The Face of the New Libya, Pt II – Lies and proof of atrocities grow (Headline H/T DrJohn)

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Love and praise for Gaddafi's killer

To tag team Dr. John’s first documentation on the “face of the new Libya”, it seems more of the world is waking up that the new face may likely surpass the old face in ugliness and human rights violations.

It was just three days ago that Libyan rebel forces claimed they had captured Gadhafi’s son and heir-apparent, Saif al-Islam, alive. In the flurry of truly stupid “Libyan freedom fighters” videos, capturing their war crimes and disregard for what the west would consider freedom and justice on their various new media, most bloggers were already hitting the bandwith with tongue in cheek estimates, likening al-Islam’s anticipated lifespan in the hands of the rebels to that of a gnat.

But war crimes are not the only apparent face of the new Libya, as it turns out lying is another of their less than impressive traits. CBS News reports that not only is al-Islam alive, but fleeing Libya for parts unknown in Nigeria. This isn’t the first time that the rebels have put forth false testimony and propaganda of their progress, prematurely declaring victory more than once over the months and claiming custody when there was none.


UPDATE: H/T to Nan G. Saif al-Islam apparently feels that the new Libya justice will be none too fair as well, and is reportedly trying to broker a deal with the Int’l Criminal Courts for his surrender, and to be taken safely into custody. Meanwhile, NATO was hoping to pull out no later than Oct 31st, while the interim PM of the NTC, NTC, Mustafa Abdel Jalil, is requesting NATO firepower until the end of the year.


Not unlike the dictator, there are still questions about the events leading to the the capture of yet another of Gaddafi’s sons, Mutassim Gaddafi, just a little over a week ago. Mutassim’s fate eerily echoes that of his father’s when shown in a video first as alive, and smoking a cigarette in custody… then mysteriously is dead from bullet wounds to the abdomen and neck. The rebels were, again, busy with their cell phone videos.

But while westerners set aside their normal respect for rule of law and justice, gleefully rejoicing in a particularly bloody end, the arguments some of us have been making about this “new and improved” Libya looking suspiciously like (if not worse) than the old Libya, is gaining traction as more proof surfaces supporting the the Libyan rebels committed war atrocities.

This goes far beyond just Gaddafi, as mass graves with hundreds of bodes are excavated… the count approx 300 in one alone at this writing.. many with their hands bound behind their backs, executed.

Ali Tarhouni of the National Transitional Council excuses the rebels as young boys who had witnessed murders of family and friends, and praised their “self control”. Hey.. you can’t make this stuff up.

Another graveyard of over 575 is supposed to contain “mercenaries”… many also summarily executed.

This is, of course, the so called “freedom fighters” to whom the French openly supplied arms. The same group who, today, Hillary calls on the UN for war crimes investigations, but was also responsible for paving the way for the US to also supply arms. If America did, they sure aren’t disclosing that today.

Obama talks to Leno about Libya 10-25-11

This didn’t stop the non-stop campaigner-in-chief, Obama, from calling Libya “… a recipe for success” on Jay Leno. Instead, the POTUS seemed detached from the less than freedom like behavior of the vigilante mobs and their multiple executions in warfare.

“Not a single U.S. troop was on the ground,” he said. “Not a single U.S. troop was killed or injured, and that, I think, is a recipe for success in the future.”

Nudged by Leno in a notably sober first segment, Obama reflected on the meaning of Gadhafi’s death, a gruesome and chaotic demise recorded on cellphone video for all the world to see. The president argued that Gadhafi had had an opportunity to let Libya move on a path toward democracy peacefully.

“He wouldn’t do it,” Obama said. “And, obviously, you never like to see anybody come to the kind of end that he did, but I think it obviously sends a strong message around the world to dictators that people long to be free, and they need to respect the human rights and the universal aspirations of people.”

Now what unsuspecting Libyans are left with is vast groups of armed tribes, with an apparent distorted view of “freedom” and “justice”, who are at war with other tribes. The battle against the man who kept both the tribes, and the terrorists in the region, at bay is over. The new battle is which tribe will be the most well equipped with the largest arsenal to come out on top.

Libya’s Transition Council interim Prime Minister, Mahmoud Jibril, must know what’s coming because he’s bugging out… saying that “Libyans should be allowed to vote within eight months to elect a national council that would draft a new constitution and form an interim government.” But he’s not leaving power without declaring that the new Libya’s future would be founded on an Islamist tone.

As the Edmonton Sun points out, a new cycle of tribal culture and warfare awaits, and Jibril has neither the stomach or the weaponry to be battling the rebels, now armed to the hilt.

A few hours before the hunt for Gadhafi ended, Mahmoud Jibril, the head of NTC and acting as the temporary prime minister of Libya, announced he will be resigning soon.

Jibril’s explanation, though vague, indicated that the new Libya is headed into the uncharted waters of tribal rivalries and conflicts that were kept in check for 42 years by the now slain despot.

Jibril is a U.S.-trained economist and a technocrat with no stomach for the predictable conflict ahead, nor does he have the tribal resources of guns and money needed to wage this conflict.

It is also predictable that the eventual outcome of who eventually comes out on top in Tripoli will be those better armed, better organized and ideologically most resolute.

In other words, Islamists in Libya connected with the al-Qaida network of jihadists, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and funded by Saudi Arabs.

So who’s in charge for the long haul… assuming that tribal nation even makes it? Apparently those poor kids with stellar “self control”, wielding their weapons from the West. But fear not… now that Tunesia has falled to their Islamist party.. the first to win power since Hamas in 2006… I’m sure they’ll be happy to help.

Vietnam era Navy wife, indy/conservative, and an official California escapee now residing as a red speck in the sea of Oregon blue.

54 Responses to “The Face of the New Libya, Pt II – Lies and proof of atrocities grow (Headline H/T DrJohn)”

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    lay of my friends here, you have done more insults than any you could have receive,
    you cannot split yourself from those who surround you,
    or you stop your insults and discover how eazy it is to debate with respect, and you will never be attack by anyone. bye

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    @Ivan: I have come to a few conclusions about you, Ivanski:

    * it doesn’t take much to push your buttons

    * your entertainment value only slightly outweighs your annoyance factor

    * unfortunately your self-esteem is non-existent, for the only way you can make yourself feel better is by trying to denigrate others

    * either your emotional growth was stunted somewhere around the time you were in junior high, or you really are only 12 years old

    * you are a very slow learner, much like our current president

    * you suffer from the belief-bias effect in your political leanings and worldview

    * you have a very Eastern version of self construal

    and lastly,

    * this curious attachment you have with Mata greatly hinders any introspection you might otherwise have

    There you go, Ivan. Now you can either read this and give some thought to what I have said, or you can come back with more ad hominem attacks.

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