When A Narcissist Falls Apart

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The weather that fall was terrible; well actually, it was just a little worse than normal. We were in a hunting camp in the mountains about one hundred miles North of the Peace. There were three guides with three hunters. Knarley Manners, my best friend, had a nice quiet hunter that was serious about hunting and wasn’t worried about the cold, miserable conditions. I had one of a pair of hunters from Chicago: the two of them had won the hunting trip through a company contest and they were as different from each other as two men can be. My hunter was a former small game hunter who had grown up on a farm in Illinois, this was the trip of a lifetime for him and he wanted to have a successful hunt. The other hunter was a huge man, he stood at least 6 foot 6 and weighed way over three hundred pounds. He was as out of place in the mountains as a person can be and never stopped complaining. He was a perpetual whiner. Hunting was not his way to have fun, but he won the trip and was determined to take advantage of the prize, even though he hated every minute he was there. He was quite proud of himself to the point of being arrogant.

He would have taken over the whole camp and passed out orders to everyone; except, in these conditions, he new nothing, I was in charge and I wasn’t about to relinquish control over to this arrogant giant that thought he knew everything. Since he couldn’t give orders, he complained about the weather, the food, his saddle, the lack of game, (that’s why they call it hunting), the sleeping arrangements, and his horse. I put him on the biggest packhorse we had, Ol’ Moose, because our favorite hunter who became known as Mr. Big couldn’t ride a lick and I didn’t want him hurting any of the smaller horses. Because of the constant complaining, I put him with John Belcourt; John was a Chips Indian and a giant himself. John was always cheerful and would never let this guy’s attitude get to him. Neither would John be intimidated by the size of the surly one, for if there was a guy who could wrestle a Grizzly bear, it was John. He was as strong as 4 or 5 strong men and could move like a cougar.

He was helping me log some years back and we were standing on a log deck about 20 feet high and thirty feet wide; we were talking and counting logs when the deck started rolling, I turned and ran toward the end to jump while scrambling over the moving logs thinking that poor John wouldn’t be fast or nimble enough to make it off the deck and he would be crushed between the fast moving logs. He passed me while I was running and looked at me with a big grin on his face and asked if I was going to make it: I shook my head yes and yelled out “yes” while scrambling over the wildly moving logs. He sprinted to the end twice as fast as me and made a big jump to safety and had time to turn around and see me scramble off the rolling death trap. John was not a guy who would be intimidated by an arrogant phony.

At dinnertime, between the complaints, we heard all about Mr. Big’s house, his importance at the office, of his golf country club, of how he was a scratch golfer, how the women at the office all went out of their way to do special things for him and flirt with him, he had the best cars, the best rifle, the smartest kids and truthfully none of us could care less; yet, he had this overwhelming desire to impress us with his success and image.

When the temperature drops and the rain turns to snow and ice, the real personality of your companions begins to show. Our big man from Chicago was becoming even more belligerent as the temperature dropped. John always kept a smile on his face while his hunter complained unceasingly about the weather, the hunt, and the fact that John didn’t care what he complained about.

John took his hunter out one morning and after they were gone for a couple of hours, the fog moved in; now, when the fog comes in, you can’t move in the mountains, because you are likely to walk off into the middle of nowhere or at least take a fast trip down a mountain for a 1,000 or more feet. It is best in the thick fog to sit down and wait it out; even it takes three or four days, better to wait than be dead.

The fog had us ’socked in’ for 48 hours. John didn’t return with Mr. Big, his hunter; I wasn’t worried, John could take care of someone for the whole winter, if necessary.

Two days later John walked into camp with a very mad hunter who was demanding I cook a meal immediately. I started a meal, this is a service industry and we are supposed to cater to the customers.

I asked John what happened to our hunter to get him from a miserable personality to a really mad personality.

He told me, they were stopped by the fog, and he shot two nice grouse with an air pistol he kept for such emergencies. He packed the birds in mud and roasted them in the fire, but the hunter didn’t want to partake since the birds had just been packed in mud like a potato instead of being plucked and gutted in the white man’s fashion. John knew the feathers would come off with the head and feet when he broke the hardened mud covering after baking the birds for 30 minutes or so. John was surprised when the hunter refused his share of the meal; so John ate both the birds.

John told me he made a nice shelter in a dry creek bed. The floor was lined with spruce boughs with a tarp over the top. It was designed so that the two men’s bodies would warm each other because of the close quarters. Mr. Big refused to crawl into the small emergency tent until the temperature dropped to twenty below; he then decided that sleeping next to the big Indian might not be such a bad idea after all.

Despite John’s efforts at saving Mr. Big, Mr. Big entered camp with a profound dislike of John and insisted that John leave camp and that he wanted a White Man to guide him for the rest of his hunt. I started to tell Mr. Big that most of the residents in the Peace were at least part Indian, but figured it wasn’t with the effort. Now this presented a problem, if John left camp, he could walk to base camp in a day and send back another guide; but we were talking about a two or three day period with three hunters and two guides.

I figured I could handle the craziness and wrote a note for John to give to our boss, explaining the situation. John thought everything was humorous and took off through the timber at a pace that was just a wee bit slower than a marathon runner. I watched him until he disappeared and marveled at the strength and stamina of the big man.

I made a nice meal of eggs with onions, huckleberry pancakes, and chopped potatoes with bacon and coffee; Mr. Big’s spirit lifted and he said he would like to try and get a moose later on that day.

He was tired; but he seemed to be back to normal and a guide is supposed to cater to a hunter, at least, to a certain point.

We rode to within a half-mile of a lick that would surely have a moose show up that afternoon. I picketed the horses and we walked toward the lick.

On the way in, there is a trail crossing that left good vision from a hill down four trails for at least a quarter mile in each direction. I instructed Mr. Big in whispered tones to watch the trails for an hour while I took his partner in to the lick; game would be using the trails and he had excellent visibility and with the lick a few hundred yards away, he would have an excellent chance for a bull moose or elk. I told him not to leave this area, no matter what; if I heard a shot I would be over right away to take care of the animal. He nodded his head yes, and I took his friend in close to the lick and we waited in a natural blind.

I sat with the second hunter for an hour in complete silence, we saw a cow moose and her calf come into the lick, the hunter picked up his camera and took some great shots at about forty yards. He was pleased to get the shots and was happy to be seeing game. After the cow and her calf walked away, I motioned that I needed to check on Mr. Big and I left him at the lick.

I walked to the trail crossing carefully, thinking about Mr. Big standing there with a rifle and his problem of being overly self-conscious, I was a little apprehensive, people can sometimes become spooked waiting for someone in total silence.

I broke cover, near the trail crossing, but there was no Mr. Big. I walked into the open and called out with a loud voice, there was still no hunter. I looked down each trail and there was no hunter to be seen. This was bad, this was really bad, there are no street signs out there and the likelihood of seeing another human being is slim and none; in other words, if I didn’t find this guy, he was dead meat in 24 to 48 hours and more than likely we would never find his body, because the bears and other animals would have it eaten and the bones scattered within a few days.

I walked down each trail looking for sign, the man was big and heavy, he would leave a good track in soft dirt; although, the ground was quickly freezing. I finally found a track in the semi-frozen mud near a warm water spring. He was traveling West and in a hurry; the tracks were spaced about four feet apart, that meant he was almost at a run.

I was following the tracks and becoming more apprehensive at the speed this guy was traveling; then I saw his rifle and parka on the side of the trail. The situation was disintegrating by the minute; he had obviously lost his mind and had taken off his jacket and thrown away his expensive Browning Magnum. I took the rifle back to the spot I had picketed the horses and hid it; I didn’t want a crazy man getting a hold of a rifle. I saddled my horse and took off at a trot following the trail. At the speed he was traveling, I was going to have trouble catching him because I had to travel slow enough to read sign.

My horse and I passed the parka and soon we were passing other articles of clothing; I’d heard of this before, when someone loses their sanity, they will often take off their clothes and run naked. This is a sure way to die in the mountains; but I think at this point they are long past the ability to use reason. Eventually, he stopped to take his boots and socks off; his trousers and long johns were scattered about the same area and that meant he was now completely nude, as naked as the day he was born and still running like a mad man. He wasn’t likely to leave anymore sign with out his hard sole boots and no more clothes or weapons to throw away, so I put my horse in a lope and hoped he didn’t stray from the trail. The last sign I had seen had an eight foot stride, a horse only has a 12 foot stride at a canter; I don’t know how fast he was traveling, but he was in high gear that’s for sure.

I couldn’t help myself, I started laughing at the ridiculous situation; I was on a horse chasing a huge naked man who was a big time business man in Chicago, he had already run several miles and showed no sign of slowing down. My horse was starting to get tired of this pace at this altitude. I used the heel of my moccasins and asked my horse to pick up the pace a notch.

My horse was already in a lather and her lungs were laboring to keep up with the pace I was asking of her. I was beginning to wonder whether it was worth killing the horse to catch this bastard, when I saw my naked man; he was about a quarter of a mile ahead of me, running up a mountain with sharp rocks for footing instead of dirt. I figured the sharp rocks would slow him down; but he kept running without noticing that his feet were being cut to rag dolls.

The trail was a blood trail now, I put my horse in a gallop and caught up to him. Riding along side of him, I yelled, “Hay! Hay! Do you want to stop, we need to talk.”

He didn’t even look at me, he just kept running. I urged my horse up ahead and jumped off to face him, he kept running and I was beginning to think he was going to run right over the top of me. He wasn’t slowing down! I pulled my saddle horse to me and turned her so that if he was going to run into us he would have to meet her hind shoes first and I am sure they would stop him, if they didn’t kill him.

He stopped before he ran into the horse, I turned the horse away and tried to talk to Mr. Big; but he was blathering on in a nonsense kind of language and drooling at the same time. I couldn’t help but think of the story in the bible of the Tower of Babel. He began slapping me in the chest with his hands to emphasize his bizarre speech and I started to worry over my own safety. Since I was only a teenager and had not yet attended school to receive training in psychology, I decided the only thing to do was to hit this monster a good one to try and ‘knock some sense into him’.

My dad had boxed in the Navy and he had taught me the fundamentals of how to hit; but I had never punched anyone in anger. I decided that I was going to need to hit him as hard as I could; because if he decided to tear me apart, I might need to shoot him to keep from being hurt.

I threw an overhand right to his jaw like I was swinging an ax and he fell to a sitting position. He wasn’t knocked out; but he was stunned and thankfully quiet.

I tried to talk to him, but no one was home; eventually, I led him by the hand, back the way we came and made him put his clothes back on at each spot; truthfully, I had to help him get dressed, like helping a small child.

I couldn’t help but think that I was glad that Knarley didn’t see this and take a few photos; I would have been humiliated for years with pictures of me leading a naked giant and a horse through the mountains.

His friend was quite upset that his hunting trip was over, merely because his partner had suffered a nervous breakdown; but someone had to fly with him back to Chicago. And I didn’t want any Looney tune types near the rifles.

Years later, I asked the outfitter about Mr. Big’s fate and learned he had never been the same, he didn’t recover, and never worked again.

I have thought about this incident many times over the last 45 years: asking myself, what I could have done differently to have avoided the situation. Even though “Mr. Big” had a superiority complex and was arrogant to the point of being obnoxious; he still had a family that depended on him back in Chicago.

I eventually determined that if a man is considered a special man with authority and he doesn’t really have the moral integrity that is normally considered part of the process of becoming a leader; in other words if he unqualified for a position of leadership, he must adopt a false sense of arrogance to compensate for psychological shortcomings. This sense of arrogance can be interpreted as Narcissism; unfortunately, the greater the moral and intellectual incompetence coupled with an even higher position, the greater the sense of arrogance and Narcissism will be exhibited. Mr. Big was put in a situation that caused his extreme lack of confidence and poise to overwhelm his false sense of arrogance and Narcissism. Thus when he was tested for an hour on his own, in a condition where he couldn’t relate and reaffirm his sense of accomplishment and superiority by belittling others, his arrogance fell apart, leaving little more than a blubbering weakling.

In 2008, we elected a person to the presidency who had no experience and seems to need to qualify his personal inflated view of himself as a superior individual, a view that was bestowed on him immediately by the MSM with no substance or records to qualify those opinions, feeding his arrogance and Narcissism on a daily basis. With only vague and dubious claims of superior intellect, claims that can’t be substantiated because of a lock down of intellectual records, a move that is even further complicated by the ever glaring possibility or likelihood of Affirmative Action having been a greased path of least resistance throughout his academic career. Thus instead of having a great intellect as once vaunted by the MSM, the great intellect has become circumspect by the ‘unavailability’ of academic records and his inability to speak without a teleprompter.

The mistakes and miscues concerning basic economic theory and an embarrassing lack of etiquette and knowledge of foreign affairs have made the president vulnerable to stinging criticism; unfortunately, like Mr Big, a neurotic Narcissist will become desperate as the false image that has been created, begins to crumble away, thus at a certain point the Narcissistic neurosis becomes a malignant psychosis.

A professional horseman for over 40 years, Skook continues to work with horses. He is in an ongoing educational program, learning life's lessons from one of the world's greatest instructors, the horse. Skook has finished an historical novel that traces a mitochondrial line of DNA from 50,000 years ago to the present. It goes to the copyeditor next month.

49 Responses to “When A Narcissist Falls Apart”

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    Wm T Sherman

    The Obama campaign appears to be imploding. Everything they try blows up in their faces: war on women, dog cruelty, eat the rich, etc. etc. In each case their utter hypocrisy is revealed, and quickly. It’s as if the campaign is being run by weak ignorant narcissists cast from the same mold as the President. This time they can’t run Obama as a big talking vague cypher, all things to all people. He has crystallized into a definite entity as a result of his record in office – and that image is, a guy who cares about all the wrong things. After four years of growing the government and helping nobody except ‘their people,’ all the Dems have to work with is demonizing conservatives and promising to protect everyone from the scary right wingers. Their only good economic news is fake and consists of rather brazenly fiddling the unemployment figures by ignoring the shrinking size of the work force. It’s a weak hand to begin with, but as it turns out, they suck at this. A whole series of own goals has occurred. It’s as if they figured out how to manipulate the public back in ’08 without ever understanding who the public really is, like observing an alien civilization without comprehension. Now they have to be smarter but they just don’t have it in them.

    They’ve done so poorly that some of their former slavish supporters in the media and entertainment industries are starting to distance themselves and make skeptical noises, looking ahead and hedging their bets against a humiliating landslide defeat.

    Really bad field of R candidates this time around. Romney is not at all what I wanted, not at all, but we have to work with what we’ve got. Hold his feet to the fire. Try to influence him to be a better bad President. If he’s going to pander, I want him to at least pander to me a little.

    Romney should quit apologizing and give all the absurd accusations and guilt by association the back of his hand. Apologizing never did any good, it’s not what people want, and anyway it is way out of date: it fails to incorporate the growing reality that the Democrats are actually defeating themselves.

    Bad things are going to happen in the next several months. It’s all slipping thorugh the Dems fingers just as they were so close to cementing their progressive police state into place forever. Yeah, some people say Romney is himself a statist will allow the same process to occur a little more slowly; I don’t know about that, and he’s all we’ve got. The Democratic Party is going to reach the “naked running through the woods” level of desperate craziness this year, all right. Unfortunately, unlike the events near the Peace River that you describe, they actually can reach the rifles and have shown they are quite willing to use them on us.

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    Satin Doll

    An aquaintance who works with people who are narcissists has flatly stated that BHO2 is a malignant narcissist. Malignant narcissists, according to her, do not deal well with reality – period. When it finally hits them, they become violent and extremely destructive.

    In this case I would expect there to be lots of casualties, mostly innocent people.

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    John Cooper

    What a tale, Skook! Once again I thank you for sharing your stories with us.

    It’s becoming clear that Obama intends to start a war in the Middle East to get his mojo back.

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    Skook, Mr Bigs are not only in hunting camps. I saw them in Iraq. They could be tolorated if they would not endanger others. You never have confidence that Mr Big has your back in a combat zone! Another good story!

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    “A neurotic Narcissist will become desperate as the false image that has been created, begins to crumble away, thus at a certain point the Narcissistic neurosis becomes a malignant psychosis.”
    Truer words have not been spoken, it might even be a prediction of things to come.

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    Common Sense

    This was a terrific article!! Sometimes though I find it interesting that it takes so much writing, thought, and intellectual input to define the obvious. 0-bama has failed our economy and ultimately a failed President. None the less, I admire those who have the skills to make such a presentation and this approach is needed. Liberals and Moderates who need to validate or confirm the fact that they made an error in choosing 0-bama need this input. Well done!!

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    I can’t read your hunting stories fast enough Shookum, another great one.

    I have long said that there is going to be a very public meltdown by Obama-it’s really the most fitting end he can suffer.

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    another vet


    Good post. Here is an article that appeared in RCP today that fits right in with this thread. The more he talks and acts, the more he gives the impression that there is either something wrong upstairs or that he is a devious, malicious person who will say or do anything in order to get what he wants. Him and Tricky Dick have a lot in common. The difference is, one was a pretty successful President despite his issues and the other is not.


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    Another Vet, that is an important link that helps to confirm the fact that we elected a fraud or a conman to the presidency. It wouldn’t have been possible without a compliant media and we still wouldn’t be learning the truth at this late stage without the internet.

    This country is plagued with a malignancy of Leftist control and if we are careful we can begin to reverse the problem in November. We might be a small voice but among hundreds or thousands of others like FA, we can see past the lies and incompetency of our government and our media outlets. If we can reverse the loss of freedom, I think the country has been in more peril these past four years than at anytime since the Civil War, and yes, I am including the wars since WW 1 and up to the Cold War.

    There are those who want to steal the country and its wealth, they want to control us and our dynamic vitality for wealth creation: this is the motivation behind the Far Left and their Propaganda Bureaus we so benignly call the Main Stream Media.

    We are no where near victory. We must vow to not only rid ourselves of the statists, but we must weed out the RINOs of the Republican Party, our only viable vehicle at this time.

    There were times when I thought it would be impossible to expose the fraud and corruption to the majority of American people, but I can sense the smell of victory and of overcoming these statists, anarchists, and Marxists who seek to destroy us.

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    another vet

    @Skook: Getting factual information out there that is untainted by the propaganda machine is probably the driving force behind wanting to regulate talk radio and the Internet. We are indeed approaching the crossroads of what type of country we want to be- one envisioned by our Founders or that of what is envisioned by those who believe the Constitution is something that belongs in the aisle with the toilet paper because it restricts their abilities to impose their beliefs on the rest of us through the power of the federal government.

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    Nan G

    @another vet:
    I used to know a guy who escaped the USSR back in the 1960’s.
    He told me how they were able to spread information despite a completely controlled legal media and no internet – yet.
    They used to begin a conversation about a Pravda news article (the official party line) then they would veer into what was actually known about it.
    They had private networks of people who they trusted.
    They had people in defense, in research, in medicine, in news gathering and even in the military.
    They kept nothing in writing.
    They did it all through spoken word, usually face-to-face while in long lines waiting to buy food…..one person would hold a pair’s place while the pair would go off a few steps to speak in low tones.
    Believe it or not, this worked great.
    Hundreds of thousands of people, unknown to one another were kept in the loop until the Union finally fell.
    Too bad the Russian mafia was so ready to fill the vacuum.

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    Larry Uloth

    @<a href="http://floppingaces.net/2012/05/04/when-a-narcissist-falls-apart/comment-page-1/#co@Skook:
    Highly intelligent insight Skook. I also have been fearful of being able to turn the clock back in a forward way. That said ; Goochland cty in VA had similar issues. The supervisors had been in place for 30+ years were mostly democrats and the same for the school board. Then came our wily TeaParty..and coupled with some courages candidates and a ton of hard work , We replaced all of the supervisors and school board…..what a seachange its been 6 months and already things are really looking up…changes making nepotism disappear…so it can be done…at the local , sstate and national level. It will be very nasty..I told the wife 2 years ago that we would see riots in the streets, along with some blood…and we see it starting in the larger cities. But if we keep ourselves and weapons cocked and locked we will come through, at the age of 71 I may not see the complete turnaround (time of 5-10 years) but I will have been in at the beginning and maybe my kids will reap the benefits. There is so much to do, Schools will take a generation to replace the professors from the 1960’s…to fully change the congress will take at least 10 years…of course the President is at the heart of it…we need to replace probably 50% of the courts…one of the best things we have going is the down sizing of the military…we will have an influx of men and women who will stand and deliver without backing down. Anyway nice talking to ya….Virginia says Hi

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    Larry Uloth, I am only a few years younger than you and I expect it will take at least a generation of cultivation to weed out the subversives, Useful Idiots, and witless stooges from our government agencies. But there are millions like us who read, analyze, and see through the lies and deceptions. From their mid-twenties to well past retirement age, they are a vibrant voice for freedom, and yes, when our vets are unceremoniously dumped by Obama into the ash heap, not to be given the opportunity of a career in the military they may love, we will have millions more that are young and strong.

    It is up to all of us to keep this momentum and offer hope to those who are disillusioned with the hypocrisy and lies. Like our early minute men and patriots we must persevere not to let this concept of freedom die; for without the US, the few countries who emulate our freedom, like Canada and a few others, will be ground into oblivion by the iron heel of the Leftists and their dreams of control and rule by the Orwellian Elites.

    It is the Constitution that has guided us and the world: it is the Leftists and their dreams of revolution and control that want to topple this beacon of freedom to the world. Yes, you and I won’t live long enough to see the complete transformation, but we will damn sure live long enough to see victory on the horizon.

    Thanks to all of you for your kind words of encouragement. Long Live The Republic.

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    @John Cooper: John: He will start a war to enable the Executive Order for Martial Law. When he gets close to loosing it, stand by for a “Coup” type power grab. Best estimate would be mid-October to derail the elections. This will be ugly!!

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    “. . . a neurotic Narcissist will become desperate as the false image that has been created, begins to crumble away, thus at a certain point the Narcissistic neurosis becomes a malignant psychosis.”

    Owebama’s a sociopathic narcissist who also happens to be a racist, so I think that changes the dynamic a bit. (He lies about racial events that did not take place in his life to prove an ideological point that is the purpose of his fauxbiography, that is, he’s using his life non-experiences to ‘speak truth to power’ in a ‘fake but accurate’ NYTimes Fictional Bestseller List sort of way.)

    I think Owebama’s already quite malignant, in more ways than one. He’s a cancer in his own right who has thrown two cancerous cells onto the Supreme Court, among his cancerous spree. Having a race-baiting thug like Eric The Red Holder running the Dept. of Social Justice is another reflection of Owebama’s cancer and its ripple effect on the body politic. And lest we forget Owebama’s props to #OccupySesameStreet, among prominent Dhims. He’s working on creating that crisis that will be just too good to waste. Because that’s the ultimate progressive goal, to create a crisis that requires the government to intervene and sell us Free Men and Women down the river to serfdom. That’s the Truth Owebama believes in and that’s a Truth where the end justifies his means, even having Bill Ayers write fictional stories in Owebama’s autobiography. (Just saying that last bit makes my head hurt!) Or even having our government run guns into Mexico in order to take away our 2nd Amendment rights. Owebama’s been vetted? Not by a long shot.

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    Nan G

    Obama the narcissist is falling apart.
    Last week he had Bill Clinton say, “Suppose the navy Seals had gone in there and it hadn’t been Bin Laden. Suppose they’d been captured or killed. The downside would have been horrible for him….”

    This weekend two highly positioned men have come forward with how hard Obama had tried to protect himself from that damage:
    1. Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey:
    Obama Administration Drafted Memo to Blame Military if OBL Mission Failed
    “That was a highly lawyered memo (designed to protect the president politically)… I think there’s going to be more that’s going to be tumbling out about that escapade but so far that memo is enough.“
    See also

    2. Former Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, General Jack Keane (Retired) :
    Obama Knew About OBL’s Hideout in Abbottabad Since Summer of 2010 – Refused to Act Until May
    Barack Obama knew about Osama Bin Laden’s hideout since the summer of 2010. But Barack Obama refused to act for several months. He wanted absolute proof first that Osama was living there. It wasn’t until May of 2011 that he agreed to attack Bin Laden’s compound, almost a year later.
    Video here:

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    Erin Ahmed


    Agree 100% with you, the war Obama starts won’t be in the Middle East, it will be right here at home. He’s already put everything in place. I just read an article yesterday that the DHS is preparing for Civil War. And a friend of mine in the DOJ sent me an email this morning about the very same thing. A private investigator who has a confidential contact in the DHS shared the notes he took from his meeting with his contact. I will post them here for you all to read:

    1ST PAGE
    Civil war is coming to the US, and there’s no stopping it.
    DHS prepping for economic collapse and money will be worthless.
    Never seen it this bad; everyone is talking about what they personally will do.
    DHS brass don’t care and are conducting overt actions in plain sight. Most incoming troops are not for training (some are) but as part of a larger force.
    All know BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) is constitutionally illegitimate.
    All in Congress know this, and their families are being threatened to keep them quiet.
    High level News Corp. people talked to the highest at DHS and TSA. The plan is to get people conditioned to seeing troops, paramilitary – get them conditioned to being searched.
    Dollar will collapse – that will be the bigger event. The trigger event starts in Europe and then heads here. When we see that – start counting because we have only days left.
    Bernanke / Geitner / top level bankers will be in hiding.
    Election year – watch BHO’s body language. Does he look afraid of not getting elected? “(expletive deleted)! Wake up.”
    2ND PAGE
    Then race riots, class riots.
    Farrakhan is on DIA payroll and he will help start these riots.
    Then Civil War, not sporadic riots and uprisings here and there.
    There will be no food – no ETMs – no gas.
    People will RUN to camps for assistance.
    Guns must be abandoned and left with police in order to get food.
    BHO & Bernanke are behind every stupid economic move.
    Something with China troops here, but China debt to be called in – 5.5 trillion total.
    Rosebud: How easy will it be to quell 300+ million people?
    No, the question is: How easy will it be to quell 300+ million STARVING people who are unprepared?
    Shoot to kill orders during collapse will be given to the police.
    End of meeting
    More later. Said next meeting 5 May (Sat.) outside of DC. Call Sunday.

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    While the Narcissist In Chief goes around spiking the football over the death of ObL, he makes agreements that will prevent the killing or capture of any other important AQ leaders, leaders like Ayman al Zawahiri, ObL’s second in command, and thought by many to be the real “brains” behind AQ whereas ObL was simply the “bag man” of the operation, as well as being the titular “religious” leader of AQ.

    “President Barack Obama has promised not to attack Pakistan-based al-Qaida leaders or fighters from bases inside Afghanistan.

    The surprising commitment effectively bars Obama and his successors from launching another nighttime raid like the one that killed Osama bin Laden.

    Obama’s commitment will also end the use of secretive drone-attacks from Afghanistan. Those attacks have killed hundreds of al-Qaida leaders since the mid-2000s.

    The unadvertised provision is buried in the deal that Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Obama signed with much campaign-style fanfare May 1 in Kabul. It could provide a legal shield for Pakistani-based al-Qaida’s leaders, front line fighters, terrorism-planners, allied terror-leaders, funders, terror bases and terror training-grounds.

    Some U.S. officials —but not the U.S. government—say Pakistani government agencies fund, train and protect several militant Islamic extremist groups in Pakistan. For example, U.S. prosecutors say the November 2011 attacks on a hotel and Jewish center in Mumbai, India, were prepared and directed from Pakistan. That attack killed 164 people.”


    IOW, Obama has now basically eliminated any possibility that Karzai will have to work with the U.S. in the war against Islamic terror. As Obama continues to pour millions into the corrupt government of Pakistan, terrorists will have free run with no worries as to getting a Hellfire shoved up their arses and not only has Obama caved to the demands of Karzai, he has hobbled any chances that a future CIC could go after the bad guys who are based in Pakistan, bad guys like Ayman al Zawahiri who is now head of al Qaida. Obama has basically signed a “safe harbor for terrorists” with Pakistan.

    It makes not one damn difference how stong our military is if they are not allowed to go after the bad guys because Obama is trying to win friends and influence enemies in Pakistan.

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    Skook… Are you implying that we will see Obama do a strip tease al Gypsy Rose Lee?

    Oops, just dodged a shoe… Wow… There goes a sock….

  20. 23

    Satin Doll

    @Erin Ahmed: Your posting is in agreement with published articles I’ve read in the past 2 – 3 weeks.

    Our economy will tank when Europe falls into the abyss. Will our economy collapse? Most likely. When it does collapse BHO2 will, if chaos ensues, have good reason to declare Martial Law.

    It will be under the aegis of Martial Law that DHS will begin hunting down conservatives and/or critics of BHO2 for elimination.

    At that point a civil war seems assured.

  21. 24

    Nan G

    Obama’s 2012 campaign managers may have violated employment law by hiring an overwhelmingly white office staff for his campaign headquarters in Chicago
    That skewed workforce is starkly visible in an April photo released by Obama’s Chicago office, which shows roughly 100 of the office’s staff.

    Only two of the people in the photo, far in the back, are clearly African-American, far below their 13 percent of the national population, and their 33-percent representation in Chicago.

    “The workforce is overwhelmingly made up of young white males [and is] a demographic profile that could raise red flags under both Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Age Discrimination in Employment Act,” said Charles Shanor, a law professor at Emory University and the former general counsel at the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission.

    Page one of a three page story shows the photo of the staff.

  22. 25

    Richard Wheeler

    The fear mongering and vivid imaginations and machinations of the far right as evidenced here is exactly why moderates and indies will re-elect Obama.

    ‘race riots,class warfare,martial law,Conseratives hunted down.”
    “people starving,cops with shoot to kill orders,coups”

    Bunch of Loons

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    Helene, at the risk of seeming overly dense, I just realized the meaning of your post. It is humorous, once you understand it, but the answer is, no. Besides, one of the scenes I don’t want to see, in this life, is Obama doing a Gypsy Rose Lee imitation.

    If Obama has a breakdown it will be far more dramatic and potentially catastrophic. Let’s hope, he just fades unceremoniously into the sunset like the more dignified western actors of history. That would be the best, but I suspect he will be a bitter man for the rest of his life, regardless of the type of demise his political career suffers. It will be difficult to face the truth when his lies begins to unravel.

  24. 28


    Richard Wheeler
    only here you can read about what the LIBERALS DEMS are up to,

  25. 29

    Richard Wheeler

    Bees Actons described are made up B.S FEAR MONGERING from your far right friends.
    Ours is a country of laws.A Democratic Republic with free elections bigger and stronger than any one man or Party. Not to worry so much. We’ll be fine—–Canada???

  26. 30


    Richard Wheeler
    yes, it will be a good change of many offices in NOVEMBER,

  27. 31

    John Cooper

    @Erin Ahmed: When I first read all that, I though it was just another conspiracy theory. Maybe it is, or maybe it isn’t. We know the DHS is purchasing up to 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition. Now this story is circulating: DHS Planning for Civil War

    The Obama administration, including his czars and along with his closets Progressive supporters, are planning a manufactured insurgency against America. He is using the media to his advantage to garner both sympathy and support for his unfinished goals. He is desperately seeking a way to remain in office, even if it means the surreal prospect of an indefinite postponement of elections – if it can be pulled off. So far, he’s got the support of the majority of the DHS “brass” behind him, according to my source.

    “They’re power hungry, and they want to remain in charge,” stated this source.

    The “surreal” aspect of suspended elections won’t look so surreal when you see any or all of the “trigger points” take place in the not-so-distant future.

    “The end-game plan for America is its destruction as a Constitutional Republic, with the assistance of the agencies under the umbrella of the DHS.”

    If you see something, say something…

  28. 32


    Erin Ahmed
    thank you for telling us what you found,
    it’s important for the PATRIOTS TO BECOME ON A READY MODE,
    we the people will have to cooperate like you did with information on any measures

  29. 33

    Erin Ahmed

    I believe (and this is just my personal opinion from all I have seen and read) that this president is so determined to stay in power that he will go to any lengths to secure another term. I am certain that he is manipulating everything to create havoc on a scale we have never seen in this country in order to declare martial law, thus assuring that there will be no election and he will remain in power. But that’s just my opinion, you may want to do some searching for yourself and come to your own conclusions. I am afraid for my country, my family and my friends. I am currently living outside of the US but I was planning to return very soon. Now, I wonder what will be there for me to return to or will I even be able to. I am quite convinced there are very dark days ahead for all of us and I’m at a loss as to what can be done to prevent it. But again… just my opinion.

  30. 34

    Erin Ahmed

    Hi all, well oddly enough, after I received the email that I posted above, I just had this video posted to me on my Facebook wall showing military drills in Miami. It was on channel 7 news. Yes… black helicopters and all, right in plain sight just as the guy’s notes said we would see.

  31. 35


    Erin Ahmed
    thank’s for info, there is a minor error I think,
    I just read that there will be a RUSSIAN PARATROOPERS coming

  32. 36

    Richard Wheeler

    Erin Ahmed Opinions are like a——-. Everyone has one. Suggest you stay where you are.Those black helicopters may be looking for you. Or possibly Ms. Bees.

  33. 37


    Richard Wheeler
    so does it bother you to read ERIN?
    she has a right to say what she want, and you don’t have the right to tell her to leave,
    she has as much right to be here as you do,only CURT HAS THE RIGHT HERE

  34. 38

    Richard Wheeler

    Dear Ms.Bees I was simply agreeing with Erin that wih her fears she’d be best served staying out of the U.S. Have you been hearing any strange overhead whirring sounds?

    BTW. I’m in a great mood. Thanks for asking. BofA one of the [email protected]’s best performers YTD

  35. 40

    Erin Ahmed

    @Richard Wheeler I’m far from a conspiracy theory junkie, but neither do I just discount everything I’m told, especially when I receive it from a contact within the DOJ. When a local TV station then broadcasts military maneuvers exactly as was stated would be happening right out in the open, then I think it’s worth taking note and at the very least asking questions. You can take the information or leave it, I just put it out there for everyone else to form their own opinions and I resent you talking to me like I’m spouting stories about being kidnapped by aliens. I worked in government and law enforcement long enough to know that stuff goes on behind the scenes we never hear about, I still have contacts at the state and federal level and I come from a family of 3 generations of military service so don’t talk down to me like I’m some ignorant storyteller.

  36. 41


    Erin Ahmed
    he’s a hard head lib, he is one of the few MARINE LIB,

  37. 42

    Richard Wheeler

    Erin Sorry, but when you suggest the POTUS is “manipulating everything to create havoc and declare martial law so there will be no election”, you do sound like a late night “west of the rockies” type. Wouldn’t you agree?

    Thanks for your service Semper Fi

  38. 43

    Erin Ahmed

    More writing on the wall…. still wanna tell me I’m crazy? Things are heating up and I’m starting to think everyone in our govt has gone stark, raving mad…


    I don’t know if links post here so here are the first two paragraphs of the article. Just google the title and you’ll get plenty of hits.

    “Obama Threatens 14 US Governors With Immediate Arrest
    Wed May 26 2010 09:59

    A chilling report from the Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) prepared for Prime Minister Putin warns today that United States President Barack Obama has had served on 14 US Governors National Security Letters (NSLs) warning that if their actions in attempting to form what are called State Defense Forces are not halted they will face “immediate” arrest for the crime of treason.

    The use of NSLs in the United States was authorized by the Patriot Act law enacted after the September 11, 2001 attacks and forbids anyone receiving them from even acknowledging their existence, and was reauthorized by Obama’s “rubberstamp” Congress this past February over the objections of both civil and human rights groups who warned they mimic similar type “government security notices” enacted under both the former German Nazi and Soviet Communist regimes.”

  39. 45


    Erin Ahmed
    might be or might not be,
    many things are coming from the left,
    they have their ENEMIES list, and they got one name dirty because he gave to ROMNEY,
    THE DEMOCRATES ARE CORRUPT FOR DOING IT AGREED BY OBAMA,so it would not be surprising to read some of it some other place. but AMERICAN WON’T GO FOR THAT HATE CARD AGAIN,

  40. 46

    Richard Wheeler

    Bees Leave it to you to believe it’s true even when Erin tells you it’s “a crock of B.S.”
    Are you really THAT STUPID? Or just totally close minded.

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    I am a little late to the party here, but I wanted to comment on your statement “I expect it will take at least a generation of cultivation to weed out the subversives, Useful Idiots, and witless stooges from our government agencies”. Rooting out the weeds from the government agencies may take a while as you stated, but ultimately that won’t matter. The government has finally run out of other people’s money. When their funding runs out, the government agencies become more and more irrelevent. It is for the rest of us to build the alternative organizations needed to do the needful work in society when the social-welfare state breaks down. People are just a little irritated at the inefficiency of the DMV becaue normal folks only have to rely on their services a few times in our lives. Most of the time we just go about our business without need or concern for the DMV. As the government shrinks due to lack of funds, their inefficient organizations will become equally irrelevent to our dailyu lives. Whether subversives and stooges man the withered government agencies or not won’t mean much to the rest of us as we go about building a livable society without them.


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