Another Historic First For Obama & Pals…Holder Held In Contempt

The Mainstream Liberal Media IS a Joke ! God i hope my fellow Americans wake up , see a turd like it really is. Even if Holder is held responsible , you can bet Barry will pardon him whether he wins or loses.

Meanwhile, as the House finds Holder in contempt, the entire picture that Issa and other republicans have been pitching seems to be unraveling. A lot of people seem to forget that it was never more than hypothetical to begin with.

From The Seattle Times, June 27; ATF agent who started ‘Fast and Furious’ defends operation:

According to Newell, there is no evidence that Holder or any high-ranking Justice Department official knew the ins and outs of his gun case. But plenty of other officials in the ATF and the Phoenix U.S. Attorney’s Office did — and approved it, Newell said.
. . .
The plan was permitted under ATF rules, had the legal backing of U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke in Phoenix, was approved by Newell’s ATF superiors and was funded by a regional task force of the Justice Department, ATF’s parent agency. Justice officials also signed off on wiretap applications, although the applications did not indicate a description of the tactics used, according to Democratic lawmakers who have seen them.
. . .
“The notion that there was a secret tactic is totally absurd,” Newell said.

Newell added that he and his agents were hamstrung by the U.S. Attorney’s Office. He said prosecutors told him that in most of their straw-purchaser cases, his agents’ hands were tied. They did not have probable cause to arrest the straw buyers because the men purchased the guns legally, and it was difficult to prove they were committing a crime by giving the gun to someone else.

Newell said he never told his agents to “let guns walk.” Instead, he said, he told them they had to have sufficient evidence to satisfy the prosecutors that they had probable cause to seize the guns.

This is in addition to an independent article that just appeared in CNN Fortune, The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal, written by investigative reporter Katherine Eban. From that article:

Quite simply, there’s a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.

Elsewhere Eban says:

“After six months of investigation, what became clear to me is that the things that Congress was holding up as centerpieces of proof that guns had been walked were, in fact, misconstrued, incorrect, resulted from other motives, other reasons, that there were alternate explanations and that really, this was a case of cherry picking, you know, small phrases, sentences, without any of the context really that you need in order to understand what actually happened in Phoenix Group Seven.”

Allow me to pose a question: Whose job is it to investigate the investigators? Who has oversight over any questionable activities on the part of the House Oversight Committee?

Long one jere folks. I am beyond mad right now so please bear with me.

Blatant racist who refused to uphold the laws of the land in the Black Panther fiasco. Refuses to uphold the immigration laws of the land at the behest of his master who’s hand he happily licks. Now his master invokes privilege to hide facts that by law should be given to an investigative committee of Congress!

The trampling of our laws and Constitution by these Marxist thugs are beyond anything one could imagine even in the days of the McCarthy hearings. the march to tyranny is real and is headed by some of the most despicable people to have ever held elected or appointed office. And this tirade includes the spineless Rinos as well!

Today with this contempt vote combined with the trampling of the Constitution by the Supreme Court, the outright lies and Anti-American Marxist hard left President and his lackeys mark a sad day in American History. There was another ruling by I believe the 9th Circuit which gives the EPA
unwarranted power and basic control over the economy with more regulations.

Our liberties are being stripped. Today, I see the Obama Truth Squad ordered GoDaddy to close down a site that spoke against Chairman Obama! This is real folks! The loss of Freedom of Speech, Gun Ownership and thought control (Political Correctness is in fact thought control)? All are right around the corner.

This administration along with so many elected officials as like the Attorney General are running over all of us! When is it going to stop? Have we as a people gotten so wrapped up in “what’s in it for me?” that we are willing to give up every basic right to these Marxist bastards?

I have never been as sickened as I am right now as to the shape our country is in! I for one am sick and tired of it and I will rot in hell before I stop criticizing this President or anyone else who feels they can take away everything I and so many others hold dear! The lying piece of excrement known as the Attorney General or for the that matter the joker in the White House and all the others are in fact a symptom of what is wrong with our entire country!

I weep for our country. Today we lost something our forefathers gave their life and blood for. Who in the hell do these people think they are to blemish their memory and in turn destroy the very fabric of this once great country? And who is going to have the balls in the electorate and elsewhere to stand up and fight this tyranny. Someone answer that for me because with the way so many seem to not give one damn about our country, our ideals or personal responsibility, with the cancer that is destroying this country from within I cannot see a light at the end of the tunnel! The greatest country in the world is being destroyed before our very eyes and no one gives a damn. Tell me why

Republican response During Contempt Votes Against Top Bush Staffers Who Refused to Testify Before Congress (Boehner throws a hissy-fit):

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2012/06/28/watch-boehner-lead-republicans-off-house-floor-during-2008-contempt-votes-against-bush-staffers-who-refused-to-testify-before-congress/

@Greg: Greg, wrong again! Issa isn’t requesting documents to find out what went wrong, he is requesting documents that date from the point where Holder first lied to the committee. He is looking for the cover-up documents. Learn to read and comprehend what you read!

@Sua Sponte, #12:

And people are taking swings at my reading comprehension level?

Assuming that any of the above is true–and I never make such assumptions, considering some of the sources commonly cited around here–you’ve just demonstrated that Darrell Issa is willing to blow the cover off of ongoing law enforcement operations in order to further his politically motivated witch hunt, using the Speech or Debate clause as personal protection.

Have I got that right?

Issa reveals wiretap docs from DOJ mole

@Wm T Sherman: It appears that the only on going law enforcement operations in which the justice department is involved is protecting a crook like Holder.

Greg, if there is nothing to find, then Issa will be made out to be a fool. I expect that with the high amount of push back from this administration, there is plenty to find! Maybe someone will actually go to jail in this administration for crimes they committed.

@Aye: It was section about the cover being blown of the doctor who helped finger OBL and the one that blew the cover of the undercover CIA operative that thwarted the plane bombing. Sorry. Different scandal.

Sua Sponte,
you sure have the right arguments, it make it easy to figure it all,
thank you.

@Greg:

There is no flood of US weapons crossing the border. Only about 12% of the weapons recovered at crime scenes in Mexico are of U.S. origin. The weapons available on the international black market are cheaper, do not require dealing with U.S. laws, and include items like rocket propelled grenades and full auto weapons that are not available here.

I repeat the questions you ignored: What was the law enforcement objective of Fast and Furious? What criminals was the program designed to capture?

There is no flood of US weapons crossing the border. Only about 12% of the weapons recovered at crime scenes in Mexico are of U.S. origin.

Per who, the NRA?

From FactCheck.org, which accepts neither Obama’s 90%, nor the FOX News 17%, which they dismiss as a clearly faulty interpretation of available statistics:

Given the lack of hard data from Mexico, we can’t calculate a precise figure for what portion of crime guns have been traced to the U.S. Based on the best evidence we can find so far, we conclude that the 90 percent claim made by the president and others in his administration lacks a basis in solid fact. But we also conclude that the number is at least double what Fox News has reported, based on its reporters’ mistaken interpretation of ATF testimony.

Whether the number is 90 percent, or 36 percent, or something else, there’s no dispute that thousands of guns are being illegalIy transported into Mexico by way of the United States each year.

Common sense and a fundamental understanding of the nature of criminal enterprises should tell us that. Guns are relatively inexpensive and easily obtained in the U.S. border states. There’s an enormous illegal market just across the border, and enormous quantities of readily available cash from drug sales in the hands of people eager to pay a huge mark up. What does the law of supply and demand suggest will happen in a situation like that?

It must be great to be able to routinely turn off all logic and disregard each and every inconvenient fact that gets in the way of believing exactly what you want to believe. Sometimes, though, people who routinely do that begin to look like they’ve got more loose screws than a Studebaker.

ATF: Mexico seized 68,000 guns made in or imported to United States since 2006

Of course, you’re probably not going to believe the ATF either.

What do you suppose the seizure rate in Mexico is? My guess is that only a tiny fraction of the total guns that Mexican drug gangs get their hands on are eventually confiscated by the Mexican police.

@Wm T Sherman: Please be gentle with poor Greg. He is in way over his head. His golden idol is starting to resemble a cheap brass plated cupie doll! He has run out of excuses for Obama and his shill, Holder.

Wm T Sherman
it might be a possibility the non retrieved guns where given to ALQUADA GROUPS VIA THE CARTELS MEXICO,
oh my, if someone has done that for that real purpose, they sure don’t want to tell, or maybe they destroyed the papers already, but what if ISSA know it already, and ask for those exacts papers they don’t want to give, because they destroyed it, ?

@Sua Sponte, #31:

What hasn’t had any response is the question I asked in #25 regarding supply, demand, and common sense. I presume that last item is either a commodity in very short supply–unlike U.S. firearms crossing the border–or you simply don’t like the obvious conclusion that common sense leads to.

Hank Rockwell Jr
you had it figured out early on, congrat to you. for your discerning gift,
yes CORRECTION DAY and more to correct as it get closer. bye