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Over at Breitbart.com, Jim Nolte had an interesting take on how the lefiverse got all wee-ee’d up last week over something that Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes said regarding President Obama in an excerpt from his upcoming book that appeared in Vanity Fair. The quote that started this controversy was this:

“Obama’s the one who never worked a day in his life. He never earned a penny that wasn’t public money. How many fund-raisers does he attend every week? How often does he play basketball and golf? I wish I had that kind of time. He’s lazy, but the media won’t report that.’ He noticed my arched eyebrows and added, ‘I didn’t come up with that. Obama said that, to Barbara Walters.”

What Ailes was referring to was an interview that Obama did with Barbara Walters back in 2011:

BARBARA WALTERS: Okay. What’s the trait you most deplore in yourself and the trait you most deplore in others?

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Laziness.

WALTERS: You’re lazy?

OBAMA: You know, it’s interesting. There is a deep down, underneath all the work I do, I think there’s a laziness in me. I mean, it’s, it’s probably from, you know, growing up in Hawaii, and it’s sunny outside and sitting on the beach.

The president wasn’t the lone target, as Ailes would also call Newt Gingrch a pr**k, and referred to Vice President Biden “As dumb as an ashtray”.

CNN weighed in, first by selectively editing out that last sentence of Ailes’ to try to put a racist spin on the remarks when they discussed this with 9/11 Truther Van Jones.

MSNBC had its resident experts on being racists, Sharpton and Toure discuss these comments. Like CNN, they also left off that last sentence of Ailes’, and also failed to cite the Walters interview that was the source of that observation. Examiner.com’s Joe Newby documented their analysis:

“This sort of ‘lazy’ term is something we heard flung at us as black people going back to slavery,” Touré told Sharpton, “which, of course, you know, we perceive them as being guilty of not wanting to work. Of course they didn’t want to work. They were slaves.”

Touré then claimed that everyone on “the Fox side of the aisle,” meaning conservatives, hold the same view of black people while offering no proof of his assertion.

“But this is a revolutionary thing that they’re doing,” he added, “saying ‘We’re going to get out of all of the work that we can,’ and then this stupid idea follows us since then. It’s this really disgusting, accessing stereotypes, red meat sort of dog whistle. On the Fox side of the aisle, they say yes, that’s right. This is what we think of black people already. And, on our side, we’re like ‘What are you talking about?’

Let’s look at how one more lefty outlet covered the story. The Huffington Post’s Robert Elsiberg had this to offer:

Though his quote is likely to get a lot of outraged attention, I actually find it very positive and encouraging. After all, the good news is that Mr. Ailes didn’t call the president shiftless, and say too that he has good rhythm, shuffles and likes watermelon.

Besides… well, sure he’s lazy. Aren’t all black people lazy in Roger Ailes Land, over there on the far right?

and went on to add

Still, Mr. Ailes does have his “Fox News” facts screwed on straight, when he empirically shows the president, proof positive, as one of those freeloading 47 percent who never earned a penny that wasn’t public money. Guilty as changed, other than the time he worked at the Sidley Austin law firm in Chicago, and the Miner, Barnhill & Galland law firm, and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago for 12 years. And ran Illinois Project Vote, a non-profit organization which is totally different from “public money,” but still…. Other than all that, Roger Ailes has it spot-on right, at least by “Fox News” standards, that Barack Obama never earned a penny that wasn’t public money.

And spot on, too, that he “never worked a day in his life.” All that law firm time, and teaching, and running a non-profit business stuff? And being an Illinois state senator, and a U.S. senator, and President of the United States. That’s not work. Work?! That’s the stuff of dreams. And dreams are just a fantasy, fluff, goofing off. It’s just being lazy.

Now that we’ve looked at the silliness that came out of the left let’s look at each one. First, CNN’s selective editing doesn’t do them any favors in their quest to pretend that they’re an actual serious news network and not a leftist outlet, not to mention interviewing a racist 9/11 truther as their expert.

MSNBC didn’t help their side either, by putting assumptions in Ailes’ mouth based on their own personal racist perceptions that they wished conservatives shared. Elsiberg does more of the same, but then as evidence cites the great “work” that the president did. Um, what actual tasks did he complete, or what papers did he write, and where are the former students and professors with their glowing testimonials? If the president “ran” a non-profit how is it that he is completely ignorant as to the concept of what a budget is? This would be a great time to provide concrete examples of what Obama accomplished at *any* of his past jobs, although actually 2008 would have been a better time for that.

But now let’s look at the assertion that has the left even angrier than normal. Ailes said that the president is lazy. There’s nothing wrong with that – the president is. Obama shows his intellectual laziness in the straw man arguments that he enjoys blow torching. Yes, Obama is out constantly campaigning, but that is different form of laziness than the classic definition. When I wrote just before the last election that a big reason I believed Obama would be re-elected is that his one great love and passion in this world above all else is… Barack Obama. And what is campaigning but efforts to tell other people that they should love Barack Obama as much as Barack Obama does. The combination of appealing to his base’s spiritual neediness, he also used the natural anger and resentment at the root of most leftist thought helped them focus on who they should hate this week (Hatee du jour being Congressional Republicans).

This is the same laziness that every person reading this has fallen into at some time or another. Who as a student never worked on reports and homework for their favorite subjects first while saving for last that subject that was most difficult or one you didn’t like? Who in their working careers has been given an assignment where you first worked on all of the parts that you could easily accomplish while putting off the most difficult ones until absolutely necessary? And who here as a president avoided sitting down and conducting meaningful negotiations with political rivals or educating yourself on topics foreign to you (such as Accounting, Economics, Leadership), and instead trotted off to campaign rallies or manipulated your palace guards in the press into focusing on silly diversions like a photo demonstrating you don’t know how to fire a gun or why you wouldn’t let them cover your golf game?

OK, nobody reading this has done the last one, but hopefully you see my point as to why the assertion that the president being lazy is a fair one. He was hired to do a job whose chief responsibility is governing and he refuses to do it. A term lefties like to throw at conservative leaders is “Failure to grow while in office”, but their champion is actually a case study for this phenomena, and they share a great deal of the blame for why it is happening. Think about it – why would the president grow in office? His career has involved him being carried by others from one unearned accomplishment to the next. And now the left’s refusal to look at him honestly and challenge him to grow out of his comfort zone gives Obama no reason to do so. So the laziness charge holds true, and the left’s need to ignore why it would have been leveled against the president is part of why he he remains lazy.

I had written previously about the why I believe that many of the president’s supporters are far bigger racists than those they would level that charge at. When Eric Holder calls us a nation of cowards for not talking about race he has a valid point, although not in the way that he believes. Our failure to hold an incompetent president accountable in the same way that a white Republican would be, not to mention our failure to confront racists like the Al Sharptons of America are acts of cowardice on us as a whole1. Then again, Holder conveniently ignores how far our country progressed in terms of race relations. In 2008 we elected a black man to the highest office in the land despite being completely unqualified, and in 2012 we re-elected our first incompetent black president. How do you not call that progress?

The sad part of this is that the left is so instinctive about lunging for their race card security blanket that they missed an opportunity to level what would have been a valid complaint against Ailes. If I’m a leftist and I’m reading that interview I’d be asking how appropriate it is for the head of a major media outlet to be personally firing off such a blistering criticism of a sitting president, especially if that outlet’s views are generally opposed to the ideology of that president2. I’m sure that somebody out there on the left raised this question, but it’s sad when the two biggest left wing cable news outlets ignore the real story in favor making fools of themselves with their tired, discredited arguments.

And an even bigger opportunity was lost when they failed to challenge Ailes’ remarks suggesting that Vice President Biden is as dumb as an ash tray. What Ailes said was inappropriate, offensive, and I truly wish that the journalism community could have worked together into shaming Ailes to issue a heartfelt apology to… the ash trays.

Crossposted from Brother Bob’s Blog

1. Do not try playing the race card on Adam Corolla. Huffpo tried that with him and he he went thermonuclear on them in his response. It’s a great clip, but the language is highly NSFW

2. Yes, I am aware of the bias from the left in the mainstream media, and that is the subject of another post I’m working on. Unfortunately, Baby Bob has not been too sympathetic to his father’s requests for quiet blogging time.

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Brother Bob,

Your post complains about pundits taking Aile’s “lazy” comment out of context, yet you fail to address the fact that Ailes took Obama’s comment out of context in the first place. Read again what Obama said: “There is a deep down, underneath all the work I do, I think there’s a laziness in me.” He’s clearly talking about overcoming, and struggling to overcome, a personal trait that many of us have, and that many of us overcome. Aile’s reduced a reflective moment of self-insight to exactly the very questionable stereotype he’s being accused of: “How many fund-raisers does he attend every week? How often does he play basketball and golf? I wish I had that kind of time. He’s lazy, but the media won’t report that.” Ailes is calling him lazy in the shiftless “I-don’t-work-hard” sense, as his examples clearly attest to, the sense that gets people’s hackles up. Is that what Obama was confessing to?

Nice picture, by the way. It really helps you make your point, believe me.

President Obama, when he is in his de facto office upstairs, he spends his time there often in shorts, or sweats, a t-shirt, and those sandal things…flip-flops.
There is a large screen television in there and that’s where hours of his time are spent when he is actually at the White House.
Day in and day out.
Starting around last spring, he started to take regular briefings in there.
And the instructions that went out on those briefings to the president were that they were to be most importantly – brief.
Anything more than about 15 minutes is unacceptable to Obama.
So let’s look through the eyes of someone heading into Barack Obama’s upstairs office at the White House to give him a briefing.
Maybe it’s on national security.
Maybe the economy.
Energy policy.
Whatever – doesn’t matter.
The scenario being played out these days is pretty much the same regardless of the particulars.
You knock on the door – it’s always closed.
Always.
Often you have to knock for some time before being given approval from inside to enter.
The big screen will be on – the volume loud.
You can easily hear it from outside the door.
The sports channels are the ones most commonly playing, though sometimes the channel will be set to music, or Fox News.
Sometimes Valerie Jarrett might be there, but most often it is just the president and his personal aide.
A large leather chair will be facing the television – it’s well worn.
Not part of the White House furnishings but something the president must have brought in from back home.
That’s where you’ll most often find the President of the United States – the most powerful man in the free f-ing world.
He often sits with one leg draped over one of the chair’s arms and the other leg stuck straight onto the floor. Shorts, sweats, a t-shirt, and like I said, no shoes or just those sandal things that so many of the younger people like to wear these days.
And that leg that’s draped over an arm of the chair will be bopping up and down, like…like someone with a lot of nervous energy.
Like a kid does.
And there’s the smell of smoke hanging on the president.
The guy never quite smoking – that was all bulls—.
In fact, there’s one of those smokeless ash trays on the desk in there.
And that desk, it’s a mess.
Magazines spread out all over it.
Real low brow reading material the president is into.
People.
Rolling Stone.
Lots of those tabloid things.
The most common thread with this s— is it’s about the president.
If it’s about him, he’s gonna read it.
Good or bad – doesn’t matter.
If somebody is talking about him, he’s reading it.
The guy’s self-obsession is off the f-ing charts.

Read more: http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/white-house-insider-the-obama-plan-part-three-2/#ixzz2NLMhOw2B

That was written about Obama back when Reggie Love, his body man, was his personal assistant.
Sounds like he’s a really busy guy…..NOT!
He is lazy.
He is obsessed with himself and his pleasure.
Our nation’s business is an irritant to him.
It breaks into his real life.

@Tom:

Tom, I have to say that regardless of whether one believes that Aile’s took Obama’s comment “out of context” or not, his main point within the article still stands. That is, that the ‘racism’ angle is the first thing being jumped on by leftist journalists and commentators, when it is clear that there was no such intent, on Ailes’ part, in the first place.

@johngalt:

I have no idea if he was truly being racist, but he was clearly misrepresenting what Obama said, and then using that misrepresentation as a cover from which to characterize the actions of the President as lazy. The President never stated he’s been lazy while in office; in fact, what he said was the exact opposite, that he consciously fights any temptation to be laid back. Ailes can have his opinion about Obama, but when he stated that “Obama said that” he veered into a clearly dishonest misrepresentation. It’s a very cynical move on his part: here’s a person taking a deep, honest self-inventory and I’m going to grab the obvious buzz word and use it against him because now I can, because he said it first. I would wager Ailes knew exactly what he was doing.

@Tom:

While what you stated, about Ailes’, may be true, depending upon your perspective, it still doesn’t discount the leftist journalists and commentators who used racism as their criticism of Ailes’, when that clearly wasn’t his intent. That’s my point, as well as Brother Bob’s from above. Those people intentionally left out Ailes’ criticism of other people, who are white, in a deliberate misrepresentation of Aile’s criticism(whether or not one believes Ailes’ criticism is justified).

I’m not defending Ailes’, in any way. Just pointing out that the journalists and commentators criticizing him are being disingenuous.

@Tom:

Being a leftist, you choose to see the “racism” in Roger Ailes comments, just as the left wingers on the alphabet networks do, by avoiding that Ailes also said that Joe Biden is “dumber than an ashtray.” Now why would that be? Is his comment about Biden also “racist?”

We have plenty of examples where the pseudo-journalists of the alphabet networds try to trump the race card in every story. Who the hell was it that came up with the term “white-Hispanic” in order to create a senario where one race was pitted against another.

The problem these people face now is that the race card is so dogeared and so worn that it is hard to use it anymore for a trump card.

I think there’s a laziness in me.

This is a clear admission on Obama’s part that he tends to be lazy. But people already know that, don’t they? Except when it comes to his perpetual campaigns.

And what about Joe Biden’s statement that Obama was “clean and articulate?” Could that not be considered “racist” indicating that a “clean and articulate” black man was an exception, not the norm?

@johngalt:

There are words and phrases that carry historical weight and connotation. I’m not going to tell those affected how to feel about them. This doesn’t mean these words can’t be used accurately about particular individuals, but they should be used carefully. What’s interesting to me is how this intersects with the idea of political correctness. Certainly there may have been a time when political correctness was enforced in an over the top manner. I’m sure it strangled honest conversation at times and led to incorrect assumptions regarding motivations at others. But what’s clear to me is that some people have taken the concept of moving beyond political correctness to mean that they can say things they think and can’t be blamed for them. And that’s an oversimplification of another sort, and equally as wrong. Simply put, everything that is said should be judged on its own merit. There shouldn’t be blanket condemnation, nor blanket indemnification from condemnation. The reason I described Ailes as “cynical” is because I have a hard time believing he didn’t know exactly what would happen when he used the word “lazy” in connection with Obama. He read Obama’s quote and used it as a free pass to throw out some red meat to that segment of the population that can only understand Obama through this particular lens, that Obama is just some lazy, empty vessel lifted to his present station. That a person like him could never have done it on his own.

“But let me take this moment to now talk to all the pussies that are out there trying to stir things up and turn me into a racist.”

Dang. Corolla is also sexist? Or maybe he’s maligning cats. It’s hard to tell.

Ailes has called Sarah both stupid and an idiot. He called Gingrich a prick. Has he been known to throw a few back? Does anybody like this guy?

@Richard Wheeler:

Clearly he knows how to push buttons. Look at what he did here. He got the Left riled up, which got the Right riled up, both outcomes predictable. He got a good bang for his buck.

@Richard Wheeler:

Ailes has called Sarah both stupid and an idiot.

Well, except for the fact that he didn’t, that makes a great claim.

@Brother Bob:

@Tom: What falls under “All of that work” that the president does? All Ailes had to do was add softball interviews and hold campaign rallies to Obama’s reprtoire and he would have summed up the president perfectly.

i personally find it hard to believe that anyone who is conventionally “lazy” could ascend from Obama’s humble beginings to the Presidency. Do you really find that plausable? Or are you searching for reasons for why he does things you don’t like? I’m sincerely curious as to why you think he’s lazy.

As for Ailes, he’s only the head of one of the biggest news organizations in America, why doesn’t he use those resources to prove his suspect claim? He has a full time White House correspondent; he has access to the President’s schedule; I presume he has sources within the White House. If Obama’s actual work time is appreciably less than GWB’s or Clinton’s, why not bring the evidence forward? Isn’t this the sort of work the press is supposed to do? But he hasn’t done that. Is it possible he’s jerking your chain, using Obama’s quote to stir the pot? I await your evidence to the contrary.

But you’re missing the point of my post – why does the left start instinctively start shrieking “RACIST!” whenever something gets said that they don’t want to hear?

I didn’t miss it. I just don’t see Roger Ailes as the noble victim you see, the man who spoke truth to power and was slimed for it. The fact is, he hasn’t spoken entirely truthfully, and his motives don’t’ seem very pure to me.

As for the image at the top, I can’t take credit for that.

Ah. Very sloppy of me. My apologies.

@Aye: I stand corrected.. Neg quotes re Palin were alleged to have been made by Ailes in 2011– he denied making them.

Tom Agree Ailes, like FOX, knows how to roil the waters. Should sell some books.

@Tom:

Obama’s humble beginings

Yeah, Tom. Kids from humble beginnings get to attend the toniest prep school in Hawaii, where haoles are the minority. And kids from humble beginnings get to attend not one, but three very VERY expensive universities.

If Obama’s actual work time is appreciably less than GWB’s or Clinton’s, why not bring the evidence forward? Isn’t this the sort of work the press is supposed to do?

And who do you propose do that? What alphabet network do you think will actually report that? Hell, they didn’t even want to report on Fast & Furious or Benghazi until forced to do so. So while the media, that you seem to trust, were more than happy to report on the outing of a non-covert CIA employee during the Bush administration, they are more than happy to not ask any questions of this administration.

@retire05:

Yeah, Tom. Kids from humble beginnings get to attend the toniest prep school in Hawaii, where haoles are the minority. And kids from humble beginnings get to attend not one, but three very VERY expensive universities.

I don’t even know where to begin. You clearly are not up to speed with how American higher ed works. Where someone goes to college or law school is hardly an indicator of family wealth. I have no idea financially how Obama attended those schools, but you’re assumption holds zero water in general. Are you under the mistaken impression that Harvard Law, because it is prestigious, is radically more expensive than many tier 2 and 3 law schools? Are you familiar with scholarships? Financial aid? Student loans? To use the most prestige University in the country, Harvard, as an example, “70 percent of our students receive some form of aid, with over 60 percent receiving need–based scholarships.” In other words, someone attending Harvard College is more likely than not to have required aid.

And who do you propose do that? What alphabet network do you think will actually report that?

Not sure where the confusion resides. I specifically referred to Roger Ailes and Fox News.

@Brother Bob:

@Tom: If you know the president you’re probably familiar with how he won his previous elections, and how we have no academic records, publications, or any tangible achievements in his past. Ailes didn’t have to dig since there’s nothing to dig for. A better question would be why there is no evidence of individual accomplishment in the president’s past? As for today, if he’s doing his job why haven’t we had a budget in three years, and why is he out campaigning when he should have been sitting down and negotiating with the Republicans?

A portion of this is in the eye of the beholder. If creating personal wealth is your primary metric, then Obama was not particularly successful. Let’s remember that after graduating Harvard Law School, the Editor of Harvard Law Review, he could have printed money on Wall Street if that was his ambition. His oft mocked “community adviser’ job may not impress you, but think of what he left on the table to do something he felt strongly about. And some consider teaching at a top five Law School to be no small feat, or writing a well reviewed best selling memoir. Hell, some consider being a US Senator, or President, to be not exactly synonymous with failure.

As for ‘no budget in three years”, I was pretty sure Congress had something to do with that.

If someone believes that Obama is lazy, as Ailes and I do, what would be the appropriate way to level that criticism? We both agree that Ailes was overboard, so if you were to play Devil’s advocate and put yourself in my shoes, how would you recommend I make my case?

Simple. Make it with facts. You seem to know he’s lazy: how? If you think he’s not doing anything, prove it. I mean, how do you know it’s true otherwise, without evidence?

As I pointed out above, it’s not like his movements are secret: there’s an entire gaggle of people following him around all day. And it’s not like his schedule is secret.. Okay, maybe it wouldn’t be easy for you, but do you really think Roger Ailes doesn’t have the resources to check the schedule every day and find out what he’s really up to? But that doesn’t get you off the hook. Your claim, your onus to prove it.

@Tom:

According to a 1987 NYSlimes article, the average tuition for both Columbia and Harvard then was around $17.000 per year. This did not include student fees, books or housing.

So, why don’t you explain to us where a boy “from humble beginnings” got that kind of money? And didn’t Obama say when he was campaigning in 2008 that he, and Moochelle, had just paid off their student loans? So it took him almost 20 years to pay off his student loans? No wonder that program is such a bad deal.

Now, the best I can learn is that Occidental College’s tuitions are in line with Columbia University. Where did he, that boy from humble beginnings, get that kind of money when he was 18? How did he support himself? He wrote in his book that he had only one summer job while at Occidental and Columbia.

but think of what he left on the table to do something he felt strongly about.

And exactly what do you think he left on the table after graduating from Columbia?

@retire05:

According to a 1987 NYSlimes article, the average tuition for both Columbia and Harvard then was around $17.000 per year. This did not include student fees, books or housing.

So, why don’t you explain to us where a boy “from humble beginnings” got that kind of money?

I thought we covered that already. I imagine having a debate with a doornail would be much like this. I refer you back to my post 17. At your leisure, feel free to Google such terms as “scholarship”, “financial aid” and “student loans”.

@retire05:

And didn’t Obama say when he was campaigning in 2008 that he, and Moochelle, had just paid off their student loans? So it took him almost 20 years to pay off his student loans? No wonder that program is such a bad deal.

Add abysmal math skills to your list of attributes. He graduated HLS in 1991. He’s stated that he finished repaying his loans circa 2004. Student loans are structured in different ways. Sometimes they’re fixed, sometimes they’re income contingent. If you understood student loans (clearly you don’t) that’s hardly an unusual payoff time. (And neither is 20 years,by the way.)

But please continue. I’m enjoying your parade of ignorance.

PLEASE QUIT FEEDING THE DAMM TROLLS!!!!!

@Richard Wheeler:

An executive of the Fox News Channel said Monday that Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes does not think poorly of former Alaska governor Sarah Palin…..

“I know for a fact that Roger Ailes admires and respects Sarah Palin and thinks she is smart,” Fox News Channel executive vice president of programming Bill Shine told the New York Times. “He also believes many members of the left-wing media are extremely terrified and threatened by her.”

“Despite a massive effort to destroy Sarah Palin, she is still on her feet and making a difference in the political world,” Shine added. “As for the ‘Republican close to Ailes’ for which the incorrect Palin quote is attributed, when Roger figures out who that is, I guarantee you he or she will no longer be ‘close to Ailes.’”

@Ditto: Got it—note Palin’s contract with Fox was not renewed for 2013.
Where does she go from here?

@Brother Bob:

When you’re asking me to provide evidence of our president’s lack of accomplishment it’s as if you were pointing to that gaping hole in space where Alderaan used to be and telling me to prove the planet is gone.

I’m afraid you’re mistaken or confused. I never requested you “provide evidence of our president’s lack of accomplishment”. I suggested “facts” in answer to your question:“If someone believes that Obama is lazy, as Ailes and I do, what would be the appropriate way to level that criticism?” The army of strawmen in your response suggests you haven’t come up with any.

And as for the budgets, if Bush was such an idiot and Obama is so brilliant, how is it that it was Obama that had one budget voted down unanimously by the House, another by the Senate, and one that the CBO basically said, “You can’t score a speech”?

Are you suggesting the relative intelligences of Bush and Obama can be measured definitively by how Congress voted on budgets while only one of them was President? Please walk me through the logic of this statement, and how it proves anything about Bush.

For someone who you so devotedly support I’m kind of surprised you can’t list any actual accomplishments that made you think he was worthy of becoming president.

You show me the “list of accomplishments” in the Constitution qualifying one for the Presidency and I’ll happily point out the ones Obama aced.

@Brother Bob:

And Brother Bob, just to be clear, in your weird rant when you claim that I “can’t list any actual accomplishments”, I believe I did in fact list the following:
Degree – Harvard Law School
Harvard Law Review Editor
Senior Lecturer at University of Chicago Law School
Published best selling author
Senator
President of US

Apparently you don’t consider those “accomplishments”. But let’s be clear. This was a discussion about an accusation of “laziness”, not accomplishments. You claim you believe he’s lazy, but you can’t come up with a reason why except this vague “lack of accomplishment” test that you just threw together, and have yet to adequately define. So is a guy who digs ditches ten house a day “lazy” as well? It sure seems like you just see a lazy man and now, for the first time, you’re being asked Why? and you’re floundering. I sure know I wouldn’t want to call someone lazy based on zero evidence. People might get the wrong impression of how I came to that conclusion.

@Tom:To Brother Bob “I wouldn’t want to call someone lazy based on zero evidence.People might get the wrong impression of how I came to that conclusion..” CLASSIC

@Tom

Degree – Harvard Law School

Along with John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Theo. Roosevelt, FDR, JFK, Bush 43

Harvard Law Review Editor

selected, as Obama admitted in a letter to another HL student, due to the affirmative action policies of Harvard at the time.

Senior Lecturer at University of Chicago Law School

Along with number of Ph.D. candidates.

Published best selling author

And that is a presidential qualification test? Ann Rice is a best selling author. Want her for president?

Senator

Which means squat. The presidents who have had more prior executive experience are not those who were some first term Senator, but those who were governors of the states.

President of US

As where how many?

@retire05:

What the hell are you talking about? How does the fact that there have been other HLS graduates, or other lecturers at UCL, or other Presidents for that matter, diminish these as accomplishments? So by your thought process, George Washington is the only person who can claim the Presidency as an accomplishment? I know you’ve been getting your a*s handed it you on another thread, but you’re not going to regain your confidence at my expense, not with this illogical drivel.

@Tom: reto5 says John Adams,John Quincy Adams,FDR,TR,JFK and Yalie HW have HLS Degrees. Wrong on all counts. HLS started in 1817–also helps to know the difference between the College and the Law School.
My favorite NO credit for being POTUS “as WHERE how many?” Wow.

@Tom:

What the hell are you talking about? How does the fact that there have been other HLS graduates, or other lecturers at UCL, or other Presidents for that matter, diminish these as accomplishments?

Simple; those accomplishments you listed don’t make Obama unusal. Many others, in all walks of life, not just politics, had also accomplished that very same list.

So by your thought process, George Washington is the only person who can claim the Presidency as an accomplishment

Never said that, but like all liberals, you want to put words into someone’s mouth that isn’t there. As to GW, yes, he is the star by which all ships should direct their course.

I know you’ve been getting your a*s handed it you on another thread,

Which has what to do with this thread? And you wonder why I’m nasty to you liberals? That’s why.

@Richard Wheeler:

My favorite NO credit for being POTUS “as WHERE how many?” Wow.

And Obama’s ability to reach the highest office in the land is greater than those that came before him?

@retire05: @retire05: “as WHERE how many?” You got a U.T. degree?
You say “Many others accomplished that very same list” I got ZERO—How many have you got?

@retire05:

Simple; those accomplishments you listed don’t make Obama unusal. Many others, in all walks of life, not just politics, had also accomplished that very same list.

More idiocy. By what definition does an accomplishment have to be “unusual”? An A on a report card, graduating from college, finishing a marathon, doing a tour of duty in Afghanistan, learning a foreign language: none of these are unique, but they’re all accomplishments.

Never said that, but like all liberals, you want to put words into someone’s mouth that isn’t there.

You clearly indicated this was the case by claiming that the Presidency was not an accomplishment because others have gone there before. You know, your idiotic “Uniqueness test”. Nice try though.

@Richard Wheeler:

Rich, do you ever wonder why we bother pointing out facts to a pathological liar? To watch a person just bend the truth on the fly, in such an obvious manner, what will this creature gain from facts? Now she’s attempting to change our perception of reality and the commonly understood meaning of words. Does she think anyone will buy it? Or is she completely incapable of controlling herself? The most troubling development is that she’s apparently become immune to humiliation, it just seems to be having zero impact on her word count.

So y’all are proposing that all the listed accomplishments actually serve as only ONE accomplishment?

Got it.

You clearly indicated this was the case by claiming that the Presidency was not an accomplishment because others have gone there before.

You clearly have a reading comprehension peroblem. I dealt with the list as individual accomplishments, not just one big fat one.

You got a U.T. degree?

And you need my educational background why?

@Tom:

Rich, do you ever wonder why we bother pointing out facts to a pathological liar?

Do you ever wonder why most people think liberals/progressives, like yourself, are asses?

@retire05:

Do you ever wonder why most people think liberals/progressives, like yourself, are asses?

What happened to “a promise made is a promise kept“?

The fact remains that contrary to all commonly held definitions and cultural norms, you are claiming that an accomplishment must be unique to qualify for that designation. Either that’s another desperate ham-fisted lie, the ones you employ when the urge to nastily disagree with someone overcomes all common sense, or you’re ignorant of what our culture commonly deems an accomplishment. Let’s remember, you think being a Senator or the freaking President of the United States are not accomplishments – your forever damning words. So you tell me, a lie or ignorance?

I disagree that Obama is lazy and incompetent. You can’t increase the debt as much as he has, bring the country as close to socialism as he has, and weaken the Constitution as much as he has in such a short period of time without hard work. He has been very competent at accomplishing what he set out to accomplish much to the detriment of the country or at least to those who still believe the Constitution isn’t a piece of toilet paper.

@retire05:

So y’all are proposing that all the listed accomplishments actually serve as only ONE accomplishment?

Another lie. And so easily disproven. The list you’re referring to is in post 27, and it’s followed by my comment to Bob referencing it “Apparently you don’t consider those “accomplishments”” PLURAL.

You really are one of the worst liars. No effort even.

@Tom:

Tom says:

You really are one of the worst liars

i.e. “Waaaaaa. I can’t win unless I am a nasty person and resort to nothing but personal attacks and insults.”

@Tom:

What happened to “a promise made is a promise kept“?

What promise did I make to you? And are you not a Democrat? Ummm, what is the animal that represents the Democrats? An antelope?

@retire05:

i.e. “Waaaaaa. I can’t win unless I am a nasty person and resort to nothing but personal attacks and insults.”

Oh I already won, as evidenced by y0ur inability to respond to anything I’ve called you on.

What promise did I make to you?

Not to me, to someone else. Just another broken promise. (sigh)

@Tom:

Not to me, to someone else. Just another broken promise.

OK, so you know I made a promise to someone else. How does that apply to you? News flash!!! It doesn’t. And since you are such a know-it-all, perhaps you would like to explain exactly what that promise was, since it wasn’t made to you?

You’re just another liberal/progressive who thinks he is so much smarter than he actually is.

@Brother Bob: Hypothetically, if Tom and I were to accuse you of being lazy,wouldn’t the burden of proof be on us? We simply ask the same of you re BHO.
In #27 Tom provides a list of accomplishments that by any reasonable assessment are pretty damn impressive.Wouldn’t you agree?
BTW Nan’s #2 Anon. source—-Worthless
BB Suggest you spend a little time responding to Tom’s #27 and then outline your case. Thanks

Semper Fi

@Brother Bob:

Not sure how many times or ways I can explain this to you guys. Being elected to offices would be accomplishments if they weren’t handed to Obama in the way that they were. You did do your homework on them, right?

More vague nods toward half-baked conspiracy theories. Zero facts, zero evidence in sight (again). If our President is half as lazy as your attitude toward defending your statements and claims, then I’d agree we’re in trouble.

@Tom: Top O’ The Mornin’ to my Irish friends.

Brother Bob Is that really the best you can do?