It all began last night:
About 10:30, police received reports that a campus security officer at M.I.T. was shot while he sat in his police cruiser. He was found with multiple gunshot wounds, according to a statement issued by Middlesex Acting District Attorney Michael Pelgro, Cambridge Police Commissioner Robert Haas, and MIT Police Chief John DiFava. The officer was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
A short time later, police received reports of an armed carjacking of a Mercedes SUV by two males in the area of Third Street in Cambridge, the statement said. “The victim was carjacked at gunpoint by two males and was kept in the car with the suspects for approximately a half hour,” the statement said. He was later released, uninjured, at a gas station on Memorial Drive in Cambridge.
And ended for one of them after a gunbattle with police:
With a bomb strapped to his chest, one of the Boston Marathon suspects was killed early Friday after he and his accomplice robbed a 7-Eleven, shot a police officer to death, carjacked an SUV and hurled explosives out the window in an extraordinary firefight with law enforcement, authorities told NBC News.
The second suspect — the one in the white hat in photos released by the FBI — was on the loose, and police ordered people in the Boston suburb of Watertown to stay in their homes and businesses not to open. Boston shut down its buses and subway system for the hunt.
The suspects are brothers with the last name Tsarnaez, law enforcement officials told NBC News. The suspect on the loose is 19 and has a Massachusetts driver’s license, they said. Law enforcement officials told NBC News that both men had international ties, had been in the United States about a year and had military experience.
We know they came from Chechnya and wait for it…..Muslim
Tamerlan, who studies at Bunker Hill Community College in Boston and wants to become an engineer, took the semester off from school to train for the competition.
Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee.
Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.”
If he wins enough fights… Tamerlan says he could be selected for the US Olympic team and be naturalized American. Unless his native Chechnya becomes independent, Tamerlan says he would rather compete for the United States than for Russia.
Tamerlan says he doesn’t drink or smoke anymore: “God said no alcohol.” A muslim, he says: “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.”
He was also a fan of al-Qaeda:
Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26 year-old brother of the second Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, had a YouTube page where he posted religious videos, including a video of Feiz Mohammad, afundamentalist Australian Muslim preacher who rails against the evils of Harry Potter. Among those videos is one dedicated to the prophecy of the Black Banners of Khurasan which is embraced by Islamic extremists—particularly Al Qaeda. The videos posted on what appears to be Tsarnaev’s YouTube page may shed light on the motivations for the attack on the Boston Marathon. The prophecy states that an invincible army will come from the region of “Khurasan,” a large portion of territory in central Asia.
“This is a major hadith (reported saying of the prophet Muhammad) that jihadis use, it is essentially an end-time prophecy,” says Aaron Zelin, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy “This is definitely important in Al Qaeda’s ideology.” In The Black Banners, former FBI agent Ali Soufan’s book about his pursuit of Al Qaeda that is named after this prophecy, Soufan describes the prophecy this way:
Khurasan is a term for a historical region spanning northeastern and eastern Iran and parts of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and northwestern Pakistan. Because of the hadith, jihadists believe that this is the region from which they will inflict a major defeat against their enemies—in the Islamic version of Armageddon…
His Amazon wishlist:
– How to Make Driver’s Licenses and Other ID on Your Home Computer
– The I.D. Forger: Homemade Birth Certificates & Other Documents Explained
– Secrets Of A Back Alley ID Man: Fake Id Construction Techniques Of The Underground
– The Lone Wolf And the Bear: Three Centuries of Chechen Defiance of Russian Rule
– Organized Crime: AN INSIDE GUIDE TO THE WORLD’S MOST SUCCESSFUL INDUSTRY
the other brother still outstanding?
Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev posted links to Islamic websites and others calling for Chechen independence on what appears to be his page on a Russian language social networking site.
Abusive comments in Russian and English were flooding onto Tsarnaev’s page on VK, a Russian-language social media site, on Friday after he was identified as a suspect in the bombing of the Boston marathon. …
His “World view” is listed as “Islam” and his “Personal priority” is “career and money”.
He has posted links to videos of fighters in the Syrian civil war and to Islamic web pages with titles like “Salamworld, my religion is Islam” and “There is no God but Allah, let that ring out in our hearts”.
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Heh….
if the bastard lives, there’s always tenure
— GregGutfeld (@greggutfeld) April 19, 2013
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Now the father of one of the bombers is threatening the US:
The father of suspected Boston Marathon bomber called on his son today to give up peacefully, but warned the U.S. that if his son is killed “all hell will break loose.”
Anzor Tsarnaev spoke to ABC News from his home in the Russian city of Makhachkala as Boston police carried out an intense dragnet for his son Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, survived a running gun battle with police during the night that left an MIT security officer dead and a Boston cop badly wounded. His older brother died in the shootout.
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Damn right….
And so it starts. Rep. Steve Stockman of TX vows to learn “how these suspects entered the United States”
— Jeremy W. Peters (@jwpetersNYT) April 19, 2013
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Third man has been arrested. He’s being called an accomplice, not yet called a suspect, reports NPR’s Dina Temple-Raston.
— NPR News (@nprnews) April 19, 2013
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PHOTO: Roommate of fallen #MIT police officer puts up American flag in front of their home. twitter.com/davabel/status… – @davabel
— NewsBreaker (@NewsBreaker) April 19, 2013
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Heh
Lets see, a Muslim Chechnyan child-killing terrorist on the loose. Yeah, I see why DC wants to take our firearms & open the border.
— Tammy Bruce (@HeyTammyBruce) April 19, 2013
Double heh
“If I had a son, he’d look like Dzhokar Tsarnaev ” : Bill Ayers #tcot #tlot #terrorism #boston #bomber #BostonMarathon #tgdn
— OpenThreads (@OpenThreads) April 19, 2013
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Boston Bomber Could Have Been Deported After 2009 Conviction
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What the hope-they’re-white crowd really wishes for is a reason to treat their domestic political adversaries as enemies of the state.
— James Taranto (@jamestaranto) April 19, 2013
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Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev flew in and out of John F. Kennedy Airport last year and was out of the country for six months, and investigators said they want to know if he received any terror training while he was overseas, NBC 4 New York has learned.
Travel records obtained by NBC 4 New York show Tsarnaev left New York on Jan. 12, 2012 for Sheremetyevo, Russia. He stayed overseas and returned to JFK on July 17.
The travel documents show a photo of a bearded Tsarnaev.
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Two Chechen Islamist terrorists have succeeded in turning Boston, America’s cradle of liberty, into a prison. Just when we had gotten used to obscene lines and searches at airports as the price we pay for safety, the lockdown of Boston illustrates the extent to which civil liberties are at stake in the war on terror. Since 9/11, there has been an ongoing debate about the protection of the rights of suspected terrorists. But today’s events show that its is not just the civil liberties of terrorists at stake, but also those of millions of innocent civilians.
If Boston is “closed” for just six hours, that is 175000 man days of functional house arrest; roughly as many as would be required to keep everyone in Guantanamo confined for a year or two. No doubt the police overreaction will be severely criticized in coming days, but largely on policy grounds, not civil rights grounds.
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Some of Rand Paul’s critics laughed at the hypothetical he emphasized in his filibuster last month but, well, here we are:
Uh, can someone ask Holder if he considers Tsarnaevan American citizen actively plotting with al Qaeda or its affiliates? Seems relevant.
— Daniel Foster (@DanFosterNRO) April 19, 2013
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Disgusting…media so wanted this bombing to be the act of other Americans. I cannot describe how twisted this is.
CNN’s Amanpour Hoped ‘Beyond Hope’ the Boston Bombing Suspects Weren’t Mideast Muslims
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Evidence of radicalization?
By Alyssa Lindley Kilzer
I started getting facials from Zubeidat Tsarnaeva (pronounced Zu-bey-da) six years ago when I was 17 at a spa in Belmont, MA. She was soon after fired and contacted my mom to have us start coming to her house, at 410 Norfolk St., right on the line of Cambridge and Watertown. All throughout my senior year of high school and four years of college I went to her house about three times a year. The last time I went to the house was in December and January of 2011/2012.
…During this time first one daughter and then another were set up in arranged marriages, and started having kids. This was something I found slightly disturbing, as one was just my age (18-19) and didn’t seem to be happily married. Within two years that daughter was beaten badly and eventually filed for divorce, something which was at first against her mother’s wishes. Later Zubeidat said she had accepted it because it was an unhappy marriage. He daughter then moved back into the house with her child. Her younger son, Dzhokar, was most often in the room or the room next door looking after his sister’s child while I was getting my facial. There were usually issues with parking on her crowded Cambridge Street. Sometimes she would have Dzhokar go down to the street to put the visitor parking pass into my car window (Yes, I gave him my car keys). Once he moved my car, which made me nervous as the street was so crowded and parking spots so small. In 2010-11, there was a day when Dzhokar wasn’t home, so Zubeidat took the parking pass out to the street for me. I noticed that she first put on a burka before going outside. She had never worn a burka while working at the spa and I was really surprised.
Between 2008 and 2012 I got to know her pretty well. During those 2-3 hours I spent a lot of time asking her about her personal life and her family. (I’m a writer and tend to ask people exhaustive questions about their personal lives, especially as interesting a character as this.) The burka shouldn’t have surprised me so much, because she had become increasingly religious while I was in college. She often mentioned Allah, and the lessons of the Koran. “Allah will reward him,” she said once about my brother, when I told her that my brother and mom were close, and that I thought my brother would take care of my mom later in life. She started to refuse to see boys that had gone through puberty, as she had consulted a religious figure and he had told her it was sacrilegious. She was often fasting. She told me that she had cried for days when her oldest son, Tamerlan, told her that he wanted to move out, going against her culture’s tradition of the son staying in the house with the mother until marriage. She started saying things like, “Don’t worry, there aren’t men in the house today,” when I asked if I could use the bathroom, which I thought was kind of funny at the time, since I didn’t mind if there were men in the apartment or not.
…In my last year of college I was getting a facial from her, and asking her about why she had originally come to the United States with her family about eight or ten years previously. She told me that she and her husband had been lawyers and political activists in Russia. They had fled the country after “something that her husband did.” Her daughter had recently been divorced at this time, and her daughter’s ex-husband had taken their child to Russia, refusing to return him. Finally the child was returned. When my mom asked Zubeidat how they had gotten the child back, she told her that “her [Zubeidat’s] husband was crazy” and everyone knew it. When he threatened the daughter’s ex-husband’s family, they returned the child. During this facial session she started quoting conspiracy theories, telling me that she thought 9-11 was purposefully created by the American government to make America hate muslims. “It’s real,” she said, “My son knows all about it. You can read on the internet.” I have to say I felt kind of scared and vulnerable when she said this, as I am distinctly American, and was lying practically naked in her living room.
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So sick of this “he was a good kid” “how could a good kid of done this” crap. No “good kid” places a bomb to kill innocent people let alone placing it beside a 8 year old.
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As BuzzFeed has reported, one YouTube page appears to have been created by Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The video includes a link to a video titled, “The Emergence of Prophecy: The Black Flags From Khorasan.”
The video deals with a key part of jihadist mythology: That one of the most significant battles fought against the “infidels” will take place in the Khorasan, a geographic area that includes parts of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
The Khorasan is considered by jihadis to be the place where they will inflict the first defeat against their enemies in the Muslim version of Armageddon. The final battle is to take place in the Levant – Israel, Syria, and Lebanon. Mentions of the Khorasan have begun to increase in al Qaeda’s propaganda.
This alone, of course, does not make the brothers al Qaeda operatives. If the YouTube page was Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s, then the video, along with other posts, indicates at least a level of sympathy for the jihadist ideology.
The SITE Intelligence Group reports that one of the playlists on the YouTube page was titled “Terrorists.” The videos in the playlist have been taken down, but SITE says more than one of them is “related to Dagestan” and were initially uploaded to YouTube by the “Vilayat Dagestan,” indicating jihadists disseminated the videos.
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Truth
Maybe these foreign terrorists would have been more pro-America if they had lived in a highly liberal area focused on tolerance. Oh, wait.
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) April 19, 2013
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They sure had more plans
MORE: 7 IEDs recovered in the searches so far, some in Watertown & some at the house in Cambridge, police officials say
— NBC Nightly News (@nbcnightlynews) April 19, 2013
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New York Times Publishes & Then Revises Article Mocked as Too Sympathetic to Boston Bomber Suspects
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Bias? Come on….
Backpedal-palooza: Left no longer wants to speculate about bombers’ motives
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#BREAKING: Many shots fired in Watertown, WCVB’s @wcvbkelleyt reports. Live video: on.wcvb.com/XPieWS
— WCVB-TV Boston (@WCVB) April 19, 2013
Multiple shots fired in Watertown. A body has been found on a boat inbackyard. #wcvb
— Kristen Setera (@KristenWCVB) April 19, 2013
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Latest information to @cbsnews is that man in the boat in Watertown is definitely alive and there is movement.
— Major Garrett(@MajorCBS) April 19, 2013
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I bet a few Watertown residents today wish they had a firearm…
Just a couple of wild and crazy Islamist Chechens. You know a lot of left wing media pundits are kicking the cat and yelling at their domestic partner today.
What? according to sheik Obama and his cast of blithering idiots, the Muslims love us. Al Quaida and so forth are defeated. Why I thought it was a bunch of right wing hacks ticked off about taxes and guns. Man, I guess I shouldn’t turn on the TV. Lo and behold, they’re apparently American hating Muslim fanatics. Who would have thought such a thing being as they don’t fit the profile of what the leftist propaganda industry was putting out there.
They sound like real conservatives don’t they? Yet another black mark in the “journalistic” career of Tingles Matthews at MSNBC. They’ll probably still give him a X-Mas bonus for his efforts for trying to use others’ misery to promote his agenda. A low life piece of shit if there ever was one.
Two school mates of one or the other brother have been interviewed on TV.
Both admitted to recognizing them at once when the FBI photos were made public.
Neither one called in the FBI to tell them the name of either man!
Why?
One said that in school they had a slogan: diversity.
As a result he wanted to give his school mate the benefit of the doubt ….and a head start.
The other said the guy was so sweet she just couldn’t put the man on him.
So, at least the one life could have been saved…..but these people kept their mouths shut and allowed another murder.
@joetote: No amount of deflection can change fact.Islam is toxic to the West,Liberal tolerance for it does nothing to change that.Radical Chechens? They glory in the beliefs of Jihad and weaponize themselves.Yet we have a Left that is so invested in the fallacy peddled by Obama that rational,cogent thought is impossible.Radical Islam is STILL the true threat to America.Mr.Obama’s claims otherwise ring empty.We dodged a bullet here and the threat of a coordinated Beslan styled attack against a semi-rural heartland school is more probable as the border security continues to deteriorate. culture
@Nan G:
That is absolutely untrue. I heard the same interview. The kid said he and his friends thought he looked like the suspect, but weren’t sure, couldn’t imagine he could do such a thing. Stupid, yes, but your accusation of willfully attempting to help him escape is your typical BS spin.
@EBL:
You’re an idiot.
@Tom:
You might have heard the same guy but a different interview.
The interview I heard he said the slogan they had at school was: diversity.
He said there was no way he would name him to the police/FBI because he couldn’t imagine the guy he went to school with had really done all of that….in other words, the bombing couldn’t have been his handiwork.
He did NOT say he didn’t for sure recognize the photo…..he did.
He said he found it incredible that the guy he went to school with was a bomber.
He may have called into several media outlets.
@Nan G:
which is a hell of a lot different than your accusation that the guy believed he did it and didn’t call the FBI because he wanted to help him escape, give him “a head start”. I don’t get your habitual need to jazz everything up.
@Tom:
Look, you might not like it but IF Eric Maccado had called the FBI or police at least with the name of his schoolmate, whether he believed he was a ringleader or not, he would have saved at least the MIT officer’s life and maybe his schoolmate’s brother’s life as well.
By not calling Eric gave his old buddy a head start.
And two more are dead.
Another old classmate admitted on TV to doing drugs with the younger brother.
Said he was an amicable guy who had lots of friends.
Said he, too, didn’t call authorities until after the fact of the MIT and older brother’s death.
“Parallel universe” point, Nan G. Just because they could put a name to a face as a suspect doesn’t mean authorities would know they were at MIT. Where they really could get a grip on where their whereabouts was with the 7-11 robbery, as security cameras would show it were the same two. But even that wouldn’t be an instantaneous bit of information.
Just because LEOs know their names doesn’t mean they know where they are, or headed, anywhere in the State.
There’s really no need for a personal assault on those who recognized them as it probably came as enough of a shock to wonder if they could have been mistaken in identity. And the same could be said for the family members.
@Nan G:
No shit. If you can”t understand the difference between making a boneheaded decision (or floundering in indecision) and intentionally trying to aid a fugitive, I don’t know what to tell you. You accused the kid of knowingly withholding information from the FBI to help a terrorist; I’m saying he’s a bonehead who made a mistake. There is a large difference.
@MataHarley:
Mata, and Tom, both of you are politically astute to recall Obama and Biden’s very recent remarks about how people MUST do what they can to save even one life.
It was this January:
‘As the president said, if your actions result in only saving one life, they’re worth taking,” Vice President Joe Biden declared.
Sure, knowing the names of the murderers might not have stopped the MIT murder hours later.
But it might have.
The photos came out in the early afternoon.
The MIT murder was late that night.
I know and approve of keeping being a good Samaritan voluntary.
@Tom:
If you can’t understand that after three people are murdered, dozens have lost limbs due to shrapnel wounds and scores of people have had their lives destroyed, that it is better to err on the side of caution, you’re the bonehead.
@retire05:
Try finding a three year old to read this thread. Maybe he or she could then explain it to you.
@Nan G:
Nan, I don’t know how many times I have to explain this to you. I don’t disagree the kid should have called. I disagree with your illogical jump to ascribing him a sinister motive. I can’t think of another way to explain this to you if you still don’t understand.
@MataHarley:
Good point. Also, I would wager that the FBI received multiple, if not dozens, of calls almost immediately. The kid has lived in the area for some time, he wasn’t a transient, he wasn’t a loner, and he went to a large high school (more than 1,500 students). He was shown in multiple photographs and wasn’t disguised (he was described in one interview with an acquaintance as wearing the clothes and hat in his everyday style). The FBI web site was getting 300,000 hits per second when they posted the pictures. Everyone near a television or computer in the Boston area saw those pictures almost immediately. The idea that Eric Marcado’s hesitation somehow allowed any of the subsequent events to transpire is beyond implausible.
@Tom:
If I am looking for a three year old (at least mentally), I know where to find you, Tom.
As usual the cynical right jump on this loaded with all their usual parrot points of Muslims, immigration reform, gun control laws, benghazi, etc. Shameless.
Seems the FBI also spoke to the older brother two years ago.
Obama’s peeps did not connect the dots.
A foreign country warned the US that the older bro was radicalized.
I guess that explains why Obama keeps setting back his TV time on this.
What can Obama say?
Radical Muslim Terrorism!!
Suspect in custody per police scanner
@Tom: I’m so glad he’s alive.
We would have been robbed of learning so much about his motives and craziness had he been killed.
As federal charges are pending against him he can get the death penalty, too.
@Nan G:
I agree. It will be interesting to find out if this goes deeper than two self-radicalized knuckleheads. His living is also inconvenient for Alex Jones and the pathetic false flag crowd.
Shall we now reevaluate our immigration plans, or should we import more Jihadis?
Shall we refer to these homicidal maniacs as terrorists or should we consider this to be local violence.
Unfortunately for the Left, they aren’t White Christians and it will be difficult to spin lies that will gain traction, not that B. Frank hasn’t already tried. Rather than going all out to make millions of unskilled illegal aliens into Americans, at a time when so many Americans aren’t working, maybe we better take another look our potentially devastating mistakes of the past, like importing Jihad into this country.
@Skookum:
That’s a terrible knee-jerk reaction. This guy is an American citizen and has been here most his life. He’s not some trained terrorist who was sent over to do this. Don’t let two evil asshats be the impetus for hurting good people. One of my colleagues, and a good friend, took his citizenship test last week. The guy is as hard working, moral, patriotic, straight-arrow a person as you’ll ever meet. He was thrilled to have the honor. When he told me about the test and his preparation, I told him he knows more about America and the Constitution than 90% of the native born citizens, and I bet I’m right. Why hurt someone like him?
Precisely Tom, why hurt someone like him and why import bastards like these.
We have a broken immigration policy that is based on almost nothing for standards, and this is the result.
We should ask some of the victims who had their legs blown off about knee jerk reactions. Let’s see if Obama crowds these victims around his podium to push for his immigration reform. Where the woman who is in charge of securing the border has said it has never been more secure, so in essence, securing the border will continue to be a joke.
These bastards’ uncle is ashamed, but how many more will they inspire.
Are we supposed to pretend Jihad doesn’t exist, like our president?
@Tom:
#1: good people don’t sneak into our nation illegally
#2: evil asshats? You can’t even call them what they are; radical jihadists who worship a pedophile prophet and want nothing more than to kill, and maim, Americans.
@Tom: But Tom, that wasn’t a legitimate argument when gun control was the subject…
@Scott in Oklahoma:
Scott, I’m feeling a little bit mentally drained and I’m missing your point. Pretend to pretend you think I’m an idiot and elaborate, please.
@Tom: This part Tom: ‘This guy is an American citizen and has been here most his life. He’s not some trained terrorist who was sent over to do this. Don’t let two evil asshats be the impetus for hurting good people.”
Have a good night.
@Tom:
No pretense needed when thinking you’re an idiot.
@retire05:
Bitter old hateful lady, I think you forgot your meds, and to respond to this.
@retire05: Don’t you know that liberals always make
to quote an expert!
@Skookum: Skook, wouldn’t your life be much simpler if you were a liberal? You could say anything you want and think it has real meaning. You could make major decisions without having to consider the unintended consequences. You could sleep well at night knowing in your mind that the conservatives are to blame for everything except for those things that Bush is to be blamed!
You would have to drink Kool-Aid all day instead of a good home brew or an aged Scotch. Do you think a lobotomy would hurt much? You wouldn’t need to bother having a gun to protect yourself during an armed break-in since the police would be there within 20 minutes or so. You would have to make sure you had psychological counseling services on your governmental health care plan when your 15 year old daughter came home hysterical after having an abortion without needing your approval or any pre-abortion conciling. Wouldn’t your life be so much better and easier if you only had to slap a few words down on a blog to feel superior to everyone else?
@Randy: I’ve thought about what it would take to be a Liberal or to drive around with an Obama Biden sticker on my bumper. I would need to agree with our president, that the best way to change America would be to bring in uneducated and unskilled workers to insure a continuous stream of Democrat voters; that it is best to deny terror exists; it makes sense to give away $1.5 billion dollars, F-16 fighters, and 300 Abrahms Battle Tanks to our enemy who wants to destroy our all; that it is best to encourage alQaeda in their war against Assad, who has never taken a stand against Israel.
Is it no wonder we have young Muslims in this country wanting to help Obama in his personal Jihad?
On second thought, Randy, I was born a Conservative and I will die a Conservative. I have yet to call the police for anything, imagine that! So I don’t really care how fast they respond to a break-in. If robbers survive the dogs and then me, they deserve what ever it is they need so bad. Yep, I am a Conservative.
Nobody is a radical muslim unless obama declares them one, and he hasn’t done that yet.
@Smorgasbord: #37,
Charges haven’t yet been laid, however, this will be a test of the Administration’s will on the “public safety” exception to Miranda rights. Judges and lawyers seem to not have all been blessed with common sense, however, a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist, and this is a terrorist – trampling on his rights is NOT trampling down a slippery slope against anyone else’s rights.
@James Raider: James, Miranda may not be a problem, although the press will try to make it one because of a lack of understanding about how it actually applies (not the TV version). The only time Miranda comes into play is during questioning after the defendant is in custody AND if the information obtained is used in court as evidence of the defendant’s guilt or participation in the case in question. Law enforcement can wring the defendant out for intelligence information as long as it’s not presented in trial. That’s the short version, I used to teach other law enforcement folks arrest, search and seizure stuff in conjunction with some other basic and advanced criminal investigation and prosecution courses related to criminal street gangs, motorcycle gangs and organized crime. What you see on TV and movies is far from the actual requirements, I had a hard time getting rookie cops to understand that.
@Scott in Oklahoma: #39,
While I appreciate the implementation of the law, even the flexibility which has more recently been afforded under the application of ‘miranda,’ there is broader concern which relates to the fact that although this is a terrorist, he is evidently a terrorist of the Muslim Jihadist variety.
As you know, this Administration and its protective MSM, has held a very misguided, muddled and confusing policy toward the Middle East which has, IMHO, helped in the creation through conversion, of a major Sharia state in Egypt. Egypt became a Sharia state in December, and as you may also know, it passed a socialist constitution which statists of the Obama Administration would envy. Egypt will completely disintegrate – that clock has started ticking.
Morsy and his ‘brotherhood’ have sealed Egypt’s fate. Freedom and prosperity now have no chance of revisiting this large Muslim country.
American taxpayer cash is funding a socialist government working against everything America stands for. If you have time to scare yourself out of a good night’s sleep, you can read an English Version of Egypt’s New Constitution here.
Obama’s handlers probably relish Article 62, and are anxiously awaiting the day when they can enact the likes of Articles 18, and 27, but there are gems that can’t be ignored like Articles 67, and 71. Marx is getting one hell-of-a-laugh at this whole unraveling.
Soooo, . . . I’m not convinced this Administration is up to the challenge of slamming this despicable terrorist into tomorrow, miranda or no miranda. It will be a sideshow to witness how it protects/defends its active restraint of the FBI and the CIA . . . . recall Benghazi, as well as its refusal to ‘act’.
@Scott in Oklahoma:
So friggin true…its unbelievable how movies and tv have influenced people that you would think were smart enough to know the difference.
@James Raider: @James Raider: #38
I forgot to put the “LOL” after my #37 post. I meant it sarcastically. You will never hear obama call either of them a terrorist.
@Curt: #41
My daughter gave her mom and I a compliment when she told me she was glad we explained things to her about what was going on in shows and movies. She said she was going to do the same with her kids. We tried to let our kids know when we saw something that we thought wouldn’t happen in real life. Examples would be when stunts are done. We would explain how the person who did it had special equipment on, and trained for the stunt, and the average person would be hurt or killed if they did something like that.
That was all we were concerned about back then. Now, we have to pay attention to what is said in each show and movie. Whenever I hear a negative comment about the Tea Party, conservatives, guns, or anything on the liberal agenda, I make a note not to watch that show again, and usually don’t watch that network again. This is one way we can protest the propaganda entertainment industry. Watching their brainwashing propaganda only encourages them to produce more of it. They are paid by the ratings. The lower the ratings, the less they are paid. If the ratings are low enough, the show is cancelled. Help cancel the propaganda shows and movies by not watching them.
Anyone who lets their kids watch TV or the movies without ever watching it with them is allowing the propaganda entertainment industry to brainwash them to be ready when the government finally wants to take full control of everyone’s lives. If you have MTV, and haven’t watched it, watch it with your kids and see if you want them growing up with that stuff.
@Smorgasbord: #43,
It’s been some years since I have had my feet in a classroom for any purpose. I have recently been educated by my granddaughter as to the level of brainwashing propaganda resonating in our classrooms.
It takes much energy to restrain oneself, and to “explain,” then attempt to carefully redirect the thinking or perceptions which teachers seem to unabashedly implant in the very young minds in their care.
Open, regular and ‘involved’ discussions with our young ones are imperative if we are to balance the ideological conditioning which the educational system is spreading.
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-75546585/
All of a sudden we’ve got ooze coming out of the woodwork on these guys.
Domestic abuse,
Arrests,
FBI questioning,
Russia worried,
etc.
Still Obama holds back on motive.
Not the same guy who couldn’t wait to weigh in with ”the police acted stupidly,” or, ”if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.”
Islam sure has a muzzle in Obama’s mouth.
@James Raider: #44
If a school uses Common Core for their curriculum, they are being brainwashed into socialism. Can you believe a lot of high schoolers don’t know who Margaret Thatcher was? They don’t teach things like this in a lot of schools. Parents, find out what your school is teaching, and not teaching.
This reminds me of the time I talked with a high school age boy, and told him the USA is not a democracy. It is a republic. He looked at me and asked, “What’s a republic?” One thing we can do to help defeat the spread of liberalism is to call the USA the republic that it is. If someone asked why you call it a republic, you can tell them.
@James Raider: I was only explaining the application of Miranda, as it applies in this case. I believe we’re on the same page as far as our views in general about the Obama regime , radical Islam and a lot of other current “events”.
Heh… recall Beghazi… yeah, I am still wondering what the government told those 30 witness / victims, their family and their friends to silence them. No other situation involving this government has been so well protected in the last 5 years, the reasons must be so evil, perditious and nefarious that revelation would result in much more than just simple impeachments.
OBAMA
ACCEPTED MORE OF THEM since he was elected than before,
now you see the new generation joining the TERRORIST directly from SCHOOL.
WHY this limitless traffic of haters coming in the USA,
OBAMA said he want to change AMERICA forever
he sure did and the ripple on the OCEAN he promissed is now the color of blood
Repeat statistic, by the way: http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/04/19/467384/chart-right-wing-extremism-terror-threat-oklahoma-city/?mobile=nc
The real reason statistics are skewed in the USA is media cover-up.
For instance, this last Easter.
Man fatally shot outside of Ohio church after Easter service
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/31/shooting-reported-outside-ohio-church/#ixzz2RCdPCBoG
Ohio Church Shooting: ‘It was a Nightmare’
“He killed his own father at the entrance of the church,” said Steve Sargent.
http://fox8.com/2013/03/31/pastor-after-church-shooting-it-was-a-nightmare/
Son shoots father at Ohio church’s Easter service
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/31/shooting-ohio-church/2040929/
Not until nearly TWO WEEKS LATER:
Media buries Islamic connection to Easter Sunday church shooting….
It was revealed just yesterday during court testimony that the shooter in the Easter church murder in Ashtabula, Ohio was a Muslim and carried a Koran during the crime.
Afer killing his father Riddle then, according to witnesses, approached the pulpit, waving a handgun and yelling about God and Allah.
Reshad Riddle walked through the church, still holding the gun, and yelled that the killing was “the will of Allah. This is the will of God.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/media-buries-fact-shooter-had-koran-during-easter-sunday-church-shooting
In the US there are loads of Islamic acts of terror that are not reported as such.
Sometimes they get reported later, as in the case I cited.
Most of the time not at all in the mainstream media.
and they are in a hurry to make immigration laws, in a time ,
where the PEOPLE cannot find work, when there are no jobs, why let 11millions in
this AMERICA where the FRAMERS wrote the LAWS, THE CONSTITUTION
specifictly for AMERICANS,
why the sudden RUSH, they look so much in a hurry, it look like it’s for their own benefits,
not the IMMIGRANT benefits