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If this last election taught us anything, it’s that the left has achieved a mastery of manipulating the English language to make stances that are unappealing to most Americans seem reasonable. We saw this in full display as throughout the 2012 presidential campaign where whatever talking points the left used to describe their causes were dutifully amplified in the mainstream press. It really is a clever tactic to automatically start the conversation by seemingly placing themselves in the reasonable position while painting any opposition to debates framed as “war” or “rights” as the irrational or bigoted side. Here are a few examples of terms we’ve seen used by the left and their true meaning:

Reproductive Freedom – A 30 year old future one percenter who does not want to pay for condoms feels you that should be forced to buy her birth control pills and/or abortions, and create a dishonest talking point that is in reality insulting to women

Equal Pay for Women – Accomplishing nothing more than taking existing anti-discrimination laws and extending the statute of limitations as a bone to trial lawyers, and create a dishonest talking point that is in reality insulting to women

Women’s Issues – Any issues that only pertain to birth control paid for someone else or abortions. Basically the sexist notion that women can’t think beyond their “lady parts” and should leave those other issues for the men to handle

Marriage Equality – Gay marriage

Economic Patriotism – Raising taxes on somebody other than you

Voter Suppression – Insisting that voters be required to form the same level of ID needed to board a plane, buy alcohol, cash a check, etc. Basically, disenfranchisement of people backing the other party who are only allowed to vote once.

The Wealthy – Someone who makes more money than you

Increased Revenues – Higher tax rates (Not higher actual revenues collected, just rates)

Revenue Enhancements – Higher tax rates (Not higher actual revenues collected, just rates)

Fair Share of Tax Burden – Higher tax rates (Not higher actual revenues collected, just rates)

Energy Independence – Forcing the American people to ignore inexpensive, job creating domestic energy sources and to use expensive, government subsidized inefficient energy sources that rely on imported rare-earth metals

Investment – Government spending 

Investment in the Energy Technologies of Tomorrow – Federal Government spending on solar and wind energy companies who contributed to the Obama campaign

Investment in Education – Federal government throwing money at the states to give to teachers’ unions rather than renegotiate unsustainable contracts.

Investment in the cars of tomorrow – Federal government throwing money at various auto makers to give to the UAW rather than renegotiate unsustainable contracts.

Extremist – Any viewpoint that contradicts leftist dogma

Moderate – Leftist, or any Republican who criticizes conservative principles

Sensible – Leftist

Partisan – Any disagreement with an opinion held by President Obama

Protecting Our Nation’s Children – Restricting law abiding parents’ ability to protect their children

Tax Increases on Working Class Families- The money not collected by someone wealthier than you somehow equates an expense the middle class has to pay (It seems that there are no accountants on the left who understand the difference between income and expenses)

Ending Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid as We Know It – How to criticize anyone who brings that biased, partisan concept known as mathematics into any discussion of entitlement reform, other than raising taxes on the wealthy of course.

And it hasn’t stopped just because the election is over. One morning after the shootings in Newtown I tuned in to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” leftist round table where one of the members suggested that “We need to change the language of this argument! Instead of Gun Rights we should be calling it Gun Sense!”

After I started writing this Victor David Hanson wrote a great piece on the need for Republican Populism to explain why conservative policies are ultimately better for society as a whole. Unfortunately in the leftist echo chamber of the mainstream media rather than look at the realities that Hanson outlines these leftist phrases get repeated constantly, and sadly there are no “journalists” or conservative leaders who are willing to challenge these distorting statements. Since I doubt anyone on the right is ready to take up the fight over these terms, I thought I’d offer a few for conservatives to start using to do their part to improve the accuracy of the conversation:

Repeal of the Clinton tax Increases: The Bush tax cuts

Weather: Climate Change

Energy Independence – Relying on our nation’s natural resources, and maybe Canada’s as well, while allowing the religious folks who like inexpensive, inefficient energy to still choose to use it.

Locally Grown Energy: Natural gas, coal, offshore oil, and any other energy produced in the United States. I can’t remember the person on Twitter to attribute this to, but the tweet said something to the effect of, “Why is buying local good with everything but energy?” And that is a very good question.

Fiscal Reality – This is what we had been calling the Fiscal Cliff/ Sequester. All that the FC did was advance our date with reality, so why couldn’t we discuss it as such?

Economic Patriotism – Passing a budget and explaining to the American people how any deficits are going to realistically get paid, and who will end up paying them. Or, in the case of our current administration, educating oneself as to the concept of what a budget actually is for starters.

Too Big to Fail – Our government. Any discussion attacking a specific business or industry should immediately be redirected to the government bodies that enable them, and are most likely far bigger than the business that said government is enabling.

Ending Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid as We Know It – Assuming that our entitlement programs can survive unchanged and labeling anybody who calls fo reform a partisan ideologue

Legal Discrimination – Any sort of diversity initiative, affirmative action or quota system that is designed to reward members of one group and punish another based on some superficial element, such as gender or skin color.

Paid Lobbyists for the DNC Superpac – Most members of the mainstream press. Hey, if they’re not willing to even try to be objective why give them the title of “journalist”? And out of fairness I’m fine with throwing the same label on the good folks over at Fox News supporting the RNC.

Investment – Private individuals choosing to put money into something with the expectation of gain, usually over a longer term. (OK, that’s the textbook definition. But it has gotten so abused by the left they’ve forgotten the term’s real meaning)

Women’s Issues – The Economy, Foreign Policy, Environmental Law, Education, Health Care, Taxes, Energy – wait a minute… These are the same issues that men care about! What a bizarre notion that men and women should be treated equally!

Racist – Anyone who spent eight years screaming about how terrible the Bush economy was who now blindly praises the Obama economy. Assuming that someone is less capable or intelligent and holding them to lower standards based only on that person’s skin color is insulting at best and disgusting at worst.

Thousand Billion – One trillion. A trillion sounds too simple. If we start repeating that President Obama has added four thousand billion to our debt the magnitude might start to sink in. I can’t remember who the proper citation is for this one – might have been Victor Davis Hanson, although I remember G. Gordon Liddy dropping that terminology back when I’d occasionally listen to his radio show back in the day.

Middle Class and Lower Class Tax Increases – Carbon taxes. Any tax on a good or service that takes a larger percentage out of the incomes of the poor accomplishes this, and at least we can be honest about who would be hit the hardest by such a tax scheme.

Deferred Tax Increases – This is the second most important term that needs to become part of our vernacular. A while back one of the writers at Cafe Hayek defined our current deficits and debt as nothing more that deferred tax increases. This seems to be pretty common sense, since any money that the government spends comes in some form of taxation. Debt is nothing more than a tax increase for which we refuse to assign a payee to at this time. It’s time to stop talking in terms of debt and deficits, as those phrases don’t truly reflect what our federal debt actually is.

Generational Theft – What we are committing against the young people in this country by running up debt that they will be forced to pay.

Protecting the Nation’s Children – Passing a budget and responsibly spending taxpayer money so they don’t have to be economically punished for the debts we’ve amassed.

Sustainable Government – The granddaddy of them all. The Left loves the word sustainable when discussing any issues that they perceive as environmental, but it stops there. Why not use it to discuss our federal debt? Any household that that makes $21,000 per year and spends $38,000 while already having $160,000 in debt isn’t going to consider foregoing $800 per year in increased spending in any way sustainable. So why do we? Stick a few zeroes on the end of each of those numbers and you’re looking at our federal debt. We need to start evaluating what it is we want from our government and how we are going to pay for it.

Is trying to frame the debate in language of your own choosing somewhat obnoxious? Why yes, as a matter of fact it is. But the left has no problem doing it, and it helped them win a critical presidential election. And unless we want the way things are now to become the new normal we’d better start making some changes too.

I threw out my ideas here, and I’m sure you have some too. I know my lefty pals will have some as well, and I’d love to hear them in the comments!

Cross Posted from Brother Bob’s Blog

I threw out my ideas here, and I’m sure you have some too. I know my lefty pals will have some as well, and I’d love to hear them in the comments!

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It is well known that whoever sets the language of the debate has a built in advantage. The shameful alliance with the MSM goes back at least forty years. The debate over Roe v. Wade was one of the pro-life position being cast by their opponents and their willing accomplices in the media as “anti-abortion”. The loftier sounding “pro-choice” appellation was granted to the Left.

The battle for the language continues, but we are further hampered by the downward educational spiral that is the government public school system. It is hard to keep a focus on the precision of the language when so many in our society are grammatically illiterate.

proof
I’m almost scare to comment on this POST,
as much as I’m careful I do make errors,
but it’s not wishfully done,
and I agree on the call for having a good ENGLISH SPOKEN AND WRITTEN,
BUT THE ENGLISH WE HEAR ON THE WEB IS BROKEN, give me the feeling of lazy slobs,
typing to save their energy,
bye

@ilovebeeswarzone: It’s not the casual, offhanded mistakes on the Internet that disturb me so much as the systemic lack of understanding of the language as currently taught (or not taught) in our public schools.

proof
yes, it happen when a country as big as the USA,
ALLOW so many wrong influences to come with the intent to change AMERICA FOREVER
INTO A GLOBAL UN ORG. WHERE THERE IS NO ONE IS SAID TO BE SUPERIOR THAN THE OTHER
WHERE THE RATS MINGLE WITH THE PROUD BRAVES WHO FOUGHT AND DIED FOR THEIR FREEDOM AND DAM SURE ONLY IN THE USA,

NEIL CAVUTO, AND BERNIE HOME DEPOT, SHE DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO COUNT
AND WON’T DARE SAY THAT OBAMA IS A LIAR,
I COULD SEE THE LANGUAGE OF HER EXTENDED ARMS BEATING THE AIR,
SHE IS AN OBAMA ROBOT PARROT LIKE THE OTHER,

A good glossary of lefty terms — nearly 100% about economics and the growth of government to run everything — and then there’s “Marriage equality = gay marriage” in the middle of all this. It’s the only thing on the list that doesn’t expand government power or affect economics for all; it’s the only thing on the list that doesn’t require a new bureaucracy either. Meanwhile, Gay folks have been talking about marriage since the gay rights movement started in the 1950s, under Eisenhower — back when Liberals and Lefties were just as anti-gay as anyone (most lefties worldwide are just as anti-gay now as then.) In 1965 gay folks protested at the White House for marriage. Oh, I’m sorry, who one smooches is just not a left or right issue — it’s a human issue. I’m not saying there aren’t lefty gays, there are — there are lefty heterosexuals too. But, there are Righty gays too — economics doesn’t stop at the gay bar door you know — and we clamor for marriage too. And we are well aware of the police state — we were the target of it, no matter whether liberals or conservatives were in power.

And so on all these things there is a clear divide between left and right — and then there’s the gay thing — it’s just so different. Not that is shouldn’t be discussed or pondered — but it certainly is not a leftist thing — for 100% of gay folks clamor for marriage — and only some of them are on the left — the rest of us are on the right. You only think it’s Lefty because Obama is a johnny come lately on the matter. That leftist was against it, remember?

As I like to point out — during the cold war America was convinced that “homosexuality” was some leftist plot — while the Russians were quite sure it was a capitalist plot. And when both America (right) and Russia (left) were against gay folks — though blaming the other for our existence and insistence — well, then, it hardly seems rational to say that “gay marriage” is some lefty thing.

Jim Hlavac
hi.
you gave many good debatable points, thank you
for they are all important,and for you also,
I believe in the priority of citizens to be able to find jobs before foreigners,
I BELIEVE IN THE PRIORITY OF AMERICAN FELONS ALL LABEL IN ONE CATEGORY OF
ONLY HAVING BEEN CAUGHT , BUT NOT ALL MURDERER OR OTHER VIOLENT CRIMES
DO SHOULD BE IN FRONT FOR JOB THEY WANT,FRONT OF FOREIGNERS AND ILLEGALS 11 MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS , AND I BELIEVE AN AMERICAN IS ONE WORD WHICH IS ” AMERICAN ”
PERIOD, NO OTHER ADJECTIVES NEEDED TO ILLUSTRATE THE NATION SO VAST, SO DIFFERENT,
THAT IN SO MANY DIVERSE MINDSET AND BELONGNING TO DIFFERENT GROUPS AND COLOR,
AND UPBRINGING AND EDUCATION, IT IS INFINITE AND SO PERSONAL THAT NONE SHOULD TRY TO GIVE IT A SPECIAL ATTACHMENT TO THE WORD AMERICAN,
I SAY , I LOVE AMERICANS, AND AMERICA ONLY, I DON’T WANT MORE TO ADD FOR A PEOPLE I RESPECT FOR THEIR VALUES AND BRAVERY, IN WORKING HARD TO HELP THE CAUSE OF FREEDOM,
WHICH YOU ARE ALSO AMONG THEM,
BEST TO YOU, FOR BEING PART OF THAT BEAUTIFULL LABEL WHICH AMERICA EARN WITH SO MUCH PAIN INJURYS AND BLOOD.
I DO ADMIRE THIS NATION FOR WHO THEY STAND FOR. A NATION SO TOLERANT AND COMPASSIONATE, HUMBLE IN THEIR GREATNESS, UNDER GOD.
BYE

@Jim Hlavac: C’mon Jim,there are about as many Conservative Gays as there are Conservative Blacks. That’s reality. As long as pols like Santorum and Bachmann hold sway that won’t change–do you think?

@Jim Hlavac: ” it hardly seems rational to say that “gay marriage” is some lefty thing.”
Jim you are correct as far as being gay is not an ideology, but the modern Democrat party is a coalition party and the predominant political movement for gays in America has most closely aligned itself with the Democrats, therefore, left leaning party. Politics makes strange bedfellows, as it were.

Also, many of those who oppose the gay political agenda have an evangelical background, so there is already strong opposition to evangelicals in the Democrat party on issues such as the multi-million dollar abortion industry. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” may apply here as well.

@proof: You’re right — the Dems have coopted the gay thing — I’m mad as hell. Oh, the whole gay this is so confounded and so confusing, I’m fed up with it half the time. Trying to bring any sense to it requires a book, not a comment. But, as I joke on gay websites (where we have the same debates on everything you have here) “one of these days 320,000,000 Americans are going to give a damn about gay folks — and then we’ll have to argue some real politics, like the deficit and too much government.” For me, being a rightwinger since childhood (dad was a Goldwater Republican, apple fell not far) I spend 1/2 my time telling gay folks to leave the Christians alone, and 1/2 my time the other way. Egad. I’m just tired of it.

But, I’m not getting into bed with Democrats, ew.

@Jim Hlavac: Jim–You know the Conservative position is against gay marriage. Ohio Conserv.Sen. Portman recently changed his position when his son told him he was gay.Good for him.Portman took some Conservative heat for this.
“one of these days 320,ooo,ooo Americans are going to give a damn about gay folks.” Nice dream—-Won’t happen as long as leaders like Boehner, Rubio,Santorum and most others speak out AGAINST gay marriage.

Semper Fi

Richard Wheeler
you like to feed your liberal food,
we never hear anyone talk AGAINST GAY HERE ,
SO EAT YOUR RHETORIC IT’S NOT TRUE,
THE CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT FOCUSING ON THE GENDER AND COLOR AND RELIGION, OF ANYONE,
THEY ARE MORE COMPASSIONATE THEN THE DEMOCRATS WHO USE ANYONE TO FIT THEIR NEED,
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DEMS HIDING THEIR OWN FAILURES BY BLAMING OTHER, AND CONSERVATIVES, WHO DON’T NEED TO USE ANYONE TO FIT THEIR AGENDAS,
WHOEVER JOIN CONSERVATIVES KNOW THAT WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET, , THAT’S WHY MANY ARE JOINING,
THEY ARE SURE OF WHAT THEY SEE IS NOT SMOKE WHICH EVAPORATE THE NEXT DAY, THEY KNOW THEY CAN DEPEND ON A SOLID AS ROCK PARTY, WHO STAND WITH WHAT THEY BELIEVE, THE PROOF IS PORTMAN STATING HIS CONVICTION.
SHAME ON YOU TO BASH IT ALL THE TIME

@Richard Wheeler:

Ohio Conserv.Sen. Portman recently changed his position when his son told him he was gay.Good for him.Portman took some Conservative heat for this.

As he should have. For someone who campaigned on his conservative creds, obviously those creds were not as strong as he claimed. If you don’t support same-sex marriage, but then decide that when it becomes poltically correct to do so, just because your kid came out of the closet, your position was weak to begin with. Will Portman now come out for the legalization of cocaine if he learns his son is a cocaine freak?

This is just a clear example of parents not having the courage of their convictions when it causes dissention within their own families. Perhaps that is the problem. We have parents that cave to the opinions of their children when standing firm on a core belief would be hard. Does Portman think his son will love him any less if he still opposes same-sex marriage? No one stands for anything today. We are just reduced to a “feel good” society and that will be/is our downfall.

@Richard Wheeler: Sir, as we’ve been saying for some sixty years now: the impossible taxes a little longer. Why, I recall when 100% of everyone was against us and I was a demented felon. Now, we’re arguing gay marriage in SCOTUS. Meanwhile, the Declaration of Independence guarantees the “Pursuit of Happiness” — not the granting of it. So, I wait a little longer. What’s a few more years after sixty? 🙂

@retire05:

Will Portman now come out for the legalization of cocaine if he learns his son is a cocaine freak?

Exactly how is being gay analogous to being a “cocaine freak”?

@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees I applaud Portman—Your Party leaders,Boehner,Rubio,Santorum etc are against the rights for gays to marry. Do you know that? Do you agree with them? It’s clear Reto5 and others at FA are on that side.I commend their honesty. How bout you?
Jim It appears you’ll have a l—–ong wait. I wish you well.

BrotherBob Bachmann self destructed–didn’t need any help. There are bigots among The Left,Conservative Christians,Muslims and others. Bigotry should NEVER be condoned or accepted.Period

@Brother Bob: ” a lot of the debate is rooted in the intolerance and bigotry of… the left”
Many in the left hate gays, too. I can’t tell you how many forums I have been on where the resident liberal, losing his argument (as usual) breaks out all the gay slurs and accuses conservatives of being homosexual/committing homosexual acts…as if that were the worst thing he could think of. If the left were truly tolerant of gays, and their practices, they would not consider calling someone a homosexual an insult.

The treatment of gays and women by Muslims conflicts with the “multiculturalists” in the party. To condemn that treatment would suggest that there must be a higher moral standard to hold them to. Now, you’re agreeing with the evangelicals! (Horrors!) Don’t lose any sleep trying to find philosophical consistency across the liberal coalition. This is a coalition that contains PETA (save the animals) and Native Americans (the animals we kill we have always killed).

Many bigoted liberals are tolerant of groups in their coalition only insofar as they see it benefiting their acquisition and retention of power. You would be hard pressed to find more prejudiced, bigoted and closed minded individuals than you find in modern liberalism, who protest it more and then accuse you of what they themselves practice daily.

@Tom:

Exactly how is being gay analogous to being a “cocaine freak”?

I see, Tom, that, as usual, a point goes right over your head. So let me try to explain it so that even you can understand what I was saying:

It has nothing analogous to being a cocaine freak. It has everything to do with changing an opinion based not on a core belief, but on getting a difference of opinion, pressure, if you will, from an offspring. My values, as should the values of all parents, not change because of the actions of our young adult children. If you are a woman who doesn’t support abortion, you don’t suddenly start supporting abortion because you learned your daughter had one.

Basically, Portman rolled his own [claimed] conservative values in the name of his son. Not only is that cowardly, but it shows that as a parent he is not willing to be in disagreement with his young adult son. So………….
the question remains; if Portman was to learn that his son was a cocaine freak, would he then join the ranks of those who support drug legalization?

Perhaps Ron Portman would be better to explain to his son that they had a difference of opinion, on any issue, but that didn’t mean he didn’t love his son. The nation, unfortunately, seems to be filled with more kids than parents who refuse to act like parents.

@Richard Wheeler:

Boehner,Rubio,Santorum etc are against the rights for gays to marry.

As usual, in typical progressive manner, you misrepresent an issue. Where are any of those men calling for the federal government to enact laws that says gays cannot marry? In what state of the union is there a question “Are you gay” on any marriage license? Provide the state.

The truth of the matter is that gays ARE allowed to marry, under the same rules and regulations as “straights.” The issue is NOT whether gays can marry, they can, but can they marry those of their own sex. The whole “same-sex” marriage issue is not one of equality, but a demand for special treatment due to sexual proclivity.

I am sick of liberals like you misrepresenting the opinions of those of us who are are the opposite side of the aisle as you are.

@retire05: @retire05: Let me be crystal clear. They, and you, are against SAME SEX marriage–Clear enough?

Richard Wheeler
YOU ARE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE ACCUSING BOEMER AND BACMAN AND SANTORIUM AND OTHER, YOU ARE LYING
YOU’RE ASKING, ARE YOU WITH OR AGAINST THE GAY TO MARRY,
THOSE WHO SAY THEY ARE FOR, HAVE NOT FINISH THEIR SENTENCES, SAME AS THOSE AGAINST ARE NOT PICTURING ” THE AGAINST ” AS ENEMY OR HATE,
THIS IS MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT,
THE GAY HAVE BEEN PART OF THE HUMAN RACE SINCE WHO KNOWS, WHO CAN TELL WHEN,
WE ARE ALL NON PERFECT HUMAN IN VERY MANY STATE OF MIND,
AND WE DID COEXIST , WE MADE IT TO TODAY, SOME ON TWO SIDES WHERE PERSECUTED,
AND WHERE KILLED THE SAME AS THEY WHERE FOR DIFFERENT EXCUSES COMING FROM THE PERSECUTOR, IF WE COUNT THE NUMBER OF WHY HUMAN WHERE PERSECUTED, WE STILL WOULD BE WORKING ON THE LIST, LIST FOR THEM LIST FOR US,
AND I say, both with them for what I FOUND of their gifts GOD GIVEN and against FOR ME AND THEM NOT HAVING THE SAME LEANING ON THE SEX ORIENTATION,
BUT NO HATE, NO DESIRE TO EXTERMINATE THEM BECAUSE OF IT, JUST BEING FOR THEIR HUMANITY, AND AGAINST FOR THEIR DIFFERENT SEXUAL DESIRE,
THEY CAN SAY THE SAME FOR ME AND OTHER FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW,
IT’S THE FACT THAT A DIFFERENCE IS NOTICE FROM THEM AND OTHER, AND ME, AND OTHER,
WE COEXIST PERFECTLY TOGETHER,AND THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT GET INVOLVE IN TAKING SIDES HYPOCRITLY AS WE HEAR ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE DECLARING THEIR TOTAL ACCEPTANCE IS LYING BETWEEN THEIR TEETHS, AND AS BOTH WE ARE HUMAN NOT TO BE SUBJECT TO BE ANALIZE
LIKE THE DEMOCRATS DOES FOR THE RIGHT WING, AND ELDER IN MEDICAL TALKS, AND RICH AND POOR,
AND VETERANS IN MILITARY TALKS, AND STUDENTS IN LEARNING SKILL TALKS, AND COLOR OF SKIN, THEIR FAVORITE RACE CARD GAME,
ALL THIS DIVIDING THE PEOPLE ONE PEOPLE OF AMERICA IN DIFFERENT LABEL,
SHOULD NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE IT’S NOT OF THEIR DAMN BUSINESS, AND IT’S NOT THEIR JOBS, THEY HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED TO BY THE PEOPLE,
AND WHY WOULD THEY NEED THE OKAY OF GOVERNMENT,
FOR WHAT? MARRAGE? WHAT WAS MARRAGE CREATED FOR?
FOR A UNION OF TWO PERSONS TO CREATE A FAMILY BY PROCREATING CHILDREN SO TO PROTECT THEM. AND BE BLESS BY GOD IN GENERATIONS TO COME

@retire05:

I see, Tom, that, as usual, a point goes right over your head. So let me try to explain it so that even you can understand what I was saying:

You’e going to explain how your crude and flawed analogy makes sense, so even I can understand? Well, thank you. I can’t wait to see the light.

It has nothing analogous to being a cocaine freak.

Well, that wasn’t what I expected. So you admit the analogy is flawed? Or perhaps you’re denying you made a clear analogous comparison? Your mumblings are indeed difficult to parse for logic. Yet you still fine sufficient reason to bloviate for four more paragraphs thinking it somehow rehabilitates the ruin of your argument.

@ilovebeeswarzone: You got more wind than the average pol.lol Same sex marriage— are you o.k. with it?

@Brother Bob:

@Jim Hlavac: I weighed in on gay marriage last summer – a lot of the debate is rooted in the intolerance and bigotry of… the left:

Please refresh my memory. Was that the post where you condemned Liberals for finding it insensitive at best, racist at worst, to label Obama as “lazy” – since there is a long history of that term being stereotypically applied to black men without any actual concrete proof – and then as part of the defense of your thesis, you went ahead and labeled Obama”lazy” without any actual concrete proof?

THE NON BELIEVER WANT TO BAR THE EASTER WORD,
THEY ARE CINICAL IDIOTS TRYING TO KILL A WORD FOR HIS MEANING,
YOU CANNOT EXTERMINATE WORDS WHICH HAVE SURVIVE CENTURYS,
YOU WILL NEVER SUCCEEDE TO MAKE THOSE MEANINGFULL WORDS DISAPPEAR
WHICH ARE REPRESENTING THE ARISEN OF JESUS FROM DEATH,
THOSE ARE FOREVER LIVING WORDS,
THEY REPRESENT JOY AND SUCCESS OF HAVING DEFEATED THE DEVIL ROAMING ON THIS EARTH LACKING OF HIS POWER,
A NEVER ENDING BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL,
A GLORIOUS PROOF OF IT’S EXISTENCE.
and our struggle to conquer the EVIL
BY ASKING GOD TO HELP,
O’REILLY JUST GAVE ME THE WORD, THE STRUGGLE OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT TO PREVAIL

Tom
OBAMA started himself
TO ADMIT
that qualification on himself as being lazy,
he said i am lazy.
I just saw the video yesterday on FOX

@Brother Bob:

@Tom: Thanks for remembering my post where I tried to explain to you the laziness of our president! Now please go back and actually read it!

I would love to read it again, but interestingly you didn’t actually link to the FA version with all those critical comments you could never respond to, which I find interesting. Anyway, I come from the school of thought that you don’t throw around accusations without proof. I asked you for proof multiple times, and you evaded each time (just like on this thread) and it’s all on record. Yet somehow you find it within yourself to feel offended when people fill in the blanks as to your reason for feeling the way you do, when you refuse to supply a reasonable one.

@ilovebeeswarzone:

I just saw the video yesterday on FOX

Well you and FOX are both so fair and balanced, so it must be true!

HANNITY
SH, SH
WHAT’S WRONG WITH CHRIS MATHIEW?
HE HAD TOO MUCH TINGLES IN HIS LEGS,
THE LEGS TOOK OVER THE BRAIN

@Brother Bob: Thanks! I usually stop by a couple times a week, but usually just lurk.

@Brother Bob:

I agree, you certainly did dumb it down. However once again you have failed to provide a tangible instance or example of laziness. A person speaks two sentences you don’t agree with and that’s your proof of laziness, that’s all you can muster after being asked ten times over the course of two weeks? Are you freaking joking? It’s getting harder for me to believe you have anything other than your, let’s call it, “hunch”.

Brother Bob
you gave me a new word to be used for TOM and Richard Wheeler,
as a weapon,
I take it as a learning experience
thank you

@ilovebeeswarzone:Bees Truly The Pen Is Mightier Than The Sword.—-An AR-15 not so much.

Richard Wheeler
I’M BAD ON TARGETING,
I will need an AR-100 to make sure I CAN HIT AT THE CORE,
BYE
YOU KNOW OF THE KILLING OF MARINES, HE MUST HAVE LOST IT,
WHAT REALLY CAN PUSH A PERSON TO SHOOT HIS BROTHERS,
WATH EVER IT IS , IT’S BIG ENOUGH TO SEARCH THE WHY.
UNLESS IT’S ANOTHER ASS AN
DO YOU THINK?

Tom
yes, like FOX REPEAT, FAIR ,,BALANCE ,, AND UNAFRAID,
BRET BAIR, A SMART AND GOOD LOOKING, ONE OF THEM.
THEY ARE TO HUMBLE TO MENTION THEIR SUPERIORITY
IN BRAIN POWER, TO OTHER MEDIAS, WHICH I THINK ARE OWN MOSTLY BY FOREIGN POWERS, PREVENTING THEM TO ADVANCE
IN INTEL WAVES,

@ilovebeeswarzone: Did you know your beloved Fox News is owned by a Foreigner? Fox may be many things—humble ain’t one of em.

Richard Wheeler
he must be a freedom of speech lover,
and an AMERICA LOVER
THERE IS A BOOK ABOUT THE BOSS, ONE OF THEM, IT LOOK GOOD,
I mention humble to show they are not showing up their superiority like other medias you look to favor,

@Brother Bob: “Had his electoral victories handed to him”

That is a truly ridiculous accusation Brother Bob BHO Electoral victories in o8 and 2012 not even close.
“W” wins in 2000(a disputed squeaker in Fla.) and 2004 ( Ohio decided the race)–that’s close.

Brother BOB
I love that one
never taste the sword,
and came back to say what it taste,
Richard Wheeler your turn

@Brother Bob:

@Tom: I didn’t provide links because I knew you’d be too lazy to go to them, just like you’re too lazy to do your homework on how the president had his electoral victories handed to him.

Clearly you don’t see the irony in your continued accusations of laziness, while refusing to do the minimal level of work to prove them in any meaningful way. Considering its content, I don’t blame you for not linking to your article, but it is humorous to see you calling me lazy now after I and others completely dismantled your post in the comments section, and all you could muster for a defense were weak, easily dismissed paper mache platitudes.

“Your health insurance rates will not go up, and if you like your plan you can keep it.” Hopefully you don’t need me to spell out the multiple levels of laziness in that statement.

Once again you change the definition of “lazy”. Previously, you linked it entirely “achievement”, which fell apart under minimal pressure. Now, laughably, you’re going to link the concept of laziness to one cherry-picked statement made. There is no conventional definition of laziness that I’m aware of that doesn’t include patterns of actions (work) taken (performed), or, more typically, not taken (performed). I have invited you multiple times to provide instances of these patterns in Obama. This should not be difficult, seeing as he’s possibly the most documented person alive on an hour to hour basis. I even provided you a link to his daily calendar. And what have you come up with? NOTHING! Instead, in desperation, you seek to redefine the word itself and slink out the back door as if your audience is barely literate and doesn’t hold you to any standards. The very thing you claim to detest in liberals, baseless accusations of racism, seems to be the very thing you’re almost forcing us to consider a a possibility in your own case, as you absolutely refuse to bring forth a shred of objective evidence to back your claims.

@Brother Bob:

@Tom: I read your last comment twice, was there a serious response somewhere in there or did I miss it?

It’s more or less the same response every time: where is the evidence to support your claim “Obama is lazy”? Until I see it, I’ll assume you don’t have it.

Tom
he was elected to do a job, he did not,
the answer is coming from his own mouth,
I am lazy,
you and his team, say no he’s not lazy,
he campaign so much, that’s hard work,
they say the one who said it is a liar,
so, obama is a lazy liar according to you and the followers

civilian disarmament=gun control

enabling tyranny=common sense gun control

genocide promoters=gun control advocates

@Brother Bob: Blame the lamestream media for all your woes and loses—lazy. Romney and Mac got clobbered. The Repub Right beat em up in the primaries and Obama picked the bones.Folks like you greatly helped BHO in 08 and 2012 and you can be sure he appreciates it. I expect you’ll find a reason to beat up a great Conservative candidate like Rubio and hand a victory to HRC in 2016.

You really make it too easy.

Semper Fi

Richard Wheeler
you follow the democrats mindset perfectly,
one is blaming other for the failure, although it was a win for you ain’t it?
why do you complain and always stick it to CONSERVATIVES,
THEY DON’T HIDE AND DO THEIR THING BEHIND CLOSE DOOR LIKE THE DEMOCRATS,
AND THEY WON’T CHANGE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TRUTH, WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET,
THE TRUTH, THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR LOOSING THE ELECTION,
THIS WAS SO CLOSE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN REDONE WITHOUT THE CORRUPTION,
THEY ARE FINDING NOW,
FOR EXAMPLE ONE ARRIVE AND OPEN HER COMPUTER AND FROM THE FIRST INSTANT SHE HAD
400 VOTES NOT EVEN OPEN YET, SHE SAID IT SHOCK ME.
MULTIPLY THIS BY X AND YOU GET ZERO.