Hillary, Barack Needs You To Take The Fall, Bite The Bullet And Kiss Your Political Career Goodbye

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The Good News: Valerie Jarrett made it back from Martha’s Vineyard alive, thanks in large part to her security detail of highly trained professionals. The Bad News: Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans were killed by Islamic Fundamentalists in Benghazi, primarily because the Obama State Department denied their requests for security.

These are some of the most important facts to emerge from the Vice Presidential Debate, Joe Biden is like a weird relative; a relative you don’t want to leave alone with children, and that he and President Obama received no requests for security from the diplomatic delegation in Libya, despite the sworn testimony of two former security professionals who requested the security.

Some of us who know the president only attended less than half of his intel-briefings wonder if someone might have mentioned the multiple attacks on the diplomatic teams in Benghazi during one of the no show briefings.

During the debate, Biden assured the country and the world, he only speaks for himself and the president, and that they received no such requests.

“We weren’t told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security there.”

Unfortunately, the State Department has acknowledged the receipt of multiple requests for increased security. The State Department officials who have testified before the House Oversight Committee’s panel have not said they relayed the requests to the president; however, Eric Nordstrom top regional security officer in Libya last summer said,

“In those conversations, I was specifically told [by Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Charlene Lamb] ‘You cannot request an SST [Site Security Team] extension.’ I determined I was told that because there would be too much political cost. We went ahead and requested it anyway.”

“Too much political cost”, but the death of an ambassador and three employees are only “bumps in the road.” Do you think Charlene Lamb and the Obama Administration wanted to use the Libya War, Obama’s War, as an icon or poster subject for the success of the Obama Foreign Policy and that having armed security would be offensive to Libyans, al-Qaeda, and Leftists in general.

“All of us at post were in sync that we wanted these resources,”

Apparently the need for security was well known among those with their necks on the chopping block. Nordstrom reveals his gut instinct.

“For me, the Taliban is on the inside of the building.”

Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, a Utah National Guardsman who was leading a security team in Libya until August, testified:

“We felt great frustration that those requests were ignored or just never met,”

Darrel Issa has released the unclassified portions of those requests.

Nordstrom provided more testimony:

“because of Libyan political sensitivities, armed private security companies were not allowed to operate in Libya.”

Using a British company with unarmed guards and a local militia patrolling outside the consulate seemed a more viable option to the Obama Administration. It didn’t work that well when security was needed.

Obama has used Biden as his “Seen No Evil, Hear No Evil, and Speak No Evil” point man and unless Hillary can get some dummy like Lamb to put on the suicide vest, she will be taking the fall.

Is it worth it Hillary? Is it worth it to be known as an incompetent fool for the rest of history; a fool who was either a clueless dolt or the ultimate ninny who took a fall to protect the worst president in the history of the United States.

It will be interesting to watch the reaction of the “Most Intelligent Woman In The Country.”

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@Liberal1 (Objectivity): So, based on your mil/leo/DSS background…….Oh, who are we kidding, you don’t have one…….And playing COD doesn’t count….Clown….

@Liberal1 (Objectivity):

No, Lib1. We just want an honest answer about why security was minimal for an asset that should have had more import than Obama and Hillary gave it, and why someone like Jarrett rated amongst the best security one could have, for a simple jaunt to Martha’s vineyard. Any thoughts on that?

@Liberal1 (Objectivity):

Why not…they have marine contingent in nearly every other embassy around the world….even France! Why were they not in a place like “Libya”? And if they couldn’t get protection in there…why was the Ambassador there? And why did they deny him the security that they requested (and had been requested for some time)? And how could it be that Obama and Joe Biden are the only 2 people in the entire administration who did not know of the danger/requests and that there might be security issues in a place like Libya on the anniversary of 9/11…or that this was a terrorist attack by AlQueda? And what does that say about them?

And if Obama is so concerned about getting to the bottom of this….why would he then skip his intelligence briefing, and fly to vegas for a fund raiser…while all these questions were whirling in the press? There “is” a time to be measured. And there is a time to act. And sometimes…despite liberal thought…the time to act is BEFORE something bad happens. (ie., like recognizing AlQueda threats on the anniversary of 9/11 and taking appropriate security measures). From there…trying to blame this on Romney is just ridiculous.

This president does nothing but sit back…and delegate everything he can. Then he takes credit for whatever works. And whatever doesn’t work..is somebody else’s responsibility and he doesn’t know anything about it. He’s also been one of the most divisive presidents we’ve had…pitting interests of different classes of people against each other. His white house has also been one of the most secretive …with very little access to the president (save his supporters and lobbyist). They have stopped doing press conferences with the president. Nobody has had access to directly ask him questions other than “the view”, etc.

Unfortunately, you “see” what happens when he comes out his strawman/bubble world and has to actually debate someone on merit/facts. For liberals…there are different versions of the “truth”. They have their truth. And everybody else another version of the truth that they feel is not supported by the same facts. It’s the base mentality of liberals to remove all context from something…in order to intellectualize their own arguments and for the basis of their “truth”. For instance…there is no difference to them between a terroist killing someone…..a policeman shooting a madman…or a person getting hit by a car. To them, after removing the context of terroism, crime and an accident…the end result was the same…they all died at some other persons hand. From there, the narrative as to why it happend can be redefined, or rewritten. For instance…your chance of getting killed by terrorist, or shot by a cop, or hit by are car is about the same. So, to them…all this focus on “Terror” and terroism, etc…or trying to differentiate between them is unwarranted and unnecessary. They call this “objectivity”

Then, they want to “study” it AFTER the fact mainly for the purpose of “re-defining” it or what it means. Which means…I didn’t react to the initial problem properly…so now we shall study it and see perhaps…how I (or someone else) should have reacted to it, how we can remove the context of it, and strip it down so we can redefine it in the liberal truth context. (sound familiar? Jobs. Economy, etc). Meanwhile..the next shoe drops… Sooner or later…Obama and Biden are going to run out of excuses and people to blame. Hopefully that will happen in the next few weeks…so we dont’ have to go through another 4 years of this. Remember..Obama has said….he doesn’t plan to do anything differently….everything is working, and moving forward.

@MataHarley:

I’m sure you missed my question, but you could tell me how your video supports the claim that the FSA is using Libyan missiles in Syria?

Where in that video do we see a missile?

@Liberal1 (Objectivity): Madam Clinton’s Dept. of State through its Diplomatic Protection Service has a 10 billion dollar set of contracts that puts 7500+ security personnel under contract for 5 years. That force is equivalent to an infantry brigade but for some reason multiple requests for added security from Benghazi were denied and the security team from the Utah Natl. Guard withdrawn. See Eric Nordstrom and his testimony to Congress.The arrogance of this administration continues to generate a body count that Liberals have no problem ignoring just as the deaths of Brian Terry and Jaimie Zapata are minimized and the treachery behind their deaths goes unpunished. Believe the crap sandwich that Obama/Clinton are handing the American public if you will.Where I come from people don’t let someone piss down their back and call it rain.

Brian Winkler
wow, this is the one taking away any more excuses
is in it?
and I’m pretty sure some have not yet come out with their aces,
O BAMA should have not fool with
MOTHER SECRET SECURITY INTELLIGENCE
HE is the only PRESIDENT WHO PLANT SPYS IN THEIR GROUPS AND THEY HAVE NOT FORGAVE HIM.
BYE

@Ivan: but you could tell me how your video supports the claim that the FSA is using Libyan missiles in Syria?

Why don’t you point out where I said the FSA is using *Libyan* missiles, Ivan. Or are you filling in the blanks with your own interpretations again?

And how do you know the missiles the FSA is using are *not* from Libya? Do tell us where you get your inside knowledge of what the militants have, and who they got it from. Me? I know that the Libyan weapons landed at Turkish docks mid September, including SAM-7s, and were making their way to the Syrian front lines. Need more than that? Try here, at Syria Online, and the Friends of Syria blog. Was that the first, or only shipment? Why no, it isn’t… because the Friends of Syria article points out that the Lebanese have seized a similar shipment. How many others have gotten thru? But we sure know they are making their way thru the black market, sure as the sun rises each morning.

And I’ll once again remind you, the “claim” is not a claim, but an expressed concern that the Gaddafi weaponry.. which is not in the possession of NATO, the US or the new Libyan authorities… is on the black market, and available to bad guys. As of last August, they were busy, scouring the black market for these.

This worry about the missing Gaddafi weaponry is expressed not by me, but by the State Dept, Panetta and US intelligence agencies. Personally, I’m of the impression they know more than you. I merely echoed it in my original post last year, and reiterated that bad guys having this is not a good idea.

Why bother posting links, Mata, if when I view the link, I read them, then I comment on them and then you don’t address my rejoinder?

I mean your video was, as I’ve stated before why I don’t like your style of discourse, nothing more than misdirection and obfuscation. Okay, some Hind is flying and giving off flares. SOP in a combat situation. I don’t blame the pilots knowing that the phvcking Turks are supplying-illegally I might add- MANPADS to the FSA.

Why did you post that video-I ask again-and how does it support your hypothesis that MANPADS from Libya are all over the place, including Syria.

@MataHarley:

Me? I know that the Libyan weapons landed at Turkish docks mid September, including SAM-7s, and were making their way to the Syrian front lines. Need more than that? Try here, at Syria Online, and the Friends of Syria blog. Was that the first, or only shipment? Why no, it isn’t… b

I never denied the existence of Libyan SAMs-they were a fearsome client of Russia for many decades.

What I have contended, ALL ALONG, MATA, was that that some 30,000 MANPADS were in the hands of Al Queda or other groups.

You, MATA, have just proven me correct-I don’t think you even realize this salient fact-that NATO has these MANPADS, they’ve had them all along, MATA.

TURKEY is a memeber of NATO.

Your links prove my point and discredit your point.

Thank you, again, MATA, for proving me right.

Again, I ask you, Where or how does the video support your claim.

MANPADS are small, perhaps I missed it, but where in the video do we see a MANPAD?

@MataHarley:

I merely echoed it in my original post last year, and reiterated that bad guys having this is not a good idea.

No one on our side believe it’s a good thing, Mata, just that some of us believe that the situation is being hyped and blown out of proportions.

I can assure you, Mata, if AQ had them, they would have used them against western interests.

@brian winkler:

they have likely dispersed through the Maghreb and probably into the hands of AQ affiliates in the Arabian Peninsula and Central Africa and Sudan.

But you don’t know that, do you?

We know, and Mata is the one who informed us, that they aren’t in the AP, but in the hands of our erstwhile NATO allies, the Turks.

I know it’s fun to say,”Obama deliberately gave MANPADS to AQAP, or AQME”, but until we have DEFINITIVE proof, we can’t say that.

I know you can say that because, like Mata, facts are things that are only minor annoyances and we don’t want to the facts to get in the way of telling a nice, big, fat lie.

It’s intellectual dishonesty that I can’t stand and I find it frequently from numerous posters here on FA.

Oh wait… can’t resist this one first..

I know it’s fun to say,”Obama deliberately gave MANPADS to AQAP, or AQME”, but until we have DEFINITIVE proof, we can’t say that.

I know you can say that because, like Mata, facts are things that are only minor annoyances and we don’t want to the facts to get in the way of telling a nice, big, fat lie.

It’s intellectual dishonesty that I can’t stand and I find it frequently from numerous posters here on FA.

Talk about intellectual dishonesty, again you deliberately misrepresent me. What did I say in my comment #34? Oh yes..

While I will agree that we have no clue if the State Dept and intel estimates of the number of Gaddafi’s missing missiles is accurate, and that “Obama” did not arm AQ, so to speak, MANPADS (including the SA-7s) are alive and well, still a worry to everyone (except you, it seems…) and still doing damage to both military and civilian aircraft in even the past decade.

Facts, Ivan…. they, like the archives, are your worst enemy.

@MataHarley:

August video of Syrian rebels using missiles in August 2012 from Aerospace Diary blog.

Don’t just hate on my posts, Mata, answer this question. You said that video shows MANPADS being use in Syria.

WHERE IN THE VIDEO DO WE SEE THIS.

I’ve asked you at least three times to back up your assertion. Either admit you’re wrong or prove how this video shows it.

Or did the flares confuse you? Do you think those small things emanating from the Hind are MANPADS? Did you not know they were defensive devices deployed by a helicopter?

Or did the flares confuse you? Do you think those small things emanating from the Hind are MANPADS? Did you not know they were defensive devices deployed by a helicopter?

You’re truly a desperate creature, Ivan. Clue one… the vapor trails at the first frame of the original YouTube you seem fixated on, while ignoring the recent use of MANPADs in Aleppo. Otherwise, genius, why would the chopper need to deploy any defensive devices? duh….

@Ivan: What I have contended, ALL ALONG, MATA, was that that some 30,000 MANPADS were in the hands of Al Queda or other groups.

Where have I stated any number of MANPADs, let alone 30,000 of them? The only number stated in my 2011 post was 482 SA-24s that were shipped to Libya in 2004, via a CS Monitor article. The highest estimates I had seen, but never passed on in any comment, was about 15,000.

Nor did I ever say that each and every missing missile was in the hands of bad guys. What I have said is that they are missing, and they are not in the hands of NATO, the US or the new Libyan authorities. Because a Libyan ship carries stolen black market arms, and happens to dock at a Turkish port, does not mean they are Turkish State acquisitions. Turkey has it’s own weaponry. Why would they be buying black market Libyan weapons to ship to the rebels?

MANPADS are small, perhaps I missed it, but where in the video do we see a MANPAD?

Seems you don’t know what a MANPAD is, Ivan. Vapor trails there, just as there are vapor trails in the below video of the FSA firing MANPADs in Aleppo recently (about 1’05” they become visible on this amateur video). Or do you think that’s some AK47 or RPG fire? Feel the need to see or hear the launcher on the ground?

… or this second documented use of MANSPADS by the FSA, just recently uploaded. Both are from Aleppo area rebels.

Since you feel the burning need to see the launchers more clearly, here ya go…

Here’s yet another YouTube video.

You have a couple of problems trying to redeem your casual attitude about the missing Libyan arsenal, Ivan. First problem? These stolen black market weaponry have already been documented as being on ships, headed for battlefronts… and they aren’t being purchased by the nation of Turkey. Ergo, they are not in the hands of NATO. Second problem, MANPADs are being used.

You keep insisting they aren’t Libyan weapons, yet you have only lip service to document this asinine conclusion. On the other hand, I’ve already documented that the stolen Libyan weapons are making their way thru the black market, and on the way to bad guys. And bad guys is not confined to AQ only. So the probability that some of these weapons (note to reading challenged, “some” does not mean 100% all…) are indeed Libyan in origin.

Therefore, no further “discourse” is necessary. You may continue to cling to your pipe dreams solo.

@Skook: #54
What if Obama isn’t on OUR side? What if he wants THEM to win? The discovery of his wedding ring saying, “There is no god but Allah,” on it, makes me even more sure Obama is on THEIR side. It’s not his wedding ring. He has been wearing it since his college days. It means so much to him that he didn’t want to replace it with an actual wedding ring. Why would Michelle go along with it? Wouldn’t she want her husband to wear HER ring to show dedication to HER?

Obama’s ring: ‘There is no god but Allah’

We will continue to witness the consequences of Obama having led the Libya war from behind, – – a stockpile from a lifetime of weapon accumulation by Qaddafi was dispersed overnight across the continent of Africa, and North across the Mediterranean by every nut-case who could steal or buy them.

There never was a plan, and now there is no plan to deal with the weapons because that is in the realm of the impossible. We can thank the same leadership that protected its Ambassador so well, . . . from behind.

James Raider
wow this not good news for the whole west NATIONS, I say,
we are now on the assuming thought of when and where it could possibly show up,
bad feelings for all.
can we think of the scenario if they along with IRAN GET ALL SPREAD OUT in different strategic countries, waiting r the sign to go ahead make their day,
not funny this time,
if we could only begin to disrupt their plans, by thinking like them. I HEARD ODAY THAT OBAMA order some special op to be ready
bye
you know what I think,
he might leave us with a bang

@johngalt: #56
What if Obama was in on it? Just wondering.

@MataHarley:

What I have said is that they are missing, and they are not in the hands of NATO, the US or the new Libyan authorities. Because a Libyan ship carries stolen black market arms, and happens to dock at a Turkish port, does not mean they are Turkish State acquisitions.

WHAT???? The link you provided last night was Turkey was responsible for giving MANPADS to the FSA.

NOW you’re saying that the missiles were docked in a Turkish port, but not under the control of the Turkish authorities????

So Mata knows about this ship docking in Turkey, but they aren’t under the control of Turkey?

Is this how you spin when your entire web comes falling down, Mata?

@MataHarley:

You’re truly a desperate creature, Ivan. Clue one… the vapor trails at the first frame of the original YouTube you seem fixated on, while ignoring the recent use of MANPADs in Aleppo. Otherwise, genius, why would the chopper need to deploy any defensive devices? duh….

So the simple act of the Hind deploying flares is in your mind evidence that the FSA got MANPADS from AQ Libya.

Or, is there some missile trail visible in the video that I didn’t see (I’ve asked you this question a few times, please answer where the missile trail is and if there is none just admit it).

@MataHarley:

while ignoring the recent use of MANPADs in Aleppo

I’m not ignoring ANYTHING. You finally, this afternoon, bring Allepo “evidence” (I’ll watch it later-I’m no a short break) and accuse me of ignoring it from previous conversations?

Come on, Mata, if you were in a court the Judge would have found you in contempt for hiding evidence.

@MataHarley:

Seems you don’t know what a MANPAD is, Ivan. Vapor trails there

I’ll ask AGAIN, in what frame or at what second in the initial video do we see the vapor trails from a SAM.

@MataHarley:

and they aren’t being purchased by the nation of Turkey. Ergo, they are not in the hands of NATO. Second problem, MANPADs are being used.

I’m sorry, we know by your own links, that some of the MANPADS are, in fact, making their way into Turkey.

Your claim is highly dubious that the Turks don’t’ know about it. You know about it, but they don’t, right? Is that what you really want us to believe.

Yes, by golly, that 3rd video is a MANPAD. Congratulations. I’m not sure I can see “PROPERTY OF THE LIBYAN GOVERNMENT” on it, but apparently these missiles weren’t liberated from the Syrian Army (of course not, Mata, that is highly unfathomable), but brought to the FSA by the AQAP or AQME.

You’re spinning, insulting, and losing.

Try not to engage in ad hominen attacks, Mata. I don’t mind you disagree with me, but don’t think for a minute you can insult me.

For a guy who likes to whine about “intellectual honesty”, you really take the cake, Ivan.

You finally, this afternoon, bring Allepo “evidence” (I’ll watch it later-I’m no a short break) and accuse me of ignoring it from previous conversations?

I “finally” bring the evidence? I’m sorry, Ivan… am I supposed to be your encyclopedia of news that’s been around since mid-Sept? Let me remind you, it’s you who said:

Pure raw and unproven speculation by you that the Turkey MANPADS would have come from Libya. You have no proof, but you throw it out like it’s a possibility.

Any imbecile, save you apparently, could search and find the mid September news reports of the Libyan ship filled with Gaddafi weapons that were destined for the Syrian rebels.

So why am I providing any YouTube videos at all? Because you said:

With each passing day the lack of attacks points to the fact that AQ or other terrorits, don’t have them.

Obviously, the use of MANPADs is documented. Also documented is that AQ affiliates and Islamists have teamed up with the FSA. So how do you know it’s not one of the Islamists, who have the contacts for the Libyan stolen weaponry that passed thru a Turkish port, and attempted to get prior shipments in before being stopped by the Lebanese, aren’t those on the video?

Short answer.. you don’t. There is more evidence to say there are Libyan missiles in Syria, being used by bad guys, than your assertion there isn’t. But then you aren’t “intellectually honest” in a degree.

Do your own homework, Ivan. I provide a lot of links that back up what I say, and I don’t always provide everything I have at my disposal. You, on the other hand, provide nothing but lip service. Ergo, why most of what you say is virtually useless and only designed to be inflammatory.

Since you want to play gotcha games, why don’t you tell us all why the chopper is deploying defensive mechanisms, Ivan. Practice maybe? Or would that be for some ground AK47 fire? May some RPGs trying to get that high?

Again… duh.

IVAN
read the 72 comment of JR

Smorgasbord
could it be? who know what is going on in a head of a desperate person
who cannot take the pressure for long, because of his story of drug taking
bye
I just read on FOX, jihadi have sent weapons to rebels in SYRIA

@MataHarley:

I provide a lot of links that back up what I say, and I don’t always provide everything I have at my disposal

And your own link said that Turkey was supplying the FSA with missiles. You want us to believe, in a wild stretch that you know about these mysterious missiles, but the Turkish government doesn’t.

Again, one more time, the last time, where in the initial video do we see a SAM trail?

It’s there or it isn’t.

Please note, I’m not engaging you in name-calling (you’re doing that because I’ve got you). Like I’ve always said about you and Aye, reflexively you resort to name-calling when losing a debate.

The Turkish government, as well as the Saudis, are arming the Syrian rebels. I believe Qatar is as well. That, however, doesn’t preclude that Libyan stolen MANPADs are not also in the mix, Mr. Intellectually Honest. Considering that Turkey is one of 20 countries licensed to manufacture and export MANPADs via the Wassenaar Arrangement, why would they be buying the Libyan stolen missiles on the black market to export? Oh, do you… who demands links/proof but never provides any.. need proof of that too? Got that in my bookmarks arsenal. But I suggest you practice your research abilities.

And you present yourself as Mr. Informed?

Again, one more time… why is the chopper deploying defense mechanisms? Or are they testing their MAWs for the fun of it?

Are you willing to admit that you’re clueless to Libyan stolen weaponry being transferred and sold on the black market yet? Are you willing to admit that the bad guys in Syria, which would be militants/FSA (which are virtually indistinguishable to the world’s eyes) have Libyan weapons and are indeed deploying MANPADs?

Or are you going to stick to your desperate spin, hoping someone might see you as viable?

@MataHarley:

Turkey is one of 20 countries licensed to manufacture and export MANPADs via the Wassenaar Arrangement, why would they be buying the Libyan stolen missiles on the black market to export?

It’s done all the time-all the time-Mata, The US initially bought SAM-7s from Egypt in the early 1980s, as did Syria and sent them to the Muhajideen fighting the Russians.

It’s done all the time. I dont’ expect that the Turks would give the FSA MANPADS from their NATO stockpiles for obvious reasons (quality). Buying a bunch of SAM-7s and giving them to the FSA is simple and easily understood.

Good debate, Mata. I’ll answer more later! Work beckons!

Mata: Turkey is one of 20 countries licensed to manufacture and export MANPADs via the Wassenaar Arrangement, why would they be buying the Libyan stolen missiles on the black market to export?

Ivan: It’s done all the time-all the time-Mata, The US initially bought SAM-7s from Egypt in the early 1980s, as did Syria and sent them to the Muhajideen fighting the Russians.

Oh no you don’t, Ivan. PROVE that the US bought *black market, stolen* Egyptian MANPADs to supply Afghanistan in the 1980s. Otherwise, you’re babbling about apples to kumquats, and pretending they are the same animal. (Nint… Egypt is also licensed to manufacture and export MANPADs)

In fact, let’s make it even easier. What country, licensed to manufacture and sell MANPADs, have *EVER* purchased *black market, stolen* MANPADs to sell for export. No lip service accepted. Links. Where’s the links to the documented proof to what you say?

@MataHarley:

Again, one more time… why is the chopper deploying defense mechanisms? Or are they testing their MAWs for the fun of it?

I don’t know, it could be they feared SAMs that the FSA have obtained from the Syrian Army or even the Libyan “missing” stockpiles the Turks sold the FSA.

We don’t know. I mean you know, although you can’t prove it.

I never doubted that the FSA had MANPADS, what I doubt, since you can’t prove it, is that they are only from Libya.

Thank you for admitting, without doing so, that there were no SAMs in that video, by the way.

😉

@MataHarley:

doesn’t preclude that Libyan stolen MANPADs are not also in the mix, Mr. Intellectually Honest.

Oh I’ll admit that, but that doesn’t PROVE that, like you’ve been insinuating all along.

My being honest? HOT! You being dishonest? NOT HOT!

😉

Hillary took the fall, but has not yet been fired.
What is wrong with Obama?
He HAS to fire her.
Does No Buck stop with Obama?

MATA
THE SECRETARY OF STATES HILARY CLINTON SAID, I TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY
FOR THE TERROR ATTACK IN BENGHASI LIBYA

@ilovebeeswarzone:

I TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY

As Nan G said, what does that mean?

Seppuku could be an act of redemptions.

@ilovebeeswarzone: #82
The only pressure Obama is under, is to do and say what his puppeteers want him to. He doesn’t have to do any thinking. This is why he ALWAYS does badley without his TOTUS.

Rather liked Evil Blogger Lady’s take on Hillary jumping on her sword …

http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/10/breaking-hillary-clinton-takes.html

She’s going to be 68 in 2016 .. her chances of a successful presidential election at that point, botox or no, are slim. So .. she takes the fall, and converts her own (at best marginal) chances for the white house for a near-guaranteed chance at being a “party statesperson” for *life*.

She didn’t shiv Obama, alas .. I was rather hoping for a week of long knives .. but she didn’t help him much either. The buck still stops with him, and his attempt to blame her is just as tacky as her attempt to blame an underling.

The more I ponder it, the more I think that’s the direction this goes. The Clintons are going legacy-building.

Mew

acat
yes, and I bet they have begun their book, on it,
bye

@Ivan: It would be rather foolish to deny that the weapon stocks were not pilfered,looted or stolen by a loose alliance of militia and known terror groups. Benghazi has been an area that produces the largest portion of al Qaeda’s Libyan volunteers. With a long standing base of operations in the Benghazi – Derna area AQ would be placed perfectly to benefit from the windfall that came with Qaddafi’s downfall. As has been the case in every instance since 9/11 a superior military force has prevailed yet not once have coalition forces been able to manage the vacuum created by that force of arms. AQ and its affiliates have benefited from this. AQ is resurgent and is consolidating in Mali,Nigeria, Sudan and Yemen. As others have stated the rebels found themselves sitting on Qaddafi’s 40+ year collection of more ordnance than he could have ever use. Those weapons were there for the taking and they have been leaving by truck,by sea and probably caravan since there is no functioning central authority or military to prevent it.

@MataHarley:

Oh now you don’t, Ivan. PROVE that the US bought *black market, stolen* Egyptian MANPADs to supply Afghanistan in the 1980s. Otherwise, you’re babbling about apples to kumquats, and pretending they are the same animal.

It is common knowledge that the US supplied the Muj with weapons even prior to the introduction of the Stinger.

Only a revisionist would disagree. Is that you?

Dodging the question and the responsibility, Ivan. Egypt is licensed to produce and export MANPADs. One more time… attempt to document your empty lip service. PROVE that the US bought *black market, stolen* MANPADs from Egypt to supply Afghanistan in the 1980s.

@brian winkler:

Brian,

The original thread that came about last year stated “10,000 to 30,000” were “missing.”

Sorry, I’m not buying it. If they had fallen into the hands of AQ we would have seen them used by now against Western Interests.

Where are they? Where are these attacks?

Ivan: The original thread that came about last year stated “10,000 to 30,000″ were “missing.”

Lies, lies and more lies. Here is my original post from Sept 8th, 2011. Other than the 482 S-24s mentioned by CS Monitor, where did I state there, or even in the comments, that 10,000 to 30,000 were missing? In fact, other than quoting the CS Monitor’s number, where have I *ever* assigned any number to the missing missiles?

“Intellectual honesty” my ass….

@Ivan: As far as hard numbers are concerned I doubt anyone knows what was inventoried before the rebellion. What concerned me was that SA-24s were included as I understand they are harder to counter measure. Logic would lead to what ever number was taken having spread through every rat line and smuggling route through the ME and N.Africa. They may well prove to be no more of a factor than Charlie Wilson’s Stingers. The fact that there was no operative plan to secure the caches in the resulting power vacuum after Qaddafi fell left us with a threat. Just how serious a threat is what we seem to be disagreeing over.

plainjane31
where are you?
that was good thank you,
why are you not here,
you could not have done worse than the BENGHASI TERRORISTS MURDERS,
WHY ARE YOU NOT HERE?

@MataHarley:

Let’s look at that original post, shall we?

One thing is certain… NATO and the rebels’ NTA have been derelict in securing these weapons,

Turkey, Mata, is a member of NATO. Ships are docking in Turkey, or have docked, with these weapons.

and apparently there are all too many in their midst with an entirely different agenda.

Let’s look at that statement, the bold-faced word, shall we?

ap·par·ent·ly/əˈparəntlē/
Adverb:

Used by speakers or writers to avoid committing themselves to the truth of what they are saying.

This is what I dislike about your argumentative style-always misdirection, obfuscation and non-committal adverbs sprinkled throughout your posts.

And it’s most likely the targets will be western military powers or, worse yet… another passenger jetliner.

@MataHarley:

And it’s most likely the targets will be western military powers or, worse yet… another passenger jetliner.

There, the last sentence. I nailed you to the cross over the last year like you were Spartacus. You, Mata, you brought up the imminent “passenger jetliner” attacks, not me.

The fact is, and facts are to you like a cross is to a vampire, there have been no attacks on PJs since these MANPADS disappeared.

You see, I call you on your bovine fecal matter (one needs wings to stay above all the crap you write) and you still won’t admit you were wrong.

You are intellectually dishonest, Mata. You insinuated we’d be seeing Jetliners falling from the sky due to said thefts, but since no liners have been attacked, it’s safe to say, Mrs. Non-committal, that the weapons didn’t fall into the hands of AQ.

Damn, woman, give you enough rope and you hang yourself.

Ivan, if you read the links to the articles, it was the intelligence and State Depts that specifically noted the risk to passenger jets. And if you think that repeating them mention of the passenger airliner risk – repeated in the various links I already provided in prior comments (which you, apparently, don’t bother to read) – equates to “seeing jetliners falling from the sky”, you’re one challenged reader.

Back to work. No time for whiny, pathethic snivelers in my agenda today. You’ll just have to gnaw on your own limb to escape the shackles you’ve gotten yourself into.

@MataHarley:

No time for whiny, pathethic snivelers in my agenda today. You’ll just have to gnaw on your own limb to escape the shackles you’ve gotten yourself into.

Friends, there you have it. When cornered, like a rat, she lashes out with personal attacks.

SHE wrote about the jetliner attacks, not I! She is the one who now won’t stay by words she wrote a year+ ago.

I called her on her bovine fecal-matter and she now says it was the “State Department”!

Whatever. Just know, Mata, I will always be there to fact-check your posts and call you out on the obfuscation and misdirection that others seem incapable to see through.

Interesting for a woman to do something of this magnitude for a man she does NOT like. I wonder if She regrets leaving the senate? I guess we will have to wait for her memoir, but only if its truthful.