Trayvon’s girfriend exonerates Zimmerman [Reader Post]

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And the lynching continues.

First, the claims about the video tape.

What? No bruising visible on the brown man one hour or so after the injury?

Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

Or does it? Here are my screen caps

Zimmerman does indeed exhibit a head wound

One of the officers examines the wound to see if it is still bleeding

Here’s the funniest image. The police put a Caucasian clown nose on Zimmerman. Or maybe it was a dressing.

There is something on Zimmerman’s nose

The police report says that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head. It says his back was wet and covered with grass. There is nothing about “grass stains.”

We can’t see from this video if there is any remaining blood on Zimmerman’s red and black fleece or his dark grey shirt.

Anyone else notice that the “white Hispanic” George Zimmerman is a lot browner than at first believed?

Now consider these headline from Drudge:

HOODIE ON THE HILL…

VIDEO: Dem Rep Kicked Off House Floor…

Ex-Black Panther…

Another Says Trayvon ‘Hunted Down Like Dog’…

Another: ‘Executed For WWB In A GC’…

Maxine Waters Calls Shooting ‘Hate Crime’…

Now just for laughs I’ll throw this one as well

OBAMA CAMPAIGN: Republicans ‘politicizing’ Trayvon Martin death…

“Hunted down” “Executed”

I don’t think so, and Martin’s girlfriend largely exonerates Zimmerman. She told a reporter this:

“Trayvon said what are you following me for?”

“Then the man said ‘what you doing around here?'”

What would you expect a Neighborhood Watch person to ask?

“What are you doing around here?” It’s exactly what you’d expect him to ask.

Then she asserts that Trayvon is pushed, but there is no evidence to prove that, and it is highly unlikely Zimmerman pushed Martin.

The thing is, they had a conversation. Zimmerman did ask Martin why he was there. Ask yourself- if you ask someone why they’re following you and that person asks you what you’re doing around here, how would you respond? I might be tempted to ask “What’s it to you?” and I would expect Zimmerman to respond that he was part of the Neighborhood Watch. Then I would expect Martin to say that he was headed to his girlfriend’s house. Then I might ask “Where does she live?” and he could have told him in which building she lived. And that should have ended it.

But it didn’t go that way.

Someone did push someone else. But who? Let’s look at this reasonably. If Zimmerman was “hunting down” Martin he would simply have shot him instead of engaging him in a conversation. If he meant to “execute” him he could easily have done just that. If you’re “hunting” someone, your gun is drawn. Do you agree to meet with the cops and then go hunting for Martin? Is it common to have a conversation with your prey before you shoot? Are you kidding me?

They had a conversation instead.

What Martin’s girlfriend didn’t say is also extremely important. Mega-important.

She doesn’t mention a gun. Martin saw no gun. That means Zimmerman had not drawn the weapon when he met with Martin. The weapon was fired once but the magazine was full. Something interfered with the cycling, like perhaps a struggle. It’s reported that Zimmerman has claimed that Martin tried to take Zimmerman’s gun.

Given the police report indicating that Zimmerman had grass on his back it’s more the likely Zimmerman was the one who got pushed, and then jumped and pounded by Martin. The eyewitnesses corroborate Martin being on top of Zimmerman, beating him. I think shooting Martin was absolutely the last thing Zimmerman wanted to do.

We’ve learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse case. Lynch on.

DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education. DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed. Except for liberals being foolish.

209 Responses to “Trayvon’s girfriend exonerates Zimmerman [Reader Post]”

  1. 101

    Mike O’Malley

    @Juju:

    Who pushed who? look at their history. Zimmerman attended anger management courses because he “pushed a cop” who had arrested his friend. And from these so called “injuries” it looks like it was Zimmerman’s ego that Martin bruised the most.
    [juju said]

    emphasis added by me

    OK Mr. Juju, tell me why did you not look at ‘their’history, both Zimmerman’s and Martin’s? You neglected to address Mr. Martin’s history. Why?. Mr. Zimmerman took an anger management class, one wishes not to speak ill of the dead, but Mr. Martin was also in need of an anger management class at the minimum. Instead Mr. Martin was skulking about after dark apparently without adult supervision; and Mr. Martin was continuing to make poor choices..

    Trayvon Martin was a troubled young man from a broken family. He was doing drugs, maybe just pot, but maybe harder drugs. Trayvon Martin had multiple school suspensions and on one occasion he was found to be in possession of stolen goods along with a burglary tool. One of Trayvon Martin’s friends indicated the Mr. Martin threw a punch at a bus driver days before his school suspension..

    Trayvon Martin was in the neighborhood because he was staying with his father’s girl friend during a long school suspension. One would like to think that Trayvon Martin’s dad or dad’s girl friend put prudent restrictions on Trayvon Martin’s where-abouts? Did they give him a curfew? Did they monitor Teayvon’s where-abouts? Apparently not. Did they explain to Trayvon that he was in a good neighborhood and that he would need to behave and be respectful of their neighbors? Did they explain to Trayvon that some of their neighbors ran a neighborhood watch? Given Trayvon Martin’s history of making poor choices did Trayvon’s dad set reasonable limits for Trayvon while he was staying away from home? It appears not.

    Moreover one might expect that Messrs Martin and Zimmerman to have engaged in an escalating exchange before the gun shot. Let’s review how that worked out.

    Martin unnecessarily came out of hiding and confronted Mr. Zimmerman. This seems to me to be a bad choice. Having evaded the watchman the smart thing to do would have be to go home and seek help and advice from his dad about the ‘apparent’ stalker. Dad’s girlfreind, a neighborhood resident, would have done well then to have called the neighborhood watch for help.

    So Mr. Martin approaches Zimmerman from behind and unnecessarily confronts Mr. Zimmerman. Is Mr. Martin acting out for the dramatic benefit of his girl friend who is on the phone?

    Let’s review the girl friend’s account.

    Initiation:
    ““Trayvon said what are you following me for?”

    response:
    “Then the man (Zimmerman) said ‘what you doing around here?’”

    counter reponse:
    What came next? It was Mr. Martin’s turn to respond and his girl friend reports that the exchange became physical, violent, at the very moment one would expect Mr. Martin to reply to Mr. Zimmerman.

    Of course Mr. Martin could have already aggressively got in Mr. Zimmerman’s space or face. Zimmerman might have pushed Martin away from his conceal gun and Martin’s response could have been to deck Zimmerman.

    More likely it seems to me that Trayvon’s girlfriend’s tale allows for Martin to have come out swinging in response to Mr. Zimmerman reasonable question and to have decked Zimmerman without due provocation.

    Clearly Mr. Martin made one bad choice after another. Perhaps Mr. Zimmerman ran afoul of the law. Perhaps not, but if the night watchman ‘s behavior justified Mr. Martin’s concern as he walked home he should have gone home and enlisted his father’s advice and help before confronting Mr. Zimmerman.

  2. 102

    drjohn

    @Aye:

    Q. Why was George Zimmerman was not arrested the night of the shooting?

    A. When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self-defense, which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was prohibited from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time.

    Additionally, when any police officer makes an arrest for any reason, the officer must swear and affirm that he/she is making the arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in bad faith, the officer and the city may be held liable.

    According to Florida Statute 776.032 :

    Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.— 776.032

    A person who uses force as permitted in s. (1) 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

    A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. (2)

    Q. Why did Mr. Zimmerman have a firearm in his possession while acting in the role of a neighborhood watch member?

    A. Mr. Zimmerman holds a concealed weapon permit issued from the State of Florida. He is authorized to carry the weapon in a concealed manner wherever Florida Statute dictates.

    Neighborhood Watch programs are designed for members of a neighborhood to be “eyes and ears” for police and to watch out for their neighbors. They are not members of the police department nor are they vigilantes.

    Training provided by law enforcement agencies to Neighborhood Watch organizations stresses non-contact surveillance of suspicious situations, and notifying police of those situations so that law enforcement can respond and take control of the situation.

    Mr. Zimmerman was not acting outside the legal boundaries of Florida Statute by carrying his weapon when this incident occurred. He was in fact on a personal errand in his vehicle when he observed Mr. Martin in the community and called the Sanford Police Department.

    Q. If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this investigation?

    A. Yes it will. However, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman, “Are you following him?” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.” The call taker stated, “You don’t need to do that.” The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow.

    Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

    http://mysanfordherald.com/view/full_story/17920337/article-Chief-Bill-Lee-answers-questions-about-investigation-into-shooting-of-17-year-old-Trayvon-Martin?

  3. 103

    drjohn

    @Mike O’Malley:

    Zimmerman lost sight of Martin and for another 1 1/2 minutes spoke with the police. Zimmerman was clearly not running during that time. One has to wonder how Zimmerman could possibly catch Martin, who had the head start, even if both were walking briskly.

  4. 104

    drjohn

    @Blast:

    I figured that FA would have someone who would post on this issue, and it makes sense it is DrJohn. Seems he has a fetish for this topic with all of his posts.

    “Fetish.” That’s nasty.

    As you can see, no one else has any interest in this topic other than me.

  5. 105

    Mike O’Malley

    @drjohn:
    Several things trouble about his topic:

    1) the lynch mob rush to accusation
    2) the lynch mob rush to judgment
    3) the lynch mob rush to racialist vigilante ‘justice’
    4) the hate filled scapegoating of George Zimmerman (Nonetheless Zimmerman may have broken the law or have used poor judgment. We don’t know yet.)
    5) the misuse of this tragedy for crass political and financial gain,
    6) the disreputable reporting by MSM,
    7) the demagoguery and involvement of MSNBC commentator and former Democratic National Convention keynote speaker Al Sharpton. He has gotten almost a dozen people killed doing this sort of thing in the past.

  6. 106

    ilovebeeswarzone

    oblowhole must go
    hi, and OBAMA never mention his concern about the increase BREAK IN BY THE YOUNG CRIMINALS.
    HE NEVER MENTIONED ABOUT THE BLACK TEACHERS INCITING THE YOUNG BLACKS TO GO AFTER THE FEW WHITES CHILDREN ATTENDING CLASS, BEING INSULTED, AGRESS AND ONE ALMOST LOST HIS LIFE HAVING BEEN SPRAYED WITH GASOLINE ON HIS FACE AND UPPER BODY, BY YOUNG BLACKS SAYING YOU DESERVE IT, THE YOUNG BOY WAS VERY SMART TO REACT AT ONCE AND PULL HIS COAT OVER HIS FACE TO PUT OUT THE FIRE, WAS THAT A HATE CRIME? DAM SURE IT WAS. INCITED BY A TEACHER, BECAUSE AS SHE SAID ONCE TO THE WHITE BOY; YOUR NOT ONE OF US.
    AND OBAMA NEVER MENTIONED IT

  7. 107

    Ivan

    @Aye:

    Ivan, don’t look now but your stoopid is showing. Again.

    You know what I think? I think you should consume fecal matter and expire.

    That is my advice to you, little man.

  8. 108

    Ivan

    Hey…all you anti-Zimmerman losers….get over it…your boy “Martin the moron” is taking a dirt-nap because he was stupid, and breaking the law.

    So, head down to Starbucks and order a nice, hot, cup of shut the phuck up already.

    k?

  9. 110

    Brian

    It is amazing that so many posters on this thread have not availed themselves of the facts reported so far, video and police reports, timelines and the picture that these things provide when pieced together in a narrative fashion based on actuality instead of emotion,prejudice,hyperbole and agenda. If the racism,politics and perverse hate-mongering are set aside you have a criminal assault ended by a legally armed citizen, who on his home ground used lethal force to save himself from injury or death. 90% of the the arguments against GZ are spurious because he was legally armed and within his rights to inquire of TM what his business and presence were in the area and report his suspicious nature to SPD. In a neighborhood where 17 robberies and a shooting had occurred, concealed carry by residents seems to be a logical action. Reporting suspicious behavior likewise. Nobody calls in on someone acting “ordinary”. As stated by myself and others GZ’s pistol was recovered in a condition that could only be explained by action caused by a physical struggle or a squib load which would lack the muzzle velocity to kill. My money is on the struggle. Every passing day has produced details and evidence that reinforce GZ’s statements to LEOs. That the MSM has been caught doctoring 911 audio and video of GZ in the SPD sally port is reinforcement of the weakness of the narrative they would have the public accept. As these pieces come together they will negate the the howling from the race-baiters, liberals and anti -establishment and so-called “civil rights” advocates who would strip GZ’s rights to probable cause, due process and a trial by his peers, by trying GZ in the court of public opinion. Martin’s family lawyers built their business by sensationalizing cases with racial undertones that they capitalize and exploit. While the media,race pimps and people of conscience canonize TM has anyone conjectured that finding himself without adult supervision, in a neighborhood which he would soon be leaving, he just might have been looking for an opportunity to do a little bit of light thievery. That perhaps this behavior is what drew GZ’s attention in the first place. With so many bent on muddying the water one can only wonder.

  10. 111

    Smorgasbord

    @Brian: #10
    You just advanced the ball 20 yards towards your goalposts. First down and 10. This is getting to be a really exciting game to watch from up here. I wish I could afford a corporate box.

  11. 112

    John Cooper

    @Brian: I would have given you ten thumbs up for that post if I could have. Thanks.

    What we’re seeing here is a perfect example of tribalism, as Ayn Rand described it:

    What are the nature and the causes of modern tribalism? Philosophically, tribalism is the product of irrationalism and collectivism. It is a logical consequence of modern philosophy. If men accept the notion that reason is not valid, what is to guide them and how are they to live?

    Obviously, they will seek to join some group—any group—which claims the ability to lead them and to provide some sort of knowledge acquired by some sort of unspecified means. If men accept the notion that the individual is helpless, intellectually and morally, that he has no mind and no rights, that he is nothing, but the group is all, and his only moral significance lies in selfless service to the group—they will be pulled obediently to join a group. But which group? Well, if you believe that you have no mind and no moral value, you cannot have the confidence to make choices—so the only thing for you to do is to join an unchosen group, the group into which you were born, the group to which you were predestined to belong by the sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient power of your body chemistry.

    This, of course, is racism. But if your group is small enough, it will not be called “racism”: it will be called “ethnicity.”

  12. 113

    Brian

    @ Tom Cooper , Smorgasbord
    Dividing people by race and class is the tool the Left has chosen to break our society. At their core they care not one wit for the fratricidal violence in the black community. That Zimmerman is not black is all that they need to attack their target group; white, christian, conservative supporters of the rule of law and the 2nd Amndt. There is always a disconnect that frankly I don’t believe anyone with a spiritual, reasoned, mature and responsible base can readily grasp because it is wrapped in the entitlement mindset and thus alien to the majority. It is the all consuming argument of the left and their client groups to claim they are negatively stereotyped and profiled while continuously reinforcing those stereotypes in their culture. That foolishness is the reason you have elected officials wearing hoodies in the houses of congress. The fact that hoodies are used to hide facial features and provide a way to cover the hand and avoid leaving fingerprints on steering wheels or crime scenes and thus make them a tool that criminals have unlimited access to is of no concern. That same disconnect applies to the battle flag of the CSA. Because the flag represents a negative to blacks its use is protested. That it represents the valor and sacrifice of life made my and many of the ancestors of others is a denial of our heritage.
    Those are wedge issues driven by people like the black media members in Florida who pushed this story to the “civil rights” lawyers who took this case nationwide to put pressure on a local police dept. and states attorney to provide them with the outcome they desire. That makes “Justice for Trayvon” injustice for all.

  13. 114

    Smorgasbord

    @Brian: #13
    I use an expression I coined, “I don’t judge a person by their outside. I judge them by their inside. I can adjust to their outside, but I can’t adjust to some people’s insides.”

    In cases like this I ALWAYS wait until I have enough facts to make a decision. I have been wrong so many times in my life, and I HATE to be wrong. One nice thing about not stating what I think about a subject is that I will never have to admit that I was wrong about it. It seems like about half the people on FA will have to admit they were wrong on this subject EVENTUALLY.

  14. 118

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Smorgasbord, you are prudent as usual, I bet like MR ZIMMERMAN DID, YOU WOULD BE WOUNDED BEFORE SHOOTING, that’s how kind you are and you might carry the scars for life,
    like MR ZIMMERMAN WILL CARRY THE SCARS INSIDE AND OUT.
    THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE THAT WEAKNESS TO GIVE A CHANCE TO THEIR OPPONENT,
    WHICH ARE TOO STUPID AND CALL THEM WEAK, UNTIL THE GIANT AWAKE WHEN WOUNDED,
    BYE

  15. 119

    Brian

    @ Smorgasbord
    That belief is one all should share . Being raised in the South I was exposed to negative social beliefs in a general sense but was taught that character and actions should matter above all. As an adult, coach, instructor, manager I always have held the belief that there is good in every soul and that all can be bettered if given the chance to learn, expand and succeed. Watching people’s confidence grow with their proficiency is a great thing. There are always going to be some who are dumber than a sack of hammers, who don’t want or don’t care to improve themselves. You can lead them but you can’t think for them. It would be easy to stereotype me as any angry old redneck . What I meant and should have done a better job with is the idea that if you are going to reinforce a subculture/lifestyle that normalizes a lawless,misogynist, racist world view that is corrosive to the entire black community, you shouldn’t expect that culture to be ignored by the rest of us.You can’t ignore that culture when its beating your head into a sidewalk. It is hard to be exceptional if you won’t throw off the negatives and it seems that institutionalized negatives may never come off.

  16. 120

    Smorgasbord

    @ilovebeeswarzone: #18
    A person never knows what they will do in any situation until that situation happens. I have never been in a fight, and don’t know how to fight. I am better at flight. I just realized one letter made the difference between fight and flight.

    If I had a gun on me, I probably would have pulled it out as soon as the person started coming towards me. My son took police training in a technical school, and the standard teaching is that you can shoot a person, and even if they aren wounded severely, they can still go about 21 feet before they can’t go any more.

  17. 121

    Smorgasbord

    @Brian: #19
    As long as some people can make a profit off of racism, it will always be there. One thing that would help is if the entertainment industry had all of the different races in most of their shows or movies, and have them getting along and accepting each other the way they are. The way it is now is you either have almost all white shows or almost all black shows. If I had my way, I would even have handicapped, little people, autistic, and anyone else that we don’t see much of in a positive way, getting along fine and only having disputes about non-race things. I have a fantasy world I want to live in.

  18. 123

    ilovebeeswarzone

    Smorgasbord
    hi,
    is it me or there is more blacks in public like FOX NEWS AND OTHER LIKE MOVIES AND COMMERCIAL AND OTHER NEWS PAPERS AND AUTHOR THAN ANYTIME BEFORE, SO THERE IS NO REASON FOR THE BLACK ELECTED TO CRY WOLF NOW, AND THEY DON’T SEEM TO STAY INFORM OF WHAT THE YOUTH WHICH IS NOT WELL TAKEN CARE, NOT WELL SUPERVISE GET AMONG GANGS WHICH LEAD THEM INTO BAD BEHAVIOR, THAT SHOULD BE THE MAIN GOAL FROM THE ELECTED TO CHECK THAT UP, AND THEY CAN INFLUENCE THE CHANGE OF BEHAVIOR BEFORE THE YOUNG DO THEIR FIRST CRIME,
    BEFORE THEY TAKE SIDE ON THE WRONG PERSON BECAUSE LIKE THEY SAY THE OTHER COLOR ARE NOT LIKE THEM, SO IT MEAN THEY ARE THE TRUE RACIST IN SOCIETY BY THEIR ACTION OF THIS TIME,

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