Who Will Sarah Endorse?

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Interesting article from RCP about the possible endorsement from Sarah Palin and the effect it can have, especially in Iowa:

“Iowans spend a lot of time examining these candidates, and no Iowan is going to invest all of this time looking at the candidates and the issues and then let someone else make that decision for them,” said Cain’s Iowa consultant Steve Grubbs. “Having said that, there are certain endorsements that would certainly provide momentum.”

And Sarah’s would most certainly provide momentum. The article goes over the pro’s and con’s of each of the candidates and the author, Scott Conroy, believes it may be Newt:

…While Palin has characteristically kept her cards close to her chest, advisers suggest that the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee is likely to endorse before someone emerges as the inevitable nominee — and that Newt Gingrich appears to be best-positioned to secure her support.

“They speak very favorably of Newt and what they see as his credentials as compared to Perry and Romney,” one member of Palin’s inner circle said of the former Alaska governor and her husband, Todd, who has long served as her unofficial chief adviser.

Gingrich has been particularly effusive in expressing his admiration for Palin over the last few months, and she has returned the favor by heaping praise on the former House speaker.

“Newt Gingrich again, I think, did the best because he seems to be above a lot of the bickering that goes on,” Palin said on Fox News after a Republican debate in Las Vegas last month, adding that Gingrich would “clobber” President Obama in a general election debate.

It would be a strange endorsement but with the class of Republican candidates we have, he may very well be right.

He is “the establishment” which she rails against, rightly so, but compared to the other’s…what are her choices? If she endorses anyone it must be someone who can win. After going through the liberal media meat grinder Bachmann won’t get it. Cain may have had the lead to get her endorsement but his gaffes may be to much for her since we need someone who can clean the floor in any debate with “the won.”

Newt would, as Palin said, clobber Obama in any debate.

That is a important point.

So who does she have left? Romney or Newt.

Scott writes that Romney is fighting hard for her endorsement:

National front-runner Mitt Romney has praised Palin many times, and senior aides have effectively enforced an internal rule within the campaign: Speak no ill of Sarah Palin.

Behind the scenes, according to Palin aides, Romney has been among those who have most vigorously sought Palin’s endorsement, which could go a long way toward boosting his support with a largely skeptical conservative base.

But I don’t see it. If it came to that I believe she wouldn’t endorse anyone rather than endorse him.

So that leaves Newt.

Damn….where is our Reagan?

(Mr. PDS will comment in 3…2…1)

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She would be absolutely CORRECT to endorse Gingrich. He is far and away the best candidate that we have than can actually start governing from day one. I LOVE Gingrich and think he would make a fabulous president. He is the ANTI OBAMA, no doubt in my mind. GINGRICH 2012 to put America back on the right track. As far as a Reagan, he is the closest we have. VOTE GINGRICH.

I could see Sarah endorsing Bachmann for her fiscal responsibility, Santorum for his strong faith, Cain for his executive ability, or Newt for his knowledge of history and debating skills, but she’ll never endorse Romney.

Sarah’s endorsement could go either way. IF she endorses Newt it will help Newt more than hurt. IF she endorses Romney it’s going to hurt HER and it won’t help Romney. IF she endorses Cain or Bachmann, well it will help them in the short term but probably not enough to overcome the front runners.

For those of us who DO NOT WANT ROMNEY, A Sarah Palin endorsement of Newt or Perry would be welcome. I’m on the record all in so to speak that if we have anyone other than Newt we will have 4 more years of Obama. The reason is simple. Newt is the only one that can muster the kind of enthusiasm it’s going to take to overcome the idiocy of the liberal media machine. Romney’s already proved to be a weather vane candidate and Obamacare is OFF the table as a difference between O and Romney. That’s why the media wants Romney.

The best hope we have for removing Obama and beginning our recovery is Newt. And that alone is a sad effin statement. 3 years and the best we can do is Newt… sigh.

Curt: (Mr. PDS will comment in 3…2…1)

uh… which one? LOL

Overnight news broke that NATO had killed 28 Pakistani troops and that Pakistan’s payback was to CUT OFF the USA’s supply lines (all of them) to Afghanistan.

So, what will Obama do?
Keep giving Pakistan billions every year?

Sarah will look at what Republican candidates have said.
So, what have they said?

Texas Governor Rick Perry called Pakistan unworthy of U.S. aid because it had not done enough to help fight al Qaeda.
“To write a check to countries that are clearly not representing American interests is nonsensical,” said Perry.

Representative Michele Bachmann, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, called Perry “highly naive” and said the United States should demand more from a “violent and unstable” Pakistan with nuclear weapons.
She called it “a nation that lies, that does everything possible that you could imagine wrong. At the same time they do share intelligence data with us regarding al Qaeda.”

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney said U.S. aid to Islamabad could help “bring Pakistan into the 21st century, or the 20th century for that matter.”

The three pillars of Mr. Cain’s foreign-policy vision are defense, the economy and energy. “We must not make them [Pakistan] our friend. We must make them respect us. No matter who wins the presidency next year, we need a commander in chief who would rather command respect than submit an apology.”

Representative Michele Bachmann said she supported continuing foreign aid payments to Pakistan and used a new phrase — “too nuclear to fail” — in advocating a policy along the lines of, keep your friends close and your less-friendly friends closer.
“We need to demand more,” she said, adding that U.S. aid to Pakistan is commonly tied to intelligence gathering. “Whatever our action is, it must ultimately be about helping the United States and our sovereignty our safety and our security.”

Representative Ron Paul was isolationist:
“We must build our own nation,” he pleaded. He pointed out that the Taliban were simply fighting to repel foreign invaders, and said that our meddling is what provided inspiration and ammunition for Al Qaeda in the region.

Former governor John Huntsman
endorsed Obama’s policy on Afghanistan, saying that the killing of Osama bin Laden [in Pakistan] means the United States can bring its troops home. [I wonder if cutting off our troops supplies was part of his strategy?]

Many of these candidates have said foreign aid should be zero’ed out and then a country could prove what an ally it is to get some.
Pakistan would OWE us money under that criteria.

Was just reading about NATO’s inept and botched mission, Nan G. I guess I differ from you because I don’t see the problem as Pakistan. I see the problem of a war that, to gain the lib/prog goodhousekeeping stamp of approval, we had to wage thru NATO… who has been in control since the spiral in security in the summer of 2006.

Tell, me, has NATO ever waged a competent theatre of operations successfully? Thank heavens they refused to sign on in Iraq… we’d still be there and Zarqawi still alive, with those bozos in charge.

BTW, NATO botched another like this in Sept 2010, when they attacked Pakistan military thinking they were militants. They closed one avenue of supply routes for 10 days then. Now add increased drone attacks and casualties (without their tacit approval), the US conducting raids on Pakistan territory (without their tacit approval), publicly accusing Pakistan of being in cahoots with UBL post that raid, and more demonstrated NATO ineptitude as a pile on. We need Pakistan, and it behooves us to keep them as an ally. However with idiots at NATO, and an idiot in the WH – also invading Pakistan’s sovereign territory and making public accusations – I can’t blame them for being PO’ed. Neither NATO, nor this CiC, makes the US look good.

I will also point out that the US funds given to Pakistan to conduct their own GWOT still falls short of their costs, as this was documented back in the GWB days as well. They could save money if the US cut off the funds, and they simply stopped cooperating with the US and Af/PAK on their border regions. That, however, would not be good for the US.

To throw Pakistan overboard is no better than Obama throwing over leaders in Egypt, Yemen, Libya and Honduras. None will be perfect allies/friends as the culture is too wide. If you expect these Islamic cultural nations to behave as western allies, you will never have Islamic culture allies in any form.

I love how Newt and for that matter, Liz Cheney, disassemble and destroy left wing talking points. The left wing pundits are all scripted and rehearsed, and their agenda is left(pun) in tatters. If Newt can get Rubio or Alan West on board, its game over for the Rezco- Blago backer.

I don’t believe Sarah has the guts to endorse anyone until there’s a clear winner. Then she’ll jump onboard.

I agree with you, Mata H.
I was just pointing out how Sarah Palin’s viewpoint on Pakistan and Afghanistan aligns more with some candidates than with others.

President Asif Ali Zardari strongly condemned on Saturday the NATO helicopters’ attack on Pakistani troops in two Pakistan Army border posts and termed it a violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty.
Pakistan’s Daily News

Pakistan’s government has ordered the U.S. to “vacate” an air base used for suspected drone attacks, in retaliation for a NATO strike that allegedly killed two-dozen Pakistani soldiers.
The government urged the U.S. to leave the Shamsi Air Base within 15 days. The U.S. is suspected of using the facility in the past to launch armed drones and observation aircraft.

A short closing both of the country’s border crossings into landlocked Afghanistan may have little effect on the war effort, but could have deadly consequences.
During last year’s dispute, militants took advantage of the impasse to launch attacks against stranded or rerouted trucks carrying NATO supplies.

The checkpoints that were attacked had been recently set up and were intended to stop Pakistani Taliban militants holed up in Afghanistan from crossing the border and staging attacks, said two local government administrators.
The Pakistani military has blamed Pakistani Taliban militants and their allies for killing dozens of security forces in such cross-border attacks since the summer.
Pakistan has criticized Afghan and foreign forces for not doing enough to stop the attacks, which it says have originated from the eastern Afghan provinces of Kunar and Nuristan.
The U.S. has largely pulled out of these provinces, leaving the militants in effective control of many areas along the border.

The Pakistani ambassador to the U.S. resigned amid claims he engineered a memo to Washington asking for its help in reining in the military in exchange for a raft of pro-American policies.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/26/deadly-border-strike-inflames-tensions-between-us-pakistan/#ixzz1erEtafJZ

Seems like it is all very complicated.

You may think that Newt is the one but with all his past baggage he will never be able to beat O….

@MataHarley: Right on schedule at comment #8

Actually, anticsrocks, I was guessing that Curt had in mind the truly Palin deranged, Ivan… who’s been MIA here for awhile. Ah, blessed peace. LOL

True, looks like in his absence we have the pitch hitter…

Makes it hard to “miss” Ivan, eh anticsrocks? :0) Tho I suspect he “lurks”

Nan G.
so it’s PERRY, WHO WOULD send UN PACKING, AND CUT MANY GOODIES FROM HATERS OF AMERICA,AND KEEP THE MONEY FOR AMERICANS FIRST,
HE WOULD FACE THE OTHERS ANYTIME, WITH RESPECTFUL WORDS STRAIGHT LIKE AN ARROW. NOT BOW TO THEM. HE WOULD OPEN THE AMERICAN OIL, FOR BUSYNESS AND JOBS,
ALL THIS FASTER THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATES, AS SOON AS HE IS ELECTED, THE ACTION WOULD MOVE TO THE MANY TARGETS WITH HIS SUPER CREW READY AND WILLING
TO ACHIEVE IN THE TIME LIMIT NOT 3 YEARS AFTER,
WOW WE WOULD HEAR MANY BUZZ, PERRY AND HIS FAMILY
ARE ON A MISSION TO SAVE AMERICA FOR THE NEW GENERATION WHICH IS ALL OVER IN UNIVERSITY, IN SCHOOLS, IN A QUEST TO FIND WORK, AND WILL SOMEDAY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE WORKING SO HARD TO WIN,
THE GOVERNORS PERRY AND BREWER ALREADY HAVE CONFRONTED OBAMA, AND SHOWED RESOLVED
THEIR ENEMIES WILL TRY EVERYTHING TO STOP HIM FROM GETTING IN FRONT, LET US SURPRISE THEM,WHERE EVER THEY ARE, WHOM EVER THEY ARE, THIS IS THE PEOPLE JOB TO DECIDE
WHO WILL WIN, WHO WILL BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

@MataHarley: *sigh* Like a bad penny, he will always turn up. 😉

@ilovebeeswarzone: While Perry isn’t my first choice, or even my second, I could see and support any of the GOP candidates in the Oval Office except for Ron Paul or Jon Huntsman.
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anticsrocks
hi, while your now choice is it, it’s not engraved in stone
yet, many more days are bringing many more new thoughts,
yes, when I hear of what they are doing to the AIR FORCE, FORCING RETIREMENT, denying those of legitimate incomes
IS SO HORRID, that is another reason for me to see RICK PERRY who understand that unjust decision, IN THERE, FOR ANOTHER
STUPID DECISION TO FIX WHEN HE GET THE POSITION. that is with so many more of the same.
he will have to regress many of the regulations sign by OBAMA, which will be annulled;
simply because it’s anti AMERICAN, and sign by a questionable not proven citizen of AMERICA,
even now as we speak.
bye

@MataHarley:

Hi Mata! I’ve been busy with work. Palin, at this point, is irrelevant as a kingmaker. Her minions have found other candidates to support and that is a good thing.

Take care and good luck!

Ivan
hi,
can you tell who they support?
bye

@ilovebeeswarzone:

Hi bee!

I’m a semi-enthusiastic supporter of Cain. He’s the best of a bad bunch.

None of the Republicans, not to mention that idiot Obama, have a clue how bad our fiscal situation is.

What about you?

@MataHarley:

Actually, anticsrocks, I was guessing that Curt had in mind the truly Palin deranged, Ivan… who’s been MIA here for awhile. Ah, blessed peace. LOL

If that is true that he had me in mind when he wrote that, he is a very sad man.

Is Palin above reproach? I’ve said REPEATEDLY that I agree with her on most issues, hell I’ll even go as far to say 90% of the issues. My problem with her though is that she isn’t a strong candidate and brings a lot of baggage with her. What is so hard for anyone to digest this unassailable point? She is very, very polarizing-too polarizing in fact and she even saw that any run would be a futile gesture.

But that’s okay! If you can’t refute Ivan, engage in the ad hominem attacks! That’s the ticket! Don’t attack my arguments, attack me!

Sad that “conservatives” have degenerated into the left.

IVAN
on 20, that is why I like RICK PERRY,
I feel he is solid as a rock. and has bright ideas, bright supporter including his loving FAMILY,
AND he his disciplined enough to target many issues and have them fix, without fooling around
the solution, his age is perfect for the energy level which will be demanded of him, to oversee all the tasks,
relentlessly aiming at his goal to put AMERICANS WORKING as quickly as he want. he need all AMERICANS IN THAT QUEST TO HELP HIM RISE UP FROM HIS RANK NOW,
HE SO FAR DID NOT MAKE ANY MISTAKE COMPROMISING HIS ABILITY TO LEAD THIS GREAT NATION, and at this time, the most important time in the history of AMERICA, HIS LEADERSHIP IS NEEDED. THIS BECAUSE YOU ASK FOR MY POINT OF VIEW.
BYE
bye

@Ivan:

I’ve said REPEATEDLY that I agree with her on most issues

Really? You’ve said that? Repeatedly?

Hmmmm…

Cite some examples of what you’ve supposedly said “repeatedly”. Link them.

@Aye:

Cite some examples of what you’ve supposedly said “repeatedly”. Link them.

Sure, do a search and you’ll see where I continuously mention how I donated a cool grand to the McCain campaign due to his picking her as VP nominee.

You do the search, I never have been your house n***** and never will be.

@Ivan: We all know about your preoccupation with Aye, but let’s put that aside for now.

You said:

My problem with her though is that she isn’t a strong candidate and brings a lot of baggage with her.

If she is such a weak candidate then why does the lefty media AND you obsess over her? And baggage? What baggage would that be?

Maybe it was when she doubled state revenues

Or maybe it was when she backed down the oil companies and forced them to act on their drilling leases.

Or maybe it was when she had a 70% approval rating.

So what baggage would that be, Ivan?

No ad hominem attacks, just answering your comments.

She is very, very polarizing-too polarizing in fact and she even saw that any run would be a futile gesture.

Might I remind you that this is exactly what was said about Reagan in 1980?

Time magazine conducted a poll in 1980 that had Carter besting Reagan by as much as 25 percentage points, yet Reagan went on to a landslide victory. This even though he was labled an “amiable dunce,” accused of “botching” things, and generally unelectable in the run up to the general election.

@Ivan: You said:

You do the search, I never have been your house n***** and never will be.

First of all, YOU brought it up.

Secondly, using apostrophes doesn’t negate the repulsive, obscene comment you just made. IMHO you ought to be booted from FA for it.

@anticsrocks:

Poor Ivan… That racist vein of his runs really close to the surface.

This isn’t the first time he’s paraded his true colors through the pages of FA for everyone to see.

@Ivan:

Sure, do a search and you’ll see where I continuously mention how I donated a cool grand to the McCain campaign due to his picking her as VP nominee.

Ahh…the dancing has already begun, and spiced up with some racism too… That certainly didn’t take long.

Your original point was this:

I’ve said REPEATEDLY that I agree with her on most issues

Now you’re trying to move the goalposts by claiming that a supposed donation to the McCain campaign is the same as stating “REPEATEDLY” that you “agree with her [Palin] on most issues.”

Buzzer sounds. You lose.

We already knew that you were a lying, racist, misogynistic, pusillanimous pustule on the arse of humanity but thanks for providing us with another stellar example.

@Ivan: Is Palin above reproach? I’ve said REPEATEDLY that I agree with her on most issues, hell I’ll even go as far to say 90% of the issues. My problem with her though is that she isn’t a strong candidate and brings a lot of baggage with her. What is so hard for anyone to digest this unassailable point? She is very, very polarizing-too polarizing in fact and she even saw that any run would be a futile gesture.

But that’s okay! If you can’t refute Ivan, engage in the ad hominem attacks! That’s the ticket! Don’t attack my arguments, attack me!

Sad that “conservatives” have degenerated into the left.

LOL! You do tend to have a Jimi Hendrix view of life and grasp of language, Ivan… ala extremely bent. It would take some serious hallucinogens to equate my (not Curt) calling you truly Palin deranged with your own lowest of the low commentary, calling Aye the n-word (not so cleverly disguised). But then, we all know how hypersensitive you are.

But first, let’s go to the statement you make above, which you believe exonerates you of the oh so evil assault of being called Palin deranged. A little walk back in Ivan’s comment history INRE Palin…

Palin is a grifter

Or maybe this one? WTF cares what this grifter says?…..I care more about what Bachmann has to say than the half-governor.

Gotta love this one. Palin is an opportunist, not a true leader. … Sarah is first and foremost about Sarah, not the Republic.

Here’s another word of praise for Palin from Ivan… No, I think she is stupid because she says stupid things, just like Obama does. Palin unscriptted is as bad as Obama. … snip… I realized at that point she was just another pretty face from Wasila.

I bet Palin can spell better than you…. LOL

In that same vein, as the ever shallow populist Ivan fixates on looks, we can’t forget this one: Let’s face it, It’s Romney’s to lose because Palin is a flake. She doesn’t have the balls to do what it takes to win. She slid into the VP slot on her good-looks and that is about it.

Which all becomes extra funny because someone mentioned that Palin was “a hottie”, which got Mr. Populist in an uproar, saying And Palin is not a “hottie”. And don’t think for a minute she doesn’t dye her hair.

Schizoid much, Ivan? But of course, Ivan has proven he’s a misogynist with his comments to me, not to mention his vicious abuse of of the kindly Ms. Bees.

When asked by John Galt who he would support (since self-admitted populist Ivan doesn’t really like anyone except Buchanan… mostly because he doesn’t know as much about Buchanan as he thinks he does), Ivan said: Who is there to support? Palin (Guffaw), Romney? Perry? You’re kidding, right?

Yeah… that sounds like “90%” agreement to me. Guffaw… LOL Oh, but now we hear he’s for Mr. Cain.

Of course the Perry knock was an after thought, since earlier he said: While Perry isn’t my “ideal” candidate, he is better than Palin, Romney, etc.

I could go on, but I can say there is little more unhealthy for a body than to view every Ivan comment in a scroll down version. It’s quite amazing how one little man (whether in stature or brain power) can harbor so much hatred for everything. Quite revealing when you see everything one wrote in linear fashion. Ivan, I’ve always known you don’t contribute much of value. But dang, guy…. Amazing to see not only what a void you are, but how much pent up hatred you live with daily.

All I can say is, if this is the way Ivan thinks about those that he “agrees with on 90% of the issues” we’d all hate to see those you disagree with. Oh wait… you supposedly don’t agree with Obama or the Dems, but we rarely see a peep of criticism out of you for them. Instead you assail anyone who dares to criticize them without, like you, expressing equal hatred for the GOP. Oddly enough, I do that quite often, tho it escapes your ever not so clever mind.

It seems that Ivan’s approval of Palin, if he ever had it, was short lived. And of course, his criticism of her resigning as governor shows how stingily not adept his mind is, and his familiarity of current events. Example? He suggested the cash it was costing taxpayers for the battery of Alaskan complaints, and from her personally on the sideline civil lawsuits, was merely an “alibi” for her resignation. From the not-so-astute Ivan:

And you fell for the “Drained my famlies finances” crock-of-shit defense. Ever heard of a “Legal defense fund”???? The Clintons were masters at defending themselves with this perfectly legal vehicle. All Palin had to do-if she was innocent- was set up one of those and have all her lemmings donate their hard-earned cash to it.

It’s called “Hardball politics” and that is what one does in modern politics. Sorry, she’s either too unsophisticated to know about the LDF, thus excluding herself from consideration for the highest office in the nation, or she was guilty as the day is long on the summer solstice-or she wanted to cash in while she was red-hot.

Sigh… must get old being the guy constantly having to wipe the pie off your face, Ivan. Palin’s supporters – not Palin herself – did exactly that with the Alaska Trust Fund, “official legal fund” for Governor Palin.

The establishment of that fund – not originated by Palin herself – of course, brought another complaint from one of the regular complainants , Kim Chatman, abusing the system with her anti-Palin cronies. A State Personnel Board investigator said the use of the word “official” on it’s website wrongly implied it was endorsed by Palin in her role as governor. The LDF was set up to mirror John Kerry’s.

The fund had brought in about $390K before her resignation in July 2009. Except what had already been donated, or incurred for admin expenses, the cash was returned to the donors. Palin did not object. Nor was she slapped with a fine or penalty. Apparently not a monstrous ethics violation, but a point of law nitpik about the use of the word “official” on the website. Thus the birth of the new Sarah Palin Legal Defense Fund, as linked above.

It seems that it’s more difficult for sitting Governors to set up LDF. Especially when you have regulars bent on flooding the Alaska complaint system with every move you make. But then we have the Palin deranged here that think they know more about LDFs than Palin and her cadre of lawyers… and in fact didn’t apparently even know that route was attempted.

I’d say you have no honor, Ivan. But I think that’s a concept beyond your comprehension. And it always gives me a laugh to see you use the words “intellectual honesty”. Coming from you, an oxymoron at it’s best.

Oddly enough, this all stems from a simple one liner from Curt ending his post above that said:

(Mr. PDS will comment in 3…2…1)

Anticsrocks guessed that Mr. PDS would be Rich Wheeler. My money was on Ivan. Curt remained mum about who was in his mind when he penned that observation. Needless to say, both tend to go off the deep end whenever the name, Palin, is evoked.

Considering Ivan’s escalation into vitriol and spiral into indignant self-righteousness over the accurate observation of his intense Palin hatred…only a small example of which I’ve documented here… I’d say we have all had a glimpse into the limited abilities of Ivan’s focus and reading ability. And you owe Curt an apology, Ivan.

To all others… you know, we were enjoying a happy sojourn for a while there. My apologies for a simple comment, made in jest to Curt ending above, and re’awakening the spectre of hate that we know as Ivan. Mea culpa. Always suspected he lurked, but it was just so dang pleasant not be exposed to that much negativity and worthless diatribes for a while.

At the risk of hearing yet another repeat of his predictable B-side, tired victim sing-song – with the chorus paraphrased: you can’t refute the ideas, so you attack the man – I’d like to make this holiday suggestion to Ivan. Write Santa a heart felt letter, asking not only for a heart and a clue, but perhaps another brain cell to keep the single one you have now company.

While you’re at it, you might throw in the request for a dictionary….

Mata, no apology needed. I think Ivan would have oozed out of the gutter the second he saw an SP thread anyway.
I feel your post also further supports my belief that Ivan is a liberal pretending to be a “Conservative”. When someone is a phony, they have a hard time keeping track of their lies.

@MataHarley: Kudos to you, Mata. Ivan has been revealed for the slug that he is.

I can almost guaraantee that he will not answer my questions posed to him in comment #25.

HR, a “populist”, as Ivan has said he is several times, can swing both progressive or conservative ways, depending upon the specifics of the subject. Actually, the majority of us are generally a mix of some liberalism and conservatism in that aspect. Populists, IMHO, tend to be extreme in their swings.

Today most of them hang out in the Libertarian Party, or the Reform Party, founded by Perot after his 1992 POTUS election loss. Post ’92, Perot became virtually irrelevant, and what support he had pretty much dwindled away.

Since Perot’s founding of that party, they tried to lure Ron Paul away as a candidate. Didn’t work. Ron Paul does know a losing situation when he sees it. They did, however, end up with Jesse Ventura and Pat Buchanan tho. Buchanan’s disgust with the GOP… something many of us share… was the defining moment for his breakaway.

Of course even the populists in the Reform Party didn’t like anyone either – good fit for Ivan – so that split into yet another American Reform Party a couple of years later.

Then there are those who call themselves Progressive Populists, such as Dean Baker, Arianna Huffington, Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader.

Which ever left/right populist side Ivan lives on I would guess changes as often the second hand on the clock moves. I, for one, don’t care.