Obama "Urges" Israel To Stop Any Planned Ground Invasion Of Gaza

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Obama is “urging” Netanyahu to stop any planned ground invasion of Gaza…I'm hoping Netanyahu told him to get bent:

Though President Obama uttered immediate and firm public and private assurances that Israel has a right to defend itself from rocket attacks emanating from Gaza, administration officials have been privately urging Israeli officials not to extend the conflict, a move that many American officials believe could benefit Hamas.

A protracted escalation, the officials fear, could damage Israel’s already fragile relationships with Egypt and Jordan at a time when both of those governments have been coming under pressure from their own populations.

Yes Prime Minister, please ignore the hundreds of missiles launched into your country. They really aren't hurting anybody right?

And for what? To “save” relationships with countries that want to see you obliterated from the face of the earth?

You gotta be kidding me.

This President and his policies have helped to completely destabilize the middle east and as a result Israel is completely surrounded:

Libya is supplying Hamas with the most advanced weaponry it's ever had

Iran's Green Revolution was crushed by the Mullahs with the tacit approval of Barack Obama

Egypt — an ostensible ally of the U.S. and Israel — was thrown under the bus by Barack Obama, ceding control of the country to the erstwhile Nazi-aligned Muslim Brotherhood

Algeria and Tunisia are likewise aligning with Al Qaeda

Jordan, Israel's last regional ally — is also about to fall

• And Turkey, once a secular and stabilizing force in the Middle East, is now succumbing to a radical brand of Islamism. Even better: it's a member of NATO

Israel is surrounded.

Israel understands this better than anyone. Calling up 75,000 reserves shows the world that they are prepared to go to war, on two fronts, if need be. The last war with Hamas they buy cheap generic cialisrticle.aspx?id=292272″>only called up 10,000. You think they understand how different the landscape is now thanks to Obama?

Stratfor believes the second front, Iran and Hezbollah, isn't willing to do battle just yet tho:

Though Iran would welcome the opportunity to demonstrate the spectrum of its militant proxy strength, especially after supplying Hamas with the long-range Fajr-5 rockets that have been targeting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, Hezbollah will likely be extremely cautious in deciding whether to participate in this war. The group's fate is linked to that of the embattled regime of Syrian President Bashar al Assad; should Syria fracture along sectarian lines, Lebanon is likely to descend into civil war, and Hezbollah will have to conserve its strength and resources for a battle at home against its sectarian rivals. Indeed, Hezbollah has already been preparing for such a scenario by seizing control of villages along the Orontes River Basin in order to maintain connectivity with Syria's Alawite community.

Makes sense when all they have to do is to keep re-supplying Hamas anyways:

Lebanon's Al Akhbar, a site associated with Hezbollah, reports that Hezbollah is in contact with Hamas to replenish its arsenal of long-range rockets that has been reportedly decimated by Israeli airstrikes.

The report says that on Friday an alert was sounded in the ranks of Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. It was raised towards all those who know how to smuggle weapons from Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Sudan and other countries to the Gaza Strip.

During the first hours of the fighting, there was communication between Hezbollah and the terror factions in Gaza, especially Hamas, to determine the size of the damage done to the stores of long-range missiles. Lebanese and Palestinian terror groups along with the Iranian Revolutionary Guards are working to supply groups in Gaza, in anticipation of a prolonged battle. According to the report, the focus is on the transfer of large amounts of long-range missiles.

But all hope isn't lost. Obama is just a phone call away to “urge” Israel to capitulate…er, I mean to promote a cease fire:

Israel is currently negotiating a cease-fire with Palestinians in the Gaza Strip to take effect later in the night, sources told Channel 2 on Saturday night.

Egyptian President Mohamad Morsi gave credence to the report, saying there are “some indications” of a cease-fire in Gaza, but that there were not yet any guarantees.

…The agreement is backed by Turkey, Qatar, Egypt and the United States, according to Channel 2.

Oh wait:

…[Hamas leader Khaled] Mashaal, according to the sources, set his movement’s conditions for a cease-fire. These include an Israeli pledge to stop “all forms of aggression, including assassinations, and lifting the blockade on the Gaza Strip.”

More red lines for Israel it seems…ain't gonna happen, shouldn't happen.

“The world tells Israel ‘wait, there’s still time.’ And I say, ‘Wait for what? Wait until when…Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel…”
Prime Minister Netanyahu

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Curt served in the Marine Corps for four years and has been a law enforcement officer in Los Angeles for the last 24 years.

77 Responses to “Obama "Urges" Israel To Stop Any Planned Ground Invasion Of Gaza”

  1. 1

    Scott in Oklahoma

    Was there any doubt in anyone’s mind around here that this was exactly what was going to happen as a result of the election? Wait until Israel finds out some of the shoulder fired missles heading in their direction came from Obama, through Libya and Syria. The ugliness has just begun.

  2. 2

    retire05

    Earlier yesterday, Egyptian president Morsi said:

    “I don’t want to taek unusual steps, but if I see that the homeland is in danger, I won’t hesitate.

    Gaza will not remain alone as it was,’ adding that the aggressors ‘know they will pay a heavy price when they continue their aggression.’

    He further said that the post Mubarak Egypt was completely different and that all Egyptians were determined to stop the offensive on the Gaza Strip.

    ‘The blood spilled over there will not give the other side peace and will serve as a curse on them. It iwll incite all the people of the region against them.'”

    Sounds pretty threatening against Israel, in my view. But then, what did Obama do? Of course, after Morsi’s statements, later yesterday he called Morsi and thanked Morsi for trying to help calm the situation. Morsi threatens Isreal and Obama thanks him for calm? Am I missing something here? Is our president an absolute and total idiot?

    At Friday night prayers, Morsi told the terrorist cave men faithful “The price will be high [for Israel] if the aggression continues.”

    Now, I am quite sure Larry will find some way to excuse the actions of the U.S. president in complimenting President Morsi considering Morsi’s not-so-veiled threats to Israel.

    Israel knows, Curt, that the attacks on them from the Gaza strip will never, EVER end as long as there is one Islamist to fire off a rocket. Obama’s Middle East spring is just about to turn into a ME nightmare. And his lack of intellect when it comes to the Middle East, thinking because he lived in Indonesia as a child and had a half sister that is Muslim, would give him street cred with a bunch of radicals who want nothing more than the total destruction of Israel and another, or twenty, 9-11’s. So in spite of all Obama’s panhandling and glad handing, Israel prepares for war and with it goes Obama’s wet dream of a peaceful partnership with the Middle East.

    Also yesterday, Congress passed a “We stand with Israel” resolution, which is going to get cross ways with the Obama doctrine.

  3. 3

    Scott in Oklahoma

    @retire05: Are we forgetting that, in all probablility, Obama is actually at least a Muslim, if not a radical Islamist? I didn’t think this the entire time he’s been in office, it’s been my developing theory after watching the way Obama relates to Christians and Muslims… he won’t do anything to help Israel…

  4. 6

    Nan G

    The US just prevented Iran from sending delegates to a UN Third Committee meeting here by denying visas from any Iranians who had planned to be part of the human rights meetings.
    Far as I can recall, this is a first.

    As far as Obama being a Muslims and YET killing other Muslims through drones/war, most Muslim deaths are caused by fellow Muslims.
    But I don’t think Obama is Muslim.
    He LOVES to drink, to be in mixed company, music, to eat pork.
    All those things are verboten (haram) to Muslims.
    Obama has a deeply naive love for some imaginary version of Islam.
    Obama allows this naivety to drive his policies.
    It is that which is costly to other Americans’ lives.
    We might mistake Obama’s dreamily perfect ideal of Islam to be simply PC; Political Correctness.
    But mere PC has never been as costly to the lives of Americans.
    One thing happened to surprise me, yesterday: Obama’s White House sent out word that Israel had a right to defend itself.
    Hamas has already been caught lying about their injured/dead.
    Egypt has either allowed or not prevented rocket fire from Egypt into Israel.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-rockets-fired-egypt-hit-israel_663502.html
    Israel has every right to defend itself from Hamas in Gaza and from whoever is firing at them from the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula as well.

  5. 7

    retire05

    @Scott in Oklahoma:

    No, while I don’t think Obama is a Christian, I also don’t think he is a Muslim, at least not in the true sense. I have always felt that Obama is apathetic when it comes to religion. I believe that the joining of Jeremiah Wright, Jr.’s Trinity church was more political than religious. That area of Chicago is not trusting of outsiders, especially someone who is half white, and Wright’s church gave him the needed street cred with those he was trying to influence.

    More importantly than Obama’s religious beliefs is his attitude toward anti-colonialism. He views Great Britian as a colonial power that abused other nations to gain their wealth, and that attitude is transferred to the U.S. in the same way. His associations with Palestinians throughout the years, Palestinian college roommates, friendship with Edward Said, Rashid Khalidi, all formed his view of Israel as another colonialist power that is an oppressor. Obama’s father was a rabid anti-colonialist, and remember, Obama’s book is Dreams FROM My Father, not Dreams OF [an absent] Father.

    You are correct; if given the choice, Obama will do nothing to help Israel. His sympathies lie with those he feels have been oppressed by Israel.

  6. 8

    retire05

    @Nan G:

    While Obama may say that Israel has the right to defend itself, it is quite another thing to aid our only ally in the region, and that, he will not do. His statements are pure political posturing, especially after Congress passed a resolution supporting Israel.

    Do not trust the fox guarding the hen house.

  7. 9

    Greg

    What do people think a President of the United States should do? Publicly encourage Israel to commence a ground war that’s going to inevitably result in many civilian casualties?

    In my opinion, Obama’s public statement that Israel has a right to defend itself from attack and a right to decide for itself how to do that is precisely what should have been said.

    @retire05, #8:

    His statements are pure political posturing, especially after Congress passed a resolution supporting Israel.

    Effective foreign policy involves both carefully considered actions and a constant awareness of how your words and actions are perceived. The United States continues to provide a high level of aid to Israel. Obama has actually increased military aid to Israel. It is not to the advantage of the United States to be seen by the entire Muslim world as endorsing every military action taken by the State of Israel, however. It is in our own national interest that Israel be seen as the autonomous actor that it is.

    Maybe the importance of perception is lost on some people. The GOP certainly hasn’t demonstrated much concern about perception lately. An apparent insensitivity in that area recently contributed to their loss of a number of elections. It’s one of the reasons I would have been worried about foreign affairs under a Romney administration.

  8. 12

    Smorgasbord

    I’ve never understood why EVERY president for many years has asked Israel not to go after the ones launching thousands of rockets at them, and who knows how many deaths were caused by the rockets. How many rockets would we allow Mexico to launch at us when Canada and other countries ask us not to respond?

  9. 13

    Smorgasbord

    @Scott in Oklahoma: #3
    I came to the conclusion that obama is a Muslim a long time ago, and wants to change the USA into a Muslim State. The newest evidence is the ring he wears on his ring finger. He has worn it since college. He didn’t replace it with a wedding ring when he got married. To me, a weddin g ring shows the world you are dedicated to one person.

    obama’s ring says, “There is no god but Allah.” Why would he want to keep that ring on his ring finger when he could put it on another finger and wear a wedding ring on his ring finger? Why does Michelle allow him to wear it instead of a wedding ring?

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/obama-wedding-ring-mystery-dates-to-harvard/

  10. 14

    Pete

    Anyone who thinks Israel should remain calm is a hypocrite. If mexican drug thugs started launching HUNDREDS of missiles into LA, Phoenix or El Paso would you be telling us to remain calm? The muslims see weakness in the current marxist turd befouling the white house and they are attacking Israel again for the crime of refusing to be slaves to islamic thug overlords.
    If I were Netanyahu I would have treated Obama as he was treated. I would have scheduled time on a TV show that conflicted with any meeting with Obama.
    Obama and all leftards are anti-American. They will do whatever it takes to weaken us and our allies. I can only pray that God has mercy on all of us.

  11. 15

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Pete
    hi,
    they are definitely not working too hard for the welfare of AMERICANS,
    any other PRESIDENT and MITT ROMNEY would do already better has he been the PRESIDENT
    AT THIS TIME, he would have found the compromise of the two partys which would have bring a fair result
    to the coming CLIFF, HE WOULD HAVE DECIDE TO REPLACE THE OBAMA CARE WITH A BETTER ONE AS HE DID FOR HIS STATES WHICH WAS SPECIALLY FIT FOR A STATES, AND ALL STATES TO KEEP THE POWER ON THEIR CARES FOR THE CITIZENS,
    HE WAS CHOSEN BY MANY GOVERNORS WHICH MEAN HE HAD THE SKILLED TO BE A BEST PRESIDENT A SMART ONE AND A CLASSY ONE TO BE RESPECTED BY THE WORLD.
    what a lost for AMERICA

  12. 16

    Wordsmith

    editor

    @Smorgasbord:

    obama’s ring says, “There is no god but Allah.”

    Isn’t this merely an urban legend by anti-Islam conspiracy theorists?

    Even if his ring did say this, what of it? There could be any number of reasons as to why:

    the professor said that he believes the president’s claims that he is a Christian and that the purpose for the ring might be more rooted in other sentiments that lay outside of the Islamic religious tradition. In fact, some individuals wear rings similar to Obama’s for personal protection, he said.

    “Usually people in the Middle East — they wear such rings just for protection against any evil [spirits], car crashes — to keep them safe from evil,” he explained.

    While the academic contends that Obama may be wearing a ring that publicly pronounces a belief in one God, gold, in some areas of the Middle East, is not a metal that many Muslim men are permitted to wear. Thus, by some standards and in certain localities Obama’s ring would disqualify him from entering a mosque or even participating in worship — theoretically, speaking.

    While the Duke scholar seemed certain of the Arabic script present on the ring, Harvard University’s Dr. Ali Asani, a professor of Indo-Muslim and Islamic Religion and Cultures, told TheBlaze that the images of Obama’s ring were not clear enough to make a determination.

    ~~~

    While he disagreed with the Duke professor that the script is definitively Arabic and that it is, without question, representative of the first portion of the shahada, Asani did agree on one major point: Even if it is the first section of shahada, such a determination would, in itself, mean very little.

    “It’s very clear that its not the whole shahada — of course in the shahada there the two different phrases. One is inclusive,” he explained. “It’s a statement any monotheist could accept — that there’s only one god. It’s only the second part that’s exclusivist.”

    With monotheism being the central underpinning of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, the universalist nature of the shahada’s affirmation of a solitary God can be embraced by any adherent of the aforementioned faiths, Asani corroborated.

    Maybe one day someone will ask him about it. I have Christian symbols and imagery in my apartment due to my affinity for the faith; doesn’t make me a Christian.

    President Obama says he is Christian. What’s the point in doubting that? Where is there any indication that he goes about halting his busy schedule to pray 5 times a day every day? If he were Muslim, he’d proudly admit it.

    Personally, my impression is that he is only fairweathered when it comes to religious faith; that it doesn’t play much of a central role in his life.

  13. 17

    Greg

    Surely most reasonable people understand that Hammas wants an Israeli retaliation that results in many civilian deaths, because outrage toward Israel is the main source of its power. Similarly, our own Islamic extremist enemies want the United States to be widely perceived in the Muslim world as endorsing and encouraging any such retaliation, for the very same reason.

  14. 18

    Pete

    @Wordsmith:

    Islam is nothing but a satanic death cult. The chapters of the koran are arranged in order by length from longest to shortest, with no concern for actual chronology. Islam is the only religion (other than actual satanism) that teaches it is a duty to lie to unbelievers in order to gain advantage over them. (Taqqiyah). Islam is the only “religion” that teaches serving the so-called god ‘allah’ by murdering unbelievers results in an eternal of carnal activity with 72 virgins assigned to the believer who dies in service to the demon. Islam teaches that women are to be used as their husband sees fit, to be beaten as needed and treated as property. Islam is the only religion that teaches non-believers are to be offered the choice to “willingly” convert to their death cult…or be killed unless they are ‘lucky’ enough to be considered a “religion of the book” referring to Judaism and Christianity in which case such people who refuse to worship the demon allah are ‘allowed’ to pay the jizyah to their muslim overlords…and be forced into humiliating second class status.

    Do not try to equate islam with Judeo-Christian religious principles. Islam is nothing more than a death cult started by Mohammed, which historical data shows may have been an egomaniacl epileptic, was a pedophile, and mysteriously reported “visions” of allah-sent emissaries who would magically make up new rules to justify whatever contradictory behavior Big Mo exhibited that clashed with his previous vision-induced proclamations. Have you actually read the koran? I have during one of my three deployments to islamic controlled hell holes. What kind of a ‘religion of peace’ includes an automatic death penalty if you choose to convert out of it to another religion?

    We are at a new phase in the cultural war that started when the forces of islam burst out into Asia Minor and started their wars of conquest centuries ago. Unfortunately we in the west have become weakened by political correctness, laziness and selfishness such that we prefer to act like Chamberlain discussing the Sudetenland with Hitler.

    God is not mocked. Allah is not God. What we are doing in bowing down to muslim sensitivities makes as much sense as bowing down to a bunch of Aztecs demanding their right to raid non-Aztec cities in order to capture victims to sacrifice to Qtzelcoatl by ripping their beating hearts out with onyx daggers.

    Relying on “Coexist” ideological platitudes when dealing with an enemy that cares about it’s victims less than a rabid dog or a parasite will get you nothing but enslaved or dead. It is that simple.

    I pray for Israel’s success in terminating the Hamas cockroaches. And if Morsi follows through on attacking from Egypt, I hope Israel shows the spine to shove their muslim spring right up their arrogant asses.

  15. 19

    Pete

    @Greg:

    So Israel should just let Hamas and the other islamothugs keep launching hundreds of missiles into Israeli cities? How long would you tolerate such attacks from Mexico into the US before you were demanding we invade Mexico?

    Hamas and all the other thuggish islamic-controlled countries openly declare they want to wipe Israel off the map. Tell me, please, what benefit Israel gets by bending over to these barbarians and saying, “Please, Sir, may I have another?” This isn’t some stupid frat initiation comedy…the Israelis are fighting for their very existence against a satanic death cult. It is criminal to me that the US isn’t sending forces into the area in support of the only ally we have in that area of the world.

  16. 20

    Budvarakbar

    @Pete: And the last sentence of your second paragraph is the proof positive that the illegal occupier of the WH is a moo-slime and has NOT converted to Christianity — esp since the rev wright’s church of what’s happening now — is a moo-slime fraud front organization.

  17. 22

    Greg

    @Pete, #19:

    I didn’t suggest that Israel shouldn’t respond. What I said is that it isn’t in our interest to be seen as strongly advocating a military response, because we would then be blamed for the inevitable civilian deaths that follow. That could diminish cooperation with Islamic states across the entire region. We may want cooperation soon, in connection with Iran. Iran would very much like to use Israel to polarize the entire Muslim world against us. Why do you suppose they’re supplying rockets to Hammas?

    Israel doesn’t actually need U.S. troops to deal with Gaza. Israeli forces are fully capable of doing that. Their own problem is how to balance restraint against the necessity for effective action.

  18. 23

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Budvarakbar
    I heard a long time ago the REV WRIGHT has been a MUSLIM,
    before he change to his BLACK MINISTRY.
    BYE

  19. 24

    Budvarakbar

    @Pete:Pete — I have agreed 100% with your comments — but — imho you are making a mistake of thinking that Greggie gives a crap about the US — he would just rationalise away the missles coming in from Mexico and remind everyone that it is our fault that the poor Mexicans are so downtrodden and have a right to take out their frustrations by lobbing over a few explosive devices now and then.. You know — it is the “just keep feeding the other guys to the shark” syndrome. They figger they will never run out of “the other guy” — buys time until some alternate escape can be conjered up — same mental disorder as socialism — works ok until ya run out of other people’s money.

  20. 25

    ilovebeeswarzone

    GREG
    DO you think that you could trust cooperation with any of those MUSLIMS COUNTRIES?
    YOU WOULD BE MORE SECURE TO STICK WITH ISRAEL,
    WHICH YOU CAN TRUST THE WORD,THE OTHER WOULD LIE ALL THE WAY TO THEIR ROCKETS AIM AT YOU WITH A SMILE.
    THEY got OBAMA the same way they got HITLER,

  21. 26

    Aqua

    @Greg:

    I didn’t suggest that Israel shouldn’t respond.

    I think we can do better than that. Our reasons for continuing foreign aid to Egypt is so they will continue they part of the Israeli peace deal. If they are going to go around threatening Israel, we need to let them know that aid is gone. We need to further reiterate that Israel is our ally and we will aid them if any nation interferes with their right to defend themselves.

  22. 27

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Aqua
    hi,
    why the need t send money to EGYPT?
    THE AMERICANS HERE AT HOME NEED THE MONEY THAT IS GOING ABROAD,
    AND THE FISCAL CLIFF is for who, AMERICA must think of at home now because there
    is no money to go anywhere at home, why go spend billions in there,
    they still will hate AMERICA AND TAKE THE MONEY,
    bye

  23. 28

    Budvarakbar

    @Aqua:

    . We need to further reiterate that Israel is our ally and we will aid them if any nation interferes with their right to defend themselves.

    And that includes the US under it current illegitimate pResident

  24. 29

    Wordsmith

    editor

    @Pete: Why golly, no…I’ve heard none of this before. Really new information to me. Thank you for that insight into Islam. In the 8 years worth of blogposts here at FA, none of this has every been discussed, debated, hashed, rehashed, recycled, linked, posted, argued about at all.

    Thank you for the Robert Spencerian point-of-view on Islam.

    Are you new here or something?

  25. 30

    Marine72

    @Smorgasbord: #12: Actually, a bullet is a version of a rocket whose motor has completed its burn. Ask our INS officers their thoughts on the “rockets” currently being sent from Mexico compliments of F&F and the US Department of Injustice.

  26. 33

    FAITH7

    It seems to me Israel has through the years, “tried to keep the Peace”….if they try to defend themselves, the Muslims, [in sync with their ??religion??] “twist” the truth and call Israel the ‘aggressors’ when in fact Israel is just defending herself – quite ludicrous…but not surprising…
    Israel is between a rock and a hard place…they are also damned if they don’t [defend themselves] and we all know already they are damned if they do [defend themselves].

    And for the Won to ask Israel to ‘stand down’ is even more ludicrous… the Won can twist words very nicely, I am surprised he is at a loss for them now….well, I guess when the shit does hit the fan the Won can again go before the UN and claim “it wasn’t us who told them to do it”….

    Gosh with ‘friends’ like that who needs enemies??

  27. 34

    Smorgasbord

    @Pete: #$14

    If I were Netanyahu I would have treated Obama as he was treated. I would have scheduled time on a TV show that conflicted with any meeting with Obama.

    I actually wrote him a letter suggesting that he ask to be on a show the same time obama is. This way it wouldn’t take much extra time from obama. I’m sure the show would love to have him, and obama wouldn’t dare cancel. No reply yet, and don’t really expect to get one.

  28. 35

    Smorgasbord

    @Wordsmith: #16

    Isn’t this merely an urban legend by anti-Islam conspiracy theorists?

    Snopes is thought to be a very liberal web site by many conservatives. I don’t use them, so I will let others figure that out.

    I have read different articles about the ring. They have also shown the pictures to people who read Arabic, and they said it says, “There is no god but Allah.” I guess it is like the George Bush military records or obama’s birth certificate: Each person has to decide for themselves.

    Even if his ring did say this, what of it? There could be any number of reasons as to why:

    He says he is a Christian. If so, why wear a ring that POSSIBLY has a Muslim saying on it. My bigger concern is that he wants to wear it on his ring finger instead of a wedding ring. What if the one you were going to marry asked you to let her wear the same ring she has been wearing on her ring finger for many years? What if you asked the one you were going to marry the same question. Would you be married now? As I mentioned earlier, TO ME, the wedding ring represents the one a person devotes their life to from then on. This is my opinion, and everybody has the right to a different opinion. If the ring proves to be non-Muslim, I will accept that, but that still leaves the question of why he doesn’t wear a wedding ring, which possibly wouldn’t have anything to do with any religion. It just makes me wonder about it, and I am a very curious person.

    I have linked to different videos of him saying he is a Muslim. I have also linked to collage papers that have referred to him as a Muslim. He never seemed to try to correct them. He seems to side with Muslims whenever sides need to be taken. As I have said many times, he is either a Muslim, or he is using them to attain his goal of what he wants America to be. I tend to believe he is a Muslim, and wants to turn the USA into a Muslim State, but I also defend anybody’s right to a different opinion, and I hope we all agree that I have the right to be wrong.

    I told my financial planner that I don’t gamble, but I would bet him a meal that obama won’t run for a second term. I ASSUMED that states would start passing laws that make it mandatory that a candidate for president prove they are legally qualified to be president. A bet you can’t lose isn’t a bet. It is a ripoff. Evidently, you STILL don’t need a LEGAL birth certificate to run, so I owe him a meal.

  29. 37

    Smorgasbord

    @FAITH7: ##33
    Many years ago I either read an article or saw a documentary explaining how Israel and Palestine came to be. If I remember correctly, in the documentary, France gave them the land with only one qualification: Each must agree that both have the right to exist. The Palestinians didn’t live up to their word. Three separate times they actually went to war. Each time Israel won, and gained land from it. Each time they agreed to give the Palestinians some of the gained land back to keep the peace. Each time the Palestinians used the land to get closer with their rockets to send into Israel.

    One time, the land that the Israelis gave to the Palestinians had a huge greenhouse that they had used to grow food. The Palestinians went in and tore it apart. The documentary said that the Palestinians don’t produce anything except hatred for Israel. It does make me wonder why we are giving the Palestinians financial aid, instead of helping them build businesses so they can sustain themselves. I also wonder why we are giving countries like China foreign aid.

    How many times are we supposed to suggest that Israel allow their sworn enemy to keep firing rockets into Israel, killing people, and not do anything about it? Keep in mind that the Palestinian philosophy is that all Israelis MUST die, just because they are Israeli. The weird thing is that they all come from the same family tree.

  30. 41

    Liberal1 (Objectivity)

    @Smorgasbord: #12 Let me try to answer your question. Firstly, we must consider the Jewish-guilt that exists with so many Christians. Down through the ages, Christians have been responsible for persecuting Jews, beginning with the belief that they killed Jesus—who was himself a Jew. With the increase of information in the 20th Century, people in the higher levels of state-craft became increasingly aware of this situation and the need for some kind of restitution restitution—especially for the actions of Hitler and the Nazis, who were themselves Christians—Europe and America made arrangements for the Jewish people to resettle in the middle-east.

    From the beginning the people inhabiting this part of the region—which we refer to as Palistinians—were displaced and discriminated against. Finally, the bulk of them were herded into two areas—Gaza and the West Bank—where Israel continues to impinge of their rights and freedom. Their only resort is to fire rockets into Israel in retaliation.

    Since the world community realizes there are wrongs committed on both sides, but still has some empathy for with the Palestinians because of their treatment by Israel, coupled with this history of Christian guilt about it’s treatment of the Jews, and because of religious association with the Jews of the Old Testament, particularly in the US, this situation has the combined effect of resulting in no American President having a rendering a whole-heartedly criticism against the Palestinians—while still seeming to stand beside Israel on primarily religious grounds.

  31. 42

    Liberal1 (Objectivity)

    @Wordsmith: Supposing Obama was a Muslim—doesn’t he have freedom of religion? A lot of people experiment with different religions or non-religion, especially in college. We know he came to accept Jesus as god through Rev. Wright. Maybe he believed something different prior to that. Can’t a man change his mind, especially on a matter as important as that?

  32. 43

    Pete

    @Wordsmith:

    I am new here. Thanks for asking.

    My opinion on islam is from my own research into the history of islamic violence as it has spread since the 7th century, and the effects I have seen with my own eyes in my time spent in four separate islamic controlled countries in my military career. Simply because my impression of the horribly degrading effects of islam on humanity is similar to Mr. Spencer’s opinion does nothing to diminish the veracity of my statements. Your dismissiveness does nothing to rebut my statement, unless one worships at the altar of moral relativism in which case actual facts do not matter….

  33. 44

    Pete

    @Liberal1 (Objectivity):

    What an incredible load of pseudo-intellectual horse hockey.

    The Jews were there until the Romans crushed their rebellion in the first century AD. Some still lived there but most dispersed around the world, where they were routinely persecuted under all kinds of anti-jewish justifications throughout the centuries. It was the UN (that took over after the British got tired of all the sectarian fighting between post-WWII jews and the arabs in the area) that created the ridiculous 1948 partition between arab and Jew. It was the arabs that attacked the Jewish state for the unforgivable crime of not wanting to live as second class citizens under islamofascism. Israel won that war and the right to exist. The surrounding muslim nations kept starting new wars, in 1956, in 1967, and were about to start another war in 1973 but the Israelis beat them to the punch. In each one of these wars the Israelis were outnumbered by muslims, but they defeated the aggressors. Muslims have committed terrorist atrocities repeatedly, attacking civilians, shooting up Israeli schools, blowing up buses, sending in mentally retarded women and children with suicide bomb vests to blow up shops and restaurants. Truly vile and utterly contemptible acts of barbarism. Now muslims are launching missiles supplied by Iran and Egypt from Gaza, and the IDF is responding to protect their country. Muslims continue to lie about what is going on – even CNN has had to acknowledge that the little muslim boy the Egyptian PM was mourning in that photo for being hit by an IDF air strike was actually killed by a Hamas rocket that fell short of its intended target.
    Israel has EVERY right to defend itself against muslim aggression. Arabs in Israel have the right to vote, to hold public office and to be free. They are not treated as second class citizens within Israel. There is no such country as ‘Palestine’ and if other muslim countries actually cared about the well being of the ‘palestinian refugees’ they would take the money they are spending trying to exterminate Israel and use it instead to take the land – perhaps the Sinai Penninsula that Israel already gave back to Egypt as part of the Sadat-Begin peace treaty that Egypt is now looking to break – to help these refugees build themselves a nation.
    Israel is not the bad guy here. I am not suffering from some ridiculous “Jew Hater” guilt in defending Israel from muslim aggression and lies. There are no such things as unicorns, rainbow bridges or leprechauns, either. Reality is not a ‘shades-of-gray’ concept. There is right and there is wrong. People who want to come up with ‘shades-of-gray’ hairsplitting are trying to force through rationalization the square peg of reality into the round hole of self-justification for their own preferred behavior or perceptions.
    I am just as guity of sin and wrong-doing as the next person. It doesn’t make something less wrong simply because I rationalize an action to fool myself into believing it is right. War is a terrible thing, as I know first hand. But refusing to fight for what is right against evil is always a far worse thing.

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    Wordsmith

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    @Pete:

    I am new here. Thanks for asking.

    Welcome to FA. :)

    Simply because my impression of the horribly degrading effects of islam on humanity is similar to Mr. Spencer’s opinion does nothing to diminish the veracity of my statements. Your dismissiveness does nothing to rebut my statement, unless one worships at the altar of moral relativism in which case actual facts do not matter….

    I’m not trying to be “dismissive”. Nor am I a moral relativist. My point of contention was in you- being a newbie- presuming what I have or have not read or studied. I suppose it’s understandable; I’m just weary of covering old territory for every new reader who isn’t already familiar with where I stand on an issue that always invites long, drawn out back-and-forths. Not your fault. The fault is mine for being abrasive and short on patience in regards to a topic I’m currently not interested in (re)hashing.

    After 9/11, I went from being a reader of everything anti-Islam to someone whose perspective is now more nuanced and down the middle. So just because I challenge certain (conventional rightwing) notions regarding Islam (or in this case President Obama and Islam), I’d appreciate those from the right overeducated on JihadWatch and Andrew McCarthy not to jump to assumptions and conclusions about what I believe and don’t believe; setting up strawmen, repeating everything that’s already been covered time and time again, as though you were educating virgin ears. At least wait until you are certain of it. 😉

    FA is sortalike anti-Islam central. 8 yrs worth of blogposts critical of Islam or Islam-related; self-included in the criticism of Islamic lunacy.

    I’ve gone from piecing together blogposts like this to ones like this. Check the comments section on posts like this.

    And seriously…welcome to FA.

    @Liberal1 (Objectivity):

    Supposing Obama was a Muslim—doesn’t he have freedom of religion?

    Don’t quite understand why you are addressing this one to me. Does my comment #16 leave you with the impression that I’d have a problem with selected religions in the White House?

    @Smorgasbord:

    Snopes is thought to be a very liberal web site by many conservatives. I don’t use them, so I will let others figure that out.

    I’m familiar with that argument; but in my experience, this is for the most part, “reality having a liberal bias”. That is, those on the right who choose to be selective of factchecking only when it serves ideological convenience to do so. Anything that doesn’t back up an entrenched belief system is dismissed.

    He says he is a Christian. If so, why wear a ring that POSSIBLY has a Muslim saying on it.

    Well, a few reasons are proposed in what I linked to.

    He might wear it out of sentimentality and affectionate attachment. If we want to know the personal meaning and reasoning behind it, someone should just ask him. He’s probably getting a kick out of the “not knowing” though, since this has become a hot-topic issue amongst the WND-right.

    There are any number of reasons why people wear or possess what they have. It’s only conspiracy theorists who will speculate and obsess over the most unlikely reasons, though.

    My bigger concern is that he wants to wear it on his ring finger instead of a wedding ring. What if the one you were going to marry asked you to let her wear the same ring she has been wearing on her ring finger for many years? What if you asked the one you were going to marry the same question. Would you be married now?

    That’s between him and Michelle.

    Couples do all sorts of wacky things that are non-traditional.

    I have linked to different videos of him saying he is a Muslim.

    And I’ve seen the context of what he said and why he said it warped and made much of.

    What I believe is that he says things- or has said things in the past- that are of political convenience for him at the time.

    He seems to side with Muslims whenever sides need to be taken.

    Like pissing Muslims off in Pakistan? By increasing predator drone attacks on Islamic militants and al Qaeda leaders?

    I tend to believe he is a Muslim, and wants to turn the USA into a Muslim State,

    What has he done to give rise to this belief that he, personally, wants to turn the U.S. into an Islamic state?

    but I also defend anybody’s right to a different opinion, and I hope we all agree that I have the right to be wrong.

    Of course. 😉

    I told my financial planner that I don’t gamble, but I would bet him a meal that obama won’t run for a second term. I ASSUMED that states would start passing laws that make it mandatory that a candidate for president prove they are legally qualified to be president. A bet you can’t lose isn’t a bet. It is a ripoff. Evidently, you STILL don’t need a LEGAL birth certificate to run, so I owe him a meal.

    Pork chops and bacon? :p

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    Nan G

    Funny how the media plays it’s pro-Hamas/pro-Obama card so hard.
    CNN ran a story about a poor little baby in Gaza killed by Israeli fire while Egyptian prime minister Hisham Kandil was visiting with Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniyeh.
    There was even a touching photo of Egypt’s leader kissing the corpse. (Not corps, Obama 😉 )
    Couple things tipped of REAL REPORTERS that this story was a fake.
    1. The IDF did not launch any airstrikes in Gaza while Egyptian PM Kandil was in Gaza.
    2. Hamas was firing rockets throughout that Friday morning.
    3. Hamas got to the scene first and got rid of all the explosive materials, including all shrapnel.
    4. There is a video and the shrapnel in the video matches almost exactly the shrapnel damage we have seen from rocket fire into Israel.
    5. This child was killed by Gaza rocket fire, not by Israel.
    6. Hamas deliberately fires rockets from civilian areas and hides its weapons caches in mosques and homes.
    7. The Israel Defense Force says that 99 rockets in total that were fired at Israel have hit Gaza itself in four days of conflict.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/18/Bloggers-Catch-More-Dead-Child-Fakery-by-Hamas#comments
    http://honestreporting.com/gaza-child-killed-by-hamas/
    And now, way after the damage has been done:
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2012/11/19/cnns-cooper-retracts-video-palestinian-man-faking-injury

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    John Galt

    @Liberal1 (Objectivity):
    If one was to except your screed about right wing theocrats, and I don’t, the right would have a devil of a time rising to the level of your commisars of the left. If we add up the piles of dead bodies from the heros of the left like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Che and Pol Pot, I’m afraid the right has been left in the dust.

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    Nan G

    Want a laugh amidst the Gaza/Israeli fighting?
    1. Chairman of the Iranian Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Alaeddin Boroujerdi strongly rejected Israel’s allegations that Iran has supplied Gazans with ‘Fajr 5′ (Dawn 5) rockets, saying the resistance does not need Iranian rockets.
    http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9107120208
    2. Islamic Jihad explicitly says that the rockets they are shooting towards Israeli communities are Iranian Fajr-5s.
    http://www.saraya.ps/index.php?act=Show&id=25105

    In Islam lying to further Islam (Taquiyya) is perfectly acceptable.
    IF the stupid leftist media swallows you lies, all the better.

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    Smorgasbord

    @Wordsmith: #45

    What has he done to give rise to this belief that he, personally, wants to turn the U.S. into an Islamic state?

    (1) He said he wants a civilian security force as strong as, and equally funded as the military. I don’t remember anyone answering my question why he would want a civilian force that could defeat the military. This tells me he wants the USA to be a non-free State. I will let each person decide for themselves what kind of government he has in mind.

    (2) He has missed many Christian events

    that presidents have attended for many years. Some vets thank him for not attending, since they have no respect for him. He has attended and hosted many Muslim events.

    (3) He has had known Muslim Brotherhood high ranking officials at the White House, but can’t find time for the Israeli prime minister during a major crises for them, or the Dalai Lama, who was rushed out a back door and right past garbage cans.

    (4) He still does’t admit that the Muslim Brotherhood led the attack on Benghasi, even though one of there high ranking members was seen in the group.

    Pork chops and bacon? :p

    I will send him the money and let him eat what and where he wants.