Along with 24 million others who aren’t valid any longer
The United States’ voter registration system is in chaos — about 24 million registrations are no longer valid and nearly 2 million dead people are still on voter rolls, according to a new report Tuesday.
Along with the one of every eight voter registrations that is not valid or has significant inaccuracies, there are 2.75 million people currently registered to vote in more than one state, the Pew Center on the States study found. And the millions of problematic registrations aren’t the only issue — researchers estimate at least 51 million eligible U.S. citizens aren’t registered to vote. That’s nearly one in four, or 24 percent of the eligible population.
Additionally, about 12 million records have incorrect addresses, meaning it’s unlikely any mailings can reach these voters, the research in the report shows.
Still, David Becker, director of Pew’s Election Initiatives, said that the center’s findings did not suggest any kind of voter fraud or voter suppression from these problems, but noted they do “underscore the need for an improved system.”
There also are more than 1.8 million deceased people who still have active registration on voter rolls, Pew found. And, Becker said, the outdated, inefficient systems currently in place are “not designed to keep up with deaths as they occur.”
But hey, voter ID’s are oppressive
The Obama Administration’s re-election mobilization continues: Witness Eric Holder’s attempt to play the race card and perhaps twist the law in a campaign against voter identification laws.
In the Attorney General’s telling, the movement in the states to require voters to show some ID is a revival of minority disenfranchisement a la Jim Crow. A growing number of minorities, he said in a speech last week, are now worried about “the same disparities, divisions and problems” that beset the country in 1965 and “many Americans, for the first time in their lives . . . now have reason to believe that we are failing to live up” to the promise of democracy for all.
If you haven’t heard about this national crisis, perhaps that’s because you don’t travel in Mr. Holder’s political circles. He is merely repeating the howls of groups like the NAACP and the George Soros-funded Brennan Center, which claim without evidence that voter ID laws hurt minorities.
The NAACP even petitioned the United Nations this month for a human-rights ruling on what President Benjamin Jealous called a “tidal wave of assaults on the right to vote.” He meant in America, not Cuba or North Korea. The American Civil Liberties Union has sued to challenge a voter ID law in Wisconsin.
If democrats put the same energy they expend whining about voter ID’s into actually procuring voter ID’s for those they are concerned for this wouldn’t be an issue.
Which tells you they want the issue over the solution.
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DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
Without voter fraud – the typical democrat would never win election in 85-90% of the districts in the US — in fact come to think of it – the fact they historically needed fraud in places like Chicago and Seattle proves they probably wouldn’t win in 95-98% of the districts — SOB’s
If they can’t buy their votes with our money, then they just use groups like Acorn to get dead voters and/or multiple votes by the same individual. That’s why I refer to them as damnocrats!
CHEATERS!
Best estimates suggest that the actual rate of voter fraud for national elections in the United States is somewhere around 0.0003%.
That rate is so tiny that it’s totally irrelevant to the outcome of elections.
The GOP and conservatives, convinced that they represent the thinking of a majority of Americans, apparently need some mechanism to rationalize why both elections and polls keep suggesting otherwise. The voter fraud meme is just the ticket.
They also need to have something handy to rationalize their current election strategies involving calculated voter suppression.
Hey, if they’re wondering about systematic election irregularities that are actually relevant to the upcoming presidential election, perhaps they need to take a really close look at what has been going on lately in some republican caucus and primary states. Take Maine, for example. It’s an open secret on the right and a joke on the left that votes simply weren’t included, aren’t going to be included, and would likely change the winner if they were.
150 of the 534 signatures the Obama campaign turned in for St. Joseph County, Indiana may have been forged.
The state chairman of Indiana’s Democratic Party resigned in Dec, 2011 as a result of this.
Obama needed 500 VALID signatures to even be on the ballot in Indiana.
In 1982, 100,000 votes cast in Chicago — 10 percent of the total — were fraudulent according to the U.S. attorney.
55 employees or associates of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) have been convicted of registration fraud in 11 states.
Of 1.3 million new registrations ACORN turned in in 2008, election officials rejected 400,000.
(Almost 1/4 of all their supposed new registrations.)
Weird FACT about Voter ID:
In Georgia, black voter turnout for the midterm election in 2006 was 42.9 percent. After Georgia passed photo ID, black turnout in the 2010 midterm rose to 50.4 percent. Black turnout also rose in Indiana and Mississippi after photo IDs were required.
I am not familiar with voting throughout the US.
I am familiar with voting in Baltimore, MD.
“Citizens” of Baltimore who live in vacant lots vote.
“Citizens” of Baltimore who live in car dealerships vote.
“Citizens of Baltimore who inhabit cemeteries vote.
You could look it up.
But Greg assures us that there are no irregularities.
Yeah.
Right.
You have to have a photo ID to 1) ride an airplane; 2) ride a train; 3) ride a bus; 4) cash a check; 5) buy alcohol; 6) buy cigarettes; 7) get a driver’s license; 8) travel abroad; 9) use a credit card; 10) write a check; 11) register for the SAT; 12) enroll in college; 13) apply for a job; the list goes on and on.
But for some reason Voter ID is restrictive.
Go figure.
Our list of those eligible to vote is worse than useless. Of course Democrats stuff ballot boxes. It is the only way that they can win.
Besides, who would cast ballots for those in nursing homes if it were not for Democrats?
Anecdotal evidence isn’t really evidence at all.
Jack Kelly is conflating registration issues with fraudulent voting. The two issues are not one in the same.
Where is the hard evidence that a statistically significant number of unqualified or non-existent voters have been a factor in the outcome of any U.S. national election? With all of the effort that’s been made to find some to make that case, there still isn’t any.
I am sitting here reading all this great stuff on here. I am impressed by the thoughtful input to the definition of the Constitution and it makes me proud to think I spent a career defending it from enemies within and without. Some where I think I read in it that individuals have a right to free speech. I am delighted to see the number of folks here exercising that option. One thing that always impressed me about the Constitution was that nowhere in it it did it say I have to vote. However, I always felt that if I was defending it I should at least use the privileges it afforded me. One of those privileges is the ability to vote for those whome I feel would do the best job of running the country. I can proudly say that I have voted in every election for national offices since 1962. I have voted for Democrats and I have voted for Republicans. I have not always had the candidate I supported win, but never have I held contempt for the individual who won. That includes Obama. I believe that this is a country that was found on the majority. As a result I have never thought fondly of those on the far right or the far left because they seem to willing to impose their thoughts on the majority without thought to the majority. Is this country perfect, no it isn’t but what makes it great is that those on the far right and left can say what they want and the rest of us have to put up with the noise. I would caution those who tend to be on the far extremes to be careful. Various notorious leaders have sprung up from the realms of far right and far left imposing their will on the masses with disastrous results. I find it better to listen to the reasonable folks and discuss it reasonably than to start loosing ones cool and making statements that are hard to defend. So I would like to encourage this exchange, but please remember if you are going to cite the constitution please respect the right of others to cite it as well. History is strewn with presidents who have abused power citing the Constitution and I am sure we have not seen the end of it.
I posted something witty and intelligent earlier, but it’s nowhere to be found. Wie Gehts? Que Pasa?
@Greg: You said:
Well that makes it okay, doesn’t it, Greg?
You know what they say in Chicago – “Vote early and vote often!”
As BHO rises in the polls and the friendly 4 nuke each other you guys are setting up for—-not the usual MSM is to blame—-wait—-“you fraudulently stole the election” Beautiful.
Kennedy stole the 1960 election from Nixon in the same way that Gore is trying to steal the 2000 election from Bush.
In the 1960 presidential race Richard M. Nixon lost by a hair to John F. Kennedy.
Two states with razor-thin margins for Kennedy could have swung the election to Nixon: Kennedy carried Texas by only 46,000 votes, and he carried Illinos by a mere 9,000 votes.
Illinois was then, and is now, dominated by Democratic machine politicians the kings of which are the Daley family of Chicago fame.
Democratic Campaign Chair, William Daley, is the son of the late Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley who was instrumental in “stealing” the 1960 election from Nixon. Bill Daley is also brother to the current Chicago Mayor, Richard Daley, Jr.
In the aftermath of 1960 virtual non-election, investigators were alarmed by the fact that on election eve the Republicans were leading in Illinois but Daley’s operatives were withholding the results of a large number of precincts for some worrisome reason.
Then, when Kennedy was just four electoral votes shy of winning the presidency, all of the missing Chicago precincts mysteriously reported at the same time, turning the tide in favor of Kennedy.
There were 68 million votes cast in the 1960 election. The margin between the Republicans and the Democrats (Nixon and Kennedy) was a trifling 113,000 (less than 2/10 of one percent!) in favor of Kennedy.
A subsequent investigation of vote fraud in Illinois and Texas revealed the following:
Fannin County, Texas had only 4,895 registered voters. BUT 6,138 votes were cast, 75% of which went to Kennedy.
Angelina County, Texas: In one precinct, only 86 people voted yet the final tally was 147 for Kennedy, 24 for Nixon.
But Texas refused to conduct a recount. The Texas Election Board consisted entirely of Democrats, and the Board certified John Kennedy the winner in Texas.
Illinois: News reporters witnessed so much voter fraud by the Democrats that the Chicago Tribune stated “the election of November 8 was characterized by such gross and palpable fraud as to justify the conclusion that [Nixon] was deprived of victory.” (As quoted by the Washington Post.)
The Republican National Committee filed a lawsuit challenging the Chicago results. Not coincidentally, the lawsuit was assigned to the courtroom of a judge known to be friendly to Daley and the Democratic party, Circuit Court Judge Thomas Kluczynski. After predictably dismissing the Republican suit, Kluczynski was rewarded by “President” John F. Kennedy with an appointment to the federal bench.
Earl Mazo was a reporter for the New York Herald Tribune in 1960. He investigated charges of Chicago voter fraud in the 1960 Kennedy / Nixon elections. Mazo found a cemetary in one Chicago precinct where the names on the head stones were registered voters who had actually voted!
Reporter Mazo also visited the Chicago address where 56 Kennedy voters listed their address. What he found was an abandoned, demolished house.
After numerous Democratic judges dismissed Republican charges of voter fraud, Kennedy was inaugurated.
Following Kennedy’s inauguration, the U.S. Department of Justice performed an inconclusive investigation into the accumulated evidence of voter fraud. The head of the DOJ was none other than U.S. Attorney General Bobby Kennedy, brother of you-know-who.
This summary is based on the story “Another Race to the Finish” by Peter Carlson, published in the Washington Post, 11/17/00, Page A01
[link http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A36425-2000Nov16?language=printer ]
http://www.adversity.net/FRAMES/Editorials/27_1960v2000_Kennedy.htm
Keyser Do you recall who was the Gov. of Fla. in the disputed 2000 election?The Party of Fla.’s Sec. of State?. The gate swings both ways on this.The 2004 election came down to less than 100,ooo disputed votes in one state; Ohio .
Moral is WIN BIG so there are no excuses.
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
Why is it that those of you on the left think that this primary is any different than any primary in the past?
Just look at the prior national election cycle where the left typically obsessed over race:
It wasn’t until June of ’08 that Hillary conceded to Obama, and pledged her delegates to his campaign. As of right now, it is February of the ’12 primaries, what is the rush?
Obama vs. Clinton was a pretty nasty primary fight, but that seems forgotten when present day talking heads begin to wax philosophically about the current GOP contenders.
@Richard Wheeler:
He isn’t rising in the polls genius. He’s gone down again.
@Greg:
See post number 4, moron.
Anticsrocks 3 words Hillary ain’t running.
HR The polls are pretty clear.If you believe Obama heading down it doesn’t suprise me lol
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
And that has what to do about my point that the current GOP primary battles are no worse than the ’08 Democrat primaries were?
Do you not understand or are you just being purposely obtuse?
Anticsrocks Just disregard my last. It’s late. Keep rockin Good night
@Greg: OK Greg, so if there are 180000000 US voters, .0003% means there are 540 fraudlent voters? There were more than that in one county in IN last election. There were more votes cast than there were registered voters. Maybe you should check with Media Matters to check your facts!
@Richard Wheeler: That is a moral? LOL
@Richard Wheeler:
All I did was link the article. If you wish to piss and moan about it, call the Chicago Trib, New York Herald Tribune or WAPO for reporting the fraud they discovered.
I do however remember the Chicago TV news stations showing copies of the voter sign-in sheets, and comparing those names to the headstones while filming in the cemetery.
As far as Florida goes, a recount was conducted by the Miami Herald and USA Today. Their findings concluded, Bush won, by 537 votes, as was reported by CNN. They also noted had the count been done by Al Gore standards, Bush would have received 1,665 more votes than Gore.
“If a recount of Florida’s disputed votes in last year’s close presidential election had been allowed to proceed by the U.S. Supreme Court, Republican George W. Bush still would have won the White House, two newspapers reported Wednesday.
The Miami Herald and USA Today conducted a comprehensive review of 64,248 “undercounted” ballots in Florida’s 67 counties that ended last month.
Their count showed that Bush’s razor-thin margin of 537 votes — certified in December by the Florida Secretary of State’s office — would have tripled to 1,655 votes if counted according to standards advocated by his Democratic rival, former Vice President Al Gore.”
http://articles.cnn.com/2001-04-04/politics/florida.recount.01_1_ballots-without-presidential-votes-undercounted-ballots-miami-herald-and-usa?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS
@Keyser Söze: That is all the left does is piss and moan when propaganda will not win the day over facts. Rich is good at that, Greg is much better.
@Randy:
Randy! …you say they are good at propaganda…I must disagree. In order to be good at something, one must create the platform of contention. All these two do, is pull the string of democrat talking points, hoping someone will listen.
Democrat talking points are like throwing shit at the wall and trying to wash it off…some of it will stick, but not all.
@Keyser Söze: But by making us respond to the stuff they spread on the wall, they feel good when we get tired of responding! LOL It is that wrestling in the mud with the pig, trying to make a point with the pig who loves the mud! (Actually coming from a farm, I know it is not all mud they love wallowing in!)
@Keyser Söze: I will reply to any comments you make tonight. I am off to try to become one of the 1%. No, I am not going to rob a bank, just make a real estate deal! It is for some swamp land in FL. I heard the Democrats were going to drain the swamps!
@Randy:
Because Lefty Lib’s are what you proclaim to be other than mud…it makes perfect sense for them to hide in it…think camouflage.
@Randy: @Randy:
I posted a link for you in the Fannie/Freddie article, as long as you are talking about buying property.
@Greg:
Registration fraud is the entry point and necessary precursor to voting fraud. If a dead person isn’t registered, no one can cast a vote in his or her name. If a snowbird isn’t registered in both NY and FL (or IL and AZ), then he or she can’t vote in both states. If felons are barred from the franchise, taking their names off the rolls keeps them from voting. Keeping people from registering at car dealerships, empty lots, parking garages, etc., ensures that fictitious votes aren’t cast. And Mickey Mouse is a resident of Disney World, not Madison, WI.
Several campaigns ago, there was a move in some colleges towns to have students register to vote there, rather than their home state. At least one student received a demand from his home state to repay a scholarship/grant which required him to remain a resident as long as he was receiving the grant. He (and his parents) couldn’t understand that registering to vote at his out of state college made him a resident of that state, and no longer eligible for the aid.
Pobrecito.
Note: edited by author to clarify potential ambiguity in state of college residence vs. state of home residence.
@Fox 2!:
A little known, or understood, aspect of the left’s adage “the ends justify the means” has them attempting disassociation between causes and effects, particularly when there appears to be a clear connection between a cause and effect. From the view of the left, coincidence happens all the time, and that is all it is. Greg, himself, has uttered a phrase previously here that, while being true on the surface, is used as an obfuscation in addressing debate points. That phrase? “Correlation does not imply causation.
However, when the number of coincidences add up at the rate, and total, that voting fraud does, the only conclusion one can make, assuming that one uses reason, is that registration fraud results in voting fraud.
John Galt,
I agree. Correlation (above some reasonable threshold, say, 0.5) is just that: If A happens, then B tends to happen. Until you hit a correlation coefficient of 1.00.
There is an ancient adage:
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.
I think we’re up to around six. Hundred.
My favorite If one person calls you an ass disregard him. If a number of people call you an ass buy a saddle.lol
Richard,
I shall give your comment all the consideration it deserves.
@Randy, #18:
The voter registration rolls are inflated across the entire United States for two primary reasons:
(1) People commonly move from one location to another without reporting their departure to the voter’s registration board they’ve left behind. Has anyone here ever called in to report such a departure?
(2) People die, and fail to report that also. States haven’t been very good about automatically providing death certificate data to their local voter’s registration offices.
Over time this has resulted in the sort of discrepancy that the 2008 News Buster article revolved around.
It’s fundamentally dishonest to suggest that such a discrepancy resulted from hoards Obama zombies filing bogus registrations, who then all went on to vote multiple times on election day so that Obama could take over the country. What we had were legitimate, highly energized voters who had had it up to here with a republican in the White House. We need look no further than that for an explanation.
The actual Marion County 2008 turnout was 381,759–somewhere over 50% of a count of Marion County voters that no one would even bother to question. That hardly proves that the dead were voting, or that people were casing multiple votes.
For what it’s worth, Marion County has since gotten its registration rolls tidied up. Refer to this article, which dates from October 4, 2011:
If Obama wins a second term in 2012, it won’t be any more because of voter fraud than it was in 2008. It will be because the GOP once again can’t seem to get it together to offer a majority of qualified American voters an acceptable alternative. And because a majority of Americans approve of Obama’s job performance.
BTW, I went in to renew my Indiana drivers license yesterday and will be getting one of the state’s new secure licenses. I had to present my certified birth certificate, proof of my identity, proof of my SSN, and proof of my current Indiana residency. This was loaded onto a state data base that cross references with Homeland Security. The resultant license should be adequate photo ID to allow me to vote in the coming election. It’s hard to get one of these documents if you’re dead or Mickey Mouse.
I’ve had to display photo ID and sign a registration list to vote in each of the last two elections in Indiana. No one should think from the News Buster article that voter fraud is or has been rampant in this state.
And we do count all of the votes that are cast here in both primary and general elections. Unlike some states.
Greg The G.O.P. rightfully dismayed at the performance to date of the 4 amigos are looking for as many possible excuses for their upcoming defeat as they can find. And when all else fails start name calling. Typically brilliant strategy.
@Greg: You said:
Well since you have anecdotal evidence, then voter fraud never, ever happens.
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
In the words of Ronald Reagan, “There you go again.” According to you, the GOP field is so weak that we have not coalesced behind one candidate yet. But as I reminded you, and as you totally ignored, in ’08 even your hero Obama had not been able to get all the Democratic voting base behind him until Hillary finally gave up in June of that year. I can only deduce that you felt back then that the reason the Dems didn’t have a clear front runner by February of that year was because the field was so weak as well.
To all of you, I can only suggest that you work the polls.
In my town we had a bus load of people show up to vote. Non registered. They were offered provisional ballots and went ballistic. Screamed about racism etc. Finally filled out provisional ballots.
A few years ago, a now ex-friend, boasted to me about how he and his wife changed the vote counts in the 1970’s when they worked the polls. Thought it was fun.
Work the polls.
Greg, It’ s obvious that you do not live in Maryland. Voter registration applications are all over the place, including DMV. Out drivers license requirements were so weak that anyone could get a license. We had an expose on one of the TV stations where they showed people buying SS cards at an outdoor flea market. $40 and you, too, could become a citizen. As one lady said, she deserved it because she had to walk across the border and it was a long, cold walk.
the applications are postcards that are mailed in without supporting documents.
Anticsrocks I disagree.Dems had 2 strong candidates who could beat Mac. After S.C. primary in Feb, BHO was frontrunner and built on lead in immediately ensuing Nev. and Maine caucus. Hillary fought from behind but never caught up. I believe Repubs. have 4 relatively weak candidates who currently trail BHO inRCP from 6% (Romney) to 11% (Gingrich) Long way to go but remember how long ago we first discussed this?
Do you think Newt can still win? He’s 3rd or 4th in upcoming Mi. and Az. On S.T. does he need a win in Ohio to stay in? Always interested in your analysis.
@Richard Wheeler: Let me get this straight, when your side has a hotly contested primary it is because the candidates are too strong. When the Republicans have a hotly contested primary it is because they are too weak.
Well gee, now that you’ve explained it to me I can see you are being totally unbiased…
My analysis is this: right now any of the top three GOP candidates could win it.
ANticsrocks And of course you’re entitled to your analysis. Enjoy the race.
Really? Did you say this with a straight face? Some 24 GOP controlled states are on the verge of massive voter disenfranchisement with laws to require voter ID or some form of photo ID (which they know very well many poor people just do not have) and disallowing using student IDs. And the only voter fraud in election in the past 10 years have been all Republicans. That includes the current GOP Primaries.
@Helene, #38:
A flea market Social Security card is worth about as much as the paper it is printed on. Less, actually, since a perfectly good blank bit piece of paper has now been ruined. These are the days of computer databases. Papers and cards are only as good as the electronic records that they front for.
I was offered an opportunity to register to vote at the BMV when I renewed my drivers license. Note the list of documents that I was required to provide before that offer was made. There was no need for that, of course. I’ve had the same paper voter’s registration card in my wallet for over 30 years. It’s a relic. What they want at the polls these days is an ID with data that matches what’s on a computer print of registered voters. You have to sign that by your printed name and address to get a ballot.
I don’t know about other states. I never thought of Indiana as being on the cutting edge of technology. Be that as it may, if you’re stopped by an Indiana cop, your drivers license and plate number will be run through a central database in less than a minute. I’ve got a feeling that false documents won’t be making a favorable impression. I’m also pretty sure that a flea-market Social Security number won’t get it in any Indiana BMV branch office.
If things are that bad in Delaware, somebody needs to catch up with the times. I certainly wouldn’t want to risk losing any important elections to republican voting fraud. After the recent funny business in Maine and Iowa caucuses and primaries, I agree that there’s some reason for concern. I might even fault the main stream media for failure to cover the stories.
@liberalchild: You said:
Yeah, those poor folks don’t even have IDs so that they can purchase their beer…no wait, they do.
Well, they are completely disenfranchised when they don’t have an ID to purchase their Sudafed..no wait, they do.
But they don’t even have a driver’s license, photo ID so that they can drive to work and back…oh wait, they do.
This tired old argument is as asinine as you are liberalchild and you are venturing out into the deep end of the pool. Time to put your waders back on and get back in the kiddie pool, the grown ups are talking.
Just stick with your strong suit and use the fact that an infant will grow up without his father, so that you can make cheap political points.
@Richard Wheeler: I’ll hand it to ya, RW. You are getting pretty good at completely ignoring an issue once you have been shown how wrong you are.
Anticsrocks I’ll bite.What’s got you so bothered other than the current state of the G.O.P.?
@Greg: Yes Greg, I will believe Media Matters! You are always good for a laugh! Is that where you got you .0003% figure. If there are 180,000,000 voters, then that means there are only 584 fraudlent voters. You ARE WAY OFF. COLORADO FOUND 15,000 IN THE LAST ELECTION AND ARE NOT DONE WITH THE STUDY YET
@anticsrocks: Rich, get a saddle!
@liberalmann: Must have been all of those dead republicans who voted for Kennedy and Clinton and Obama.
@Greg: I recall that IN just passed a voter registration law this past year that required photo ID as a result of the fraud in 2010.