Why aren’t we using Predators to kill the drug cartels in Mexico? [Reader Post]

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In March Janet Napolitano assured us that the US-Mexican border was safer than ever. This in spite of Barack Obama and Eric Holder willingly sending 2000 automatic weapons into the hands of the drug cartels south of the border.

Well, it turns out that the border is not so safe. The Mexican state of Chihuahua, which borders Texas and New Mexico, is in anarchy. The US-Mexican border is less safe than Afghanistan.

Organized crime-related deaths in one Mexican border state during the first nine months of 2011 exceed the number of Afghan civilians killed in roughly the same period in all of war-torn Afghanistan.

According to the Mexican government, from January through September 2011 2,276 deaths were recorded in the Mexican state of Chihuahua, which borders Texas and New Mexico.

A Nov. 2011 Congressional Research Service (CRS) report states that over nearly the same period – January through October 2011 – 2,177 civilians were killed in Afghanistan, where a U.S.-led war against the Taliban is underway. It did not provide a breakdown of responsibility for that period, but said that in 2010, 75 percent of civilian deaths were attributed to the Taliban and other “anti-government elements.”

Per capita, a person was at least nine times more likely to be murdered in Chihuahua last year than in Afghanistan. (Chihuahua has 3,406,465 inhabitants, according to Mexico’s 2010 census; the CIA World Factbook reports that in July 2011 the estimated population of Afghanistan was 29,835,392.)
According to the reported numbers, the drug-related murder rate was about 67 for every 100,000 inhabitants in Chihuahua last year, while in Afghanistan the civilian killing rate was an estimated seven for every 100,000 people living there.

There were more drug-related killings in Chihuahua than in any other Mexican state, according to the government figures. Chihuahua, the largest state in Mexico, includes Ciudad Juarez, a border city located across from El Paso, Texas. It is the deadliest city in Mexico and is considered one of the most dangerous places in the world.

According to the government tally, Juarez accounted for 1,206 (about 53 percent) of the 2,276 drug cartel-related murders in Chihuahua during the fist nine months of 2011.

The state capital, the city of Chihuahua, was also among the five deadliest cities in Mexico over that period, with 402 homicides reported.

The organized crime-related deaths in Mexico – officially referred to as homicides due to rivalry between delinquent organizations – include executions, deaths from encounters with authorities, direct aggression attacks, and killings stemming from violence between organized trafficking groups, according to the country’s government.

Its figures show that a total of 12,903 drug-related homicides took place across the country during the first nine months of 2011, taking Mexico’s drug-war death toll to 47,515 since President Felipe Calderon began a militarized crackdown on organized crime in December 2006.

Again comparing the Mexican and Afghanistan figures, the CRS report shows that 11,007 Afghan civilians were killed from 2007 through October 2011. That is about 80 percent fewer deaths than the 47,515 drug-related murders in Mexico over roughly the same period (December 2006 through September 2011).

Bungling by Obama and Holder has gotten two American agents killed so far.

Why aren’t we using drones to kill drug cartel members? The violence in Mexico is literally on our doorstep. It is spilling over into the United States, and it’s not new:

TUCSON — Sgt. David Azuelo stepped gingerly over the specks of blood on the floor, took note of the bullet hole through the bedroom skylight, raised an eyebrow at the lack of furniture in the ranch-style house and turned to his squad of detectives investigating one of the latest home invasions in this southern Arizona city.

A 21-year-old man had been pistol-whipped throughout the house, the gun discharging at one point, as the attackers demanded money, the victim reported. His wife had been bathing their 3-month-old son when the intruders arrived.

“At least they didn’t put the gun in the baby’s mouth like we’ve seen before,” Sergeant Azuelo said. That same afternoon this month, his squad was called to the scene of another home invasion, one involving the abduction of a 14-year-old boy.

This city, an hour’s drive north of the Mexican border, is coping with a wave of drug crime the police suspect is tied to the bloody battles between Mexico’s drug cartels and the efforts to stamp them out.

The violence continues

MCALLEN, Texas (AP) — A shooting that injured a sheriff’s deputy was the first indisputable case of spillover violence from the Mexican drug wars in Hidalgo County, the local sheriff said Monday.

Sheriff Lupe Trevino, who previously said there was no direct spillover violence in the Lower Rio Grande Valley, said the Sunday shootout erupted while one of his deputies investigated a reported kidnapping and drug deal.

“I have to say that with this particular incident, the way the witnesses and the information that we have gotten particularly in the federal system, this is the first recorded spillover violence event that we have experienced — and unfortunately got one of our deputies shot,” Trevino said.

One suspect was killed and two were wounded. In all, six people were taken into custody, including the alleged kidnapping victim, and are awaiting charges, the sheriff said.

The sheriff said a protective vest probably saved the life of Deputy Hugo Rodriguez, who was shot in the chest, abdomen and leg. He is recovering at a hospital.

Trevino said the reported kidnapping was a bid to recover marijuana stolen when the Gulf cartel’s reputed second-in-command, Samuel Flores Borrego, was killed in September.

“It started in Mexico, it had a violent confrontation in Mexico, that violent confrontation was spilled over here. This is the very first one that we can actually say, ‘Yes, here it is. It has happened,'” Trevino said.

The moron who occupies the post of Attorney General of the United States claims the violence in Mexico stems from the flow of illegal weapons into Mexico. His solution was to send 2000 more.

Which cartel controls which areas of Mexico appears to be known.

If we can find obscure terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan and blow them to kingdom come, why can’t we do the same to the very real danger right at our own door? Mexico is losing the battle. It’s time to do what they cannot. We have the technology and the ability. Obama is big on knocking off leaders of sovereign nations in the Middle East and Africa but is impotent when it comes to the threat next door. He’d rather disarm US citizens.

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Now Now! You can’t be expecting anything resembling common sense from the clowns in charge here.

Seriously, with this administration, it is fine if the Mexican army crosses our borders and does whatever. I’m sure however with Fox in Mexico crying about their sovereignty, this administration would use that as an excuse not to persue such a course. Legally, I’m not sure we could anyway. Could we do it? Damned right we could. Does anyone in government here have the balls (and that includes the entrenched Republican scum as well) to do something like this? NO!

And lets not forget. Prince Harry, Princess Nancy, President Bozo and the Democratic party and worse of all the Republican establishment are way to busy cowtowing to the illegal Mexican alien population here. After all, its more important to push illegal alien voting than it is enforce the laws of the land.

Finally, as not only the Fast and Furious scandal points out, but the D.C. political circus shows us time and again. Our elected leaders are so out of touch with the people, they are so into their own power lust and in fact are so involved in pushing their own lies and deceit so as to keep their power, lives be damned that the chance of them ever taking serious action is remote at best.

And while I’m on my soapbox here, lets not forget the during the Republican debate stuff as well as the majority of the election and for that matter political coverage of all kinds, illegal aliens and the drug cartel nightmare that has crossed more than once into our country has pretty much been out of sight and out of mind. The administration doesn’t give a damn as far as American lives down there and the establishment Republicans apparently don’t have the balls to even discuss it1

The Cartels aren’t the primary source of the violence.  That, according to the locals I know in Juarez and other border towns are the Zetas (a wannabe cartel composed of ex-Latin American special forces trained with our “war on drugs” money) and various street gangs who are into kidnapping, carjacking and extortion.  The Cartels are in the drug business, and the rampant violence, with it’s accompanying publicity and military presence is bad for their business.

The Cartels, are, according to some reputable people I know, actually hunting down the kidnap gangs and exterminating them.

The solution to the violence is; short term, elect an administration in Mexico that’s willing to go back to the old days, when the Cartels alternately owned administrations and the peace was kept, and long term, legalize and tax recreational drugs in the US.  The puritans amongst us, in their extra Constitutional zeal, are the ones who’ve driven up the profit margin of drugs to the point that many in the third world are more than willing to kill for their cut of the business.

Look at the clowns in the picture. Incompetano, we need more regulation Lisa Jackson, Immanuel, and Pinata, I think. The last one could be that useless Secretary of the Interior. These idiots have caused severe damage to your country.

Whats the latest policy? One illegal- one vote.

Ordinarily I look at posts like this and think; really? But since I have read reports about foreign troops and cartels moving across the border, I think under Article IV Section 4, congress should make a declaration and the executive should use any means to stop the invasions on the border States.

Remember how Prohibition worked out?

Why did anyone think it would work out any better this time?

There’s a co-dependent relationship between U.S. street gangs and Mexican drug cartels on one side, and the $15 billion per year War on Drugs infrastructure on the other.  You don’t have one without the other.

The prohibition mentality created and sustains the entire situation.

What? And take out future Democrat voters?

Heck, I think we should be using them in Filthadelphia.

“We’ve spotted a group of [redacted] males who appear to be waiting for a white target to attack and beat to death for laughs and their wallet and cellphone… request airstrike…”

[WHOOOOOOSHHHHHHH…..BOOOM!!!!]

“Area is clear — white folks can now walk on this block without being beaten to death by laughing savages.”

I can dream, can’t I?

aye

hi,

I never thought you would allow that to happen in CHIUAHUA

ON A SERIOUS NOTE, THOSE CRIMINALS INFILTRATE HERE, AND THEY ARE LET IN

BY THE BENEVOLENT GOVERNMENT, IN POWER AT THIS TIME,

NO WANDER YOU SEE THEM RUNNING IN,  THEY KNOW THEIR TIME WILL BE FINISH NEXT NOVEMBER ELECTION,

WITH THE CHANGE OF THE LEADERSHIP.

 

Taqiyyotomist

hi,

I just read of that men killed when hailing a taxi, this is terrible to have criminals in your town,

and no one to shoot them,  they sure would deserve it

bye

 

I suppose the obvious needs to be asked… since no one else has.

So, drj.. how does an unmanned predator drone tell the difference between one who is a drug cartel runner, and just an illegal immigrant?

Or do you think both are equal degenerates, and there is no difference whether you kill either of them via a drone missile?

The situation down here has been going south for over three decades now while all both parites can do about it is blame each other, make excuses, and tell any idiot who will listen that “Everything is under control! There is nothing for no-one to be concerned about”. Many of our state and federal prisons are controlled by mexican mob and cartel thugs and their gangs. The same for many city gangs as well. The drug business is alive and doing well, and has been. So is the forced prostitution of minors both boys and girls, and women in general, kidnappings and ransom, the general destruction of homes, businesses, and property on our side of the border. Drive down south on the back roads and you can bloody well see how well that damn border is being enforced. Our agents do an excellent job with what they have, but they don’t have near enough to stop the tide, and never have. And someone hit the nail on the head here on this thread when he said that no-one is going to do anything at all about it. Not until the stinking stuff really hits the fan so hard that not even the lame stream press, the democrats, and republicans will be able to ignore it any longer. You would think two American agents would be enough along with the rest of the murdered people. But No! Unfortunately that means alot of innocent Americans will have to die first.  A much bigger body count will be needed before anyone grows some backbone to stop it. And then we will hear the same thing we did after 9/11 “we had no idea! No warnnings at all! How could this be!” Same old story, different problem, same old solution from our same old professional politicians who keep getting voted in because they are “deemed electable” by those esteemed individuals who know so much better what we need than we the people do.

A predator drone strike?  That’d be demanding a physical military presence inside Mexican borders just to get transmission stations and relay systems up and running to predator pilot crews along with eyes and ears on the dirt to get intel to id targets and that’d be a political nightmare to commit to without Mexican Government approval with Military backing.  Mexico’s military, corrupt or not, would take American Military presence in its Soverign Air Space and soil as a direct threat even if it was intended to help relieve Mexico of any Cartel issues unless we seek permission by their Government (which would be never).  Ontop of that many of the Cartels are providing a perverted role of, “Protector” or Security force to Mexican citizens in districts that suffer from oppressive Government officals on the dime of rival cartels so attacking one Cartel alone would be smacking a Hornets nest of various problems.

Assault just one Cartel and we could see the forging of a Cartel Alliance to wage unrestrained warfare on American soil by such an Alliance that views the Geneva Convention as something to use as toliet paper.  Predator Drone Strikes might hit a high valued target, but reactionary responses to such hits on American soil would be utterly high on Civilian population.  Is this a good thing to have?

Let alone the UN would have a seizure with the news of American forces invading it’s southern Neighbor.  We’re already on the hated list by various Nations who would love to see a few of our Citizens and Soliders/Generals tried as War Criminals in the World Court.  This would be fuel to the fire, no matter how good the intentions are.

We would need the backing of, what little remains, of the uncorrupt legit leadership of Mexico to form a Military Alliance to commit even half of such a plan.  And the Mexican people aren’t exactly keen to another Nation just suddenly raining fire down on their cities and farms so such an Alliance with Mexico would be almost non-existant.  The recent DoJ bungle with Fast and Furious has already alienated Mexican Authorities to American attempts at fighting Cartels, which further prevents such co-operation between the two Nations.

The stronger more direct means to fight any sort of business is to remove the customer base’s ablity to purchase a product, be it a legal or illegal product.  Without the buyers in the US market, there would be little interest to supply the US market and they would go elsewhere to make a sell.  How to go about removing the buyers is a core moral issue in of itself and I dread to think of what types of solutions there could be done let alone the negative backlashes or attempts to circumvent such plans, let alone the issues of personal liberties that could be made.

@Mata

Why do you assume those are the targets?

 

The US military is already active in Mexico against the Cartels.

Ivan

hi,  sh sh that must be a secret I bet it is.

bye

@Mr. irons

What don’t we have for Mexico that we do have in Afganistan.?

Afghanistan is a different beast of nature than Mexico.  Where as Afghanistan is a nation composed Warlord bands and various Tribes formerly under Taliban rule that fought against the Soviets and now the USA, Mexico is a Federal Government with a Military armed with our own gear and trained in War Games along with us.   Where as Afghanistan is on another Contienent and its any warfighters agins the Sates trying to enter and attack would have a hard time, Mexican warfighters seeking to hit soft American Targets would have a far easier time using asymetrical warfare means to hit the US where it truly hurts, our Citizens in our own cities.  The Cartels have far reaching grasp all the way up to New York and New England.  We are already on a hated list with the offical Mexican Government prior to Fast and Furious and after that bungle they’re extremely cautious to even communicate within offical channels.  This is the 1910’s all over again for between the two Nations.  Suddenly raining down hell on suspect cartel locations would only bring the ire of the Mexican Authorities onto US forces and give them enough reason to take more aggressive pot shots at our Border agents as is.

mata: So, drj.. how does an unmanned predator drone tell the difference between one who is a drug cartel runner, and just an illegal immigrant?

drj: Why do you assume those are the targets?

Oh, I dunno… maybe because in your post you said:

Why aren’t we using drones to kill drug cartel members?

So I’ll ask the question again. Just how does an unmanned predator drone tell the difference between a drug cartel member and an illegal immigrant? And do you care if those killed aren’t cartel members at all?

One would think Pakistan taught many the lesson that drone bombing sovereign nations, without their expressed permission and cooperation, just ain’t a good idea. Most especially our neighbor and trade ally to the south.

@Mata

I was thinking more along the lines of the cartel leaders, similar to what is done in Afghanistan.

Hell of a game

@Mata

One would think Pakistan taught many the  lesson that drone bombing sovereign nations, without their expressed permission and cooperation, just ain’t a good idea.  Most especially our neighbor and trade ally to the south.

In the case of the cartels and violence, this is a geniune threat to the US and tis citizens. Mexico is losing the war.

 

Just think… If we had a drug policy like Malaysia…. we wouldn’t have a drug issue in America and a violence issue in Mexico…. oh and Barack Obama would have been executed years ago for his drug use.

Sounds remarkably like Obama wishing we were more like Red China.  It’s no wonder that young people, in particular, are repulsed by the social con wing of conservationism.  Yes, if only we had an even bigger, more intrusive government life would be so much easier eh?

If Mexico gave us permission to have intelliegnece services and drones in mexico, I’d be ok with it.

I was just reading at FOX NEWS, that STAFF SGT FATHER OF 3 CHILDREN , A PROUD MARINE SQUAD LEADER,

WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE ON TO HIS LIFE, BEING REMOVED OF CHARGES OF manslaughter after ordering his men to shoot at sight, when he saw one of his men being exploded,  blown apart,  by a bomb, he plead guilty of a lesser charge,

a minor dereliction of duty charges, and will have 3 months  and 2/3 rd forfeithure of pay and a rank demolition TO PRIVATE

when he gets his sentence, which I still find to harsh, because he was protecting his soldiers,

who do we think the enemies where doing in there, they said civilians where killed, so the civilians where innocent?  how are they so sure of it?

they help the enemies which are their own and a WAR IS A WAR FOR WHO EVER IS AROUND THE EXPLOSIFS,  SO THIS MARINE SHOULD STAY PROUD HE IS A WAR HERO, AND SHOULD GET A MEDAL OF VALOR, AND GET PROMOTED  FOR SHOWING  VALOR IN LINE OF COMBAT,

AND NO PUNISHMENT, SPECIALY FROM THOSE WHO WHERE NOT THERE ON THAT STAGE ON THAT TIME;   DOES civillians think the SOLDIERS HAVE FUN KILLING ENEMIES IN HELL COUNTRIES?, THEY BETTER SPIN AND APPRECIATE THOSE MIGHTY MILITARIES, WHICH REMAIN THE PROTECTORS OF AMERICA EVEN AFTER THE WARS, WHERE THEY BRING MEMORIES OF HORRORS TO STAY IN THEIR MINDS AS LONG AS THEY LIVED, AS OPPOSE TO  THE CIVILIANS ENJOYING  THEIR MERRY LIVES FREE OF THOSE MEMORIES.

Wait, do we have Predators in captivity? Are we even sure they’d cooperate?

http://www.hutchnews.com/Westernfront/wf-Bontrager-Gregory-H–6-19

Give cartels a ‘droning’

We have used Predator drones effectively to eradicate anti-American terrorists throughout the world. Maybe it’s time to target Mexican drug cartels in the same manner.
Give the Mexican government an ultimatum: Take care of business or the United States will solve the problem for you. Let drug cartel members, from top to bottom, look to the uncertain skies with dread.

GREGORY H. BONTRAGER

Gregory H. Bontrager
hi,
yes that would certainly start the cleaning up,
providing they close the border first, and deport the illegals,
so to leave the JOBS to the AMERICANS FIRST, INCLUDING THE MULTI THOUSANDS FELONS WHICH FOR MANY HAD MISDEMEANOR OFFENSE AND PAID FOR THEIR ERROR AND CANNOT FIND JOBS BECAUSE THEY ARE BRANDED ON ELECTRONIC MEMORY’S BANKS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE AMERICAN PURE BLOOD AND ROOTS.

cartels are invading the United States

Mexican drug cartels are invading the United States. These cartels have a propensity for violence beyond the imagination of most civilized people. Absolutely, without hesitation I would invade the airspace of Mexico and subject cartel members to the same fate as the Taliban and Al Qaeda. The Mexican government may be too weak to protect their citizens, but the United States is not. We have successfully neutralized terrorists thousands of miles from our boarders but somehow it’s out of bounds to carry out the same successful operations a stone’s throw across our own border? I think not, and you won’t think so either when these cartels do to us what they are doing to Mexico.

“Why aren’t we using Predators to kill the drug cartels in Mexico?”

Do you want a war with Mexico?

GREG
WELL THE UNITED STATES COULD USE THOSE DRONES WITHIN THEIR SIDES OF THE BORDER,
this is called self defense, I would advertise it all over the border so they can see it,
why not?

@Greg:

Do you want a war with Mexico?

A couple of things come immediately to mind.
1. You don’t mind a war with Pakistan?
2. Does the flood of drugs from Mexico constitute a war with the US? Doesn’t that constitute at least as great threat to this country as was Libya?

@MataHarley:

So I’ll ask the question again. Just how does an unmanned predator drone tell the difference between a drug cartel member and an illegal immigrant?

Different sides of the same coin, dispatch both of them.

Illegal aliens are crossing the border on foot and in vehicles and by doing so they are making the job of the drug-smuggler all the easier as perusing the illegals consumes valuable resources that would otherwise go to apprehending the drug-dealers.

It’s a war. Until the rest of you realize this and resolve yourselves to fight it as a war, instead of some “police action”, we won’t win it-and God knows we can’t afford to lose it.

@MataHarley:

Or do you think both are equal degenerates, and there is no difference whether you kill either of them via a drone missile?

And what is the problem with this?

Gary G. SWENCHONIS,
HI,
I just caught you here in JANUARY 2012?
AND what where you doing all this time?
do you know we are ON JUNE 24 , 2012 ?
ARE YOU TOO BUSY TO STOP BY AND COMMENT?
BYE

Predator drones do a good job telling friend from foe in Afghanistan and Pakistan why would it be any different in Mexico.
The short letter to the editor I wrote has nothing to do with illegal immigration it concerns violent drug cartels that are infiltrating the United States. Nobody wants war with Mexico but they have been unable or unwilling to eliminate these cartels. We have a God given right to defend ourselves from a threat greater than either Al Qaeda or the Taliban . If you can’t see that you are as blind as a bat.
Pro drug legalization elements have snooted into this argument and are irrelevant to the point of my letter, they are piggy backing off me to advance their own agenda.
This letter has nothing to do with race or immigration although as usual our left-wing friends attempt to obscure the issue by race-baiting. Once again check out this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJHuIQ11j4s&feature=related.

You said it better than anyone else has, Gregory. You are a patriot.

@drjohn:

1. You don’t mind a war with Pakistan?
2. Does the flood of drugs from Mexico constitute a war with the US? Doesn’t that constitute at least as great threat to this country as was Libya?

Excellent point, DR. J. Greg is happy as clam to blow the crap out of Pakistan, yet is outraged over Mexico!

Gregory H. Bontrager
you are correct, and that is a good idea to do the job while saving lives of AMERICANS,
are you sure that the drones could find the target the only drug cartel members and their location?
I suppose it would need searcher human on the ground or planes, to find them first and order the drones with the exact information required including profiles photo of faces of them each.
very interesting, the future might be closer to that kind of elimination, if that country
is willing to get that help, because it is out of control at this time and like you mention,
it touch the UNITED STATES IN A BIG WAY, AND OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE AMERICAS, SOUTH AND NORTH.
best to you and thank you for coming with this info,

STEVEN HAWTKIN, ON TELEVISION NOW,
electro magnetic wave has same distance than travel than speed of LIGHT
liGHT is an electro magnetic wave, the speed of liGHT is fix
wow, very complicated for my brain to comprehend, but I like him,
it sound possible
the event happen at the time depending where you are.
OUR ARE NOT THE ONLY UNIVERSE, THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE,

I’m hoping they can get the Airborne Laser’s targeting system sophisticated enough we can just death ray bad guys from 30,000 feet

Donald BLY
YES I like that one, it must have a sharp telescope ain’t it?
bye nice to have here,
and guess what, STEVEN HAWTKIN I JUST WATCH ON TV FOR THE FIRST TIME,
WAS REMINDING ME OF YOU BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING OF THE ROULLETE,
THE theory of the improbability, and I thought of you, and the theory worked on me because you came
at the precise time in the precise location of me,
uhm, uhm uhm, are we on to the QUAMTUM WORLD?
WEIRD HEY? THE THEORY OF STRINGS

@Ivan, #38:

1. You don’t mind a war with Pakistan?

You’re not talking about a war in Pakistan. You’re talking about a war on the North America continent. That’s high up on my list of Things To Be Avoided.

2. Does the flood of drugs from Mexico constitute a war with the US? Doesn’t that constitute at least as great threat to this country as was Libya?

I thought you understood how markets work. When you prohibit something that people are determined to have, prices become very high and it becomes highly profitable for organized crime to supply that commodity. You then have to cope with violent criminal organizations as well as with the social problems that came with the illegal commodity in the first place. U.S. government policy has created the Mexican drug cartels. They’re getting an estimated 60% of their income from marijuana smuggling. Decriminalization would quickly put an end to that.

I don’t know what Libya is supposed to have to do with this.

GREG
I don’t agree that USA HAS CREATE THE DRUG CARTEL,
NO ONE CREATE CRIMINALS, YOU ARE OR YOUR NOT, IT IS IN THE CORE OF THE INDIVIDUAL
to be attracted by crimes,
you can say that some AMERICANS ARE CONSUMER OF THE PRODUCT, BUT IT’S NOT THE WHOLE COUNTRY’S FAULT, those who consume are person with their own will to decide, until they get hook on it,
then they reach the no return road, and they get finally burn by their addiction, it is very sad,
but you cannot chain them to prevent it, when they have reach the no return ,

@Greg:

I thought you understood how markets work. When you prohibit something that people are determined to have, prices become very high and it becomes highly profitable for organized crime to supply that commodity. You then have to cope with violent criminal organizations as well as with the social problems that came with the illegal commodity in the first place. U.S. government policy has created the Mexican drug cartels. They’re getting an estimated 60% of their income from marijuana smuggling. Decriminalization would quickly put an end to that.

Murder is expensive too, Greg. All those lawyers and trials cost a fortune. Why not legalize murder and we’ll save a bundle, won’t we?

This is so typically liberal. Let’s not correct the illegal behavior, let’s legalize it. And it is why society spirals downward. Liberals would have us become Rome.

Donald Blye
hi,
your gadget would be a good weapon to also pulverize the EIDS ON WARZONE.
I am so surprise that nothing effective that I don’t know yet, has been created yet, after so many horrible deaths
AND INJURIES OF SOLDIERS at this time. I mean something light weight, probing deep in the ground,
sweeping the ground quicly , how about the gadget attach or taken out when not in use to a tank or vehicule all terrains,
with your laser beam on the gadget, and giving you an electronic reading where and when it locate the EIDS, WITH MORE INFOS, LIKE THE AMOUNT OF EXPLOSIF ECETERA, AND THE GADGET HAVING THE ABILITY TO TRIGGER ALL THE CLUSTER FROM A KNOWN DISTANCE
HAVING MAGNIFIED READING EYE, WELL WHAT EVER MORE OF NEEDED TO BECOME ON TOP OF THAT DEATH WEAPON, SO TO HAVE THE ENEMY JUDGE IT AS NO MORE EFFICIENT AND
OF NO MORE NECESSARY USE, BECAUSE NO MORE OFFENSIVE.
BYE

@Greg:

You’re talking about a war on the North America continent. That’s high up on my list of Things To Be Avoid

Apparently, you’d be willing to give up our sovereignty to avoid said war.

@Ivan: Does anyone seriously think Mexico would declare war on us for taking out badasses who have killed 30,000 Mexicans over the last few years, including many cops and newspeople?

@drjohn: DJ, Greg wants to protect the scum and not take them out.

Fuck em.
Literally.
They are dirt on two legs.
Less than worthless.
And, to their demise, not in line with The High Command.
They shall be executed. All.
Amen.