I remember another time John Kerry testified about atrocities he never witnessed

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A few days ago John Kerry had some stern words:

The Obama administration toughened its tone toward President Bashar al-Assad’s regime with US Secretary of State John Kerry making it clear that the US is considering possible military action over the regime’s alleged chemical weapons use.

Employing his strongest language yet, Kerry said Washington was still examining evidence, but left no doubt that Assad’s regime would be blamed.

There can be no doubt that the chemical weapons were used in Syria and the government’s behavior suggests that something is being covered up. President Barack Obama will be holding deliberations and will decide how to respond, said Kerry at a State Department briefing.

The chemical attack unleashed against civilians in Syria last week should “shock the conscience of the world,” he added, calling the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, the killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons “a moral obscenity.”

“By any standard it is inexcusable, and despite the excuses and equivocations that some have manufactured, it is undeniable.”

Assad’s government has denied carrying out last week’s alleged chemical weapons strike on a civilian community near Damascus, which reportedly killed hundreds of people, but Kerry said that independent reports of an atrocity were credible and said that the United States would soon present more concrete evidence of its own.

“Moreover, we know that the Syrian regime maintains custody of these chemical weapons. We know that the Syrian regime has the capacity to do this with rockets,” he said.

“We know that the regime has been determined to clear the opposition from those very places where the attacks took place. And with our own eyes, we have all of us become witnesses.

“We have additional information about this attack, and that information is being compiled and reviewed together with our partners, and we will provide that information in the days ahead,” he said.

I remember another time when John Kerry testified to atrocities he never witnessed:

I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit – the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the Winter Soldier Investigation.

— John Kerry, testifying before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, April 22, 1971

Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

— Crosby Noyes, Washington Evening Star

There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

— John Kerry, on NBC’s “Meet the Press” April 18, 1971

Barack Obama picked the perfect front man should this all fall apart.

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Can never trust a white-haired whisky-drinkin’ liar.

MOS-8541
HI,
there is the problem, no one trust OBAMA AND KERRY’S WORDS,THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW THE FUTURE OF THAT ATTACK AND BOTH DARE SPECULATE ON HOW IT WILL TURN AFTER THE ATTACK.

Kerry, Hagel and Dempsey testified to the Senate Foreign Relations committee today.
Love Kerry’s hairpiece!
But, to the point…..
Who else noticed how shallow the thinking has been about WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
One thing I saw a few times was that YES, the US attacks Syria and Israel gets attacked.
Then….
That’s Israel’s problem.
BUT, when Israel reacts what do you want to bet the world (including Obama, Kerry, Hagel) will be screaming, ”Disproportionality!!!!”
Israel might want the US to know that, should their little attack on Syia lead to israel being attacked, Syria might just be obliterated.
They’ll be blamed as if they did it anyway.

Nan G
AND ALSO THE 3 TOGETHER ATTACK ISRAEL PALESTINE HESBHOLA ,
IRAN , SYRIA,.
IT TELL US THAT ISRAEL WILL ATTACK ALL AT ONCE BEFORE,
OR IT WILL BE WOUNDED , AND MIGHT NEVER RECOVER,

I wonder what RUSSIA WOULD DO,
they get in or not?

and UN ENVOY SAID THEY HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN SYRIA, WORKING ON HELPING,,
THEY CAN’T SEND A TOMAHAWK IN THERE,

I remember another atrocity I witnessed previously- when Kerri ran for president.

@Nan G: #3

Who else noticed how shallow the thinking has been about WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

Different times when Kerry was talking about different things, I noticed he sounded as though he was either doubtful about what he was saying, or he was trying to convince himself that what he was saying was true. I don’t automatically look for faults in liberal’s talks, but a lot of it just seems to be there, just like when some of the republicans are now trying to convince themselves to go along with the president.

WHAT IS THE OBAMA EXIT STRATEGY? Remember, we are SUPPOSED to have an exit strategy before going into something like this.

I’m of the mind that this is either going to be another Vietnam, or it’s going to escalate into a third world war.

The American people don’t want this war, polls all over the spectrum make that quite clear. Obama want’s it badly but his administration doesn’t have a plan or a clue, and the Progressive leadership of both parties seems hell bent to give it to him.

Nan Israel has already bombed Syria twice in the past 2 months.
As for Kerry’s service to his country: Kerry volunteered and also requested to serve in the most dangerous job he was qualified to serve. 9 out of 10 of the crew that served under him on the 2 Swift boats he commanded agressively supported him during his campaign for POTUS. The 10th man who served could not be located. The Special Forces Lieutenant that he rescued when Kerry won his Dilver Star also praised him.
When his service and Silver Star are questioned ALL who won that medal have their award also questioned.
As for the atrocities taht were committed in Vietnam tahnks for reminding us of them .Well over 200 civilians were killed at Mai Lai. When theat cover up finally failed due to the New York Times it marked a major turning point in the public’s perception of that war.

Putin now says he could supoport air strikes against Syria. And of course Israel has done so

@john:

He beached his boat and abandoned it to shoot an kid armed with an empty rocket launcher. Then he cut himself shaving wounded himself with shrapnel firing a rocket and demanded a Purple Heart.

I know the story very, very well.

@drjohn:

I served with these guys. I went on missions with them, and these men served honorably. Up and down the chain of command there was no acquiescence to atrocities. It was not condoned, it did not happen, and it was not reported to me verbally or in writing by any of these men including Lt.(jg) Kerry.

— Captain George Elliott, USN (retired)

@john:

The exact sources of that assertion should be tracked down. Kerry also ought to be asked who, exactly, told him any such thing, and what it was, exactly, that they said they did in Vietnam. Statutes of limitation now protect these individuals from prosecution for any such admissions. Or did Senator Kerry merely hear allegations of that sort as hearsay bandied about by members of antiwar groups (much of which has since been discredited)? To me, this assertion sounds exactly like the disinformation line that the Soviets were sowing worldwide throughout the Vietnam era. KGB priority number one at that time was to damage American power, judgment, and credibility. One of its favorite tools was the fabrication of such evidence as photographs and “news reports” about invented American war atrocities. These tales were purveyed in KGB-operated magazines that would then flack them to reputable news organizations. Often enough, they would be picked up. News organizations are notoriously sloppy about verifying their sources. All in all, it was amazingly easy for Soviet-bloc spy organizations to fake many such reports and spread them around the free world.
As a spy chief and a general in the former Soviet satellite of Romania, I produced the very same vitriol Kerry repeated to the U.S. Congress almost word for word and planted it in leftist movements throughout Europe. KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, “our most significant success.”

— Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to defect from the Soviet bloc, in the National Review, February 26, 2004

Remember Tonkin Gulf! I have not forgotten. A destroyer spent the night shooting at radar ghosts. The next day they reported being attacked by North Vietnamese gunboats. No debris found.
So Pres Johnson got unlimited authority to do anything to deter this aggression.
How’s that workin’ out for ya?
We paid big time for that intervention. What will it cost us this time?
The feckless chair-sitters in Congress will NEVER restrain Obama by pulling the purse strings. Getting re-elected is all they think about. Obumbler has them all: McLame, Grahamnesty, his whole cabinet, the major media–all in his control.
This will cost us big time. It is a mistake.
Who set off the gas bombs? Is there evidence of which side is responsible?

No.

We are so screwed.

Curt put this up a while ago

Stolen Valor – “John Kerry’s Record of Betrayal”

(CNSNews.com) – The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth website now carries a statement from Larry Thurlow, who insists that John Kerry wrote a report “which falsely described the action on the Bay Hap River” (for which Kerry later received the Bronze Star).”To this day,” writes Thurlow, I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other accounts from my shipmates – there was no hostile enemy fire directed at my boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day.”According to Thurlow, “After the mine exploded, leaving swift boat three dead in the water, John Kerry’s boat, which was on the opposite side of the river, fled the scene. US Army Special Forces officer Jim Rassmann, who was on Kerry’s boat at the time, fell off the boat and into the water. Kerry’s boat returned several minutes later — under no hail of enemy gunfire — to retrieve Rassmann from the river only seconds before another boat was going to pick him up.”John O’Neill, another Swift Boat Veteran, told Fox News on Friday, “This is a little tiny canal, 75 yards wide. The boats were there an hour and a half – absolutely nobody wounded, not a single bullet hole of any kind.” O’Neill called it “tragic” that Friday’s New York Times “ignores all that.”Kerry and Rassmann tell a different story about that day on the river. “All those Viet Cong were shooting at me. I expected to be shot. When he (Kerry) pulled me out of the river, he risked his life to save mine,” Jim Rassmann says in a new TV ad released by the Kerry campaign on Thursday.

– See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/no-hostile-fire-swift-vets-insist#sthash.INAUwCrV.dpuf

john
KERRY FORGOT THAT HE WAS AN AMERICAN, THAT’S WHAT PTSD DO,,
AND WHAT HE REPORT WAS BULSHIT SUPPORTING THE ENEMIES LIKE JANE DID,
WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT OUR MILITARY BEING KILLED AND WOUNDED?
WHO TOLD THEIR STORY? SURELY NOT THE TRAITORS OF AMERICA,
NOBODY IS INTERESTED ABOUT THE ENEMIES THEY WHERE FIGHTING,
BUT WE ARE INTERESTED ABOUT THE ENEMIES SAVAGE TORMENTS AND BEATING TO DEATH OUR TROOPS,
GO CHECK IN THE VETERAN’S HOSPITAL, AND COME BACK WITH STORIES, OF WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH

Nixon was so pissed at Kerry that he literally fired him from the Navy. Kerry had to have his medals re-issued in 1985, despite his claim of “throwing them away.” He later amended that statement to having thrown away his ribbons, which anyone can buy. Medals you get once.

Kerry has a long history of torturing the truth.

Another question: Why doesn’t Kerry sue John O’Neill, principal author of Unfit for Command, and the other Swift Boat Veterans for Truth for defamation? Why would all these “liars for Bush,” as Kerry loyalists and many journalists persistently charge, have made themselves vulnerable to huge damage to their careers and incomes if Kerry were to win such a suit? Both sides would have to be cross-examined in depositions under oath. John O’Neill has challenged Kerry, saying, “Sue me!”

How many Americans know that John O’Neill, the purported Republican operative, voted for Hubert Humphrey and Al Gore for president, and that his favorite candidate for the presidency this year was John Edwards? And O’Neill describes George W. Bush as an “empty suit” (The New York Times, August 28; Los Angeles Times, August 28).

Would you buy a pre-owned car from John Kerry?

http://www.villagevoice.com/2004-09-07/news/the-unknown-kerry/full/

Anyone who palled around with Jane Fonda protesting our involvement in Vietnam, then lied so viciously about US troops shouzld have had his US citizenship revoked, not elected senator and now the primary lying mouthpiece for the State Dept.
Kerry is a disreputable coward. The picture of him having dinner with Assad shows in stark reality how utterly disingenuous Kerry and all other leftists are.
Doesn’t it amaze you how leftists only want to go to war when it is of no strategic benefit to the US, and agai st the will of the people?

drjohn
we are proud to have you as an AUTHOR AND
A BRAVE MILITARY WHO SERVED IN VIETNAM.

THE ATHEISTS ARE TROUBLED BY HEARING OF GOD in the laws of USA,
THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT WE GOD LOVING PEOPLE, ARE FINDING THEM DESPICABLE CHARACTERS,
AND WE ARE BEING NICE TO THEM, BUT WE CAN’T STAND THEM AS THEY CAN’T STAND GOD
SHOULD WE DO AS THEM AND DEMAND THEY BE STRUCK DOWN BECAUSE OF IT.

@Ditto: As I have said before, no matter who wins, they will be Muslims, and we will still be the Great Satan that should be destroyed. The more they kill each other, the fewer of them will hate the Great Satan after someone wins.

@drjohn: #12
Liberals never let FACTS get in the way of their agenda.

@drjohn: #14

Kerry also ought to be asked who, exactly, told him any such thing, and what it was, exactly, that they said they did in Vietnam.

Kerry has been known to make up stuff. Remember when he said he threw his medals over the white house fence, only to find out that he still had them, so he said he threw the ribbons for the medals over the fence. Liberals always come up with a backup plan when their first lie doesn’t work.

News organizations are notoriously sloppy about verifying their sources.

The propaganda media have only one standard for screening stories: Will it hurt the conservatives? If the answer is, “Yes”, then run with it. If the story is proven false, then they say it wasn’t their fault.

@mathman: #15

Who set off the gas bombs? Is there evidence of which side is responsible?

Pick which person or group you want to believe. I choose to believe “NONE OF THE ABOVE” until there is ABSOLUTE proof. obama and kerry saying they have evidence, but not presenting the evidence, isn’t enough for me. Why won’t they release the evidence, IF THERE IS ANY. They said they have intercepts, so let politicians with high enough clearance hear them.

@ilovebeeswarzone: #23
I don’t consider myself an atheist. I’m more a neutralist, in the since that I don’t know for sure if there is or isn’t a god.

Our US Constitution states that the USA can’t establish a religion. If the Christian religion is to be used to make laws, then that means that it has been declared the ESTABLISHED religion of the country.

As I have asked different times, but have never gotten an answer from ANYBODY: If we use the Christian religion to decide laws because it is the most prevalent, but the Muslim religion becomes the most prevalent religion, does that mean we have to switch to their laws?

The founding fathers were very wise to put that part in the Constitution, but they had a very good reason. The church in England at that time had almost as much authority as the government did. Many of the colonists came to the USA to escape the church. The founders didn’t want ANY church to gain as much power as the church did in England.

I agree with that part of the Constitution. Anyone who says that the Christian religion should be used to decide laws in the USA is saying they want that part of the Constitution stricken. When we let religion regulate laws, we become regulated by the most prevalent religion. That’s fine if YOUR religion is the most prevalent one, but what happens if another one becomes the most prevalent? Will you support their right to influence what laws are written for the USA?

@Smorgasbord:

Our US Constitution states that the USA can’t establish a religion. If the Christian religion is to be used to make laws, then that means that it has been declared the ESTABLISHED religion of the country.

And which Christian religion would you be talking about? The Methodists? The Baptists? Catholics? Church of Christ? Episcopalians? Christianity is a religious philosophy, not a “religion” per se.

And our laws, i.e. our Constitution, WAS based on a Judeo-Christian philosophy. “Thou shalt not kill” is right out of the Ten Commandments. Same with “Thou shalt not steal (theft), thou shall not bear false witness” (perjury laws), et al.

As I have asked different times, but have never gotten an answer from ANYBODY: If we use the Christian religion to decide laws because it is the most prevalent, but the Muslim religion becomes the most prevalent religion, does that mean we have to switch to their laws?

Oklahoma passed a law that Sharia could not be used in Oklahoma state courts. A liberal judge just overruled that law, claiming it to be unconstitutional. It will not be the last time you are going to see the laws of Islam shoved down the throats of Americans.

The church in England at that time had almost as much authority as the government did. Many of the colonists came to the USA to escape the church. The founders didn’t want ANY church to gain as much power as the church did in England.

You missing an important part of that equasion; the Church of England was headed by the King, not some clergy member. He was the supreme authority when it came to the Church of England. So it’s not that the Church had more authority, it was that the Church, and the government, were one and the same.

You need to spend less time worrying about Christianity in America and more time worrying about creeping Sharia. Do you really want to see fathers, who commit honor killings, to be allowed to go free in U.S. courts because they were simply “honoring” their religion?

America was very very fortunate NOT to have this idiot as President. The only thing worse would have been Gore!!

@retire05: #29

Oklahoma passed a law that Sharia could not be used in Oklahoma state courts. A liberal judge just overruled that law, claiming it to be unconstitutional.

One story said the judge rejected it because it targeted them specifically. All that the law would have to say is that no other country’s laws can be used, or only American laws can be used.

…the Church of England was headed by the King….

I didn’t know that.

And which Christian religion would you be talking about?

That is one thing I have wondered about for many years. One Bible, but many religions. Why? Even the Muslim religion is based on Old Testament stuff.

Do you really want to see fathers, who commit honor killings, to be allowed to go free in U.S. courts because they were simply “honoring” their religion?

Not long ago I suggest to my state politicians that this is going on in the USA, and asked if we could pass a law banning any laws except American. One politician wrote back and said he didn’t know this was going on and wanted references, so I sent him some. I hope he will act on this. I suggest that every concerned American write their state and federal politicians about it, and give them web links to different stories about it going on.

Smorgasbord
would any one have believed that now they have to take a stand to protect CHRISTIANITY FROM MUSLIMS
AND ATHES WHO JOIN THEM TO MAKE THEIR CULT ADVANCE,

@ilovebeeswarzone: #32
The Muslim religion was created to take over the world. That was it’s original goal, and that goal hasn’t changed. Anyone who does’t want to convert to their religion is their enemy. I would rather live in an area full of Christians, than most of the other religions. The Christian religion teaches us to love each other. Not many others do.

Smorgasbord
yes we are safer with CHRISTIANITY, and whoever try to stop, or change or diminish it,
are not to be trusted because they try to subdue people to their own control,
we see it clear now that they came out from hiding and demand their rights by demolishing our rights,

Well come on all of you big strong men, uncle Bo needs your help again,
He got himself up in a terrible hysteria, way down yander in Islamofascist Syria.
Put down your books and pick up a gun, we’re gonna have a whole lotta fun.

And it’s 1, 2, 3 what are we fightin for?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give it the least, the next stop is the middle East,
And it’s 5, 6, 7 open up the pearly gates. Well there ain’t no time to wonder why… WHOO we’re all gunna die.

Now come on K street don’t be slow, why man this war’s a-go-go,
There’s plenty good money to be made, supplyin’ the Obama with the tools of his tirade
Just hope and pray that when they aim the bomb sight, it’ll be on the Right

And it’s 1, 2, 3 what are we fightin for?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give it the least, the next stop is the middle East,
And it’s 5, 6, 7 open up the pearly gates. Well there ain’t no time to wonder why… WHOO we’re all gunna die.

Well come on Valerie let’s move fast, Your big chance is come at last,
Gotta go out and get those reds, ’Cause The only good Conservative is one that’s dead,
And you know that peace can only be won, When you blow them all to kingdom come

And it’s 1, 2, 3 what are we fightin for?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give it the least, the next stop is the middle East,
And it’s 5, 6, 7 open up the pearly gates. Well there ain’t no time to wonder why… WHOO we’re all gunna die.

Now come on mothers throughout the Northeast, pack your boys off to the middle East
Come on fathers don’t hesitate, send your sons off before it’s too late,
Be the first one on your block, to have your boy come home in a box

And it’s 1, 2, 3 what are we fightin for?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give it the least, the next stop is the middle East,
And it’s 5, 6, 7 open up the pearly gates. Well there ain’t no time to wonder why… WHOO we’re all gunna die.

H/T Country Joe And The Fish

Clyde A. Holt
that would fit in with MUSIC
what kind of beat is for the WARRIORS to create,
123 shoot, 4 reload 567 shoot, they all gunna die, woops time to go home
that is a good one,
thank you

@Clyde A. Holt: #35
I only read it, and didn’t sing it to the tune, because I too don’t like the way I sound when I TRY to sing.

9/11 remembered on FOX, SO SAD, IT MAKE ONE CRY,
and every year at this time we remember those who died,
those hundreds of FIREFIGHTERS and POLICE OFFICERS HERO OF THIS AMERICA,
the citizens crying and hurting so much,
and THE GOOD PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH,
SO PROFONDLY HURTING but standing tall and showing true LEADERSHIP TO THE PEOPLE,
he said: I HEAR YOU, those few words meant so much more than any SPEECH.