“Taxpayers Are The Fools… Working Is Stupid”

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Welcome to Obama’s America:

“…To all you workers out there preaching morality about those of us who live on welfare… can you really blame us? I get to sit around all day, visit my friends, smoke weed.. and we are still gonna get paid, on time every month…”

The above is a quote from Lucy, a 32 year old female whose parents were on welfare and now she is on welfare and loves it. She intends to stay this way and pass it on to her kids.

It’s ironic isn’t it? She receives $1,250 a month from the “fools” who actually earn a living and is actually taking home more than the fast food working making a little under 9 bucks an hour minimum wage. She sits on her ass all day while the other works their ass off.

Sad….

This is the welfare state and will lead us to our demise sooner or later.

Curt served in the Marine Corps for four years and has been a law enforcement officer in Los Angeles for the last 24 years.

137 Responses to ““Taxpayers Are The Fools… Working Is Stupid””

  1. 102

    retire05

    @Petercat:

    “The FairTax is a tax reform proposal for the federal government of the United States that would replace all federal income taxes (including the alternative minimum tax, corporate income taxes, and capital gains taxes), payroll taxes (including Social Security and Medicare taxes), gift taxes, and estate taxes with a single broad national consumption tax on retail sales.”

    You say the Fair Tax is NOT a consumption tax. So Wikipedia has it wrong? You need to tell them they are publishing false information according to Petercat.

  2. 103

    ilovebeeswarzone

    retire05
    you make a lot of smart points,
    that”s why you have many read you,
    WE HAVE TO CONFRONT THE FACTS THAT SOME WOMAN HAVE MORE CHIDREN THAN OTHER,
    even that it”s not enough new babies AMERICANS to match with the destroyed babies who would have
    come as AMERICAN WHO PROBABLY COULD HAVE LOVED THEIR FREEDOM AND WOULD HAVE FOUGHT FOR IT TO BE PRESERVED, BECOMING HEROS
    therefor, the one who struggle to give the best they can to raise their 6 or more children
    are diserving the kudos from any organisations, and if not they can have help from GOVERNMENT
    we cannot have only the rich procreate ,because not all are physicaly fertile,
    as some naturaly born to procreate no matter their standing poor or rich, the history tell us of TEN in a family was the norm and survived in times of no benefit given except from their CHURCH AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, ANSWERING THE CALL TO HELP THEIR OWN KIND,
    WE HAVE TO HELP OUR OWN BEFORE THE FOREIGNERS, THAT IS THE MANY ERRORS DONE BY THE TODAY RELIGIOUS GROUPS FORGETTING THEIR OWN POORS AND GIVING TO FOREIGNERS,
    THUS LETTING DOWN THEIR OWN AMERICA,
    AND , GOVERNMENT ARE VERY GUILTY OF SELLING THAT MINDSET,
    WE SEE IT TODAY WITH MONEYS GOING IN IRAN OR OTHER,
    WHILE THE UNEMPLOYED ARE SEARCHING FOR JOBS,
    WHILE APPROXIMATED 10 THOUSANDS OF FELONS KEPT OUT OF THE JOB MARKET EVEN AFTER YEARS OF LIVING A DECENT LIFE IN SUCH HARD ENVIRONMENT, FORCING THEM TO SEEK GOVERNMENT HANOUT MANY DON’T WANT BUT ARE FORCE IN, BY NO REVENUES FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILY,
    WHICH THEY STARTED BECAUSE THEY ARE NORMAL PEOPLE WANTING CHILDREN LIKE ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING,

  3. 104

    retire05

    @Petercat:

    “Oh, yeah, there is that convoluted system of “pre-bates.” What silliness. ”
    What a concise and erudite comment. Destroys the entire concept of the Fair Tax in one sentence. Sheer genius! sarc/off

    Really?

    “The FairTax provides a progressive program called a prebate. This gives every legal resident household an “advance refund” at the beginning of each month so that purchases made up to the poverty level are tax-free.”

    http://www.fairtax.org

    Stop digging that hole, Petercat.

  4. 106

    Petercat

    @retire05: @retire05: #100 AND 102:
    GOOD GOD, WILL YOU PLEASE WORK ON YOUR OWN READING COMPREHENSION!?!!
    And stop misrepresenting what I said? I quote, directly from my comment, saving you the trouble of figuring out how to page back:
    “He was talking about the Fair Tax, as the other tax in this discussion is the flat tax, which is not a consumption tax. ”
    Get that? I said that the FLAT TAX is not a consumption tax. I have never said that the Fair Tax is not.
    Please, please, learn to read and/or start being honest in your posts. Please?
    Hopeless.

  5. 107

    retire05

    The FairTax rate after necessities is 23% and equal to the lowest current income tax bracket (15%) combined with employee payroll taxes (7.65%), both of which will be eliminated.

    http://www.fairtax.org

    The lowest marginal tax rate now is currently 10%. Perhaps fairtax.org should change their website figures.

  6. 108

    ilovebeeswarzone

    RETIRE YOU ACCUSE PETERCAT, AND YOU ARE SILLY TO THINK THAT YOU DON’T CONSUME,
    HOW ABOUT OTHER THAN YOUR BEEF,
    I’M SURE YOU BUY OTHER THINGS FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY,
    WE DON’T GET NO BENEFIT IN INSULTING ANOTHER OF OUR CONSERVATIVE GROUP,

  7. 109

    Petercat

    @retire05: #104
    *Sigh*
    Here we go again. I was making my sarcastic response to your comment “what silliness”, not denying the existence of the prebate.
    I guess that I need to simplify my comments just for you.

  8. 111

    Petercat

    @retire05: #107
    I’ll admit, that part of their website is not very clear. The Fair Tax is still 23%. In the statement that you referenced, they are only comparing it to current (at time of writing) taxes, not basing it on those taxes. It is explained with more clarity in page 2 of their white pages, here: http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/FairTaxOverview.pdf

    I apologize for my poor behavior and comments to you. Bees is absolutely right, and I was wrong to do so. We should treat each other with respect.

  9. 112

    retire05

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    Bees, I don’t spend a lot of money. I buy a lot from local farmers/ranchers, trade for other goods and services (the old barter system) and am not a wasteful person. My truck is a 1995 F250.

    The Fair Tax is based on the presumption that the wealthy will consume (purchase) more than the less wealthy. It is a tax based on punishing for participating in commerce. And if it was such a great idea, why didn’t our Founders come up with it?

    As to the “prebate” checks: if I spend less than the prebate check covers, then I have just redistributed someone else’s wealth to me in the form of a cash bonus to me.

  10. 113

    Petercat

    @ilovebeeswarzone: #108
    Right as always, Bees. I had no excuse to speak to 05 the way I have been. Thanks for the kick in the pants. I deserved it.
    Silver is waiting for me to bake Christmas Cookies, as she does every year. If I’m lucky, she’ll even let me have one or two.
    She’s already learned the hard way that Christmas trees don’t taste good.

  11. 114

    retire05

    @Petercat:

    I’ll admit, that part of their website is not very clear. The Fair Tax is still 23%. In the statement that you referenced, they are only comparing it to current (at time of writing) taxes, not basing it on those taxes. It is explained with more clarity in page 2 of their white pages, here:

    The 10% marginal tax rate has been in effect since 2002. Fairtax.org shows its date of start as 2013. Are you telling me that they were not aware of the 10% rate?

  12. 115

    Petercat

    @retire05: #112
    “As to the “prebate” checks: if I spend less than the prebate check covers, then I have just redistributed someone else’s wealth to me in the form of a cash bonus to me. ”
    That would be rather difficult to do, as even for a family of 9, the prebate would only amount to $980 each month.
    For a single person, it would be $220 each month.
    The Fair Tax prebates are only for the amount of the tax that would be paid by a family spending at the poverty line. The intention is for people, rich or poor, to pay no taxes on spending for basic necessities of life, under the assumption that poverty line spending will only cover those necessities. It’s not perfect, but it’s better than the massive bureaucracy and paperwork burden that we have now.

  13. 116

    Petercat

    @retire05: #114
    I have no explanation for that, unless they took that passage directly from the book. Which I can’t check, since my copy of the book is currently out on loan.
    Aaaaand, the book was first published in 2005. No explanation.

  14. 117

    ilovebeeswarzone

    retire05
    I don”t think the FOUNDERS had many WEALTHY PEOPLE at that time,
    THEY WHERE TARGETTING THE ALL PEOPLE,
    HOW MUCH CHANGE HAS COME SINCE THEM, WRITING THE REAL LAWS OF THE LAND,
    ANYONE CLAIMING THE NEW LAWS ARE LAWS OF THE LAND ARE SO IGNORANT,
    TO PRETEND IT IS FOR ALL PEOPLE,

  15. 120

    retire05

    @Petercat:

    Also, the founders did not include an income tax in their plans. In fact, the constitution had to be amended to allow one.

    Lincoln had his war (income) tax that ended after the War of Northern Aggression. It was that racist slug, Woodrow Wilson, that encouraged Congress to pass a “federal” income tax amendment. Just one more reason to despise Woodrow Wilson.

  16. 121

    Smorgasbord

    @retire05: #96

    Perhaps you would like to tell everyone how you know that I haven’t read the book?

    Your are asking questions that are answered in the book.

    The book came out 8 years ago. Yet you seem to think I should remember each passage of a book that was I less than impressed with.

    I suggest skimming through the book before you ask a question that it answers.

    Then how does Home Depot or Wal-Mart report how much tax they have collected on sales?

    The book doesn’t cover that, but I’m guessing that it would be basically the same way states report sales tax.

    And you just admitted that the Fair Tax would NOT abolish the IRS, at all.

    You are twisting words to fit your agenda. Since there won’t be any federal income tax forms to fill out, the IRS will vanish. It would probably be turned into the COLLECTION AGENCY for the Fair Tax money coming in. They only have to keep track of the businesses collecting the money, not the hundreds of millions of people who file every year.

    You have also said that a person, when making a purchase, would know how much tax they are paying. There is
how a receipt would have to read:
    Item # toaster $100.00
Applied Fair Tax (23.00)
State/Local Tax 8.25
Total 108.25
    Total tax paid $31.25
    In my area, state and local taxes come to 8.25%. Do you really think that by putting on sales receipts for a $108.25 purchase that the taxes are $31.25 that is not going to affect the sales of new products? It will.

    You forget that what costs $100 before the Fair Tax will cost $100 after it, because the taxes are removed from the company making the product, then added as a sales tax, then the local taxes are added on. You don’t seem to understand this, because you keep saying the same thing.

    If you are really interested in lowering taxes, then you need to lobby to abolish all the useless, and redundant, federal agencies that we support just to be able to provide D.C. insiders jobs for their cronies. Stupid agencies like the Department of Education, EPA, et al. Seek a balanced budget amendment. Push for all spending to meet Constitutional muster. End the Marxist system of progressive taxation and require everyone to pay something. No deductions for individuals. It’s not my problem that you decided to have five kids. Pay for them.

    I agree with everything you said, except the last three sentences. Someone came up with the brilliant idea that the politicians should be paid a percentage of the GDP. If the economy goes up, so does their pay, if it goes down like it is now, so does they pay.

    With the Fair Tax there are no deductions, because the only tax you would pay is a federal sales tax on new purchases.

    I have my opinion on how the USA should raise money, and you have yours. We obviously will never agree. Can we agree to disagree and end this conversation?

  17. 123

    retire05

    @Smorgasbord:

    Just one other question: if there is no income tax, and no IRS to pay taxes on your income to, what about those Americans who are self-employed?

    I remodeled my home, and while I did a great portion of it myself, I had to hire a couple of carpenters, a plumber and a brick layer. I contracted with them on a cost (supplies to do the job where I reimbursed them for the cost of those supplies) plus labor basis with a material list provided to me. Most of the time I purchased the supplies myself, so there was only labor to be involved. The bill for the actual physical labor of the plumber and carpenter was their income and did not involve any taxes already absorbed as with supplies.

    Would they be exempt from paying taxes on what they earned via their physical labor since there would be no income tax?

  18. 124

    Petercat

    @retire05: #123
    Everyone, including your contractors, will pay taxes when they use their money to buy new things instead of when they earned it. One of the many reasons that I like the Fair Tax is that it would encourage savings and investment. I am in the habit of investing more than 10% of my income, that money would only be taxed once, when I cashed it in and spent it. Investments help the economy grow, by providing money for companies to be created or to grow.
    Side note: Over my lifetime,I have invested less on my own than than the government has seized from me in SS taxes. Yet my investment income when I retire, without touching the principle, will be about four times greater than my SS income. Plus, I will be able to leave ALL of the principle to whomever I wish. The government, after taking more, will pay me one fourth, with nothing left when I die.
    That’s an example of the poor results that you get when you give the Government control of just about anything that we can do for ourselves.

  19. 125

    retire05

    @Petercat:

    No one id denying that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme that continues to rob people of their money. That is why Galveston County, Texas pulled out of it before the Democrats in Congress passed a law saying that no one else could withdraw from the program. But Social Security is not the topic here; methods of taxation are.

  20. 127

    Smorgasbord

    What difference does it make what kind of tax the Fair Tax is called? It ELIMINATES the IRS, it ELIMINATES the welfare system, it makes EVERYBODY pay their taxes (the rich who pay little or no taxes, corporations who pay little or no taxes, the illegals, tourists from other countries, EVERYBODY who is paid cash for services), and every time you buy something you get to see how much tax you are paying. EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME PERCENTAGE. If you inherit money or property, you won’t pay any taxes on it. If you get a bonus at work, you keep it all. If you win money or objects from TV game shows or any other way, you won’t pay ANY FEDERAL TAX on them. You can give your kids as much money as you want, and they won’t have to pay taxes on it.

    How much is the IRS costing us each year to operate? How much are the MANY welfare agencies costing us each year? How many are there? We are spending hundreds of billions of dollars on welfare that the Fair Tax will eliminate. Can anyone name a taxing system that ELIMINATES about $1,000,000,000,000 per year in federal spending?

    Many farms have been lost because the farmer died, and the federal government doesn’t consider the wife a working partner, so she has to pay what is called a Death Tax. It can be high enough that she has to sell part or all of the farm to pay the taxes. Some states add to the problem with their death tax. Businesses have the same problem. The kid or kids inherit the business, and they have to pay taxes on the amount it is worth, and the IRS tells them what it is worth. I have read many stories about someone buying something at a greatly reduced price, and the IRS saying it was worth more, and taxed the person selling it on the amount they say IT SHOULD HAVE SOLD FOR.

    How much of your estate do you want your children to have? You were taxed one or more times while you were earning your money, then the government takes part of that again when you leave it to your kids. With the Fair Tax, they keep ALL OF IT. What other taxing system lets you keep ALL of the money you earn? How many times is each dollar you earned taxed under the other taxing systems.

  21. 128

    retire05

    @Smorgasbord:

    Many farms have been lost because the farmer died, and the federal government doesn’t consider the wife a working partner, so she has to pay what is called a Death Tax. It can be high enough that she has to sell part or all of the farm to pay the taxes. Some states add to the problem with their death tax. Businesses have the same problem. The kid or kids inherit the business, and they have to pay taxes on the amount it is worth, and the IRS tells them what it is worth. I have read many stories about someone buying something at a greatly reduced price, and the IRS saying it was worth more, and taxed the person selling it on the amount they say IT SHOULD HAVE SOLD FOR.

    Everyone of those examples are cause for litigation. How ’bout providing actual case law on such instances instead of just claiming they happened?

  22. 129

    Scott in Oklahoma

    @retire05: I have stayed out of this argument so far, but I will inject this. I have heard the same stories in the local papers about farms and ranches being broken up to pay inheritance taxes, I am going to assume businesses would be subject to the same deal. I am not going hunting for the articles, but I remember reading them in the last couple of years.

  23. 130

    retire05

    @Scott in Oklahoma:

    Yeah, there have been some farms/ranches that have had to sell of certain assets to pay the inheritance tax but “Many farms have been lost because the farmer died, and the federal government doesn’t consider the wife a working partner, so she has to pay what is called a Death Tax.”? Come on, when has community property rights ever been determined by whether a wife was considered a “working” partner?

  24. 131

    Smorgasbord

    @retire05: #123

    Just one other question: if there is no income tax, and no IRS to pay taxes on your income to, what about those Americans who are self-employed?

    Let me first say that I would like to see the tax a lot lower to start with. If more money is needed, the tax can be raised, but as was said earlier, politicians won’t lower the tax because they have more money coming in than going out.

    The Fair Tax is on all NEW goods and services. Keep in mind that what you paid $100 for before the Fair Tax, you will pay $100 for after the tax, because the taxes have been taken out of the cost of making the product, or running the company, then the tax is added on to the bill given to the customer.

    Whatever the contractor charged you for their services, the tax will be added on to that. The NEW items they bought will have the tax added on to them. The NEW items you bought will have a tax on them. The tax applies to ANY new items, including food and drugs, keeping in mind that the price will still be the same.

    Keep in mind that every contractor and business you gave money to gets to keep 100% of that money and pay no taxes on it. You get to keep 100%

    You mentioned that some people will get more money from the government than they spend. I would rather see that then the hundreds of millions of people getting my money for not working. You have to keep in mind that everything new thing you buy is taxed. The water, electricity, sewer, cable, telephone, paint, fertilizer, ornaments, knickknacks, etc., will be taxed, but will still cost the same. Buying a NEW house will have a tax on it, but if you sell it, you won’t pay any federal taxes.

    The bill for the actual physical labor of the plumber and carpenter was their income and did not involve any taxes already absorbed as with supplies.

    Would they be exempt from paying taxes on what they earned via their physical labor since there would be no income tax?

    There is no such thing as an EXEMPTION from the Fair Tax, since only NEW goods and services are taxed, and ALL of them are taxed. ANY money earned by ANYBODY is money they get to keep 100% of. The contractor keeps EVERY penny you paid them, and doesn’t have to report it to the federal government. If the state doesn’t have an income tax, then nobody ever fills out ANY income tax returns. Think about NEVER having to file ANY income tax returns.

  25. 132

    Smorgasbord

    @Petercat: #124

    I am in the habit of investing more than 10% of my income, that money would only be taxed once, when I cashed it in and spent it.

    Just a clarification. When I first read that statement, I thought you meant that when you take out the money you pay a tax on it. I am guessing you meant that the only time the Fair Tax is applied to the money is when you buy something with it. Money earned by any means is not taxed. I didn’t realize that a person’s 401(k) or IRA will be tax free when they take it out. That is another advantage for the elderly who try to save for retirement, then are taxed when they take it out.

    What am I saying????!!!! I’m drawing from my original 401(k) turned into an IRA in my retirement, but I don’t feel elderly, and hope not to for many many more years. I should have used different wording.

  26. 134

    Smorgasbord

    @retire05: When I lived in Iowa, which is mostly farms, many years ago, this happened too many times. The wife would have to sell off some land to pay the tax. Some of the farms had been in the same family for several generations.

  27. 136

    retire05

    @Smorgasbord:

    @retire05: When I lived in Iowa, which is mostly farms, many years ago, this happened too many times. The wife would have to sell off some land to pay the tax. Some of the farms had been in the same family for several generations.

    I’ve heard those stories as well, but most of the time they are just rumors. If it really happened, especially with the frequency you indicate, you should be able to provide a link that gives the hard facts.

  28. 137

    Smorgasbord

    @retire05: #136

    If it really happened, especially with the frequency you indicate, you should be able to provide a link that gives the hard facts.

    I never saved any stories like those. Whether you believe me or not, it has nothing to do with the Fair Tax issue, except that it would never happen under it. Let’s stick to the major issues, and not the minor ones.

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