“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”
It is becoming obvious to everyone, except the MSM who conveniently ignores the public's outrage, the POTUS let Americans be butchered at a diplomatic post in Benghazi, when the assets were ready and capable of preventing this assault on America and Americans.
Once the attack commenced at 10:00 p.m. Libyan time (4:00 p.m. EST), we know the mission security staff immediately contacted Washington and our embassy in Tripoli. It now appears the White House, Pentagon, State Department, CIA, NDI, JCS and various other military commands monitored the entire battle in real time via frantic phone calls from our compound and video from an overhead drone. The cries for help and support went unanswered.
Our Benghazi mission personnel, including our two former Navy SEALs, fought for seven hours without assistance other than help from our embassy in Tripoli, which launched within 30 minutes an aircraft carrying six Americans and 16 Libyan security guards. It is understood they were instrumental in helping 22 of our Benghazi mission personnel escape the attack.
While our president and members of his administration continue to test new lies trying to deflect blame for this tragedy, a far greater crime than refusing to help American diplomats in peril is being revealed; a crime much more sinister when the question of our president's dubious and possibly duplicitous loyalties and sympathies are brought into question.
This dark page of America's recent history will be both an outrage and shame that America will need to live down and revenge as soon as possible, but there is another question on the horizon. Was President Obama supplying weapons to al-Qaeda?
We now know wh
y Ambassador Christopher Stevens had to be in Benghazi the night of 9/11 to meet a Turkish representative, even though he feared for his safety. According to various reports, one of Stevens’ main missions in Libya was to facilitate the transfer of much of Gadhafi’s military equipment, including the deadly SA-7 – portable SAMs – to Islamists and other al Qaeda-affiliated groups fighting the Assad Regime in Syria. In an excellent article, Aaron Klein states that Stevens routinely used our Benghazi consulate (mission) to coordinate the Turkish, Saudi Arabian and Qatari governments’ support for insurgencies throughout the Middle East. Further, according to Egyptian security sources, Stevens played a “central role in recruiting Islamic jihadists to fight the Assad Regime in Syria.”
In actions reminiscent of the Obama/Holder Fast and Furious debacle, but of a much larger and more sinister nature; since supplying arms to drug cartels to use against Mexican nationals and our border security personnel is fairly insignificant when compared to arming our enemies with weapons that will be used to kill American troops and to shoot down civilian airliners. (Yes, for you Liberals, this latest transgression will put you in the crosshairs of the Islamic Fundamentalist if you fly commercially.)
While the office of the presidency is playing international security with the ethics of a Chicago gang member, desperate American pleas for help were ignored and our enemy is being armed.
In the final analysis, after the refusal of the state directed media to address the terrorist attack in Benghazi, it is the power of the president's own propaganda machine that will trap him with the same flowery silliness typical of Vanity Fair's adulation of Obama.
A decision Barack Obama had made, more or less on his own. The president’s decision reached forward into the impersonal future—Qaddafi would be killed, Libya would hold its first free elections—but it also reached back into the personal past, to the things that had made Obama capable of walking alone into a room with a pencil and walking out a bit later with a conviction….He was especially alive to the power of a story to influence the American public. He believed he had been elected chiefly because he had told a story. Now the United States had forged a broad international coalition to help people who claimed to share our values rid themselves of a tyrant.
Without a doubt, Americans need to rid the world of a tyrant, but this one is much closer to home.
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As you know Skook, I have more than once called this guy a treasonous slime. I a few short words, you paint the picture loud and clear
“Anytime a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans who were serving our country get killed, we have to figure out what happened and fix it,” Obama said, speaking with Morning Joe hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski in New Hampshire. “But I do take offense with some suggestion that in any way, we haven’t tried to make sure that the American people knew as the information was coming in what we believed.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/29/obama_takes_offense_to_accusation_that_he_has_not_been_truthful_on_benghazi.html
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But I do take offense with some suggestion that in any way, we haven’t tried to make sure that the American people knew ……as the information was coming in…..what we believed.”
Obama wanted the American people knowing what he wanted us to believe.
He is deflecting all the time.
OFFENDED???
The only group I think of when I hear about being OFFENDED then someone dying is Muslims.
Obama’s been playing the ”I’m OFFENDED” card a lot regarding Benghazi.
Does he think we are as scared of him as, say, Europeans are scared of offending their Muslim populations?
‘Cause, OOOOooooo…., I’m soooo scared of OFFENDING Obama……NOT!
IF Obama was really arming al Qaeda YES, he should be tried for treason.
First proof.
This is starting to percolate. Fact: AFRICOM Commander GEN Carter Ham was relieved of duty post siege.
Another question to add to the pile of unanswereds. WHY?
Rumor mill: What I’m hearing is Gen Ham had a spine and disobeyed Obama”s order to stand down; he had a rapid response team at the ready and tried to save our Ambassador and was promptly fired for it.
WT today:
“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”
The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.
The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africom.
*****
The siege was only an act of war and our pathetic leader’s only two acts of retaliation are to have the not so secret police jail a videographer and it’s now alleged a General was dismissed for trying to save American lives.
In the bizarre world of Obama Statism, did he believe with the death of Osama and by claiming al-Qaeda was finished it was okay to arm them to fight Syria?
He has been fairly free with arming bad people: first the Mexican Drug Cartels, an action that has cost the lives of two federal agents and the lives of countless Mexican nationals, and now he arms the same people we are at war with, an action that resulted in the immediate deaths of four Americans and countless more in the future.
Can we allow Obama more time in a position of authority?
Hasn’t he done enough damage?
It is time to start the trial.
Skook, you have this nailed. How can any soldier go to war and trust this president to have his back? How can anyone go beyond the call of duty to protect the Country and Constitution as they have sworn to do and trust this president? This president has betrayed not only this country, but every one who serves it. (Maybe this isn’t his country!)
Perhaps the firing of General Ham will create an incredible animosity between him and Obama such that General Ham will have no problem outing Obama by relating all that happened.
The position of General let alone the command of AFRICOM take a long time to earn. General Ham has undoubtedly spent the better part of his life preparing for a post of sufficient responsibility. Now shot down by Obama, General Ham will create enmity and disdain Obama.
I trust the good General will be good enough to tell-all and say just how much of a treasonous slime Obama has been by ordering the stand-down.
You don’t know what General Ham said. You only know what Representative Jason Chaffetz claims he said, and Chaffetz is no friend of the Obama administration.
If Obama wanted to keep Ham in a position where he didn’t feel free to speak, firing him certainly wouldn’t be the way to go about it.
There are many in the MSM that need to feel the pitchforks and torches as well, starting with Brian Williams from NBC, who conducted that outrageous interview with Obama where he basically led Obama to the places Obama wanted to go during the entire interview. To the point where he covered Obama during the few awkward moments, and acted as head cheerleader in accusing anyone questioning Obama’s actions on Libya as politically motivated attacks. What utter BS.
@Skookum:
It seems that this administration’s foreign policy is simply not only a disaster for FSOs, but for our soldiers who are dying in Afghanistan at over twice the rate as under Bush; 1,514 total under Obama.
We all know Michael Yon. No journalist has spent more time with the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan than Yon and who can forget Yon’s famous photo of an American soldier cradling a wounded Iraqi child in his arms, like she was his own?
Perhaps this letter, than Yon says he has verified, will shed some light on why our soldiers are dying in Afghanistan. It all boils down to new ROEs.
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/americas-dumbest-war-ever.htm
Obama likes to think of himself as the new FDR. But when FDR ran a war against Germany and Japan, he did not worry about collateral damages. Yeah, as we bombed Dresden, there were thousands of innocents killed. That’s what happens in war. Same with Nagasagi and Hiroshima. People died and if those nations don’t want their citizens killed, they shouldn’t start wars.
Obama’s concerns seem to be that we prevent civilian deaths in Muslim nations. That kind of war policy does nothing but get our soldiers dead, so it would seem that our soldiers do not hold the worth to Obama that Muslims do.
Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon, R-Calif., top U.S. House Armed Services Committee Republican, has penned a letter to Obama.
More here:
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121029/DEFREG04/310290007/McKeon-Obama-Your-Libya-Remarks-Sound-8216-Implausible-8217-?odyssey=nav|head
If Obama Ordered Military To “Secure Our Personnel,” Where Is Proof Of That Order?
We are not the only ones in a rage.
The word is getting out, don’t let up. Send me material through flopping aces. I will use everything that is legitimate.
Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead. Admiral Farragut on the bridge and the sentiments of Skook as he sits in front of his little machine. It is time to bring this fraud down, NOW!
@Greg:
Problem with your thinking: This removal of General Ham happens at the same time frame as live streaming of drone feeds on the attack was happening while a SPECTRE was being scrambled for air support surpression to assist in repelling the assault on our consulate. You supposedly served, if you were in knee deep in the shit and had subordinates or a facility under your jursidiction to protect being attacked would you obey a stand down order and let your men die? General Ham ordered a rapid strike team, with Tyrone Woods part of the orginal rapid response team with more assets being scrambled to cage in and kill the Benghazi attackers. This was done in the face of a White House order to stand down. If the teams and the General complied, the consulate would have been a larger number of American dead.
Here’s a bit more to add.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/why-our-forces-were-told-to-stand-down-in-benghazi/print/
@retire05: #10,
When you have an administration running the Nation which had erased and banned the use of the terms like Islam, Islamic, and Islamist in reference to the war against Islamist terrorists, and the military, intelligence, and all other government department are forced to use the term “Extremist Violent Organizations” is it any wonder the country is being lulled into a sense of complacence about its security, particularly in the ME, by this Administration?
Having lived through the original Watts Riots in Lynwood, CA, I had a brother and a few friends in the National Guard at the time.
Thanks goodness Panetta’s ”rule” that allowed the most powerful nation on earth be cowed by a little mob was NOT the rule back then.
Those National Guardsmen saved Los Angeles.
They didn’t know if they’d have to fire on their own people, either.
This is an excellent article, thanks Mulligan:
This is the tail end of the article, Keep them coming!
@mossomo:
The AFRICOM gen was relieved before this incident. He was actually relieved for using and abusing funds. Like taking his wife on business trips, staying at above per diem hotels and charging the entire ‘business’ trip to the government. Evidently, he did it a lot.
@Skookum: This commentary supports you Skook! http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/obama-375873-video-one.html
@Greg: It worked on McChrystal . . .
Where’s a music magazine turned Obama mouthpiece when you need it?
You need to check your facts Disenchanted. General Ham is not the Four Star General William “Kip” Ward that committed the fraud. Do not lie.
@Skookum:
Perhaps you would also like to post the letter from a soldier deployed in Afghanistan to his father that I linked to from Michael Yon. All the current (like Curt) and former military here will know what that young man is talking about.
If I have one major complaint about George Bush is that he didn’t call a spade a spade when it came to radical Islam. This constant harping about how Islam is a religion of peace and that there are good Muslims who do not wish us harm drives me absolutely nuts. When we were involved in a war against Germany, the FDR didn’t constantly remind us that there were good Germans in Germany who just wanted to live in peace. And he locked up American Germans, and Japanese.
We are fighting a centuries old war. There was symbolism to the date of September 11th for Osama bin Laden, but few Americans know the history of that date. My God, if we can’t call the enemy what they are, how are we to defeat them? Everyone needs to watch this:
Radical Islam is alive and well in our own nation. The Muslim Brotherhood is welcomed with open arms in the White House. It has been rumored that Thomas Pickering has been put in change of investigating Benghazi. Now, that’s what I call putting the fox in charge of the hen house. Nothing like putting someone in charge of investigating the actions of radical Islam who supports radical Islam.
Former Operator on “The Panetta Doctrine” or also known as “The Dumbest Shit I Ever Heard!”….via Blackfive:
Leon Penetta is Either a Dumbass or a Liar
The Secretary of Defense, in his most determined way, continues to try to protect the President from the fiasco in Benghazi. So desperate to shield the President he announced what will be forever remembered as the Penetta Doctrine:
“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”
Of course, in the circles that I ran with, it will be forever labeled “The Dumbest Shit I Ever Heard Doctrine”.
To be fair to Leon, however, his audience for this ridiculous statement was not members of the military and especially not for those in the Special Operations arena who immediately recognized that the entire statement is not a doctrine at all. It is horseshit, nothing more.
The “The Dumbest Shit I Ever Heard Doctrine” was targeted toward civilians. Read the doctrine carefully. On the surface it makes a case for Force Protection being an overriding element of critical decision making and it should be and it makes sense. The Secretary of Defense wants to ensure the safety of our troops and understands the value of “real-time information”. Okay, makes sense, good job Leon, end of story, right?
A couple of points however need to be made.
First. I am certain that Penetta realizes that we have very specially trained folks whose job it is to execute missions just like what was needed in Benghazi. On the other hand, maybe he didn’t, since both of the Generals who he supposedly consulted with have a grand total of ZERO days duty in any Special Operations organization. In fact, they are both old tankers. The senior of which, General Dempsy, has a Master’s degree in literature from Duke University, where he wrote a thesis on the Irish poet W B Yeats. He was a Captain then, and that thesis alone should have rendered him ineligible for promotion to field grade officer.
Second, and this is very important. I don’t know what Penetta’s definition of “real-time information” is, but I suspect that, if Eisenhower had the same doctrine, we’d still be sitting in England waiting to invade Europe.
Let’s review the real-time facts that we know so far. The entire event was being streamed live to the State Department and, in all likelihood, the White House situation room. That’s pretty “real-time” if you ask me, but it gets worse. Not only were we watching the entire damn thing on expensive televisions; we had at least two highly trained special operators on the ground in direct communication!
Do you think the whole Pointe Du Hoc event would have happened during the D-Day attack if Ike and boys had two Navy SEALs telling them that the artillery had been moved?
Maybe MacArthur should have cancelled the Inchon landings in Korea because having a live tv stream and two highly trained individuals on the ground just wasn’t quite enough “real-time information”?
And this is why “The Dumbest Shit I Ever Heard Doctrine” is so ridiculous.
The best “real-time information” possible is eyes on the objective.
Even better is people on the objective with eyes on the enemy.
Even better than that is people on the objective that are highly trained with years of special ops experience in direct communications.
My God people, this was a perfect intelligence situation to execute a forced entry relief operation!
I spent my youth (24 years) in Infantry and tier one Special Ops units and have been up to my ass is serious fighting on many occasions. In all that time, I never hit an objective where two Navy SEALs were already there and feeding me all the information I could ever want! Hell, that wouldn’t even be a raid, it would be a link-up!
What more information do you need? Or was this never about information at all? Was it really the president deciding that the lives of four Americans wasn’t worth as much as a campaign talking point?
In any case, this was not a military consideration made by Penetta or any Generals, it was purely political.
And that pisses me off.
Guys and Gals, I am not supposed to quote over 5 paragraphs; sometimes, the Hemingways and Faulkners among us get their panties in a wad over guys like me who can barely type and only have 6 years of formal schooling, so keep that in mind. This letter is important and I have no intention of stealing anyone’s thunder.
A letter from a trooper in theater:
Dad,
I am fed up. I cannot believe the lack of attention the recent changes in this war is receiving by the media or the country. I think I saw one thing on CNN about the following subject, but I had to dig extensively to find it. The purpose of this letter is to let you know of the garbage that our soldiers are going through right now. With this knowledge, I hope that you take action by writing your congressmen.
First, because of the recent green on blue incidents or “insider threats” as the new buzz phrase dictates, all coalition forces in Afghanistan have completely stopped partnering with the ANA, AUP, and ALP in order to prevent the death of anymore CF casualties by ANSF or Taliban disguised as them. This is also greatly spurred by President Karzi’s indifferent attitude and lack of action to take measures to prevent further insider attacks.
Second, because of this massive change in policy (and complete change in mission) all U.S. forces are forbidden to actively patrol their AO and are to remain on their respective COPs/FOBs. There are only a few exceptions to this rule and they all pertain to “hardening” highway 1 in our AO. We have received orders that clearly state that all CF will no longer be allowed to drop air to ground munitions within the country of Afghanistan. This preempts Karzi’s announcement that will be made shortly that states the above mentioned order, making it a tactical directive that he is ordering.
To the first point: Our mission in Afghanistan is to partner with the ANSF on all levels. Now the policy makers are telling us that we are not allowed to do that and further more we are to take immediate measures to secure ourselves from the ANSF that are co-located with us. So the question now becomes, what is our mission? Furthermore, the implication is that we have absolutely no reason to still be in this country if we are not partnering with the ANSF. So why are we here?
To the second point: I don’t think that the American citizens would be happy if they knew that their soldiers were being prohibited from defending themselves in any way because of politically driven orders, but that is precisely what is happening in this war right now even as I write this letter. The soldiers of the U.S. never engage the enemy unless we know that we have will always have the tactical advantage in defending ourselves, that advantage is the use of close air support and air weapons team. To take those weapons away from us is to level the playing field for the enemy and thus exposing our soldiers to more danger. In the school house they teach us that the minimum ratio that we are to engage the enemy with, is a 3:1 ratio. In other words, we have the highest probability of winning because we don’t fight fair. The sound tactical principles behind this teaching have saved lives. The very presence of aircraft over our foot patrols has also saved lives and now our chain of command is being told by our political leadership that this is now not allowed. If we are not partnering with the ANSF and we are not actively patrolling to prevent our enemies from massing their attacks on our COP and we can’t drop a bomb on the enemy that we have positively identified, than what the hell are we doing here?
Give us a mission or send us home. I honestly have no preference on what the politicians decide, as long as they just make a decision. Of course this will be a terrible inconvenience on the current elections so I am sure we will be forgotten, which really does not seem to be too different for how things have been going for the last eleven years.
Policeman’s foot, Zhari District, Kandahar Province 2011.
Do not buy into what the some media outlets have already said about this. Casually saying that this is a frequent occurrence is false, and is an attempt to downplay the major ramifications for these decisions. We have never been so restricted in defending ourselves as we have now. This is not just a stand down. The other implication of this decision is that we will perhaps never regain our relationship with the ANA after we have executed these measures to protect ourselves from them. Essentially, we have left them to die as we watch from our high-tech cameras and UAVs. They will not forget this and I fear the relationship will never be the same.
I love you very much Dad and I don’t want you to worry about me any more than you already are, but I also know that this has to be brought up, someone has to say something about this. It is wrong to keep this hidden away while American soldiers are under constant threat of death and dying. I don’t care if you send this letter directly, this needs to be known.
Your son,
[In Afghanistan]
Good find Sue S, but if you would copy the link address and then tap the link button above the commentary box you write in, the situation would be more precise. You may still be able to put it in if you have an edit box on your comment in the commentary. I doubt if Black 5 will get upset but Reuters and AP would have their bowels in an uproar.
@mossomo: Keep an eye on this Rodriguez guy — a close eye!
Disenchanted, it is best if you can support your claims with links; otherwise we will disregard or delete material that discredits a man unnecessarily.
@Randy: Ya Think!!??
@Skookum:
Thanks. That letter needs to be read by as many Americans as possible. The ROE have now, under this Administration, been designed to force our military in Afghanistan to enter into a sword fight with both hands tied behind their backs.
I remember when a friend came back from Iraq. He’s a Sapper who later served a year in Afghanistan. While he was in Iraq, orders when out that no American soldier, if being fired upon from a house, business or mosque, could fire back unless they could see the face of the enemy. And under no circumstances, were mosques to be destroyed. It was all “hearts and minds,” baby. And our soldiers were dying because of it. He hated Afghanistan even more as the ROE were even more restrictive. So when you learn that our president is playing patty-cake with the Muslim Brotherhood and James Clapper goes in front of a Congressional hearing, on live TV, and says that the Muslim Brotherhood is secular, and General Casey thinks that lack of Muslim in the military would be a greater tragedy that Fort Hood, you have to wonder if the sole purpose of this administration is to sell us down the river.
You can’t pull these people out of the 7th century if you drag them kicking and screaming. Tonight a good friend, who was an Army medic, told me that being a Muslim is like suffering from battered women’s syndrome. They have never known freedom to any degree, and so when it is presented to them, they don’t know what to do with it and simply trade one dictator for another. Made sense to me.
@mossomo: As a 29 year Marine Officer, I understand General Ham being relieved given the suspected dereliction of duty by the P-POTUS on site in the WH Ops center. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs (JCS) would have no choice but to relieve him of his command. What I do not understand is why the Chairman of JCS didn’t then submit his request for immediate retirement. He either condones the insanity or he doesn’t.
PS: He doesn’t get one $ more of retirement either way. It would be nice that to know that we have more than two general officers with personal conviction to purse the right and honorable course of action (COA).
From Randy, five paragraphs, but only part of the message, from a Brit who knows about being an American:
Marine 72, thanks for your input, but I am unsure of the meaning of this sentence.
Do you mean the retirement of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or of General Ham?
Some of us were just grunts and require clarity to keep from making mistakes.
Retire, the ROEs are the responsibility of the UN. I was set down a while back to learn this lesson like a red haired step-child. Unless you have more details, I assume Obama has little if any input into the ROEs. Correct me if I am mistaken.
@Disenchanted:
AFRICOM gen was relieved before this incident. He was actually relieved for using and abusing funds
Wrong General. I’m speaking of Gen Ham. You are speaking of Gen Ward.
@Sua Sponte:
The Secretary of Defense wants to ensure the safety of our troops and understands the value of “real-time information”. Okay, makes sense, good job Leon, end of story, right?
Good point. The WH had enough “real time information” to push a narrative (for two weeks minimum) with the lapdog media echo blaming a juice film maker fallguy who at the end of the day finds himself arrested and jailed with a convenient post election court date.
@Budvarakbar:
Keep an eye on this Rodriguez guy — a close eye!
I do. At least I have an ear open.
When the Marines went into Marjah, General Rodriguez attempted to micromanage an entire Marine Air-Ground Task Force like they were children.
“Less than six hours before Marines commenced a major helicopter-borne assault in the town of Marja in February, Rodriguez’s headquarters issued an order requiring that his operations center clear any airstrike that was on a housing compound in the area but not sought in self-defense.” Listen to that again. Rodriguez’s operation center had to approve offensive air strikes. Seriously. You simply can’t make this stuff up.
Yes man comes to mind.
The problems came from the top.
“If you are in a situation where you are under fire from the enemy… if there is any chance of creating civilian casualties or if you don’t know whether you will create civilian casualties, if you can withdraw from that situation without firing, then you must do so.”
@Greg:
however obama isn’t too smart.
Made this point in another thread but is worth repeating. Four dead (G-d bless) but: 30 AMERICANS WERE LEFT FOR DEAD. Semper fidelis.
@mossomo:
That man sounds like the jackass shouldn’t be a general, more like a materials logistics clerk for munitions…
Fun fact: don’t let apple autocorrect fill in user name… For sake of holloween I might as well call myself cavemanjoe to match the humorous unintended, “Me. Irons.” Entries.
Great catch, mossomo.
The infantilizing of our FIGHTING men and women in our military did not start under Obama, but a bit before he became president.
However, it has been moving apace since Obama became president.
What is our military for?
According to the way Obama, Panetta and now Rodriguez look at them, a babysitting service to guarantee lots of goodies for the rest of their lives.
Not as a fighting force to protect innocent, unarmed and untrained Americans from threat.
Really a sad philosophy.
More destructive to America than much of what’s happened under Obama.
Especially as it spreads from a minority view to one leading (from WHERE?) our fighting forces.
Mossomo: That key little fact is being ignored by too many of us. If Obama would have had his way, without the interference of the former SEALs, we would have had a slew of caskets for photo ops or Obama might be strutting around as he applies his superior negotiating skills against the Muslim Fanatics to set up a trade for the survivors in exchange for the blind head-thumper.
Judging by the willingness of the administration to forego security and after ordering the former SEALs to stand down, I’d say there is a distinct possibility that the whole thing was a staged event and our president wasn’t counting on men with integrity stepping into the situation and why they refused to let Specter light up the miscreants. You don’t want to look like you are doing a double cross with your friends.
Best discussion I’ve seen yet:
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/benghazigate-general-ham-no-order-to-protect-consulate-video/
And Part II:
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/10/29/benghazigate-chapter-two
@Greg: Agreed. Chaffetz was certainly a purveyor of misinformation about Romney’s ad concerning moving Jeep production to China, what makes anyone thing he would be accurate on this issue.
That’s the ultra-conservative response to everything: Kill ’em all! Fortunately, they are neither in charge, nor have to take responsibility internationally for their suggested action. The President does. He would be damned by you right-wing extremists if he did, and damned if he didn’t. All you’re interested in doing is presenting his actions in a poor light—like right-wing congressional members (Ryan for example) who say that his stimulus attempts were worthless, but clamor for the money it brings. This is true hypocrisy, unlike the use of the term by the right-wing as a general criticism of liberals/progressives when they don’t have any real reasons for their criticisms—except that they don’t like it.
I remind everyone what odumbo wrote in ‘The Audacity of Hope’, “Should the political winds shift in an ugly direction, I stand with the muslims.”
There is no clearer picture of where this man’s loyalty lies. It was there for all to see, but it was ignored because we didn’t want to be called racist. We reap what we sow.
Hopefully Mr. Romney will win big time and we can start to turn this mess around. If not, I fear it is going to take an armed revolution.
Skook,
Your article seems to prove my fear that while Obama was watching the attack, he was rooting for HIS side, NOT our side. I am also condemning the republicans for not going after our ILLEGAL president. If they would have gone after him as an illegal, those people would be alive today. I am going to write my republican politicians and let them know my feelings on this issue. I hope others write their reps.
@Petercat:
A key point from your top link, Petercat.
Seems some of our Leftist posters have not been opening their daily letters from on high.
Or they would stop beating the dead horse of there not being forces available to reach the site in time.
@Smorgasbord: S&S,
When Julian Assange ”leaked” so many top secrets I didn’t think Obama was opposed to it as mightily as he could have been.
The Occupiers certainly were trying to do the same thing here, but failed.
Now this Benghazi consulate was filled with top secret papers.
Yet Obama made sure our people there would not have enough time to destroy all of them.
Sean Smith (the intel officer) was the first to die.
If Christopher Stevens was destroying papers they would have had to be in the ”safe room” with him.
Our ex-SEAL impromtu rescuers were looking to save people, not papers.
So, who got all out secrets from that building.
Not a word from Obama.
@Liberal1 (Objectivity): Listen. I know it is hard for Obama supporters to admit that things aren’t good, but if Obama gets four more years, it’s only going to compound the issues. The majority of people don’t like Obama as President, and too large of a percent of his supporters simply don’t know what they are supporting, and also aren’t informed enough to make a good choice.
So if Obama wins, none of this ends. The Reps will fight harder, Obama will be free to do things without re-election in mind. The investments made into Obama iconography will permanently color the democratic party. Already, they have become the Obama Party, and that is going to take a long time to change.
An Obama win also confirms that the bulk of the media is now complicit in establishing U.S. policies, foisting opinion and fanfare on the citizens rather than offering information and letting us make up our own minds about things.
If I were a Democrat, I would scuttle the Obama presidency and start fresh, looking to the future: better candidates, and a better platform. Right now, the dem party only seems to exist for the sake of itself–nothing stands out as a platform beyond “are you mad at your own misforture? Do you have a group to blame for it? Well have we got a deal for you!” Seriously, the dem party is not the party of equality, but rather the party of exploitation. No one has ever offered a real rebuttal to this beyond retreating into their worthless, media-induced phobias.
The Democratic Party is a husk. It needs to be rebuilt or discarded. On the other hand, the GOP is becoming the Party of Lincoln once again, but this time it’s filled with people of all races and gender, many of them coming from a liberal background (like me).
What does the Democratic Party have to offer? Romney is offering things to the American people as a whole, while Obama is appealing to disparate groups with any promise needed to get votes.
No one can argue the point that is wrong, in the long run, unless you want to control people rather than continue with a Republic governed of the people, by the people, and for the people. That requires a level of trust that the Dems just don’t have.
@Liberal1 (Objectivity): And all you “wacho liberals” have your head up 0-blama’s butt so far you can’t see the facts because his BS is in the way!!