Democrats always attack, decimate, reduce, belittle, disarm, and de-fund the military.
Here is some more of the Democrat party putting down the military and making them pay taking their pay.
The United States military forces were greatly reduced by the Democrats after World War I in the years before the December 07, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor. At that time our military had been reduced to a very dangerously low level. We had to pay dearly for that foolishness.
Such are the Democrats and their complete denial and ignorance of history.
The Democrats have always despised the American military, who maintains the freedom of the United States, so much so that they continuously attack the American military in any way they can, especially financially.
In the sixties the Air Force was paid twice a month, on the fifteenth and the thirtieth. Most military families lived payday to payday because the pay was so poor. They were forced to plan on two week budgets. Then their payday was changed to once a month, to being paid on the last business day of the month. The pay they planned on and needed on the fifteenth of the month did not happen. The total pay for the month was the same but families who planed on their pay every two weeks had to go an extra two weeks to receive that pay. This was extremely hard on those who had to live from payday to payday. For what it maybe worth, most of these families could have qualified for food stamps. In the military you could not even apply for food stamps.
But the government got a two week cash flow benefit.
So our payday became the last business day of the month, we survived and we adjusted.
Another outrage was promotion freezes; I went through several of these during my twenty plus years in the USAF.
Then there were the years of the pay freezes, no Cost Of Living Allowances (COLA, which was supposed to keep up with inflation).
There were years of reductions in forces, material, weapons, R&D, bases being closed, medical care (promised but not delivered).
There are many more.
Then the payday was changed again to the first business day of the month instead of the last business day of the month. Only a day or two change, but that had an effect on the government’s cash flow. Ours as well but we did not count, again we adjusted.
Here is the latest rip off (no other words apply).
The once a month pay that was paid on the first business day of the month was changed again.
December 2011, the payday was changed, this time the rule was that if the first of the month is a holiday or a weekend the payday would be the last business day of the preceding month.
Only a day or two you say?
Here is what a difference a day or two can make.
The kicker: January the first is always a holiday, therefore the January 2012 pay was moved to December 31, 2011.
The INTENDED consequences were that I and all other retired and active duty military personnel in all branches of military service would be taxed on thirteen months of pay (the thirteenth month was the January 02, 2012 pay that was received on December 31, 2011 and accounted as 2011 pay).
Count the days.
This increased my taxable income enough that part of my Social Security became taxable.
Wait!….What?
In case you did not know, Social Security IS taxable. Now you know about another democrat party lie.
To continue: this shifting of income from 2012 to 2011 put me in higher tax brackets. It also made part of my Social Security taxable which bumped me into yet another higher tax bracket.
The end result was an additional $251.00 in income taxes. This was effectively a reduction in pay of $251.00 for that “thirteenth month”.
That may not sound like much, but it is more than one month’s basic utilities (gas, water, and electric) for me.
How would you feel about that?
Obama and the democrats have once again given me and every retired and all active duty military personnel in all branches of service, another screwing. We will all have to pay taxes on thirteen months of pay for 2011. Multiply my cost/loss by the total number of retired and active duty military service personnel in all branches of service.
I am not typical; the real amount will be far higher.
That is a huge amount stripped (stolen) from our military and their families.
Once again our United States military pays the cost.
So where will this money go?
Where did the TARP go?
I can not understand how anyone, especially anyone in the military, can vote for Obama or any Democrat or even believe anything the Democrats say.
Well on second thought, maybe I can. I used to associate with people who were: “Blissfully Blind”, “Determinedly Stupid” and “Invincibly Ignorant”. Thankfully I got away from them without being infected.
(I think know they were liberals)
In 2012 I will have to pay taxes on twelve months of pay, the January 2013 pay will be moved to 2012. That is twelve months of pay. That means there is no way I can ever recover from this financial fraud.
This is another story you will never see in the MSM (Marxist, Socialist, Media, also known as the propaganda arm of the Obama administration/Democrat party).
USAF RET MSG Al Cooper
Eisenhower and Nixon cut Military spending after the end of Korea and Vietnam. But that MIC is sooooooooo useful and sooooo honest, it must be the evil kenyan, marxist, socialist, atheist, nazi, commie, who’s to blame.
Wah, wah, wah!
Boeing… One place we know Boeing is definitively not based out off anymore is Wichita, Kansas. On January 4th, Boeing announced it was moving the tanker work out of Kansas to other U.S. plants and closing its Wichita operation next year.
In 2008, Boeing asked Kansas officials to help win a $3.5 billion contract for 18 Air Force tankers. Wichita’s Mayor Carl Brewer says Kansas had a long history of coming through for Boeing. In fact, Axelrod notes that Boeing received 650 tax breaks over the last 30 years and $3.5 billion dollars in bonds.
Boeing would have failed if it had to face the Free Market and only exists today as a Company because of the Trillions of dollars it has received in government assistance.
Of course, when you’re a Corporate Criminal like Boeing getting free money from the government just… isn’t… enough… Boeing, the Corporate Criminals, admitted to stealing $644 Million via fraudulent contracts. That would be called stealing if you the regular person did it but a Corporate person named Boeing gets the nomenclature of fraud.
Boeing is a company who could never succeed except for Billions of tax payer assistance.
@Grung_e_Gene: Amazing how you fail to focus on the article at hand. The blame game continues without any solutions just bitching about the past.
He also cut BAH and other benefits to those utilizing their GI Bill benefits. The military made him look good by taking out OBL and host of others and this is the way he repays them. He wasted no time in taking credit for our military’s successes in GWOT. Apparently he doesn’t feel that those who served their country are worthy like his union buddies that he takes care of (Obamacare waivers). I have been very underwhelmed by the VA since he took office as well. Shinseki is proving to be as good at straightening out the VA as he was at being the Army Chief of Staff.
AL COOPER
thank you , how dare they distress the MILITARY WHO PROTECT THEIR ASS, BY STANDING IN FRONT WHERE THE BLOOD IS SPILL,
and HOW DARE they spend the money on their own failing AGENDA OF GREEN WHICH IS AS SLIMY AS THEY ARE,
THEY WILL GO IN NOVEMBER AND THE WHITE HOUSE WILL BE DECONTAMINATED
TO RID IT ALL FROM THEIR VIRUS OF CORRUPT TO THE CORE THEY WILL LEAVE WITH A KICK IN THE ASS, BY THE MILITARY THEY HAVE ROB, AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE PROSECUTED FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO AMERICA AND HER PROTECTORS, IT WILL BE A FIRST PROSECUTION FOR HAVING DESTROY AMERICA IN 4 YEARS, FOR HAVING IMPOSE SUCH OUTRAGE TO THE PEOPLE,
FOR HAVING TEACH THE YOUNG AMERICANS TO HATE EACH OTHER AND HURT EACH OTHER,
THEY WON’T BE ABLE TO HIDE FROM THE ANGRY PEOPLE,
another vet
The list of offences is very very long.
It appears you have been there.
Thank you for your service.
I know that sounds trite, but I mean it.
BEES !
Always good to hear from you!
Thank you for your comment!
Grung_E_Gene
hi,
you know, it might be the UNIONS BEHIND ALL THEIR DECISIONS,
THE UNIONS AND OBAMA TRIED TO GET IN, AND WHERE NOT WELCOME,
BUT BROUGHT ALL KINDS OF MISERY AND PRESSURE THUG WAR TO GET IN,
AND IT LOOK LIKE THEIR PUBLICITY AGAINST BOEING WORKED.
IT DID WITH YOU.
BYE
That Boeing steal Hundreds of Millions of dollars and you conservatives create a false attack on Obama makes Veterans everywhere sad. But, as the Military-Industrial-Complex has you by the testes just keep you bigoted blinders on and keep chugging that War juice.
Ooh-Rah!
He never served his Country. He has never been in a firefight. He had never landed on a hot L.Z. He has never missed the flag. He has yet to meet his god? He is a muslim terrorist. Clinton was a whore dog – decapitated the military. The slut wife has decapitated foreign policy for the next 20 years in this country. But what do you expect from garbage….garbage.
@Al Cooper: Thanks for your service as well. People need to be educated as to what he has done and what he has tried to do to the Vets and those serving. A lot people are unaware of it.
@Grung_e_Gene: Normally I don’t respond to comments like this, but here it goes. What exactly are we making up in our accusations? I’ve personally experienced his cuts in GI Bill benefits as have a number of other Vets I know. Now are you calling me a liar or trying to insinuate that I don’t know what I’m talking about? Perhaps you can enlighten us as to your personal experiences that would support your claims. By the way, I’ve served with a number of minorities and my best friend happens to be black. So much for your tired bigot claim.
@another vet: As a Corpsman during Viet Nam I sadly saw many a good man die in action only to be confronted by idiots like this when they came home. Makes me sick. Thanks for your service!!
Ask President Bush he’d signed it into Law!
Veterans benefits are hurtful to national defense: “The amounts have gotten to the point where they are hurtful. They are taking away from the nation’s ability to defend itself,” says David S. Chu, the Pentagon’s undersecretary for personnel and readiness, under President Bush 2005.
And when Veterans groups got together and sue for better health, the Bush Regime fights to have the case dismissed.
Or how Faux News constantly undercut Veterans while President Bush was in office to help the Bush/Cheney Presidency get away with screwing Veterans over, To Bill, Veterans are homeless because they don’t “work hard and keep it honest” like Bill.
But, hey facts tend to destroy your bogus attacks on President Obama…
@Grung_e_Gene:
Didn’t Boeing try to SAVE money by moving part of their manufacturing out of a union shop and over to a state where the workers have right to work laws?
Boeing did.
Obama has tried to prevent this.
That’s why Boeing is costing more than it would have had to.
Boeing is trying to SAVE money.
Grung_e_Gene
who is in office now? forget the “it’s BUSH FAULT” IT IS WORN OUT, THEY USE IT TO GET IN, NOW THEY ARE USING IT TO KEEP THEIR SEAT,
WHO JUST FINISH CUTTING THE MILITARY TO THE BONES, AND WHILE IN WAR TIME,
OUTRAGOUS IS IN IT ? THEY ARE TRYING
TO BREAK THE MORAL OF THE TROOPS, AND SUCCEEDING,
THIS IS TO VISIBLE FOR NOT NOTICING, THEY HATE WHAT THIS COUNTRY REPRESENT,
THEY ARE NOT FROM AMERICA, THEY ARE AGAINST AMERICA,
@Grung_e_Gene: I served under every president from Carter to Obama. Bush was 10 times the Commander-in-Chief Obama is or will ever hope to be. Amongst other things, Bush signed into the law the post 9-11 GI Bill, another law that allowed returning Reserve Component members who couldn’t find work after redeployment back home to collect unemployment and health care benefits, and he also gave the military good pay raises as opposed to the crap they’ve gotten. He also didn’t try jacking up the cost of their health care either. Sorry, the left wing talking points don’t cut it with those of us who walked the walk. We know who took care of us and respected us and who didn’t. Perhaps you can enlighten us to your personal experiences serving under both presidents. While you are at it, you can elaborate on your accusation that we are bigots. Point out exactly where anyone here attacked Obama’s race. You also still haven’t refuted anything that was said here in reference to Obama going after Veteran’s benefits or anything in Al’s original post.
@Common Sense: Some things never change. You are probably saying, “Been there, done that!”
Mr Cooper,
I appreciate your angst if you feel you’re getting a raw deal. I haven’t delved deeply enough into the budget to know what total defense dollars flow into your pocket, and the pockets of other services members, as opposed to other programs, but I have to question your assertion that ,”Democrats always attack, decimate, reduce, belittle, disarm, and de-fund the military”. At least as far as Obama is concerned, that’s simply not true. This is from Freedom Works, not exactly a paragon of the Left:
President Obama is Not Actually Cutting Military Spending, But He Should
another vet
hi,
for the 3rd time today, I notice some weird facts
in principal the PRESIDENT IS SUPPOSE TO BE PROTECTING THE PEOPLE,
is in it right? well
today I notice three different persons reconstructing
OBAMA MISS SENTENCES, to a more logical fix to make it right
to cover his errors, they feel they where protecting OBAMA BY CHANGING HIS WORDS
BY THEIR OWN, THAT IS INCREDIBLE TO BE MADE AWARE OF IT,
MEANING HE CANNOT DO A GOOD JOB UNLESS SOMEONE HAS TO CHANGE HIS WORDS
AND ALWAYS CHECK ON HIM TO BE ABLE TO COVER UP,
IS THIS NORMAL? IT SOUND DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA,
DID YOU EVER NOTICE IT FROM ANOTHER PRESIDENT? WHICH IS UNABLE TO SAVE MONEY, UNABLE TO RESTRAIN FROM OVER SPENDING THE PEOPLE’S MONEY, UNABLE TO FOLLOW ON HIS SPEECHS WITH ACTIONS NEEDED, NOT ANYTHING ELSE BUT, HE MAKE DEALS WITH THE NORTH, BACK UP AND CANCEL IT
AND SIGN SAME DEAL WITH THE SOUTH FOR OIL, THAT IS WEIRD
BYE
another vet
did I mentioned 3 of them?
well here is another one,
watch him change the rhetoric,
bye
@ilovebeeswarzone: He has had a bad a two weeks and may be showing the stresses of the job. Someone wrote an editorial that addresses in part what you said.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2012/04/two-terrible-weeks-obama/461571
another vet
I like the author for other bright columns,
this one reenforce my thoughts from observing these thing going on,
thank you for the link
bye
oh by the way, TOM doesn’t know it yet, but OBAMA already cut of what TOM is talking about, and want to cut more,
A long time ago I read that a Federal politician’s pension goes up 4% for every 3% rise in inflation. They actually make money on inflation. Is this still true? Another example of the politician’s “Me first” attitude!
My son will have been in the Air Force for 18 years next month. I have said for some time that the Federal government should be funded by the numbers. Each agency, department, committee, etc., would be given a number rating and funded by those numbers. The military would be #1, and the only #1. Even the democrats have to realize that without a strong military, they won’t have a country to complain about.
Smorgasbord
hi,
yes, that is the GOVERNMENT SHOULD LEAD BY EXAMPLE,
if there is cutting it should be on them first and as much as it need, UNTIL IT HURT,
THEN
THE PEOPLE won’t be needing imposition of other tax if they see that,
they will participate willingly as a FREE PEOPLE SHOULD BE LEFT TO DECIDE,
AND THIS AMERICA HAVE THE MOST TOLERANT PEOPLE,
AND THE MOST WHO SPILL THEIR BLOOD FOR OTHER, OF THE WORLD AND THE MOST CARING AND THE MOST HELPING OTHER COUNTRIES, IF ANYONE DOUBT IT, THEY JUST HAVE TO READ HISTORY, THEY JUST HAVE TO READ ON THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN, AND SEE HOW THEY FIGHT THE ENEMIES WHILE PROTECTING THE CITIZENS, AND PUTTING OUR MILITARY IN DANGER WHILE DOING IT, A VERY EASY TO ACKNOWLEDGE, BY SO MANY WHO DIED AND OTHER BEING INJURED BECAUSE OF IT, THE AFGHANS SHOULD HELP AND THANK THE WARRIORS FOR THAT ACCOMPLISHMENT, AND RIGHT NOW IT LOOK LIKE THE AFGHANS DO NOT DESERVE WHAT IS BEING DONE TO SAVE THEM,
THEY WOULD HAVE HAD MAYBE A BETTER TASTE OF THE WAR, IF THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BOMB FROM HEAVEN FOR HELPING THE ENEMIES, EACH TIME THEY DID PARTICIPATED TO KILL OUR OWN BRAVES, AND KARSEI WOULD HAVE BEEN SILENCE FOR HIS
INSULTS TOWARD THE AMERICANS, WHEN HIS MOB SHOWED UP,
@ another vet, perhaps, you misunderstand, but bigotry does not refer to just race. That would be “racism”, the bigotry on this site is against “liberals”. Ooooooh liberals those evil America haters! To wit:
But, hey don’ let your love of your side blind you to the facts that Bush undercut Veterans at every opportunity, Bush used Soldiers as props for his campaign speeches, Bush used the service members as because eRepublicans don’t think much of Troops other than to use us as tokens on a giant Risk board.
But, keep sucking down War is Peace and attacking Obama I’m sure Mitt “2 Harvard Degrees and served in France” Romney and his 5 Sons for Not Fighting are goign to be awesome to you Vets.
Grung_e_Gene
there seem to be a conflict of narratives with you,
where do you get your info, because you are under liberal influence,
you did not get out of it totally, we can tell
another vet
hi,
I was watching a video, of the SCREAMING EAGLES IN NAM,
WOW, THEM BRAVES, ALONG WITH THE OTHER WHO FOUGHT IN THAT HELL TO GIVE FREEDOM TO THE PEOPLE. NO MATTER WHAT ANY FOOL WILL SAY, THEY WON, AND THEY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AS THE BEST OF AMERICA, TOGETHER WITH ALL THOSE WHO SERVED, THEY ARE THE UNIQUE BRAND
WHICH AMERICA CREATED SINCE SHE WAS CREATED
@Grung_e_Gene: When you’ve made sacrifices for your country, come back and talk. There is nothing more to say to you.
another vet,
Okay then!
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And……….
I’m back! Well now that we’ve removed that pathetic card from your right-wing arsenal what’s next?
I’ve included multiple links pointing out the rampant and blatant negligent disregard President George W(orst President in History) Bush and the Republican dominated House and Senate had for Veterans.
The merest mention of Walter Reed… or the Veterans suicides should have you calling for Bush and Cheney to be investigated but your frothing at the mouth hatred of Liberals allows the Republican Chicken Hawk War Mongers to get away with murder. But how about allowing Osama Bin LAden to escape because Bush wasn’t concerned with his capture,
60 Minutes had on the Delta Force Commander Dalton Fury tasked with killing Osama Bin Laden. During the interview, the nome de guerred Fury stated how those above him declined to allow the Operators to enter and execute their mission.
“You go to war with the army you have not the one you may want.” – Donald Rumsfeld
“Nothing is more important in the face of war than tax cuts.” – Tom DeLay
NeoCon Frank Gaffney: “It is regrettable that they had to die, but I believe they did have to die.”
Grung_e_Gene
you got more deaths since 2008 than before, not counting those who shot themselves with desperation,
and no way to fix the problem, but many ways to make it worse as OBAMA did.
you have learn the hate BUSH EVEN WHEN THE DEMOCRATES WHERE A MAJORITY AND WHERE PLANNING TO DEFEAT THE PRESIDENT ON THE COMING ELECTION BY DEMONIZING HIM,
TO A POINT TO SELL THEIR SOUL BY ELECTING A MISFIT UNWORTHY TO BE A PRESIDENT,
AND THE HATE BUSH WAS SOLD TO THE PEOPLE FREE OF CHARGE,AND STILL CONTINUE IN BRAIN LIKE YOUR, UNABLE TO SEE REALITY THAT WHAT YOU HAVE IS NOT THE GOOD STUFF IN THE WHITE HOUSE, NO, IT IS THE WORSE STUFF YOU CAN EVER HAVE TO SINK AMERICA WITH THE HATE CARD ALONE.
@ilovebeeswarzone: #24
Keep in mind that the Afghanistan people are still Muslim, and are taught that anyone who isn’t Muslim are infidels and should be killed. We are still their enemy in their eyes.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Don’t waste your time. He or possibly she, came here looking for an argument and to irritate people. Quite possibly one of those working on the campaign to re-elect Obama. As for his/her last post, remember how Old Trooper who used to post here and was one of the commanders of a Ranger unit who was in Tora Bora at the time as well as Gen Tommy Franks who was the CENTCOM commander at the time, dispelled the notion that we could have gotten OBL at the time and that had we have tried, we would have been repeating the same mistakes the Soviets did and we would have lost a lot of American lives for a mission that probably wouldn’t have succeeded? But when you’re an arm chair general back here on the sidelines, you know a lot more than the folks who were down range risking their lives. But what do they know? They were there.
Grung is just another mentally ill leftist troll. Don’t waste your time.
yes, but I cannot let them leave without using my courteous hospitalty,
bye
another vet,
Nice. I’ll take your and every other attack on me as acknowledgement that you are just partisan right-wingers who have no care for actual veterans and only want to grind out Obama because ***for some reason*** you don’t like him!
cheers enjoy losing in 8 months! Ooh-Rah!
@another vet: #32
This could even be one of the same liberals who has been posting, just signed in under a different name and email.
Smorgasbord
on 31
yes it suppose to be WAR, WHAT DO YOU DO IN A WAR, ? WHY DO YOU GO TO WAR FOR ?
I ALWAYS LEARNED THAT YOU KILL YOUR ENEMIES, ALL OF THEM,
AND COME BACK VICTORIOUS,
THEY CHANGE THE RULES AND THE ROE, AND THEY COME BACK WOUNDED FOR LIFE,
OR THEY DON’T COME BACK, ONLY THE BODY LIFELESS COME BACK.
WRONG WRONG WRONG
another vet
I wonder what happen to OLD TROOPER, HE DISAPPEAR SUDDENLY, I wonder if anyone from his unit could tell
if he is alive or dead, any one from his troops in AFGHANISTAN
he was a COLONEL. SOMEONE SHOULD KNOW SOMETHING
BYE
@Smorgasbord: I think Curt can block them even if they switch user names. Perhaps it’s a friend. Best to ignore. See HR #33.
@ilovebeeswarzone: #37
As I have asked before, “How many innocent civilians is one soldier’s life worth, and how do you tell an innocent civilian from a terrorist?”
@another vet: I usually do ignore the ones who I feel are just trying to stir up something. When I see the same two people commenting to each other, I usually don’t even read them.
@Smorgasbord: This one met all the requirements:
Commented about a subject he/she has ZERO experience in. Check
Played the race card. Check.
Bush hater. Check.
Obama worshipper. Check.
Hurled insults. check.
Played role of victim when confronted. Check.
Score: 100%
Smorgasbord
I would say a civilian who help the taliban which is also a civilien[ by the way]
the helper on any actions is one who have taken a stand, and therefor is ENEMY, IF I can name some actions enemies, that would be, digging the holes for the EIDS, watching the road to signal the attack
from the suicide explosif to trigger,or get his children to hold the bombs before he put it in the ground,
and many more actions to help the ennemies, I remember thisMAN giving the excuse on him having 7 children to feed, and took action to help the TALIBAN for the money he needed,
which way to look at it is he is an enemy.
bye
I just seen a prehistoric shark from JAPAN IN THE BLUE PLANET,
IT MAKE YOU APPRECIATE THE LOCAL SHARK,
I wonder when they separated from the long snake like prehistoric one,
when you see the extreme amount of money the OBAMA paid for the GSA to make
fun of the TAX PAYER MONEY THEY GET, IT TELL YOU ALL OF THE BULLY CLASS
THEY MINGLE WITH, NO WONDER THE WEALTHY ARE REFUSING TO GIVE MORE MONEY,
KEEPING THEIR MONEY FOR A MORE NEXT INTELLIGENT GOVERNMENT WHO WILL KNOW HOW TO SPEND WISELY AND FOR THE REAL NEED, LIKE JOBS, THE ONES NOT IN THEIR
PSYCADELIC MIXED UP MINDS
THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THEM OUGHT TO BE CAREFUL, BECAUSE THEY CAN TRADE THEIR FOCUS ON REALITY WITH THE MONEY GIVEN TO THEM FOR ACTING CRAZY WHICH IS THE FIRST SIGN OF BECOMING CRAZY ENOUGH TO BELIEVE ANY WORDS GIVEN BY A FRAUDULENT SLICK TONGUE.
Oh boo hoo hoo! The poor pitiful conservative dweebs can’t stomach having their delusions about Super Warrior Bush disabused. Go cry to your mothers. Oh wah the evil liberal showed how disgusting and stupid Bush was Oh no we can’t have that. and smorgasbord your checklist is as helpful as a fart in the wind like your commentary.
@another vet: #42
That should be -100%
@ilovebeeswarzone: #43
I agree with everything you said.