The conservasphere has been having a field day with this one. In case you haven’t seen it yet, MSNBC has a new “Lean Forward” ad campaign featuring on-air personality Melissa Harris-Perry weighing in on public education, and how it relates to children and their families:
“We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we’ve always had a private notion of children, your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven’t had a very collective notion of these are our children. So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it’s everybody’s responsibility and not just the household’s we start making better investments.”
Where to begin with the creepiness of this? Or that some executive at MSNBC thought a clip like this would bolster the network’s credibility as a serious news organization? As my regular readers know I don’t write about topics where someone else smarter than me has already weighed in, so I’ll give you the best analysis I’ve caught so far. The guys over at Trifecta – Scott Ott, Steven Green & Bill Whittle give this bit of intellectual effluent the ridicule it so thoroughly deserves. The video is well worth taking nine minutes to watch.
For those of you who didn’t watch the video, the most damning argument against her view is the reality of educational spending in the United States. The problem is not that money isn’t being spent, it’s that it’s being spent on the kind of people who, well, probably spent too much time taking classes learning the kind of worthless grievance mongering that Harris-Perry teaches.
So when the controversy broke, Harris-Perry did what any sensible leftist would do when caught saying something dumb – she doubled down on stupid:
“So those of you who were alarmed by the ad can relax. I have no designs on taking your children. Please keep your kids! But I understand the fear. We do live in a nation where slaveholders took the infants from the arms of my foremothers and sold them for their own profit. We do live in a nation where the government snatched American Indian children from their families and “re-educated” them by forbidding them to speak their language and practice their traditions. But that is not what I was talking about, and you know it.”
Translation: “I have very strong views on this subject, and when you present me with facts that contradict my beliefs it hurts my feelings.”
So where does the title of my post come in? A while back I wrote about the hypocrisy of the left on environmental issues by using the “Chicken Hawk” term:
I’m just glad that Foghorn Leghorn isn’t raising me!
One term that the left liked to use in criticism of anyone who disagreed with Kerry, and more specifically, also supported the war in Iraq was a “Chicken Hawk.” The term was a play on the “Hawks vs. Doves” argument in terms of one’s view of warfare, and was referring to the pro-war Hawks being too chicken to enlist. When you get down to it, it probably wasn’t the best term for what was trying to be conveyed, since chicken hawks are birds of prey, not to mention the name of one of the coolest Warner Brothers characters drawn in the Bugs Bunny cartoons. The intended meaning was directed toward anyone of fighting age or with children of fighting age who were not serving in Iraq. The basic message was that the leftists were justified in opposing the war because they were trying to bring the troops back home beside them. If you supported the war and weren’t volunteering to enlist and personally throw yourself on an IED or have your sons do so you had no moral standing to support the war.
I use the Chicken Hawk term for anyone out there who is spouting this “It takes a village” vomit about raising a child. It takes a parent, preferably two. In fairness to Harris-Perry, there is small bit of truth to what she says. When Sister Babe and I were looking for a home a huge factor was finding a good neighborhood to raise children. The schools in the area ranked high on our list, as did the neighborhood, what places were in driving or walking distance, etc. And I can see where the notion that children belonging to the state goes hand in hand with leftist notions of responsibility. As I summed up our differences in philosophy a while back:
Conservative: “I should do something to help”
Leftist: “Someone else should be forced to do something to help”
But no matter how much we love our community, the school teachers, and our neighbors, at the end of the day the ones responsible for raising any children are their parents. You’re not the one getting up to feed my baby when he’s crying at 4:00 AM, you’re not the one who’s carrying around a 15 pound dead weight when he’s fussing, you sure as (dung) aren’t the one who carried and gave birth to him. If you want to raise a kid, raise a kid yourself. Don’t tell me how mine “belongs” to you and your statist friends. Or as @iowahawk tweeted, “Feminists: “don’t like abortion? Fine, don’t have one.” Me: “want to raise children? Fine, make your own.””
Out of curiosity I looked Harris Perry’s web site to see what she’s doing these days. In addition to having a show on MSNBC, she is also a teacher at Tulane University, an author, and of course, professional victimhood advocate as the founding Director of the Anna Julia Cooper Project on Gender, Race, and Politics in the South. That’s a lot to do for anyone, but I also checked around and saw that she has a daughter who is around ten years old. One thing parenting quickly teaches everyone is humility and not to judge other parents, but maybe if instead of juggling so many projects she spent more time being a mother she wouldn’t see such a great need for state ownership of her child? I have no idea of what her husband’s role is in raising their daughter, but when they got married he knew what he was getting into (the daughter was from a first marriage). Hopefully he plays a more active role than the state in raising the girl? Being a parent means a lot of sacrifices, and actually trying to be a good parent means a lot more sacrifice. I sincerely hope that their family has found that right balance that works for them. And of course, this entire discussion raises a very uncomfortable question for leftist thought: How come for the first nine months of life a child is nothing more than “a choice” for a woman to make, but after birth it belongs to the community?
And don’t worry, Ms. Harris-Perry. I can assure you that I’m taking an active role in raising Baby Bob. After all, someone has to help prepare him for the day when he sits in the classroom being taught by one of your disciples.
Cross posted from Brother Bob’s Blog
I have to wonder how Ms. Harris-Perry felt about all of those ”teachers” and school administrators who were so pathetic at their jobs that they held pizza parties and wore gloves while they corrected the answers on the papers of all their students?
More money was the point…..not teaching the kids a darn thing!
They cheated both the taxpayers AND the children.
And not one of them said a thing about how they could do a better job teaching.
It was not even on their radar.
BTW, almost every one of those going into custody for this also had ancestors who were slaves.
That fact affords no special righteousness.
One mustn’t let our possible Pres. Candidate Hillary off the hook on this one. after all, according to her it “Takes a Village” to raise your children. The infringement into parental rights has been going on for so long now that the left now speaks of it openly and actually quite sneeringly!
@joetote: Apparently Hillary must also believe that it takes a village to satisfy a husband. =8^)
One thing that serving in the military teaches you is that most politicians who blithely suggest the use of military force have absolutely no idea of what that might cost, in either human terms or treasure. Therefore, the perjorative of “Chickenhawk” is entirely appropriate for people like Dick Cheney, who quickly reminded those who asked about his own military service that he “had other priorities at the time.”
It’s always taken more than even two parents to raise children. In times past, we had extended family such as aunts, uncles, grandmothers, grandfathers, and others to assist with the process. Even our founders recognized the shared duty we all have for properly raising children into good and productive adult citizens. That’s why Jefferson himself advocated mandatory public education and why we still get a tax break for kids.
@SkippingDog: I don’t suppose you’ve ever asked why our last two presidents from the Democrat party never served in the military themselves? I take it protesting our military and/or getting stoned qualify as legitimate “other priorities?”
And would you really want your own children being indoctrinated by someone like Harris?
Brother Bob –
It was actually our last three Presidents who didn’t serve in the military, since 43 finagled his way through his daddy’s connections into the Texas Air Guard during the Vietnam war and then effectively deserted his post.
I think you’d find that our most recent Democratic presidents were conscious of their obligation to use military force as a last resort extension of diplomacy, a basic concept that seems to have been lost to the Republican chickenhawks of the most recent governing generation.
There’s nothing in either the article or Harris’ statements to suggest she would be “indoctrinating” anyone, so I’m not at all clear about where you pulled that little tidbit from. She merely said children were too important to our nation and our future to rely only on the resources of their parents for education. Thomas Jefferson would have agreed with her.
Skip, do you have proof to your claim or do you want to be Dan Rather?
After the Dan Rather nonsense quieted down, Irons, there were many other people who pulled GWB’s service records and asked the kind of questions you folks so dislike. Here’s just one account, accompanied by citations for original source materials that document his absences from duty. Pay particular attention to the period of 1971 to 1973, when he seems to have just disappeared from his newly assigned unit.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_W._Bush%27s_military_service
If you don’t like these sources, there are plenty more available if you just take the time to run a quick search. The bottom line is that GWB failed to complete his service obligation, received additional unearned service points for reasons unknown (but his family connections couldn’t have hurt) and then pretended to be an honorable service veteran.
Facts are stubborn things.
So you use a wiki page whose references go right back to the fake papers Dan got fired over? Nice try, please try again. FYI there were court hearings over your point, and guess what those who made your claims failed in court to try and prove Bush’s military history and desertion happened.
@Mr. Irons:
It’s not a wiki page and it has plenty of original source material referenced for you to check out the claims. Are you really so incurious that you don’t even want to know about any information that might conflict with your opinion? That’s the mark of ignorance, not strength.
It’s a wiki page, or are you unfamiliar with how wiki hosts extra content for other .orgs? And keep howling on a myth pup, its fun watching your logic stream together.
@Mr. Irons: So look at the same material over at FactCheck or even on the wingnut Free Republic. No matter how you look at any of it, GWB slipped and slid his way into, through, and out of the Texas Air Guard because his dad was a congressman and he didn’t have either the courage or patriotism to go serve in Vietnam like so many others of his age were doing at the time. That’s a Chickenhawk, any way you parse it.
Here are some real source for you since you wish to sit in ignorance
Here is a key tip to you, the man was a 1st Lt. If he was a deserter as you foolishly claim then the Military Police would have tracked and detained him for court martial hearings.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/11-1_2004_Personnel_File.pdf
For your entertainment, file a Freedom of Information Act request to get his discharge papers from the Military and all Disciplinary materials, you’ll be in for a real treat… if you can cope with reality.
I’ve had the joys of sitting in the federal court watching the releasing of the information to parties requesting it due to a Political Science Class.
@Mr. Irons: Did you notice the report by Lawrence Korb of the Reagan administration? Even the people doing the review of the “personal file” had questions about his service, with several ranking officers stating that his commander at the time was derelict in not referring Bush’s absences and lack of required service to criminal investigators. Just another example of how his whole life has been based on nothing more than a low-average IQ and a lot of his dad’s political influence. Here’s one for you, but it’s the last I’ll be exchanging with you tonight about this particular ChickenHawk. Your belligerent ignorance about the facts suggests that GWB holds some place of great stature in your head, so have at it. At least the President who was our Commander in Chief when we were subject to a surprise attack by the terrorists on his watch is no longer able to cause harm. The Republicans don’t even want to claim him anymore.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/08/bush_fell_short_on_duty_at_guard/
Yes, I’m familiar with the Reagan situation and did you also know it also had to go to court and the Courts dismissed the claims?
Now you’re grasping at sand to fill your fantasies.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-21-guard-scoops-skepticism_x.htm
@Mr. Irons: Funny that the records you attached don’t include any service or training point pages for the late ’71, ’72, or ’73 periods of his obligation, since those are the periods in which he disappeared to Alabama and never reported for duty at his station there, as far as anyone can remember or find records for.
@Mr. Irons: You’re still using Rather to refute the facts? You are a dead-ender, aren’t you?
There’s plenty of facts about GWB independent from Rathergate. Those are just so much more inconvenient for you.
@Mr. Irons: The courts dismissed Rather’s claim that he was wrongfully terminated to prevent political attacks on his network. There was never any factual finding about the GWB claims or records.
Then why don’t you file a Freedom of Information Act instead of using crank locations for faux information?
And defend Rather all you like, but he took the lie about Bush and ran with it blindly. Just kinda like you.
@Mr. Irons: No reason to file a FOIA request when respectable organizations like the Boston Globe do it for us and provide not only extensive analysis but also direct comments from his former commanders and Republican officials from previous administrations who know about military commitments and political influence.
Oh but you’ll love what you find about Alabama…
The full military document dump from the FOIA will list him given permission to report to Colonel William Turnipseed and there are records of him at base in 1972 and 73 at Dannelly.
The argument that he went AWOL came from people who never liked the man and sought any means to paint him a felon to defunct him of his seat as President, and frankly they failed to do be successful as the Military Police in Texas and Alabama never sought Bush for violations (REAL key issue here as I am currently ITAR issued contract worker and deal with MP constantly.)
You talk of ignorance, but please examine your own “facts” before leaping into subjects.
@Mr. Irons: How do you like temp work?
It’s not Temp work, but hey guess you like being in ignorance.
ITAR Contract means I’m bound to follow laws tending to trade of military assets between allies of the United States.
@Mr. Irons: You’re the one who said you’re a contract worker. That makes you a temp.
Come on folks, feeding the trolls bandwidth does no good without an “ignore” button.
Of course the statists want control of the children, why do you think their first priority in the 60’s was the take over of the schools and media? Meanwhile, both parents have to work to pay the increased cost of taxes like Obamacare giving the statists more unfettered access to the kids.
The only think transparent about them is their desire for power.
@Brother Bob: I’m still laughing!!!
The right wing is always blaming other people for the problem. How about standing up and saying ” conservatives abandoned public schools and left only liberals there to influence our kids” You want better teachers, well change jobs and teach.
Translation: She has no experience raising children. She has no time nor inclination to do so, so she farms it out to strangers. If she can force every other parent to do the same, then she’s not a bad person.
Like most ‘progressives,’ she prefers to reproduce by turning other families’ children into leftist pod people.
The colloquy on this thread is less than enlightening.
I noted with amusement that Ms Harris-Perry “weighed in” on the issue of child rearing. Friends should not allow friends with no weight to weigh in on issues where they have little information.
Our current Public “School” system does little to prepare our young people to read, write, compute, or think. I speak as an adjunct math professor at a two-year college. Many of my students cannot do fractions, proportions, or ratios. They have no idea how their taxes are computed. They cannot read a gas bill or an electric bill. They know how they ought to feel on many hot-button issues. But they have no idea how to determine the validity of various opinions on those issues.
We would be better off teaching students how to read, write, and compute, and leave the social indoctrination to interest groups. That way our “graduates” would be able to do SOMETHING other than whine, opine, and demonstrate.
Obama has played hookie all his life.
He admitted (in his ”auto” biographies) playing hookie all through school.
An Occidental College administrator pointed out that, had Obama not dropped many classes he played too much hookie during, Obama’s GPA from there would have been a D or low C.
In the week leading up to the embassy attacks on 9/11′s anniversary, Obama played hookie on every single national security briefing.
Obama played hookie on Memorial Day.
When Obama shows up he still dithers for as long as humanly possible.
@mathman: But our government is opposed to allowing children to be taught HOW to think rather than WHAT to think.
Case in point: a German family is getting deported because the main reason they came here was to have the freedom to home school their own children!
(Home schooling has been illegal in Germany since 1918.)
These kids are SMART!
Their parents are, too.
But illegals whose dumb progeny will clog the public schools are being welcomed with open arms.
I am really bothered by the “chicken hawk” thing.
Ever since I was a little kid, I have looked up (heh–literally, it occurs to me–when I was a little kid I had to go to the movies to see him) to the Chicken Hawk–a little kid with a clear-if-misunderstood mission and goal, taking on the biggest people in his universe.
Excellent parting shot, BroBob.
Also — I took SkippingDog’s use of the word (so inevitably) “daddy” in reference to GWB’s “father” as a cue to quit reading any further comments by SkippingDog.
What a tell that is.
Libs never, when given the chance, refuse the opportunity to show their complete contempt for the concept of fatherhood and family.
Even more ironic is that Dear Leader can’t really call anyone “father”, let alone the childish “daddy”.
@SkippingDog: I’ll bet you also have solid evidence that George Bush and/or Israel were behind the 9/11 attacks, too. Not that we’re interested. But I am more curious in your own parenting – how much responsibility for raising your own kids did/do you entrust to the rest of the community? And given your belief how much did you contribute to raising the rest of your community’s children?
@JustAl: Thanks for the “Please don’t feed the Troll” public service announcement. Granted, I just violated that myself… =8^)
The leftist desire for power is only transparent to those of us willing to see it. Lefties sincerely believe that they are doing good work, but as I’ve argued before leftism isn’t about helping people – it’s about controlling them.
@joetote: Thanks for the props – glad you enjoyed the post!
@john: On one level I plan to be a better teacher – I’m being a parent to Baby Bob. To take your idea to a more practical level, if you want our kids to have better teachers, let us choose which schools they attend.
@WmTSherman: I’m guessing that you’re correct about Harris’ interest in being an actual parent to her daughter, but without any evidence either way I have to give her the benefit of the doubt. I know I don’t want anyone who googles me & Sister Babe to make assumptions about how we’re raising Baby Bob. For the kid’s sake I sincerely hope that Harris found a good balance of parenting between her, her husband and their daughter’s father. This could be an interesting story to follow up on in 10-15 years to see if her daughter follows in her mother’s parasitic footsteps or decides to become a productive member of society.
@mathman: That is truly sad to hear, as we hear too many similar stories to yours. The right really needs to run with Educational Freedom for school children.
@Nan G: Would you expect anything less from anyone as lazy as our Community Organizer in Chief?
@Larry Sheldon: My apologies for any offense taken. Although I do point out in my original posting what a bad choice the “Chicken Hawk” name is, given how that little cartoon bird kicks more a** than a donkey!
@JDR-Taq: Yeah, too many on the left want to preach to us about raising our kids – I think the @Iowahawk quote said it all: “Feminists: “don’t like abortion? Fine, don’t have one.” Me: “want to raise children? Fine, make your own.””
So credible of you to take the position of Rush Limbaugh. Your party is over.
@JDR-Taq: “Daddy” is a term of endearment for most of you Southern crackers, so I’m surprised you would think it inappropriate. In fact, GWB himself referred to his “daddy” when he was struggling to articulate his antipathy toward Saddam Hussein and Iraq instead of dealing with the terrorists and Taliban in Afghanistan who had actually provided a training site for the 9/11 group.
@John & Skipping Dog: I’m still curious as to how you’re raising your own children, and more importantly, what are you doing to raise everyone else’s children in your community? I’m going out on a limb and guessing that you’re neighbors aren’t breaking down your door begging you to raise their kids.
@Brother Bob: I know that Catholic schools with nuns in charge are the best early learning institutions. They are second to home schooling. I’m close to retiring and have volunteered my time to teaching my grand son. Hopefully, he too will be an engineer.
May I use your metaphor- It takes a village to satisfy Bill Clinton.
@Brother Bob: My children are now adults, but we made sure they had a lot of interaction with their community throughout their formative years. Between their involvement in school, church, scouts, music lessons, sports, time with relatives, and time spent with other adults who were involved in positive activities for our community, my kids got a pretty good foundation which has served them well as young adults.
I’ve worked as a scout leader, Sunday school teacher, and local volunteer with groups like Meals on Wheels to both contribute to our community and provide a positive role model. I was also a little league coach for two years, during which time we focused not only on baseball fundamentals, but also team commitment and good sportsmanship.
How about yours?
@SkippingDog: Yet with all this wisdom and experience, you are trolling a political blog like an infant, derailing the argument into the realm of a popular leftist conspiracy theory?
Doesn’t lend you much clout as a great parent, does it.
Questioning W’s service is the lib equivalent of being a “birther.” Add something to the conversation rather than pulling it into the media-induced hate points we all have to suffer from the under-thinking mob on a regular basis. Otherwise, you’re only proving the points of the writers and posters at this site.
The Brother Bob point of view clearly is that it’s an abhorrent concept, the antithesis of freedom, to spend taxpayer’s money on children in trouble when there’s still time to help them, but it’s our blind duty to spend multiples of the same investment on incarcerating antisocial and maladjusted adolescents and adults later on. I’ve never seen one post on Flopping Aces lamenting the cost of incarcerating over 2 million Americans, at a cost of over $30,000 a year per person, but talk about spending a dime of tax payer money on housing, or nutrition, or education, or health care for a child, and all of a sudden you’re “forcing” someone to help, so move against it.
@Nathan Blue: Sorry, Nathan. Comparing GWB’s failure to complete his service is nothing remotely like the nuts who claim President Obama is unqualified for office by the circumstances of his birth. That’s what is known as a false equivalency.
As to your question about my own motives, suffice it to say I’m a victim of the empty nest syndrome. My kids, retirement, and family are all doing as well as humanly possible, so I devote a small portion of my time to debunking right-wing nonsense and trying to get my countrymen to focus on rational and realistic assessments of both our national circumstances and the realistic methods by which we might make some improvements to our country.
@SkippingDog</Americans for x sake: You”re heading to 17 trillion in debt and with unfunded liabilities of over 100 trillion. You have slaughtered over 56 million unborn and you are trying to improve the American society with your feel good social programs. Mr Skipping Responsibility, you are destroying your country. Are you getting something for nothing?
I’m watching this debacle, 300 miles from your border
@oil guy from Alberta: So your point is that we shouldn’t bother to do anything else to try and improve our society or nation unless or until we prohibit abortions again and pay off our national debt? Both of those are certainly issues we must face in one way or another, but that hardly means we should neglect all others in the meantime.
You sir lack any scope to your vision.
I’m also curious as to how you’d change the basic objections you have. Do you really think all abortions will be prohibited anytime in our lifetimes? It is my understanding that Canada is one of the few nations with absolutely no legal restrictions on abortions. How many have occurred in your country?
Canada’s debt is equal to over 87% of your GDP which, while a lower ratio than the U.S., still reflects a very high rate for a national economy that is less than 1/10th the size of the US economy.
It seems you should pay more attention to your own home than on what’s happening south of your border.
@oil guy from Alberta: By the way, your unfunded Canadian liabilities, including your $500 billion in debt, amount to approximately 5 times your annual GPD. While that’s lower than the US, it is also true that your overall tax rates are over 38%, compared with about 28% for US tax rates. That means we have sufficient room to increase taxes if necessary to make up the difference. Your Canadian taxes are already approaching the maximum sustainable rates, at least according the the IMF, so you don’t have much room to work out a solution.
I like Canada and admire many of your places, people, and public programs. That doesn’t mean your house is any kind of model for us in the US, so don’t feel so smug.
Wait, so someone from Canada who works for Big Oil has a critical opinion of domestic American politics? Let’s just worry about the few American coastlines that haven’t been destroyed by oil company incompetence. That’s what oil guys might focus on to the good in my book.
@mathman: Thanks for confirming my thoughts on the state of our public education or the notion of children being raised by the state.
If you have the time, there is a book waiting to be born within these few lines. The argument for continuing with the dismal performance of the public education model is similar to the arguments for more stimulus funds. Failure is temporary and an indication of success, we just need to continue with the failed programs until they succeed. New tactics or strategy is never considered; seriously, why would Liberalism accept anything but Progressive or regressive orthodoxy? They have the control.
Your problem, other than living with the frustration of teaching primary math skills to college students who should be learning advanced mathematics, is that you refuse to accept failure of the public education system as a collateral by-product of Liberal indoctrination strategy. You must learn to accept the fact: these students have been told they are qualified for the Liberal finishing schools of our colleges and universities.
It is reasonable for the students to assume, math skills are inconsequential in the fields of Sociology, Political Science, and Ethnic Studies. The ability to use logic is inconsequential in these same fields; it is far more important to have the correct political mindset, thus they become successful students and eventually useful idiots.
@Tom:
Unlabeled is the the basic socialist bull shit the the effect the that the secret of success in any endeavor is spending money.
My parents were dirt poor–their parents not quite so well off. Very little money was spent (available) on thoroughly and properly educating some a lot of people (my brother and I, my mother and father, 10 or more aunts and uncles that I know of). My wife and I raised three daughters and while I disagree strongly with each of them about something I will claim that they are well educated and that my wife and I did not have a lot of money in the children’s formative years. My brother and his wif had an even tougher row to how, but they have raised four and now twenty of so grandchildren.
And I will argue that most of what any of this lot knows what learned in spite of The System’s efforts (and most of what was spent on “higher education” was earned by the person attending).
Most of what is “wrong” with any of us (to the exent anything is) is the fault of The System.
with the INDOCTRINATION going strong by the OBAMA group and his MEDIAS,
don’t any one leave their children with them, they will make MUSLIMS out of them,
they are already in schools teaching them their way,
they call it the GLOBAL WAY, no word of AMERICA, the BEAUTIFUL,
no word of the MILITARY fighting the TERRORIST in MUSLIM COUNTRIES,
no word of the beautiful AMERICAN FLAG, no word of the laws of the land,
THE UNIQUE CONSTITUTION UNQUALED BY ANY COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD,
no word of the OBAMA AGREED ABORTION OF AMERICAN BABIES, no word of the HEROIC HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, no word of GOD THE ALMIGHTY, and HIS SON JESUS
THE ONE WHO DIED ON THE CROSS TO ERASE THE SINS OF HUMANITY, and will come back to judge the HUMANITY and separate the good and the damned for ETERNITY,
oil guy from ALBERTA
this SKIPPERDOG is talking through his empty head, trying to cover the administration
of entitlements on the good AMERICANS,
he cannot say a word to explain your point,
he will say anything else but, that’s who he represent are all the same ,
rhetoric taught to them in schools, like a bunch of robots uninformed , but with a tongue
to spit their well learned text,
best to you,