Democrats Jumping The ObamaCare Ship?

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Techs are trying to fix the ObamaCare website but as they fix it they find more and more problems…and what do vulnerable Democrats have to say about it?

You got 53 days before all bets are off:

At the pleading of senior White House officials, Senate Democrats are holding off on demands to delay major aspects of the health care law until the Obama administration has the opportunity to fix the website problems that are thwarting enrollment in the program.

…Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.), who attended a tense two-hour meeting with President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden on Wednesday over the issue, stressed that senators should give the administration just “a little bit” of breathing room. …

Already, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) is preparing legislation to extend the enrollment period beyond March 31, and Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) has offered a bill to allow consumers to keep their existing coverage. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) unveiled bipartisan legislation Thursday with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) to delay for one year the penalties if consumers do not comply with the individual mandate. Unlike Shaheen and Landrieu, Manchin does not face reelection next year. …

One senior Senate Democratic aide predicted that no action on the law would be taken before the end of the year but added that all bets are off if the problems extend into 2014.

How many of you think this will be solved by then? How many more stories about all these cancelled polices will come out between now and then?

After the Virginia race which was much closer then ever imagined because of the ObamaCare debacle I’m betting many of these Democrats will be jumping ship sooner rather than later.

Curt served in the Marine Corps for four years and has been a law enforcement officer in Los Angeles for the last 24 years.

126 Responses to “Democrats Jumping The ObamaCare Ship?”

  1. 101

    Smorgasbord

    @Matthew: #100
    I’m guessing that you haven’t signed up for obamacare yet. Please don’t say you have, because the web site for you to pay for it hasn’t been programmed yet. Have you at least found out how much you will pay, the deductible you will have, and the things it won’t cover? If not, please don’t comment about something you don’t know about. If you are going to TRY to defend obamacare again, please include the above info first, and please don’t make up stuff like your leader teaches his subjects to do. It no longer works, even on the liberals.

    The truth is the old heartless murdering insurance factory needed to die, it did nothing but suck the money out of everyone and gave crap back… but you seem to like that… I dont get it.

    Liberals never will get the FREE ENTERPRISE system where you can CHOOSE to be insured if you want, or not be insured if you don’t want to be. After my COBRA ran out, I decided that it would be only two years until I would be old enough for Medicare. I hardly ever got sick. When I did, I was usually over it in 1-2 days. I figured I would take a chance and CHOSE not to be insured.

    A short time later, I got to thinking that I wasn’t too worried about an illness, but I could have an accident at any time, so I CHOSE to get insured. About 1 1/2 months later, I was in the hospital. I had a very minor irritant (not pain) in the center of my chest, that came and went. It was so minor, scratching it made it go away.

    It turned out that I had an artery that was about 90% plugged. By the time I got out of the hospital, the bill was about $133,000, and the insurance THAT I JUST GOT, covered almost all of it. I was GLAD to pay the deductible I had. If I were under obamacare at that time, a committee a long way away from me would have decided if whether the two stints I need would be worth it. Do you want people who don’t know you, and have never met you, and could be thousands of miles away from you, making those decisions. A bankrupt country that runs your medical care can cut expenses by changing what they will and won’t take care of at any time. I will take a CONTRACT with a “…heartless murdering insurance factory….” that has a contract that tells me what they will and won’t cover, than obamacare that can deny treatment to ANYBODY AT ANY TIME.

    Would obamacare pay for the $133,000 hospital bill, the doctor bills, the $900 blood tests I had to take for a while until the doctor found the right dosage of medication, and the medication I will probably be on for the rest of my life? I hope you never find out.

  2. 102

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Matthew
    you never heard MITT ROMNEY SAY, THAT IS GOOD ONLY FOR STATE AND DESIGN EXPRESSLY FOR A STATE,
    NO WAY FOR A USA and specialy by the SOCIALIST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHICH HAS BECOME A DETACH STATE ON THEIR OWN MAKING,and seek to get the total control of a NATION ,
    WHERE HALF DON’T KNOW THEIR AGENDA, AND THE OTHER HALF HAVE CLEVERLY
    FIGURED IT OUT FROM THEIR BEGINING,
    AND REFUSE TO GIVE THEM TOTAL CONTROL BECAUSE THEY HAVEN”T SHOWN YET TOTAL EFFICIENCY TO MAKE IT RIGHT AND FAIR FOR THE TWO HALVES,

  3. 103

    Matthew

    Yeah You prove my point thanks. I’m 63 and have seldom ever been sick, I have Never had insurance other than from places I worked at threw out my life that I had to pay into but never used. The one time I went to a doctor I got so sick from something at the office I thought I was going to die. The Dr charged me blind and the Insurance wouldn’t pay a cent. Unless you’re dieing or may die and you know the price for care will finish you off, I don’t see the point in paying a corporation to give me nothing. You have the right to give your money away if you like but I wont. Also most of my family (9 brothers and sisters)(25 nieces and nephews)(? grandchildren) are sick to death of being controlled and sucked dry by the greed motivated insurance drones. there all glad the monster is being put under control. The lie that Obama care or the ACA is the cause of people being dropped or canceled has been done largely by the insurance people themselves to scare people and a few have been caught with others being looked at and followed so yeah policies being canceled is true but not do to the ACA do to froude. If it ends up costing more so everyone has good health I think thats great a stronger healthier America is what we need. If it stops children from being dropped do to pre-existing or some other technical game great. If grandma and grandpa don’t have to pick meds over food, even better. You on the other hand will be out of luck because the ACA will end up working and you will be forced to have better health care. Check out Massachusetts health care system AKA Romney care = Obama care = The ACA.

  4. 107

    Matthew

    @Smorgasbord: I would have to say yes, BUT that is the past and the ACA is the future, On a side note had the ACA been in effect before your incident it more then likely would have been caught sooner. I wonder how many people in the past where denied or dropped with similar problems which cant happen with the ACA now.

  5. 108

    Redteam

    @Matthew:

    where denied or dropped with similar problems which cant happen with the ACA now.

    Matthew, are you saying you can’t be denied or dropped? I don’t believe that. Suppose you don’t make payments? Suppose they find out you lied to get a lower premium? If you can’t be dropped or denied, why would anyone not lie and get a lower premium? Why would they make a payment if they can’t be dropped?

  6. 109

    Matthew

    @Redteam: I don’t know all the rules or regulations but I do know I’m not going to lie. You and others may I don’t know but that’s your problem if you do. I’m saying the law is meant to protect honest people with real info. If you don’t pay I also don’t know the processes involved yet, Go to the web site and get educated in the matter. I’m not worried as I don’t plan on lying or what have you. The insurance company’s have to take me and they cant deny me or drop me that’s the law. Would you not pay your insurer or lie to them?

  7. 110

    Redteam

    @Matthew: I’m on medicare so I’m not concerned with Obamacare except as to how it affects the country. I wouldn’t accuse anyone of lying to get a lower premium, but if the observation that they can’t deny you or drop you is true, why wouldn’t anyone lie to get the lowest premium and not make payments. Once you are signed up,, if I understand correctly it’s for life and no matter if you pay or not, they can’t drop you. If they can drop you, then they are lying. If I were a lifetime smoker and dying from 4th stage lung cancer, I would tell them I was 23, never smoked, never sick a day of my life. Get the low priced insurance and I’m on easy street. No payments, full coverage. Just because you are honest and won’t lie doesn’t mean there aren’t millions of people that will.

  8. 111

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Mathiew
    the V.A. agency cannot even pay the 5 year backlog on the VETERANS,
    that is run by the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION,
    HOW COME you ARE so confident that the DOCTORS WILL BE PAID THERE Worth by the OBAMA CARE CONTROLING
    THEM AND DICTATING WHAT AND WHAT NOT TO HEAL,
    think again and pass the words to all your loved ones, that they have lied then,
    and they will lie again to cover their ass,
    and more if you let them have total power,
    GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU ALL , if you believe the promisses of liars,
    WELL EVEN GOD HAS BEEN CHASE OUT OF HOSPITALS,

  9. 112

    Redteam

    @Matthew: you said:

    I’m saying the law is meant to protect honest people with real info.

    Is that written into the policy or are you just relying on somebody’s word on that? Isn’t whether you are honest or give them real info a pre-existing condition that you can’t be denied for?

  10. 113

    Matthew

    @Redteam: I pray people don’t lie and if they do I don’t know what the deal will be, maybe if they do and are caught they will have to pay the difference? in any event people shouldn’t have to lie with the new regulations in the bill but yeah your right some may to get cheaper rates I don’t know. I guess we’ll find out if some do right?

  11. 114

    Redteam

    @Matthew:

    I pray people don’t lie and if they do

    You have more faith in humanity than I do. I don’t see how or why you would expect them to have to pay the difference, after all, if they can’t be dropped or denied coverage, then no penalty will correct that.

  12. 115

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Mathiew
    105,
    YOU HAVE BEEN WELL INDOCTRINATED,
    MITT ROMNEY IS A SMART AND KIND MAN,
    he did not have to run for president and gothrough all that vetting shit,
    he did because he knew he could get the jobs back in the USA, HE WAS VERY WELL RESPECTED BY THE JOBS CREATORS WHO WOULD HAVE TRUSTED HIM AND OPEN THE USA AS ACTIVE AS SHE WAS BEFORE,
    THIS SOCIALIST INVADE THE JOB MARKET JUST TO GET CONTROL ON THEM, AND THOSE SMART WEALTHY JOB MAKER SAW IT CLEAR AND BACKED OUT UNTIL BETTER DAYS COME BACK FOR THEM,
    THEY WHERE STUCK BETWEEN A PACK OF UNION’S RULES AND A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT
    WHO WANTED TO REDISTRIBUTE THEIR MONEY AND GIVE IT TO THEIR OWN LOYALIST,
    AND SO WAS IT DONE, CHECK IT UP.

  13. 116

    Matthew

    @ilovebeeswarzone: I’m sure that will be straightened out with the VA. I don’t like the way it has been run in the past and I won’t put up with that crap when it comes to our Vets. many of my family have been in the military From my father on down to grand children and they all deserve the best for there service to this country. I have to ask, you know all the old insurance lied and cheated millions of people out of trillions and gave as little as they had to right, then I ask why are you so up on the ACA witch it hasn’t even had a chance to do its job yet. My point earlier is still the same why do you like that old crap so much just because you had a choice between thieves?

  14. 119

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Mathiew,
    117,
    THEY DIDN’T SHUT DOWN,THEY WHERE CHASE AWAY BY THE THOUSANDS AGENCIES GOVERNING THIS COUNTRY
    CHASING THEM OUT OR ELSE,
    DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW THE WORK FORCE HAS BECOME?
    BETWEEN THE UNIONS GOVERNING THIS COUNTRY AND THE 20 HOURS WORFORCE,
    YOUR TWO FACES BIDDING IS NOT FOR WELCOME IN A DECENT COMPANY,

  15. 120

    Redteam

    @Matthew:

    I have to ask, you know all the old insurance lied and cheated millions of people out of trillions

    where did you hear that? I have never, and I’m old, heard of any insurance company cheating anyone. Never.

  16. 121

    Matthew

    @Redteam: You left out a few check and balances like you have medical records out there already, and you cant lie about your age, if you don’t pay? Maybe you should go ask the people who know? I’m sure there are somethings about you that the government already knows that would negate the possibility of you lying or not paying just like the old system where if you didn’t pay they wrecked your credit for life. I don’t intend to not pay or lie so I’m not worried. We will find out what the penalty for not complying is and for lying as well. By the way how is the insurance on your home or car? where I live we’re forced to have both.

  17. 122

    Redteam

    @Matthew:

    By the way how is the insurance on your home or car? where I live we’re forced to have both.

    Not sure I believe that. I’m sure if you have a mortgage on your house you’re required to have it to protect the mortgager, and you are only required to have liability on your car to protect others, not yourself. So it’s not the same as requiring you to buy insurance to protect yourself. But IF you are required to have insurance on a house or car, does it also require you to own a house or car just so they can MAKE you buy insurance on them.

    You left out a few check and balances like you have medical records out there already, and you cant lie about your age, if you don’t pay?

    You sure are putting a lot of faith in Dimocrats. Don’t know where you got that info, but I’ll bet you’re not ‘required’ to supply any prior info. Why would you be, if you can’t be denied even if you have a history of poor health. Stating that you CAN NOT BE DENIED INSURANCE FOR ANY REASON is not compatible with saying that you can be denied if you lie, or don’t pay, or are on your death bed.

  18. 124

    Matthew

    For you who have questions, Enroll America, or Healthcare.gov, ask a navigator for info as to where you can go to find the answers you have questions on. I’m not qualified.

  19. 125

    Matthew

    @Redteam: Ok then you get the point of the bill so why would people lie? and yes you have records to show who you are and how old you are and yes you don’t have to tell if you have pre existing problems but you will have to tell your doctor and you will have to right a check to someone and you pay tax’s it all adds up and it all gives your fingerprint so if you give false info you only cheat your self and cause problems for you. As for your confusion on the pre existing thing you seriously need to talk to the people who have your answers because to me your just talking in circles. I get from the way you come at me that nothing I tell you will be the end of it so go find your answers from qualified people I left a few links for you in an earlier post.

  20. 126

    Smorgasbord

    @Matthew: #107

    On a side note had the ACA been in effect before your incident it more then likely would have been caught sooner.

    How do you figure that? There was no PAIN. It felt like a minor itch, and went away when I scratched it. You don’t go to a doctor with a minor itch unless it keeps coming back like mine did. Please explain to me how obamacare would have caught it sooner.

    I wonder how many people in the past where denied or dropped with similar problems which cant happen with the ACA now.

    With a private insurance company, there is a written contract that states what the company will pay for and what it won’t pay for. If a person feels they have been denied something the insurance company should pay for, they can sue. Is there any such provision in obamacare? You would have to sue the federal government, and if I remember correctly, you can’t sue the federal government unless they approve of it.

    With obamacare, there is a panel of people who will never meet you, who will decide what treatment you will get, and whether you will be denied ANY treatment. They can deny ANY TREATMENT AT ANY TIME. I read one story that said there is even a provision for a system to be set up that YOUR DOCTOR will have to submit their suggested treatment while you are in their office, and the committee will decide right then if the treatment is approved or denied.

    If you don’t believe any of the stuff about obamacare except what your leader tells you, and the committee denies you treatment, then you deserve it.

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