Obama & Clarke On Libya: Just Shameful

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Clarke, Clinton's terrorism czar, put out an article a few days ago that set me off a bit:

The last of the presidential debates will focus on national security and will surely produce another round of sniping about what happened before, during and after the raid on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi,Libya. Voters, therefore, ought to think about this issue in context.

Karl Rove, the Republican evil genius of campaign slurs, is famous for advising candidates to attack an opponent’s strong suit. If Sen. John Kerry is a decorated war hero and your guy avoided going toVietnam, then attack Kerry’s service record. If Sen. Max Cleland lost limbs fighting forAmerica, question his patriotism.

The problem is that those two outrageous attacks worked, as have many others like them.

Clarke conveniently ignores how the left tried to pretend Pres Bush was AWOL from the USAF, and was a Vietnam draft dodger.  Or how the left tried to blame Senator John McCain for a fire on the USS Forrestal that almost sank an American supercarrier, or how the left took McCain’s amazing service record and claimed he was a bad pilot because he was shot down.  The list of decorated and honorable military service veterans who have been attacked politically is long, and apparently unbeknownst to Richard Clarke…the record is bi-partisan.  It’s not just “evil genius” Karl Rove who does it.

Why is the attack on Bengahzi being talked about so much? It is not because the Republicans have a long record of caring about embassy security. House Republicans cut $128 million in fiscal year 2011 and an additional $331 million in fiscal year 2012 from what Secretary of State Clinton requested for embassy security.

Here Clarke tries to do exactly what he accuses Rove of doing: smear the opposition with distortions.  House Republicans did cut funding for security, but they didn’t decide where security dollars and assets were allocated.  There’s no reason that the US embassy in Paris or the President’s political advisor, Valerie Jarrett, should have had more protection that an ambassador in a mideast nation that’s in chaos.  Republicans didn’t allocate those security assets-the President and Secretary of State DID.  Still, it’s an effective distraction Mr. Clarke.

No, it’s because their polling and focus groups show that voters believe that President Obama has done a very good job fighting terrorists. Therefore, the Rove theory says, you attack Obama on terrorism.

This might be true.  Focus groups might indicate that the American people think President Obama has done a good job of fighting terrorists.  Of course, if it were also true that the President HAD done a good job of fighting terrorists…then Bengazi never would have happened, and more significantly the CIA stronghold 1.2 miles away wouldn’t have had “waves of attackers” hitting it at the same time as the ambassador was being killed.  “Waves of attackers” don’t come from groups on the run.  They come from forces that are strong enough and brazen enough to seek out a CIA stronghold, and attack it repeatedly.  The CIA is not the Illinois Army National Guard.  The people doing security at a CIA compound are the highest level of elite, and they were driven off by Al Queda.  37 people from that CIA station escaped.  If President Obama HAD done a good job of fighting terrorists….how were dozens of the CIA’s most elite shooters routed?

Every President since Ronald Reagan has suffered American casualties to terrorism on his watch. Obama has suffered far fewer than his predecessors, largely because he has kept the terrorist groups off balance by relentlessly attacking them. He has largely eliminated Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan as an effective fighting force. His use of drones and special forces has been aggressive and successful, including in Yemen and Somalia.

Good points Mr. Clarke.  They are disputable, however.  Had the President been as successful as you describe, then the drone strikes and Special Forces raids into Pakistan would be on the decline rather than continuing.  And if Yemen or Somalia are so free from terrorists, why can’t the US send the detainees who are in Gitmo back to those countries?  Yeah….because they’re not free from terrorist control.  In fact, Yemen is being described by many as Al Queda’s new stronghold.  Being aggressive and being successful are two different things.

Mitt Romney seems fixated on why Washington did not know with better clarity and sooner what went on during a terrorist attack. It is the kind of question that comes from someone who has no experience dealing with terrorism crisis management or, indeed, combat.

That kind of sounds like the exact same political attack method that Mr. Clarke said the evil genius Karl Rove would use.  The fact is, it’s not Mitt Romney who is fixated on the Libya attacks, but tens of millions of American people.  People who-as Mr. Clarke claimed earlier-had thought President Obama was doing a good job regarding terrorism.  ‘How could this happen after he did so well for so long’ people wonder?

I dealt with scores of incidents and military operations over 30 years in the Pentagon, State Department and White House. I never saw a case where there was initial and accurate clarity about what happened.

What Mr. Clarke misses here is that there are some new things since his time in the intelligence field: video, the internet, and live feeds.  Video from security cameras at the consulate were fed to Washington D.C. live.  Video from the CIA compound attack was fed to Washington D.C. live.  Video from at least one CIA drone flying over the attacks was sent to Washington D.C. and several other places live.  The internet (constantly monitored by the National Security Agency, CIA, and others) immediately lit up via social networking that the attacks were happening.  Attackers and witnesses who were actually on the scenes and sometimes even taking part in the attacks took cell phone pictures and uploaded them during the attacks.  Multiple 24hr news networks around the globe carried live video of the attacks.  These are things that Richard Clarke never encountered in his days in the intelligence community.  Normally that could be dismissed as someone who was retired and out of touch w the latest technologies in the field from which he retired, but….Richard Clarke has written books on cyberwarfare and is supposed to be an expert in the field of terrorism+cyber war.  Therefore, he’s certainly aware of how intel regarding the attacks were instantaneously send to administration leaders.

In the case of TWA 800, the FBI thought for months that it had been shot down by a missile, only to learn much later that it was a maintenance problem that caused the fuel tank to explode. When the destroyer Cole was attacked in Yemen, it took the CIA director weeks to decide that the attackers were from Al Qaeda . The Iranian hand in the attack on the U.S. Air Force barracks at Khobar, Saudi Arabia, did not emerge for months.

Questions and doubts still remain regarding the TWA 800 explosion, and Mr. Clarke is right that the FBI thought it had been shot down.  He’s flat out wrong about the U.S.S. Cole.  The ship had been briefed in its last port of call that Osama Bin Laden had threatened to attack a warship using suicide boats.  The briefing notes are on record, and the crew’s handwritten reports after the bombing specifically describe the CIA’s warning in great detail on multiple occasions.

http://www.abledangerblog.com/2007/09/revisiting-cole.html

The intelligence community knew immediately it was an Al Queda attack, and Richard Clarke himself told the press within a few days of the attack that he thought it was Al Queda.  The CIA, Jordanian intelligence, US Naval intelligence, and others all warned of an Al Queda suicide boat attack on a warship between the Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf.  FBI Director Louis Freeh wrote in his book, MY FBI (pg282) that just 5 days after the attack he personally called his counterpart in Russia to confirm that it was Russian explosives that the terrorists used.  Mr. Clarke is trying to continue the political meme from the left that the U.S.S. Cole attack was somehow a surprise and not an intelligence failure that happened on his watch.  On page 223 of Clarke’s own book, “Against All Enemies” he demonstrates that he, the Clinton Administration’s ‘Terrorism Czar’ knew the Cole was an Al Queda attack immediately:  “Meanwhile in Washington neither the CIA nor FBI would state the obvious: it was Al Queda.”   No Mr. Clarke, it does not take months to do an investigation that happened on live TV around the world, and on multiple feeds to American leaders.  Yes, there should be and is an investigation, but most of the facts are blatantly and immediately as obvious as the C

ole bombing was to you 12 years ago.

News media and members of Congress may want instant answers when something explodes, when Americans die, but national security professionals know that “first reports are always wrong.” That is why, when pressed by reporters to say what had happened, UN Ambassador Susan Rice qualified her response by saying that the investigation was ongoing. She then said what the intelligence community had reported to her at that time.

Ambassador Susan Rice is described by Richard Clarke-in his book, “Against All Enemies” as the person who in 1996 was given the choice of either taking Osama Bin Laden into custody, or letting him go, and she chose to let him go.  Richard Miniter’s book, “Losing Bin Laden” identifies that moment in 1996 when Rice let Bin Laden escape the Sudan as the moment when Bin Laden effectively started his war against the United States.  Peter Bergen-one of the world’s foremost experts on Bin Laden, a man who interviewed him, and wrote several books on him describes the woman, event, and time similarly in his book, “The Osama Bin Laden I know.”  Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, George Tenet all recount the 1996 failure to arrest Bin Laden similarly in their books.  So too did the 911 Commission came to the same conclusion.  Now, she’s the Obama Administration’s highest ranking ambassador, and she somehow never saw the video feed or was even told of the video from the consulate?  If she had, then she’d have known instantly that there was no protest about a movie in Bengazi.  If she hadn’t, then she lied and so is Clarke when they say that the only intelligence they had was that it was a protest over a YouTube video that got out of hand….and we all know in Libya it’s just not a protest unless you bring your rocket launcher and heavy machine guns.  No, Ambassador Rice knew what she was saying.

For this, Republicans are suggesting that the administration was using a political filter on how it was characterizing the attack. To be clear, what Rice and other administration officials said then was, to the best of our knowledge, what they were told then by nonpartisan security and intelligence professionals who were still collecting reports and putting the pieces together. That is not politics

This is a flat out lie.  It IS politics.  The Administration had TONS of intelligence before and after the attack (just as Clarke did before and after the U.S.S. Cole attack) that it was an Al Queda group.  Seriously, can anyone believe that a CIA stronghold 1.2 miles away got attacked by “waves of attackers”, and the 37 people there were lucky to escape, and that even w live video, live news coverage, and social media pics posted during the attack by the attackers….the CIA and the entire intelligence community somehow had no idea that there wasn’t even a protest about a movie at the compound?  And they didn’t know this for almost two weeks?  If the intelligence community can take all that live feed raw intelligence and not make a conclusion for a week or two then there is a MAJOR problem w the intel that the United States is collecting.  It means that intel analysis is actually worse than it was 12 yrs ago when the Cole was attacked and Mr. Clarke didn’t know, but knew that it was Al Queda immediately.

But it is politics to rush out with a press release critical of the President’s handling of a crisis while the crisis is still going on, while American diplomats are still under fire. The Romney campaign did just that and got many details wrong in so doing.

This is another Catch 22 of Richard Clarke’s political commentary.  On the one hand he’s claimed-to this point-that no one could have known what happened in Bengazi for at least a few weeks-perhaps months.  On the other hand, here he’s saying that the Romney campaign somehow knew the crisis was still going on.  How?  How could they have known it was still going on?  The only way to know would be to have seen it still happening on live TV, and if they saw it on live TV, then they had at the very least the same basic, bare bones intelligence that the Obama Administration had: that you don’t bring rocket launchers and heavy machine guns to a protest about a YouTube video.  And what did the Romney campaign say in its press release?   It said that the President was wrong to whine about a YouTube video that had nothing to do w the attack.  So what-if the attack had nothing to do w a video, then Romney was right!  Moreover, it seems incredibly hypocritical of someone like Richard Clarke to be critical of complaints regarding how a President handles a national security issue when he’s done infinite talk shows and press interviews to push his book that was critical of every national security issue the Bush Administration handled before it forced him to retire.

If there were not a presidential campaign going on, a campaign in which the incumbent has a stellar record of fighting terrorism, I doubt Romney would care about the details of what happened in Benghazi. In 20 years of running for office, he has never demonstrated any expertise or even real interest in the details of national security.

Finally, Richard Clarke is correct.  Mitt Romney is not a national security, terrorism, or even diplomatic expert.  He’s a businessman.  His specialty is economics.

What happened in Benghazi will be reported in detail to the public by a team of highly respectable national security professionals with almost a century of combined service.

This may be the case, but Mr. Clarke still feels it’s his role to comment on Bengazi too, and somehow NOT at all the purview of a man who might be President in a few months.

The Accountability Review Board appointed by Clinton is led by Ambassador Tom Pickering, who served Republican and Democratic Presidents in a record eight ambassadorial jobs. He is aided by Adm. Mike Mullen, who was America’s top military commander. Anyone who really cares about what happened will await their report and will not interfere with their work by politicizing the issue.

But expect Romney to raise it again in the next debate, because what he really cares about is trying to put a dent in Obama’s outstanding performance on terrorism. When he does, ask yourself which man would you want calling the shots against Al Qaeda.

How in the world could a Presidential debate about foreign policy NOT include a discussion or mentioning of the most recent terrorist attack?  Seriously, it would be a gross disservice to the American people to ignore it, but for some reason-like the U.S.S. Cole attack that happened on an election eve, Richard Clarke doesn’t want the security and intelligence failure discussed until after the election.  Is that fair to the American people; to the people who need to make the most informed decisions possible?  Is it reasonable when most of the cyber intel was collected immediately?  Is the Administration-and Clarke-trying to delay the investigation…as evidenced by the fact that the FBI didn’t even go to the consulate for over a week, but multiple news agencies had no problem sending in reporters?  No, Mr. Clarke.  There are questions the American people need to know and want to know before the election.

This is a bigger issue for the electorate than some hotel break-in (see also Watergate).  And let’s be realistic…there are plenty of simple questions that the press can ask of the White House to give the American people a more informed opinion of what happened.

  • Did the President attend his daily intelligence briefing the day before and/or the day of the Libya attacks?
  • Did the Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) mention any threats in Libya?
  • Did the President go to bed while the attacks were still taking place?
  • Was Ambassador Stevens involved in arming Libyan or Syrian rebels?
  • Was the preponderance of intelligence reporting saying that the Libyan attacks were protests that got out of hand in relation to a YouTube Video, or was that a minor portion of the intelligence reporting that the President, Sec of State, and UN Ambassador were getting?
  • Why did it take almost 2 weeks for the live video feeds and pics and reports from people on the ground to correct the false report that the Libyan attacks were related?
  • Was the President at all suspicious that an attack on a US ambassador by Islamic extremists on the anniversary of 911 might be related to the anniversary of the 911 attacks?

These are simple questions.  They don’t need a full blown investigation.  Why doesn’t the administration-more than a month later-answer them?  Why is Richard Clarke, a man who hasn’t been part of the intelligence community for over a decade, making hypocritical claims about how long an investigation into a terrorist attack takes?

Clarke is a former counterterrorism adviser to Presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. He was deputy assistant secretary of state for intelligence under President Ronald Reagan.

Scott has absolutely NO government experience. He was just a stay-at-home dad, writer, and blogger for 9 years.  Since then he's opened a soup restaurant  with no money, and lost an eye to cancer.  His foreign policy and terrorism knowledge comes from reading, the web, and watching way too much TV.  He's a regular person-not an elitist.

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Clarke:
Obama has suffered far fewer than his predecessors, largely because he has kept the terrorist groups off balance by relentlessly attacking them. He has largely eliminated Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan as an effective fighting force. His use of drones and special forces has been aggressive and successful, including in Yemen and Somalia.

Scott:
Good points Mr. Clarke. They are disputable, however. Had the President been as successful as you describe, then the drone strikes and Special Forces raids into Pakistan would be on the decline rather than continuing. And if Yemen or Somalia are so free from terrorists, why can’t the US send the detainees who are in Gitmo back to those countries? Yeah….because they’re not free from terrorist control. In fact, Yemen is being described by many as Al Queda’s new stronghold. Being aggressive and being successful are two different things.

I totally agree with you, Scott.
Obama has been ”relentlessly” taking one head at a time off a hydra that produces more heads every time it loses one.
Islamic terrorism is ”led” by whoever reaches out to be lead dog.
And many men are reaching out after experiencing what a drag it is to be one of the non-lead dogs in a terrorist organization…. you know, cannon fodder.
(You’ve probably seen the posters that say, “If you’re not the lead dog the view never changes.”)
A sustained and completed drive against so many leaders of terrorism organizations would drive their leaders underground which would be a repudiation of the idea of their success being “the will of allah.”
That is what would thwart Islamic terrorism.
We saw a taste of it when the people of Pakistan tried to stand up against the Taliban for shooting the 14 year old girl.
But their own gov’t shot them down out of fear of the Taliban.
Only a sustained drive against all the terror leaders could help Pakistan’s leaders act like men rather than mice.
Or like they are trying to put you between themselves and the terrorists, hoping the terrorists will be satisfied by killing only you.

These cowards hide behind government supplied security. I would like to catch this son of a gun out in the open with no body guards. I would like to address him man to man. I would tell him if he lies to me I will kick his ass up around his ears. I know that is an immature response, but I am so tired of these people lying with no consequence. I wish we could bring back the duel.

Even with one eye, Scott sees with more clarity than a former counterterrorism adviser who still wishes to be relevant. 😉

Hope this act of posting is a more frequent occurrence on your part, Scott.

I’m afraid that the truth of the Benghazi situation is actually much more ugly than the Admin wants us to realize:

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weapons-jihadists-2012-10

Much to say on this topic if I can just beat back real life long enough to sit down in front of the keyboard.

I will echo Wordsmith’s sentiments and say that it’s nice to experience a Scott sighting in these parts.

@Aye:
Add to that what Fox News has just put together.
Snippits I had seen before but not all together.
BENGHAZI: Documents show Stevens worried about security threats, al-Qaeda
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/blog/category/james+rosen/
Months before the attack Ambassador Stevens knew it was coming!

Here Clarke tries to do exactly what he accuses Rove of doing: smear the opposition with distortions.

He’s accurately describing what House republicans did. They authorized less embassy security spending than the Obama administration deemed necessary. The amounts they authorized fell short by $128 million in fiscal year 2011 and $331 million in fiscal year 2012.

In what sense is an accurate description a distortion or smear?

House Republicans did cut funding for security, but they didn’t decide where security dollars and assets were allocated. There’s no reason that the US embassy in Paris or the President’s political advisor, Valerie Jarrett, should have had more protection that an ambassador in a mideast nation that’s in chaos.

Do republicans believe there’s no need to worry about a terrorist attack on the U.S. embassy in Paris? Surely they’re not that clueless.

Has it really not occurred to them yet that a Senior Advisor to the President–who also happens to have been born in Iran–might be an obvious, high-profile target?

One would hope that Romney, at least, could figure this out.

Just one clarification:

how the left took McCain’s amazing service record and claimed he was a bad pilot because he was shot down.

I don’t recall the “left” doing this. I, however, do recall some Bush supporters/McCain opponents denigrating McCain’s service record, during the GOP primaries of Y2K. For real dirty politics, nothing tops the Y2K GOP South Carolina primary.

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA

Greg,

The White House and Joe Biden blamed the Republicans for budget cuts as the reason more security was refused despite the fact that Charlene Lamb testified under oath, at least twice, that money had nothing to do with it. [House Hearings with Charlene Lamb’s testimony http://www.independentsentinel.com/2012/10/benghazigate-house-hearings-of-october-10-full-video/%5D

It came out Monday, October 15th, that the State Department was sitting on over $2 billion…..http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/10/issa-state-dept-sitting-on-billionplus-for-embassy-138402.html?hp=r2_b3

Never mind that, in four years, Senator Reid hasn’t let one budget besides Obama’s come to the Senate floor, even though Obama’s budget failed to receive even one vote.
And now, Obama is threatening to take us all over the ”fiscal cliff’ if he only gets 98% of what he wants instead of 100%.
Real bi-partisan of him, huh.

@openid.aol.com/runnswim:
Your memory is fading.
It went around for at least a couple of news cycles, Larry.
Nasty.

@Zelsdorf Ragshaft III: I am not so sure that is an immature response — the enemy is on the attack and advancing daily – and one of their most effective weapons is using shame and guilt trips to make any rational response to their irrational ideas and actions – i.e. treason — to be “immature” — the “reach across the aisle” days are long gone methinks.

Hi Nan,

Here’s what my rapidly-decaying memory in my sadly-enfeebled mind was recalling:

Turning McCain’s record into a liability – how they did it.

If you’re really, really cynical, why not turn a record of honorable record of military service and dedication to America into a liability!

From Patriot Project’s The Swiftboaters Are Back in the Water,

… Bush surrogates (several later involved in the Kerry swiftboating effort) skillfully turned McCain’s service record against him (thereby deflecting questions about Bush’s own service record.) They planted stories that the torture McCain suffered as a POW had brought about mental instability, including rumors that he had been programmed as a “Manchurian candidate” who “collaborated with the enemy.” No longer could McCain use the fact that he had endured torture as evidence of dedication to serving his country.

And as explained in Patriot Project’s Did Paul Galanti Sell His Medals,

In the 2000 South Carolina Presidential primary Bush surrogates circulated stories that McCain’s five years as a POW had made him “mentally unstable,” gave him a “loose screw,” that he “committed treason while a POW” and “came home and forgot us.” The stories also called McCain “the fag candidate,” called his wife a drug addict, said McCain “chose to sire children without marriage” and had “a black child” (the actual wording of that last smear from the flyers and e-mails that circulated is not printable here).

And when McCain responded by asking whether this kind of smear campaign showed that voters should think twice about trusting Bush, saying Bush was “twisting the truth like Clinton,” Rove was able to turn that against McCain¸ by accusing McCain of “going negative.” Unlike Rove and Bush, McCain hadn’t understood the value of attacking with surrogates.

This information was passed using flyers, e-mails, word-of-mouth and “push polls.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/john-mccain-2000-the-swif_b_30654.html

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA

As a former army officer and an energy consultant today- I cannot fathom decisions made on false premises and incomplete information. These idiots had much info and keystone cop decision making or they did nothing. It looks like- let the ambassador dangle in the wind.

@openid.aol.com/runnswim:

POWs are limited to giving name, rank and serial number. John McCain was clear, in his own book, that he finally gave up the name of his ship, and information regarding his squadron, to the NVC, an act he said he later regreted. So don’t blame the SwiftVets for that. Also, the SwiftVets included Republicans, Democrats and Independents who all had the same low opinion of John Kerry as my brother, a retired Lt. Commander, does.

And how sad that you have to link to the PuffingtonPost. Why didn’t you just use the extreme far left DailyKos?

@oil guy from Alberta, #12:

What it looks like to me is that republicans plan to exploit the Benghazi deaths to the fullest extent possible, in an effort to discredit the Obama administration, and to distract attention from the fact that their own candidate is remarkably inept in the area of foreign policy.

I’ m looking forward to hearing Mr. Romney expound further on our nation’s “number one geopolitical foe” during the upcoming debate: Russia.

Hi Retire:

I was simply addressing a single issue, to wit: the statement that “the left” used McCain’s “amazing service record” against him. I simply said that certain members of the Right did the same thing to McCain. Nan challenged this. I spent 3 minutes to find a citation. Pardon me for not finding a citation which meets your standards. Are you disputing that the Bush campaign tried to use McCain’s service record against him in the fashion quoted in my citation?

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA

P.S. Mitt Romney tax plan: http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

@Greg: So Republicans are to blame “supposedly” for security shortfalls….So please explain to everyone Your Clownship, how was the station in Vienna able to get their Chevy Firestarters Volts?…Your pandering apologetics make you the tool of all ages and the poster child for a bag of door knobs…

@openid.aol.com/runnswim:

I don’t believe that the Bush campaign claimed McCain was a bad pilot because he was shot down, like so many others. I do remember learning that McCain was a hot shot during flight school and had done a few things that would have gotten anyone else, who wasn’t the son, and grandson, of a high ranking Naval officer, run out of the program. But I don’t remember getting that information from the Bush campaign, rather from a TV special on John McCain. Perhaps the History Channel?

I am not a fan of John McCain; never have been, never will be. But my dislike for McCain pales in comparison to my dislike for John Kerry. In my opinion, John Kerry should have been brought up on charges for giving false testimony to a Congressional hearing and should have been stripped of all service medals he was awarded. And as far as I am concerned, the Swift Vets, who were not around during the 2000 primary season, should be lauded for exposing John Kerry for what he is, what I consider him to be, a traitor to not only his uniform, but his nation.

I also know that many on the left claim that it was Karl Rove (the strategist that the left loves to hate while they ignore the evil that is David Axelrod) who started the smears against John McCain. That has never been proved, like so many of the claims the left makes to see if they can get them to stick. If you have proof to the contrary, provide it, but please, spare me anything from HuffingtonPost.

O.K. Here’s a quotation, right out of McCain’s own mouth, from the website of the Arizona Republic newpaper:

Bush’s own anti-McCain campaign was overwhelming enough. But the third-party groups also ran TV and radio spots savaging McCain, and other foes deluged voters with anti-McCain messages ranging from the nasty to the outrageous. Political pundits still argue about whether some of those smears were linked to the official Bush campaign.

“In e-mails, faxes, flyers, postcards, telephone calls and talk radio, groups and individuals circulated all kinds of wild rumors about me, from the old Manchurian Candidate allegation to charges of having sired children with prostitutes,” McCain wrote in Worth the Fighting For. “There wasn’t a damn thing I could do about the subterranean assaults on my reputation except to act in a way that contradicted their libel. When things got so bad that I became discouraged by my own negative ads, we pulled them. But I spent too much of my time denouncing my opponent’s campaign tactics instead of sticking with the message that I believed in and that had worked so well in New Hampshire.”

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/mccain/articles/2007/03/01/20070301mccainbio-chapter10.html#ixzz29mbX2cYp

The only point is that everyone tries to be holier-than-thou during election campaigns, but it’s virtually always a case of pot-kettle-black. It’s always been that way and it will always be that way. People always see virtue in those they support and evil in those on the other side.

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA

@Sua Sponte:

So Republicans are to blame “supposedly” for security shortfalls….So please explain to everyone Your Clownship, quack, quack, quack . . .

The point isn’t that republicans are to blame. No one suggested that they are. The point is that their great display of concern over embassy security seems to have oddly coincided with an opportunity for political exploitation. They were only too happy to cut embassy security funding before doing so looked bad in the news.

You obviously don’t like electric cars. My guess is that you probably wouldn’t like current gasoline prices in Vienna, either. At the moment, you’d be paying $7.20 per gallon. That makes an electric vehicle a cost effective choice–a smart thing to do, assuming you want to save the taxpayers money, and promote American technology abroad.

@Greg:

What it looks like to me is that republicans plan to exploit the Benghazi deaths to the fullest extent possible, in an effort to discredit the Obama administration, and to distract attention from the fact that their own candidate is remarkably inept in the area of foreign policy.

And his has resulted in the deaths of how many?…….What’s remarkable is that you are so enthralled with your blessed leader, that even when faced with the death of Americans, you’ll throw the deceased under the bus yet again…And you cry and whine about comments on your service?…You’re a disgrace.

@Greg: @Greg: Glad you acknowledged U.S. lives are less important than electric cars…..The administration was at fault, lied about it, attempted to cover it up and yet you continue to limp wrist and point the blame eleswhere…That makes you a tool.

@Greg:

Yet, you continue to ignore the testimony of Charlene Lamb who said, not once but twice, that the denial for the additional security requested by Ambassador Stevens was NOT due to budget issues.

And why would Obama be worried about gas prices in Vienna when he doesn’t seem too concerned about the gas prices in his own nation?

@Greg: Now your really acting stupid. Prove to me that Republicans denied or cut security funding in Benghazi or admit you’re an idiot!! News flash, 0-blama is President and did he ask for more money?? BTW, show me the Senate budget that requests appropriations. I will be waiting.

@Greg: Greg, just so you might understand, additional security was requested and denied, it was NOT a riot and 0-blama knew within 24 hours, it was NOT the video, it was a terrorist attack, and most importantly 0-blama and his administration tried to cover it up. The evidence is clear and 0-blama is a liar!!

@retire05: +1 retire05……..And remember all the times the administration stated that any of this was the result of no funding?….Yeah, not so much……..Bottom line is that if Dear Leader didn’t want to negate his stating that AQ was gone and make himself look like a boob….Well, more of a boob…

Do you frequently argue with what you only imagine people have said?

Please refer to the first paragraph of post #19.

@Sua Sponte, #25:

And remember all the times the administration stated that any of this was the result of no funding?

No, I don’t remember any such statement. Please feel free to post links to any direct quotes you can find.

@Greg: @Greg: “No, I don’t remember any such statement. Please feel free to post links to any direct quotes you can find.”…..You’re a tool in a corner and not very familiar with sarcasim…

@Greg: He’s accurately describing what House republicans did. They authorized less embassy security spending than the Obama administration deemed necessary. The amounts they authorized fell short by $128 million in fiscal year 2011 and $331 million in fiscal year 2012.

@Sua Sponte: Show me where 0-blama indicated that he did NOT have enough resources.

I’ve got to leave. Please try not to injure yourselves.

@Greg: @Greg: I’ve got to leaveretreat. Please try not to injure yourselves……You too, no pointy objects…

@Common Sense: It was sarcasim….

And remember all the times the administration stated that any of this was the result of no funding?….Yeah, not so much

@Sua Sponte: I apologize, and of course you are correct. The funding excuse is just another in a long list of lies and deceptions. Wonder how funding provides any cover for the cover up??

I hope your going to go take a shower and clean the BS off yourself. The garbage you spew is almost as disgusting as 0-blama’s.

Question? Who decides the questions to be asked during the debates? Must be Democrats? The last debate will focus on national security. Sounds suspect. The candidates should be debating on what at least 70% of the voters say is the main issue — the economy!

What clown decided that at a time when so many people are out of work, and Obama has neither fixed the economy nor created a significant number of jobs, we need to talk about national security more than the horrible increasing price of gas and foreclosures and jobs? Not.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO OBJECT TO THE DEBATE AGENDA OF IGNORING THE ECONOMY?

I think I’m going to start making more calls and get even more and more people to wake up, see what’s happening and vote for Romney/Ryan; there’s nothing wrong with everybody voting for the white guys, a telling majority of us are white.

@Greg: What you call exploiting is really just getting at the truth. I guess Democrats think is is OK for the President of the United States to set policy which allows for an American Ambassasor be left in a very dangerous position, refuse increase in security, while increasing dangerous duty pay, to the extent that our ambassador was sodomized and murdered. Read my previous post. Apply that to you, Have gun, will travel.

@Nan G:

Months before the attack Ambassador Stevens knew it was coming!

Every wet rodent in Libya knew that as soon as Qaddafi was killed, even before such, Libya was in chaos. Reported crime rates exploded, and it was clear that the country had no order with anarchy running rampant on most of its streets. None of us would have wished to live there for 5 minutes.

When you then add the fact that the vast arms caches which Qaddafi had accumulated had been pilfered, it was obvious to each one of those wet rodents in Libya’s gutters that no American would be safe.

The Ambassador and those around him asked for help without being rude. They knew they were in trouble – they had observed the wet rodents scurry for cover.

There is no question that the Administration had set a policy of minimal protection and minimal security. It had nothing to do with money. What we will not hear is WHY?

As a former army Ranger, I, personally, find it ironic, that clarke never once mentions the umpteen near misses we’ve experienced under obama, the growing distain and lack of respect muslims worldwide now have for the United States since he was elected! It is my humble opinion that obama and ALL of his so called “czars” ALL talk out of both sides of their asses and expect the American people aren’t themselves, patched into a network of people who apparently KNOW more about international policy and international terrorism, led exclusively by muslims, everywhere muslims are!
I beleieve Mr Orwell called this “doublespeak”! I’ll shorten that by saying it doesn’t even reach that level, what their trying to tell us is absolut, unmitigated bullshit, undressed, uncovered nd out here for everyone with half a brain cell to see…IF they’ll look, and therein is the problem, most folks just don’t want to know, and that’s called FEAR!

@Zelsdorf Ragshaft III: OOORAAAHHH!!!! Although up around his ears would be the very least of his concerns…shine the Light of Truth on him AND them….hurts much more for a man like that to be smashed back down to size by simplicty and facts, then any ass whooping ever would!

Although whooping all of their asses would probably take 20 years off MY life, so you might have something there…LOL!!!

Annihilate his pride and self- image, the same of all the liberal crap stains, the rest’ll crumble! Underneath all the false bravado and well crafted abnormal psychology 101 doublespeak, there’s nothing there! Their so caught up into the old Soviet Union/ KGB- speak and are SOOOO angry Uncle Ronnie knocked their stupid little wall down with just the ‘thought’ of Freedom for the east…same thing here, blast their failed ideology back into the 19th century, expose them for who and exactly, what, they are…the rest will happen on its own!

That’s the funny thing about freedom…once its REALLY broken out, it can’t be contained! Unlike oppression, freedom is pretty much self sustaining with great attention being paid to high personal responsibility and mutual respect!

@openid.aol.com/runnswim:

P.S. Mitt Romney tax plan: http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

That’s blatant fraud Larry. And here I thought you were above using weaselly Democratic party propaganda. I would expect that from Lib1, Greg or Tom. You have just diminished the respect I held for you.

@Greg:

I think Obama does a fine job all by his own in discrediting himself.

He doesn’t need any help.

Hi Ditto, Sorry to disappoint you. It was intended as slapstick comedy, based on a campaign stereotype, of the type exhibited by both Romney and Obama at the Al Smith dinner this week. I just thought it was clever and amusing. I did sort of trick you into clicking on it. And I do, in retrospect, take your point about the blatant fraud. But, with a spoiler alert, it wouldn’t have been as clever, as the humor depended on the element of surprise.

I guess that, as the election nears, emotions and nerves are raw. So I’ll apologize for the bad joke.

– Larry W/HB

Personally, Larry, I thought that the link was hilarious. I still have a sense of humor… won’t get thru this election season without one.

@openid.aol.com/runnswim:

Apology accepted. thank you Larry.

The viciousness in the campaigning is rubbing the public nerves raw. As is the continual barrage of commercials and polling calls. What is really sad is that so much money is wasted on this tripe that could have better been used to help those who are suffering under this economy. If both campaigns took just 10% of their cash that was earmarked for negative ads, and used it to stock food banks or help homeless shelters, they could do a lot to redeem themselves in the public eye.

@retire05:

POWs are limited to giving name, rank and serial number.

While that may be in all the movies and is written in the American Fighting Man’s Code of Conduct, that isn’t necessarily so. You are trained in SERE School that you are bound to give up some information sooner or later. The trick is to give up information that will seem helpful but is not.

@Greg:

He’s accurately describing what House republicans did. They authorized less embassy security spending than the Obama administration deemed necessary. The amounts they authorized fell short by $128 million in fiscal year 2011 and $331 million in fiscal year 2012.

There is no budget! They passed a continuing resolution in which the senate put back a lot of money the house took out. This is why we have budgets. The house passes a budget, the senate passes a budget, it goes to conference, it is passed and the president signs it or vetoes it.
Do I need to put the School House Rock video back up for you?