If Tim Tebow Did Not Exist, the Left Would Have to Create Him [Reader Post]

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A few months prior to the 2008 election my friend The Destroyer of Colons asked me, “When Bush is gone, who are liberals going to hate?” He was only half joking. “Not to worry,” I assured him with a smile, “liberals can always find someone to designate as an object of their hatred.”

When I was in high school the priest who was teaching our Senior year psychology class had us write an essay based on the quote, “If God did not exist man would have to create him.” This was many years ago, but I recall my conclusion being something to the effect of saying that given mankind’s emotional and psychological needs if God did not exist we would have to create some divine being to believe in to give our lives greater meaning.

This was actually a blog post I was kicking around last year, looking back on 2008 when the focus of the left’s anger was directed toward Sarah Palin. It was almost surreal watching the hateful delight they took in watching our press journalistically rape her family while these same “professionals” ignored trivial matters like the horrifically flawed economic policies or lack of experience and questionable past of one party’s actual presidential candidate. Personally I’m not a big Palin fan – I see her as someone with very real flaws to go with some very real accomplishments, but the way she enunciates just grates on me (sorry, that’s just me). Then again, at least I generally agree with the substance of what she’s saying and if her speaking manner is fingernails on a blackboard to me hearing her talk is probably a tabasco sauce enema to leftists. For that matter, the fact that the very mention of her name can send most leftists into a seething, purple-faced rage will always earn her a place in my heart. Not to mention this past summer’s bus tour when the same press who had so much fun dumpster diving through her and her family’s lives were now crying that she was treating them like paparazzi – that was a thing of beauty.

Getting back on topic, it seems that no matter what the time is, the left has to have someone as their focus as their anger. Even in those early days of the Obama presidency when all was right in the world their focus went toward Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck – reliable standbys. And then came the Tea Party. If you missed it the first time, check out my two part posting illustrating the left’s anger toward the Tea Party as told through the five stages of death and dying.

The left threw out every bit of hateful invective that they had in their arsenal. The Tea Party was labeled astroturfers, racists, seditionists, idiots, rubes, and terrorists. Their crowning slur came when none of these charges stuck and the left threw to the most disrespectful, malevolent smear they could find toward the Tea Party – they compared the Tea Party to leftists.

Another interesting case study in leftist anger is the comic strip Doonesbury. While I once enjoyed it as an actual comic, over the last decade it’s morphed into a sounding board for the angry and bitter leftist, Garry Trudeau. From 2000 – 2008 his range of topics could be summed up as:

  • Hatred for George Bush
  • Hatred for Fox News
  • Hatred for George Bush
  • Hatred for Schwarzenegger
  • Hatred for George Bush

And of course, during the 2008 presidential campaign Sarah Palin joined this crowd. Mix in some patronizing, if not outright disdain for the military, and that pretty much sums up every comic not involving the personal lives of the characters, although these themes are generally woven in as well. One would expect that with a president as spectacularly inept as President Obama, Trudeau would have a field day. So naturally his strips have become focused on hated for Palin, Donald Trump, the Tea Party, and of course sympathy for the OWSers and their distaste for… prosperity?

After following the progression of Bush-Chaney-Palin-Limbaugh- Beck-Tea Partiers-The Un-Romney of the Month, we find ourselves at Tim Tebow. For those of you unfamiliar Tim Tebow is a pro football player, and is currently the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. He has gained fame for his erratic style of play, leading his team to several improbable come-from behind wins. That made him famous in the sports world, but what took him beyond was his religion. To build on Dr. John’s analysis, Tebow became famous for combining his unusual talents with his spiritual beliefs. Tim Tebow is a devout Christian, and is quite public about it. “Tebowing”, the act of kneeling and bowing one’s head in prayer with fingertips on your forehead has become a national sensation in itself. He gained some notoriety for painting scripture verses in his eye black while playing college ball at the University of Florida. Tebow also caused a minor uproar during last year’s Super Bowl when he starred in an ad for a Pro-Life group, telling about how his mother had an at risk pregnancy where abortion was recommended, and how happy Tim Tebow and his mother were that she chose to have him. This created a bit of controversy, but no more than if a tasteful Pro-Choice ad had aired during the Super Bowl starring a famous female athlete. An example off of the top of my head would be if a top track star mentioned how getting pregnant in high school would have cost her a college scholarship and ensured a life in the impoverished place where she grew up. An ad like that would have gotten some criticism on the right, and would probably have blown over as quickly as Tebow’s ad did.

But then Tebow did the unforgivable – he became a famous Christian who is open about his faith. With the Denver Broncos’ poor play early on in the 2011 season Tim Tebow, who opened the season at #3 on the Broncos’ depth chart at Quarterback, was now the starter. And he started winning. And winning. And winning ugly. The team adjusted its offense to make the best use of Tebow’s athleticism and, let’s face it, terrible passing accuracy. Tebow had this strange habit of playing badly for three quarters and then pulling out an almost miraculous victory. I saw one person nickname Tebow “Uncle Miltie”, based on an NSFW-ish story about the late comedian Milton Berle that ends with the punch line, “just enough to win.”

The end of regular season’s performance (losses) by Tebow and the Broncos have bought Tebowmania back to Earth, but during his ascent and decline and once again ascent in his playoff win over the Steelers we’ve seen no shortage of venom from the left directed at this young man. David Schuster, the always reliably unhinged Bill Maher, even one of the more rational leftists in Bill Press all took their turns attacking Tebow. Heck, even The Nation, not exactly known as a sports publication, had to write several articles on the quarterback that the left loves to hate.

Why all of this hatred for someone who has done nothing wrong, or broken any laws? For that matter, while some may find his openness about his faith obnoxious, Tebow isn’t out trying to beat everyone he meets over the head with a Bible and preaching conversion. You know what else he isn’t doing? He’s not doing drugs. He’s not driving drunk. He’s not participating in dog fighting rings. He’s not bringing guns into nightclubs. He’s not fathering children out of wedlock to several different mothers. And he’s not murdering anyone. Granted, the matelote in each of the scenarios I just mentioned have gotten varying degrees of scorn for their actions, but none that were so ideologically centered. So why do leftists give the athletes in the categories I just mentioned a pass while directing so much venom at one man who most people would actually be happy to see their sister or daughter dating? It’s the same reason the left has so much hatred for the likes of Sarah Palin or the Tea Party.

They have to. Leftist policy just doesn’t work in the real world – look at Communism in Soviet Russia, Europe’s socialistic gradual death spiral (and that’s despite the US subsidizing their national defense) or or that matter, look no further than the White House. When Oregon was considering an Obamacare/Romneycare-esque health care mandate The Destroyer of Colons mused, “I hope that this bill passes, just so we can show leftists once and for all that government run health care doesn’t work.” I just shook my head and responded, “That won’t happen. Leftist policies never fail because they are bad ideas, only because greedy individuals refuse to throw enough money at their bad ideas.”

This is what leads to the Left’s permanent state of anger. When your bad ideas don’t work you can either reflect on them and learn from it, or you can cling to your bad ideas and be angry because nobody gets your genius. Without introspection as an option, a target must be found – hence the left’s continuous rotating figurehead as the object of their anger.

Even worse is how badly it is often misdirected. Look at the OWS’ers and their anger at… something. Granted, most of the movement is made up of Unionistas, career grievance mongers (Code Pink, ACORN, etc), students who have no idea what the real world is like, and criminals. These are all traditional Democrat-leaning groups, but at some point one would think that the Obama-rose-colored glasses have to come off and the realization has to set in that the president and Congress are the reason our economy is flagging. Maybe people who demonize profitability and threaten to punish the prosperity that leads to job creation are why companies are afraid to hire. On a personal level, maybe their facial piercings, lack of personal hygiene, and sense of entitlement are why nobody wants to hire them for any of the ever-scarcer job openings. Sorry, but the 12-16 years spent getting gold stars and being told you’re special for just showing up are over.

Again, rather than look at the causes of their unhappiness it is easier for the left to lash out in unthinking rage. The worst example that would actually be comical if it weren’t so disgusting was the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords. So blinded by their hatred for Sarah Palin were the leftists that they had to manufacture an excuse to pretend that she was somehow responsible for the shooting. To make matters worse, when she called them on their idiocy, they double downed on stupid and got even angrier at her simply for pointing out the error of their ways. And the sad part is the lefties started shrieking about how classless and stupid Palin was for doing so, when the place they should have been looking was the mirror.

This is not to say that all leftists are constantly out looking for someone to hate to fill the void in their lives. I understand that the tone of this post is a lot more accusatory than what I usually write but, as I dispel my own straw man a better question does come from it. Why does there always seem to be someone in the news who is the object of leftist anger, and why is it so viscous?

So where will Tebow go? Maybe he fizzles out by losing to the New England Patriots this weekend as badly as he did a few weeks ago, or maybe he goes on to win the Super Bowl.


"Only Tim Tebow can save us now!"

My favorite take on Tebow came in ESPN columnist DJ Gallo’s weekly satire of Peter King’s "Monday Morning Quarterback." In this week’s "The Hangover" Gallo speculates as to where Tebow may be in twelve years:

"Will a wholesome, handsome ex-football star who can draw the religious vote and appeal to the tens of millions of Oprah-loving pop psychologists win 51 percent of the vote in the 2024 presidential election? No, he will win 91 percent of the vote in the 2024 presidential election. The 9 percent who don’t vote for him will just be hard-core Raiders, Chargers, Chiefs, Alabama, LSU, Georgia and Ron Paul fans."

Tebow for President in 2024!

I’m kidding, of course. The only person to get Brother Bob’s coveted endorsement for president is none other than the great Stannis Baratheon.

But until then we have Tim Tebow.

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@Nan G: ah…again, you avoid answering my direct questions.

i’ll be blunt then. Bee made a point to defend Tebow’s Christian faith…and then demonstrated prejudice towards Muslims and their faith.

do you see no hypocrisy in that?

You pretend to be talking about REAL instances where people are prevented from exercising their religious freedoms.

maybe you “pretend” to support religious freedom…if only it’s of the Christian variety.

@C Andrew Scott:
You have yet to point up to one instance of a person being prevented from practicing their religious freedom to even weigh in on.

Don’t tell me you’re upset because a woman was ordered to take her hour break during Ramadan?
And, horror of horrors!, it was called a ”lunch or meal break!”
LOL!
The law required her boss to give her that hour long break.
She could call it whatever she wanted, but she had to take it.

@Nan G: thanks. i’m glad you can make a joke of it.

as for the woman and the “meal break”…i don’t know what your talking about or how that pertains to my questions. but i think i know where you’re going. you’re suggesting that the Left wants Tebow to “prevent” him from practicing his “religious freedom”. am i correct?

and if i am…you’re suggesting that by suggesting Tebow stop praying on the sidelines or wearing biblical verses on his eyeblack that his religious freedoms are somehow being violated. am i correct?

and if i am…they you would completely disagree with anyone trying to prevent a person of Islamic faith from practicing religious beliefs via the way they dress or where they worship? you wouldn’t be in favor of wanting to force them to assimilate, because a group of extremists have given their religion a bad name? am i correct?

you wouldn’t be in favor or hypocritical religious freedom, like Bee, would you?

Get off Tebow’s back #607:
“THE MUSLIMS SHOULD SHOW RESTRAINT AND DRESS LIKE THE MAIN STEAM AS TO RESPECT OTHER AMERICANS HAVING TO BE DENIED THEIR RIGHTS BECAUSE A FAKE MUSLIM WOMAN WANT TO BUILD A STORY TO INCITE AMERICA OF HAVING BEEN MISTREATED”

who exactly is “inciting America of mistreating Tebow?

ANDREW
ARE you starting the same shit on Nan?, you again put words in her mouth, like you just did for CHICAGO,
GET OF THE BAD HABIT, REPEATING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER WITH INSULTS TOO,
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT, IS IT FROM CHICAGO, YOUR HOME TOWN?
I’M SICK OF THAT ATTITUDE OF YOU’RE

@ilovebeeswarzone: i don’t recall putting words in anyone’s mouth, Bee? those were YOUR words.

and as for Chicago…go back and read. i wasn’t arguing against Nan.

regarding THIS thread…i simply asked her a question. a simply yes or no would suffice. i already know what your thoughts are on the subject.

and i don’t know what you mean about “insult”. you’ve called me a number of names. was it the word “hypocrite”? “bigot”? if it bothers you to be called one, maybe you shouldn’t be one.

Andrew
sorry for you, but you think you know, but you only assume that is what was said,
a very bad habit of
people who think they know it all. just like you.

@ilovebeeswarzone:

people who think they know it all. just like you.

ha! priceless. this place is full of people who “think they know it all” including you…and of course, sometimes me. but that doesn’t change what you yourself have said.

don’t defend Tebow’s religious freedoms and then discriminate against an entire religion’s in the same breathe. that’s my point.

ANDREW,
you can believe what you want to believe, . I don’t care,
stop leaving your spit around.

@ilovebeeswarzone:

you can believe what you want to believe

thank you, Bee. thank you.

you do the same.

ANDREW
HERE’S ONE, you insist that here is anti MUSLIM, because you want outsiders to think like you,
but you are the one stuck on the subject, and come back on and on to make the public perceive your words, I gave my opinion and never mention of hate, you said it because you want other to think so,
all you’re saying here is to incite, to assume because it’s your nefarious intent to damage this BLOG from the first time you came here, you are a bad dude
so let’s get it straight, opinion are the freedom of each one, and the right to speak has been you’re also, and you abused it outrageously
but you don’t like anyone here, don’t care for any CONSERVATIVES, YOU ARE A LIBS, TRYING TO EXPOSE THE CONSERVATIVES BY INSULTING THEM,
SO YOU ARE UNDER THE LIGHT AGAIN, AND NOBODY IS INTERESTED TO EXCHANGE INTELLIGENT COMMENTS WITH YOU, BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU REPRESENT THAT IS FALSE REPRESENTATION ON THIS BLOG FROM YOUR COMMENTS.ALL FALSE AND OUT TO NO GOOD. you hate TEBOW, YOU HATE THE CHRISTIANS, YOU HATE CONSEVATIVES, YOU HATE THE MILITARY, YOU PROTECT THE MUSLIMS WHO DON’T NEED PROTECTION FROM YOU, BECAUSE THEY ARE FREE IN AMERICA, BUT YOU ARE THE HATER OF ALL.
JUST SO YOU KNOW. you’re uncover

@ilovebeeswarzone:

you insist that here is anti MUSLIM, because you want outsiders to think like you

yes, i said there was some anti-Muslim rhetoric here (and i did point out you. would you like me to quote you again?), but not because i want others to think like me. because i don’t want people like YOU twisting what makes America such a great place. don’t dare step all over MY Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Religion by fabricating some “attack” on you or Tebow. you expressed your beliefs of Muslims. i heard you loud and clear.

you are the one stuck on the subject

funny. this is the SECOND thread about Tebow and how he (and either Christianity or the Right) is under “attack”. and it was YOU who was so caught up in your false victory to get to 300, 400, 500, 600.

i’ve discussed more than just my observation regarding your skewed version of “freedom” in MY country.

I gave my opinion and never mention of hate

you don’t have to use the word “hate” to express prejudice, Bee. you have been very successful of that. you gave your opinion of Muslims…sadly, a very ignorant one.

but you don’t like anyone here

not true. i actually enjoy and respect those who can have a civil conversation and actually “listen” to the other side.

NOBODY IS INTERESTED TO EXCHANGE INTELLIGENT COMMENTS WITH YOU

then let me ask you…why do you bother coming to this blog? so you can hang out bitch and moan about things YOU have NO control over? i come here to try and LEARN what makes people like YOU click and COMMUNICATE (thanks again to Bob for acknowledging that). i’ve been happy to see that some of the other threaders here can at least be respectful and decent, even if they disagree with me or think i’m batshit crazy. it still doesn’t change the fact that you HAVE expressed prejudice towards Muslims.

perhaps you ARE a good example of a what a “conservative” is (actually, i know you’re just an example of an extremist). i have faith that even conservatives aren’t so racist and ignorant as you.

you made many discriminating comments towards Muslims, while defending Tebow in the same breath. would you like to retract your previous statements and correct my understanding of your opinions of Islamic-Americans?

you are a bad dude

i’m not, Bee. you just want to believe i am. whatever helps you sleep at nite.

bon soir, madame!

Bees, you are wasting your time with CAS. CAS hates America and those that love it. CAS hates anyone who disagrees with their twisted views and considers them evil. CAS pretends to love America, but loves a version of it that the Founders never wanted and will visit suffering upon the masses. CAS justifies foaming at the mouth hatred against us while pretending to be a good person by projecting his/her bigotries onto us. In his/her eyes the Constitution is an obstacle to be overcome. CAS has nothing to offer other then rabid, unhinged hatred.
CAS is not a patriot, and for all intensive purposes not an American.

@Hard Right: and to think…i actually thought you, despite your extreme views, had some dignity. i absolutely adore the way you choose to speak for me.

and stop speaking for the Founders. they were wealthy, white slave owners.

CAS is not a patriot, and for all intensive purposes not an American.

and all the while you defend a bigoted Canadian.

keep trying.

Andrew
what do you mean by; DON’T TALK OF THE FOUNDERS WHERE THE WEALTHY WHITE SLAVES OWNER,
CAN YOU EXPAND ON IT/

ANDREW
YOU SAID DON’T DARE STEP ON MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OR MY RELIGION,
YOU HAD ALL THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH SINCE YOU CAME FIRST, WHAT did you do with it,
insult every one, , what is your religion?, how could I step on it, without knowing it,

Bees Washington,Jefferson ,Madison and Monroe all owned slaves. .Any American kid with a 2nd grade education knows this. Stick to Canadian history.
Hard Right #62 “intensive purposes” You speaking “bees” now?lol

Richard Wheeler,
sit down and study learn your amendments, nobody ask you to stand up and express yourself.

No liberals I know are bashing Tebow. We think he’s amazing. What I find obnoxious is this sudden surge of Broncos fans… Go Giants!

@ilovebeeswarzone:

sit down and study learn your amendments, nobody ask you to stand up and express yourself.

LMAO!

Semper Fi, Mr. Wheeler.

@Nan G:

Is Tebow-hatred just a diversion from REAL attempts by Obama to destroy religious liberty in the USA?

talk about conspiracy theorists??? the fact that you attempt to link Tebow to Obama is quite juvenile.

like i said before…i think all the hype about Tebow is fueled more from the Christian Right, who are scrambling to find reasons to attack those who support a secular American. i, personally, DO NOT CARE what religion you follow. but why is it YOU seem so concerned about what religion EVERYONE else follows. and now you want to vilify any “liberal” who dares question Tebow’s ability, which is NOT an attack on his faith.

C Andrew Scott
you said previously, you where badshit,
yes you are, I agree with you.

@ilovebeeswarzone: way to keep things “civil”, Bee. and if you’re going to try and quote me…at least get it right.

did you bother studying up on your American history?

C Andrew Scott
I will counter you with this;
CANADA IS ALSO IN AMERICA, we have our each other back, and to show you how the beliefs of each other hold, here is this;
OH CANADA, LAND OF THE ELDERS, YOU HEAD IS CROWNED WITH YOUR GLORIOUS PAST,
YOUR HISTORY IS AN ENDURANCE WHO CARRY THE CROSS, YOUR PEOPLE ,PROUD AND TALL
HOLD THE FREEDOM OF ALL, TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENS.
HOW ABOUT THAT? YOU COULD SWEAR, I”M TALKING ABOUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ALSO.

@ilovebeeswarzone: by your own definition, then…Mexico is “ALSO IN AMERICA”, but alas…it’s not.

i’m not sure what “CARRY THE CROSS” has to do with America…but i do like that “HOLD THE FREEDOM OF ALL” (especially the ALL part)

but wait??? isn’t Canada still governed as a parliamentary democracy? and also as a constitutional monarchy with Queen Elizabeth as its Head of State? (at least our American forefathers had the cajones to revolt).

C Andrew Scott
the CONSERVATIVES ARE AT THE HEAD OF GOVERNMENT,
AND they’r doing a good work at it,
how come YOU DON’T HAVE THE CONSERVATIVES IN THE PRESIDENT POSITION YET ?
WE’RE AHEAD OF YOU, BUT IT’S COMING SOON.

@ilovebeeswarzone:

WE’RE AHEAD OF YOU

are you happy with your publicly funded health care, Bee?

Hi Bees, Canadian “conservatives” are Massachussetts moderates, by American standards. Besides being strongly supportive of Canada’s national health care program (far to the Left of ObamaCare), Conservatives have taken abortion controls off the legislative table, and have touted the legality and acceptance of same gender marriage in official government tourism literature.

Cheers, – Larry W/HB

openid.aol.com/runnswim
hi, how’s your father by the way?
okay, are you trying to catcha me?, I’m not in GOVERNMENT DEBATES,
I KNOW THEY ARE DOING A GOOD JOB BEING FAIR AND JUST, BUT NOT BENDING TO IRRATIONAL GROUPS ON MANY DIFFERENT FORUMS TRYING TO CATCHA THEM, LIKE YOU DO NOW. THEY MORE FOCUSSING ON GETTING JOBS IN CANADA,
WHICH THEY PRIORITYSE,
WHERE AHEAD, REPEAT, HOW COME YOU DON’T HAVE CONSERVATIVES IN THE HIGH CHAIR, YET?
BYE

@ilovebeeswarzone: Bee, can you explain what you mean by “catcha”?

i’m pretty sure Larry was just making a valid point.

Hi Bees, Thanks for asking about my Dad. He’s doing just great, thanks. Now 98 years old, still swims nearly every day, and active in a whole lot of things, from stock trading to performing with a group of retirees who go around giving vocal concerts in convalescent homes.

I’m sorry for what came off as a cheap shot gotcha comment. That wasn’t my intent; I was only trying to make a point. I’m actually a huge admirer of the Canadian Conservative Party. I agree with virtually every one of their positions. There’s no doubt that, were I Canadian, I’d support the Conservatives over the New Democrats and Liberals. But the Republican Party in the USA is to the right of Canadian conservatives — too far to the right on many issues to accommodate my views.

– Larry W/HB

C Andrew Scott
I learn the word CATCHA IN BLOGS, meaning giving a negative argument to a positive winning argument,
like saying, geez that person is well dress, and some one will say, he’s got the worse tie to match it.
a catcha that is

@ilovebeeswarzone: i’ve never heard the term, nor do i understand your example. i also don’t see how it applies to Larry making a valid statement.

openid.aol.com/runnswim
thank you, your father is teaching us all a line of conduct for long life, even as he served in MILITARY ACTIVE TASKS, HARD ON A PERSON BESIDE PUTTING THEIR LIFE IN CONSTANT DANGERS,
YOU KNOW, I was half joking too on my catcha I should not resist it because I got to know
you have a tuff skin to resist being intimidated
bye

C Andrew Scott
don’t worry, I know LARRY FOR A LONG TIME MORE THAN YOU,
HE IS A SMART LIB, AND I LIKE HIM, BUT HE TEASE THE CONSERVATIVES AND I TAKE ADVANTAGE TO TEASE HIM IF HE GIVE ME A CHANCE ON IT. WHICH I CAN’T RESIST,

@ilovebeeswarzone:well, Bee…for what it’s worth…i like you too. i just don’t agree with some of your views.

i didn’t think he was “teasing” you…i thought he was clarifying something.

you still haven’t answered my question about your health care? are you happy with it? do you find it to be acceptable? successful?

C Andrew Scott
i don’t run to a doctor for any thing, or test or checkup, I’m healthy thank’s GOD, i feel it’s good for those in need, I don’t hear no problem because of not being in need of it. but I know some have the mentality to get examine every year and found healthy, and there is abuse of the system on both sides,
but it’s inevitable, and hard to pinpoint, the best part is it’s better to leave it to the STATES EACH TO FIX IT EASIER, then having to be monitor by big GOVERNMENT intruding in the freedom of people,
deciding life and death with money cost.
it’s enough burden for the one to be sick and arrive in hospital totally new environment to adapt or get for some brush of, by the staff which have no time to spend on difficult case which end up being tranquilize with medication as punishment for being to alive,

openid.aol.com/runnswim
you know that CONSERVATIVES are not REPUBLICANS, they just run elections with REPUBLICANS,
but they CONSERVATIVES ARE THEIR OWN SELF UNIQUE CORE VALUES, WHICH MAKE THEM GOOD IN
DEALING GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS, THEY ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE PEOPLE, MORE
BY GETTING THE MARKET ROLLING AND JOBS MAKING, TEACHING THE VALUES OF AMERICA’S FOUNDERS, WHICH HAVE PROVEN TO STAND TIME ITSELF,
BYE

@ilovebeeswarzone:

TEACHING THE VALUES OF AMERICA’S FOUNDERS

again, Bee…i question you truly understand the what those values were.

@ilovebeeswarzone: most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books.

“Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.”

~ Thomas Paine

“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”

~ James Madison, April 1, 1774

“As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”

~ John Adams, December 27, 1816

“The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.”

~ Thomas Jefferson, December 8, 1822

“Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”

~ George Washington, 1792

“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.”

~ Benjamin Franklin

so you might want to re-think your attempts to link “conservatives” with our Founding Fathers.

C Andrew Scott
why should I? they where talking about EXTREMIST in religion,
those who take irrational outrage if they are being contradict

and we know there are many of them in the WORLD WE LIVE IN,
THE FOUNDER WHERE WARNING OF THOSE DANGEROUS CHARACTER UNABLE TO CONTAIN THEMSELVES
AT THE LEAST ANSWER WHICH THEY DID NOT BELIEVE,
IT WAS NOT THE RELIGION, IT WAS THE MOB BEING LED TO VIOLENCE FOR WHO DID NOT BELONG,
and the FOUNDERS WHERE RIGHT ON. SMART THEY WHERE

@ilovebeeswarzone:

EXTREMIST in religion

thanks for the early birthday gift, Bee.

C Andrew Scott
no problem, I was thinking of your reaction on the subject previously,

@ilovebeeswarzone: gotta go! the game is about to start!

may both teams finish without injury and may the best team win.

(by the way…have i mentioned yet that i AM a Broncos fan?)

I may not be a Broncos fan, but I really dislike the Pats…. ugh…. this sucks.

Just curious, who does the Christian and God hating people and Liberals/Left “thank” for anything good in their lives?
Or, are they so arrogant as to believe there is not something greater then their earthly selves at work?

@FAITH7:wow. not just ignorant, but DUMB.

you assume that all Liberals and Leftists “hate” god. (i assume you believe all “Conservatives” are Christian).

ironic…again…are you here to defend Tebow’s faith, while making fun of someone else’s by calling them “arrogant”)? (maybe you’re just bitter after his dismal outing?)

i respect YOUR faith, “Faith7″…it’s sad you can’t respect anyone else’s.

CAS #89 Well researched. I am a Methodist and heading for Church. We are Christian pluralists believing there is good to be found in all religions. We believe it is about the journey rather than the destination. Dialogue not dogma.
Bronco fan. Sorry bout that.

I tend to lean towards the right, politically, but I find Tebow incredibly annoying. Open Christianity I have no issue with, but claiming God granted his victories is borderline heretical and hypocritical. (I sure don’t see him cursing God for his losses.) Also, the majority of my friends that are Tebow fans vote to the left of me. Left-leaning Fascism and Religion dovetail nicely and the right has no monopoly on churchy things.

Also, both sides create straw men and fictional whipping boys, so castigating the left for Tebow’s obnoxious behavior is silly.

ThatGuyDan
hi, good argument here,
but I think It’s okay to expose those small shots like MAYER, HAVING LOT’S OF ACCESS TO THE MEDIA,
along with other to spit wrongly on THAT YOUNG MAN DOING HIS THING, WHICH DOESN’ T HURT ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING, EXCEPT TO DRAW THE CROWD TO ADMIRATION FOR HIM TO HAVE THE GUTS TO PUBLICLY MAKE A STATEMENT THAT GOD IS HIS MASTER AND GIVE HIM THE POWER HE NEED TO LIVE EVERY DAY.
NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, AT A TIME WHEN THEY TRY TO SHUT THE WORD OF GOD ANYWHERE,
IN SCHOOLS ESPECIALLY,
BYE

Bees Agree with your #99.
He’s a good man but remains a mediocre Q.B. If Big Ben had not been hobbled Tebow would not have had to face that painful lesson yesterday.