 2.35 million square miles in August 2013, as compared to the low point of 1.32 million square miles recorded on Sept. 16, 2012, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. A chart published Sept. 8 by NSIDC shows the dramatic rise this year, while they did note that the growth in ice was still below the 30-year average.

    Meanwhile, South Pole Ice has been steadily on the increase: Which means that Green Peace’s lying Santa impersonator goes on the “Naughty list”

  3. 5

    Mully

    A couple of years ago I was sitting in my office with a fellow employee who had stopped by for lunch. He was a younger person, in the more impressionable years that most of us have. He was going on about global warming and his concern for it.
    Just for fun I asked if he had ever seen the TV show Ice Road Truckers. He said no, so I explained the program to him. His reaction was one of disbelief. He simply could not understand how truckers could drive over ice because global warming was supposed to melt all the ice and therefore what I was saying was impossible. The idea of 60 to 100 thousand pound trucks driving over ice really messed with his mind. I mentioned the network it was on and to give it a viewing sometime.

  4. 6

    Nanny G

    BroBob,
    Your questions about ideal typhoon numbers reminds me of my early conversations with some (before the hacking exposed the lies) believers about what ideal temperatures they thought the earth should have.
    @Jim Hlavac:
    Your answer reminds me of their answers.
    They wanted temperate zone climate for all the earth.
    Even ”Mediterranean Climate” (only found in South France, Israel and So Cal) for much more of the planet.
    They wanted the deserts of Africa turned into breadbaskets as well as the tundra of Siberia able to grow food crops.
    I cannot image the solution, except that, in the Bible, before the Flood of Noah’s day, the entire earth was swaddled with thick clouds.
    There was a watering mist every morning but no rain.
    Apparently anything grew anywhere and people didn’t even need clothes!
    Can you think of a solution that would bring us all into that ideal climate outside of re-establishing God’s Kingdom for all the planet?
    He CAN control the weather!

  5. 7

    Ditto

    Snow closes roads in Israel, is a source of wonder in Egypt

    CAIRO — Snow coated domes and minarets Friday as a record Middle East storm compounded the suffering of Syrian refugees, sent the Israeli army scrambling to dig out stranded motorists and gave Egyptians a rare glimpse of snow in their capital.

    Nearly three feet of snow closed roads in and out of Jerusalem, which is set in high hills, and thousands in and around the city were left without power. Israeli soldiers and police rescued hundreds trapped in their cars by snow and ice. In the West Bank, the branches of olive trees groaned under the weight of snow.

    In Cairo, where local news reports said the last recorded snowfall was more than 100 years ago, children in outlying districts capered in white-covered streets, and adults marveled at the sight, tweeting pictures of snow-dusted parks and squares. In other parts of the city, rain and hail rocketed down.

  6. 8

    Ditto

    More bad news for the “Human created climate change” believers: Study: Earth was warmer in Roman, Medieval times

    The study, by scientist Leif Kullman, analyzed 455 “radiocarbon-dated mega-fossils” in the Scandes mountains and found that tree lines for different species of trees were higher during the Roman and Medieval times than they are today. Not only that, but the temperatures were higher as well. (snip)

    …Kullman also wrote that “summer temperatures during the early Holocene thermal optimum may have been 2.3°C higher than present.” The “Holocene thermal optimum was a warm period that occurred between 9,000 and 5,000 years ago. This warm period was followed by a gradual cooling period.”

    According to Kullman, the temperature spikes were during the Roman and Medieval warming periods “were succeeded by a distinct tree line/temperature dip, broadly corresponding to the Little Ice Age.”

    For many years now, there was an alleged scientific consensus that the Earth was warming due to humans releasing greenhouse gases into the air — primarily through burning fossil fuels. However, temperatures stopped rising after 1998, leaving scientists scrambling to find an explanation to the hiatus in warming. (snip)

    …The Kullman study points to mounting evidence that climate is largely out of human control, as humans were not burning large amounts fossil fuels during Roman and Medieval times.

    Some scientists have pointed to solar activity as the predictor of where global temperatures are headed. Researchers have pointed to falling sunspot activity as evidence that the planet will cool off in the coming decades.

    “By looking back at certain isotopes in ice cores, [Professor Mike Lockwood of Reading University] has been able to determine how active the sun has been over thousands of years,” the BBC reports. “Following analysis of the data, Professor Lockwood believes solar activity is now falling more rapidly than at any time in the last 10,000 years.”

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